HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

[97viper]

A standard insulin syringe can hold 1 CC in volume. Each barrel will have markings in 1 unit increments up to 100. So each CC displays 100 unit markings.

Step 1: Amount of hCG units in a vial DIVIDED BY total CC's of solution added = Amount of hCG you will have per CC.
Step 1 example: 10,000 / 10 = 1,000

Step 2: Amount of hCG per CC (result of step 1) DIVIDED BY 100 (number of units on a slin pin) = amount of hCG per unit.
Step 2 example: 1,000 / 100 = 10

Step 3: Amount desired per injection DIVIDED BY amount of hCG per unit (result of step 2) = Number of units to draw from your mixed vial.
Step 3 example: 250 IU / 10 = 25 units. You would draw 25 units, or a quarter of a CC on a slin pin.

If i use a .5 cc syringe since that's what I have on hand, 250 IU will still be 25 units, correct? I ask because in step 2 if I divide by 50 which is what the .5 cc syringe holds rather than 100 used in the example, my final figure would be 12.5 units for 250 IU. U

[numbere]

If i use a .5 cc syringe since that's what I have on hand, 250 IU will still be 25 units, correct? I ask because in step 2 if I divide by 50 which is what the .5 cc syringe holds rather than 100 used in the example, my final figure would be 12.5 units for 250 IU. U

If you add 10 cc of solvent to 10,000 IU of hcg then you will have 250 IU/25 units.

Just because your pin only holds 0.5 cc does not change the amount of units per cc.

[LegionVon]

Should i run my AI. A little higher if using hCG on cycle?

[Paden5971]

Great post. I ordered mine a few days ago for my next cycle. I plan to mix my B12 with it. What is a good dose to start with?

[austinite]

Should i run my AI. A little higher if using hCG on cycle?

No.

Great post. I ordered mine a few days ago for my next cycle. I plan to mix my B12 with it. What is a good dose to start with?

Doses listed in the article will do just fine.

[Nine91]

Quick question. I will have some open hcg left over from a cycle. Been doing 500iu per week. Can I blast more near the end to get more use out of it? Would that benefit me at all or just do damage? Something like 1000iu for a few weeks or more? Thanks

[600@50]

No need to increase the weekly dose. 250iu twice a week is plenty.

[austinite]

No need to increase the weekly dose. 250iu twice a week is plenty.

I agree with 600@50 above.

[blackj]

Hi
Thanks for the great info!

Is it OK to use hcg for long times ? For 12 weeks cycles or more should we use hcg for the entire cycle?

Thanks in advance

[Kyle1337]

Hi
Thanks for the great info!

Is it OK to use hcg for long times ? For 12 weeks cycles or more should we use hcg for the entire cycle?

Thanks in advance

Absolutely. In fact, you should run it longer than 12 weeks if doing a 12 week cycle. If you do any cycle, it'll be longer than the actual time you're using. Run HCG 3 days prior to PCT.

[blackj]

thanks for your answer!

so there's no desensitization possibility for long usage of hcg !?

hCG can be used for 90 days after reconstituting it. After 90 days, it loses approximately 10% potency per month. You can leave hCG at room temperature for about a week with negligible potency loss. No loss if it's in the early stages after mixing. After 90 days, you would simply increase dose to compensate for the 10% loss per month. So for those of you who travel, do not be afraid to take your hCG. No need to go through the extra measure of keeping it cool.

i didnt get the bolded part ! it states that we can leave reconstituted hcg at room temperature for a week ? or before reconstitution !?

[numbere]

thanks for your answer!

so there's no desensitization possibility for long usage of hcg !?

i didnt get the bolded part ! it states that we can leave reconstituted hcg at room temperature for a week ? or before reconstitution !?

Leydig cell desensitization will only occur from large amounts of hcg or long AAS cycles without hcg.

Hcg will suffer and insignificant loss in effectiveness if left at room temperature for a week after being reconstituted with bacteriostatic water.

