HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

[Gorgos]

If you stay on for several years there is no point in running a pct, chance of recovery would be minimal at best.

Yes but how about the effectiveness of hcg during that time?

[Back In Black]

Yes but how about the effectiveness of hcg during that time?

People on TRT take it permanently. There is some good advice in that section.

Please don't stay on cycle for years though else TRT is very much in your future

[MrFreshmaker]

People on TRT take it permanently. There is some good advice in that section. Please don't stay on cycle for years though else TRT is very much in your future

Hey BB.
First of all sorry for hijacking the thread,but I've a question.
You say don't stay too long on cycle cuz chances for recovery are small,but since i joined this forum,i didn't seen anyone saying that he FULLY recovered after first or second cycle,i even opened a thread about this question.Do you know anyone that fully recovered?

[Back In Black]

Hey BB.
First of all sorry for hijacking the thread,but I've a question.
You say don't stay too long on cycle cuz chances for recovery are small,but since i joined this forum,i didn't seen anyone saying that he FULLY recovered after first or second cycle,i even opened a thread about this question.Do you know anyone that fully recovered?

Personally no. But then most people don't get bloodwork. Even if people don't fully recover though it doesn't mean their new levels will be very low. But shut down for years, well......

[MrFreshmaker]

Personally no. But then most people don't get bloodwork. Even if people don't fully recover though it doesn't mean their new levels will be very low. But shut down for years, well......

For a whole year I've searched the web about this,and what I've found were only theories,or as you said,with lower levels,but none with full recovery! I guess if once you try it,there's no turning back to where you were before(concerning hormones)!

[edmondle]

Keep in mind a lot of the top doc's are encouraging daily low dose use of HCG. Ex: 100 IU's daily.

Hi KEL do u think 100iu ed is better than 250iuX3?

[TrIff]

Can I pin 250 ui e4d or will the total week dosage be to low (437ui)?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Can I pin 250 ui e4d or will the total week dosage be to low (437ui)?

That would be fine.

[kelkel]

Hi KEL do u think 100iu ed is better than 250iuX3?

Personally no but you'd have to try it and see if you feel a difference. I do know several guys who say they felt a difference.

[edmondle]

Personally no but you'd have to try it and see if you feel a difference. I do know several guys who say they felt a difference.

I'll try both way and see which one is better for me, thanks

[AR's King Silabolin]

What about sides? 1000 iu ew for 3 months without sides? HCG just talkes to the leydig cells and interfers with no other organs or reseptors?

[numbere]

What about sides? 1000 iu ew for 3 months without sides? HCG just talkes to the leydig cells and interfers with no other organs or reseptors?

Hcg does more than just keep leydig cells responsive.

Cytochrome p450 is a class of enzymes which are stimulated by LH (or hcg), and change cholesterol into other important hormones. Using hcg helps keep enzyme and hormonal pathways flowing.

This is why many report an increased sense of well being when adding hcg to their cycle.

[97viper]

A standard insulin syringe can hold 1 CC in volume. Each barrel will have markings in 1 unit increments up to 100. So each CC displays 100 unit markings.

Step 1: Amount of hCG units in a vial DIVIDED BY total CC's of solution added = Amount of hCG you will have per CC.
Step 1 example: 10,000 / 10 = 1,000

Step 2: Amount of hCG per CC (result of step 1) DIVIDED BY 100 (number of units on a slin pin) = amount of hCG per unit.
Step 2 example: 1,000 / 100 = 10

Step 3: Amount desired per injection DIVIDED BY amount of hCG per unit (result of step 2) = Number of units to draw from your mixed vial.
Step 3 example: 250 IU / 10 = 25 units. You would draw 25 units, or a quarter of a CC on a slin pin.

If i use a .5 cc syringe since that's what I have on hand, 250 IU will still be 25 units, correct? I ask because in step 2 if I divide by 50 which is what the .5 cc syringe holds rather than 100 used in the example, my final figure would be 12.5 units for 250 IU. U

[numbere]

If i use a .5 cc syringe since that's what I have on hand, 250 IU will still be 25 units, correct? I ask because in step 2 if I divide by 50 which is what the .5 cc syringe holds rather than 100 used in the example, my final figure would be 12.5 units for 250 IU. U

If you add 10 cc of solvent to 10,000 IU of hcg then you will have 250 IU/25 units.

Just because your pin only holds 0.5 cc does not change the amount of units per cc.

[LegionVon]

Should i run my AI. A little higher if using hCG on cycle?