[ocman]

Ok, so I forgot to put the hCG back in the refrigerator and it sat in a box in the closet for 3 days, is it safe to use or should i toss it?

[charger69]

Ok, so I forgot to put the hCG back in the refrigerator and it sat in a box in the closet for 3 days, is it safe to use or should i toss it?

Was it mixed with bac water?
I do not think that safety is at risk with bac water however the "potency" will not last as long. The refrigeration is to preserve the mix as long as possible, however I am not an expert.

[kelkel]

Ok, so I forgot to put the hCG back in the refrigerator and it sat in a box in the closet for 3 days, is it safe to use or should i toss it?

It's absolutely fine. Zero worries.

[ocman]

It's absolutely fine. Zero worries.

sweet!

yes, it was mixed with bac water.

[ocman]

It's absolutely fine. Zero worries.

ha,btw, where did you get those ****ing biceps at sears (2 for 1 special)...lol

[MILO6]

It's absolutely fine. Zero worries.

HEY KELKEL: Im concerned about HCG:

40 years old
male
6-1
197 lbs
BF 17%

first time cycle.

I´m starting my 6th week of a 7 week cycle with a few mistakes. as i just noticed with this page.
cypionate test (250 mg) i started 0.5 cc and gradually increased till 1.5cc, and then decreasing to 0.5 cc again. Every 5 days
And using oxymetholone 50 mg ED
I have on hands nolvadex 20 mg, but never felt any gyno symptoms

my concern is: i never ran HCG , this is my last week. Should i still get it? or just do the PCT with nolvadex?
i understood, correct me if not, that if you didnt take HCG ON cycle, it wouldnt be correct to use it on PCT?

thanks

[X-BODY]

Forgive me for my bad English and if this was already asked.
I will go new cycle(12 weeks) after long break and i have 5000iu Pregnyl by MSD Pharma but i will need a 2000iu/month. (250+250=500iu/week)
If I mix 5000 iu hcg with 10 ml bac water, i will have 500iu/ml x10 times(2,5 months) dose of hcg. But mixed hcg's effectiveness is up to 4 weeks only right??? This mean, should i throw out the remaining hcg end of the month?? or what? I m confused can't calculate

[Bio-Active]

Forgive me for my bad English and if this was already asked. I will go new cycle(12 weeks) after long break and i have 5000iu Pregnyl by MSD Pharma but i will need a 2000iu/month. (250+250=500iu/week) If I mix 5000 iu hcg with 10 ml bac water, i will have 500iu/ml x10 times(2,5 months) dose of hcg. But mixed hcg's effectiveness is up to 4 weeks only right??? This mean, should i throw out the remaining hcg end of the month?? or what? I m confused can't calculate

no if you store it properly it will not start to loose potency for 90 days

[X-BODY]

no if you store it properly it will not start to loose potency for 90 days

Is this means only 1 ampoule(5000) hcg + 10 ml bac water mix is enough for my entire 12 weeks cycle in total right???? NOTE: i will store the mixture in refrigerator between 4-5 C i think its ok?
Sorry for my bad English again

[Bio-Active]

Is this means i can go 1 ampoule(5000) hcg + 10 ml bac water mix is enough for my entire 12 weeks cycle in total right???? NOTE: i will store the mixture in refrigerator between 4-5 C i think its ok? Sorry for my bad English again

store it in the fridge and yes it will not loose potency for 90 days

[boofhead187]

Damn, I didn't realize you needed a 1ml syringe and 30g needles. I only got my 3ml syringes and 25g needles from my Test injection.
I was just going to inject hCG into my other quad tomorrow, can I use those until I get some 1ml and 30g needles ?

[MILO6]

Hi,

40 years old
male
6-1
197 lbs
BF 17%

firt time cycle.