[Paden5971]

Great post. I ordered mine a few days ago for my next cycle. I plan to mix my B12 with it. What is a good dose to start with?

[austinite]

Should i run my AI. A little higher if using hCG on cycle?

No.

Great post. I ordered mine a few days ago for my next cycle. I plan to mix my B12 with it. What is a good dose to start with?

Doses listed in the article will do just fine.

[Nine91]

Quick question. I will have some open hcg left over from a cycle. Been doing 500iu per week. Can I blast more near the end to get more use out of it? Would that benefit me at all or just do damage? Something like 1000iu for a few weeks or more? Thanks

[600@50]

No need to increase the weekly dose. 250iu twice a week is plenty.

[austinite]

No need to increase the weekly dose. 250iu twice a week is plenty.

I agree with 600@50 above.

[blackj]

Hi
Thanks for the great info!

Is it OK to use hcg for long times ? For 12 weeks cycles or more should we use hcg for the entire cycle?

Thanks in advance

[Kyle1337]

Hi
Thanks for the great info!

Is it OK to use hcg for long times ? For 12 weeks cycles or more should we use hcg for the entire cycle?

Thanks in advance

Absolutely. In fact, you should run it longer than 12 weeks if doing a 12 week cycle. If you do any cycle, it'll be longer than the actual time you're using. Run HCG 3 days prior to PCT.

[blackj]

thanks for your answer!

so there's no desensitization possibility for long usage of hcg !?

hCG can be used for 90 days after reconstituting it. After 90 days, it loses approximately 10% potency per month. You can leave hCG at room temperature for about a week with negligible potency loss. No loss if it's in the early stages after mixing. After 90 days, you would simply increase dose to compensate for the 10% loss per month. So for those of you who travel, do not be afraid to take your hCG. No need to go through the extra measure of keeping it cool.

i didnt get the bolded part ! it states that we can leave reconstituted hcg at room temperature for a week ? or before reconstitution !?

[numbere]

thanks for your answer!

so there's no desensitization possibility for long usage of hcg !?

i didnt get the bolded part ! it states that we can leave reconstituted hcg at room temperature for a week ? or before reconstitution !?

Leydig cell desensitization will only occur from large amounts of hcg or long AAS cycles without hcg.

Hcg will suffer and insignificant loss in effectiveness if left at room temperature for a week after being reconstituted with bacteriostatic water.

[ocman]

Ok, so I forgot to put the hCG back in the refrigerator and it sat in a box in the closet for 3 days, is it safe to use or should i toss it?

[charger69]

Ok, so I forgot to put the hCG back in the refrigerator and it sat in a box in the closet for 3 days, is it safe to use or should i toss it?

Was it mixed with bac water?
I do not think that safety is at risk with bac water however the "potency" will not last as long. The refrigeration is to preserve the mix as long as possible, however I am not an expert.

[kelkel]

Ok, so I forgot to put the hCG back in the refrigerator and it sat in a box in the closet for 3 days, is it safe to use or should i toss it?

It's absolutely fine. Zero worries.

[ocman]

It's absolutely fine. Zero worries.

sweet!

yes, it was mixed with bac water.

[ocman]

It's absolutely fine. Zero worries.

ha,btw, where did you get those ****ing biceps at sears (2 for 1 special)...lol

[X-BODY]

Forgive me for my bad English and if this was already asked.
I will go new cycle(12 weeks) after long break and i have 5000iu Pregnyl by MSD Pharma but i will need a 2000iu/month. (250+250=500iu/week)
If I mix 5000 iu hcg with 10 ml bac water, i will have 500iu/ml x10 times(2,5 months) dose of hcg. But mixed hcg's effectiveness is up to 4 weeks only right??? This mean, should i throw out the remaining hcg end of the month?? or what? I m confused can't calculate

[Bio-Active]

Forgive me for my bad English and if this was already asked. I will go new cycle(12 weeks) after long break and i have 5000iu Pregnyl by MSD Pharma but i will need a 2000iu/month. (250+250=500iu/week) If I mix 5000 iu hcg with 10 ml bac water, i will have 500iu/ml x10 times(2,5 months) dose of hcg. But mixed hcg's effectiveness is up to 4 weeks only right??? This mean, should i throw out the remaining hcg end of the month?? or what? I m confused can't calculate

no if you store it properly it will not start to loose potency for 90 days

[X-BODY]

no if you store it properly it will not start to loose potency for 90 days

Is this means only 1 ampoule(5000) hcg + 10 ml bac water mix is enough for my entire 12 weeks cycle in total right???? NOTE: i will store the mixture in refrigerator between 4-5 C i think its ok?
Sorry for my bad English again

[Bio-Active]

Is this means i can go 1 ampoule(5000) hcg + 10 ml bac water mix is enough for my entire 12 weeks cycle in total right???? NOTE: i will store the mixture in refrigerator between 4-5 C i think its ok? Sorry for my bad English again

store it in the fridge and yes it will not loose potency for 90 days

[boofhead187]

Damn, I didn't realize you needed a 1ml syringe and 30g needles. I only got my 3ml syringes and 25g needles from my Test injection.
I was just going to inject hCG into my other quad tomorrow, can I use those until I get some 1ml and 30g needles ?

[Xv1d]

Damn, I didn't realize you needed a 1ml syringe and 30g needles. I only got my 3ml syringes and 25g needles from my Test injection.
I was just going to inject hCG into my other quad tomorrow, can I use those until I get some 1ml and 30g needles ?

It's recommended but not nessecary. Pinning HCG IM is fine.

[kelkel]

Damn, I didn't realize you needed a 1ml syringe and 30g needles. I only got my 3ml syringes and 25g needles from my Test injection.
I was just going to inject hCG into my other quad tomorrow, can I use those until I get some 1ml and 30g needles ?

Just put it in the same syringe as your test.

[MILO6]

Hi,

40 years old
male
6-1
197 lbs
BF 17%

firt time cycle.

I´m starting my 6th week of a 7 week cycle with a few mistakes. as i just notices with this page.
cypionate test (250 mg) i started 0.5 cc and gradually increased till 1.5cc, and then decreasing to 0.5 cc again. Every 5 days
And using oxymetholone 50 mg ED
I have on hands nolvadex 20 mg, but never felt any gyno symptoms

my concern is: i never ran HCG, this is my last week. Should i still get it? or just do the PCT with nolvadex?
i understood, correct me if not, that if you didnt take HCG ON cycle, it wouldnt be correct to use it on PCT?

thanks

[MILO6]

It's absolutely fine. Zero worries.

HEY KELKEL: Im concerned about HCG:

40 years old
male
6-1
197 lbs
BF 17%

first time cycle.

I´m starting my 6th week of a 7 week cycle with a few mistakes. as i just noticed with this page.
cypionate test (250 mg) i started 0.5 cc and gradually increased till 1.5cc, and then decreasing to 0.5 cc again. Every 5 days
And using oxymetholone 50 mg ED
I have on hands nolvadex 20 mg, but never felt any gyno symptoms

my concern is: i never ran HCG , this is my last week. Should i still get it? or just do the PCT with nolvadex?
i understood, correct me if not, that if you didnt take HCG ON cycle, it wouldnt be correct to use it on PCT?

thanks

[numbere]

Hi,

40 years old
male
6-1
197 lbs
BF 17%

firt time cycle.

I´m starting my 6th week of a 7 week cycle with a few mistakes. as i just notices with this page.
cypionate test (250 mg) i started 0.5 cc and gradually increased till 1.5cc, and then decreasing to 0.5 cc again. Every 5 days
And using oxymetholone 50 mg ED
I have on hands nolvadex 20 mg, but never felt any gyno symptoms

my concern is: i never ran HCG, this is my last week. Should i still get it? or just do the PCT with nolvadex?
i understood, correct me if not, that if you didnt take HCG ON cycle, it wouldnt be correct to use it on PCT?

thanks

Welcome to the forum!

You're correct, using hcg during pct is not the best decision.

It would be a good idea to do more research because there is a lot of room for improvement in your cycle.

Before cycling again it would be a good idea to make your own thread in the Q&A section and list your cycle.

You should source some clomid and two weeks after your last pin run a PCT as follows:

Clomid 75/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20

[Junni]

Hello,

I've followed this guide and i'm currently doing a cycle of 12 weeks, of test E 500mg every week separated by two 250mg shots every 3.5 days. Same protocol for pregnyl with 250ui every 3.5 days. Also i'm taking arimidex 0.25 EOD.

My mid cycle results just came and my LH is < 0,10 mIU/ML in a 0.00 - 25.00 range.
All my stuff was bought on a pharmacy, so my question is, shouldn't my LH be in normal values if im taking pregnyl?

Also my estradiol is 69.82 pg/ml on a 0 - 90 scale. Should i increase arimidex ou change to aromasin?


Sorry for hijacking on this thread. Maybe i should open a topic on bloodwork forum.