I´m starting my 6th week of a 7 week cycle with a few mistakes. as i just notices with this page.
cypionate test (250 mg) i started 0.5 cc and gradually increased till 1.5cc, and then decreasing to 0.5 cc again. Every 5 days
And using oxymetholone 50 mg ED
I have on hands nolvadex 20 mg, but never felt any gyno symptoms

my concern is: i never ran HCG, this is my last week. Should i still get it? or just do the PCT with nolvadex?
i understood, correct me if not, that if you didnt take HCG ON cycle, it wouldnt be correct to use it on PCT?

thanks

[numbere]

Hi,

40 years old
male
6-1
197 lbs
BF 17%

firt time cycle.

I´m starting my 6th week of a 7 week cycle with a few mistakes. as i just notices with this page.
cypionate test (250 mg) i started 0.5 cc and gradually increased till 1.5cc, and then decreasing to 0.5 cc again. Every 5 days
And using oxymetholone 50 mg ED
I have on hands nolvadex 20 mg, but never felt any gyno symptoms

my concern is: i never ran HCG, this is my last week. Should i still get it? or just do the PCT with nolvadex?
i understood, correct me if not, that if you didnt take HCG ON cycle, it wouldnt be correct to use it on PCT?

thanks

Welcome to the forum!

You're correct, using hcg during pct is not the best decision.

It would be a good idea to do more research because there is a lot of room for improvement in your cycle.

Before cycling again it would be a good idea to make your own thread in the Q&A section and list your cycle.

You should source some clomid and two weeks after your last pin run a PCT as follows:

Clomid 75/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20

[Junni]

Hello,

I've followed this guide and i'm currently doing a cycle of 12 weeks, of test E 500mg every week separated by two 250mg shots every 3.5 days. Same protocol for pregnyl with 250ui every 3.5 days. Also i'm taking arimidex 0.25 EOD.

My mid cycle results just came and my LH is < 0,10 mIU/ML in a 0.00 - 25.00 range.
All my stuff was bought on a pharmacy, so my question is, shouldn't my LH be in normal values if im taking pregnyl?

Also my estradiol is 69.82 pg/ml on a 0 - 90 scale. Should i increase arimidex ou change to aromasin?


Sorry for hijacking on this thread. Maybe i should open a topic on bloodwork forum.

[kelkel]

Your LH bottoms out when on exogenous testosterone. HCG does not stimulate LH production it only mimics it and will not show on a blood test. So the answer is no. I'd leave your AI alone. Assuming the reading is accurate (and it's probably not as standard estradiol is geared to women and not accurate for men) it's always better to be a little high than low. You're fine.

[hammerheart]

I want to add HCG to my TRT protocol, but:

1) can't find vials anywhere
2) same applies to bac water

What I got is

1) HCG that comes in AMPS
2) NaCl 0.9% sterile solution
3) BA 99.98% solution
4) syringes

So duh I can make my own bac water, mix it with the powder, then preload some syringes.

In terms of sterility is this a good idea? I'm planning to start with a 250 IU EOD regimen.

[Sfla80]

I want to add HCG to my TRT protocol, but:

1) can't find vials anywhere
2) same applies to bac water

What I got is

1) HCG that comes in AMPS
2) NaCl 0.9% sterile solution
3) BA 99.98% solution
4) syringes

So duh I can make my own bac water, mix it with the powder, then preload some syringes.

In terms of sterility is this a good idea? I'm planning to start with a 250 IU EOD regimen.

Alot of people make their own bac water.

But it's really easy to find.

Most online medical supply stores carry it. Same with vials.

[FONZY007]

I want to add HCG to my TRT protocol, but:

1) can't find vials anywhere
2) same applies to bac water

What I got is

1) HCG that comes in AMPS
2) NaCl 0.9% sterile solution
3) BA 99.98% solution
4) syringes

So duh I can make my own bac water, mix it with the powder, then preload some syringes.

In terms of sterility is this a good idea? I'm planning to start with a 250 IU EOD regimen.

I boiled water let cool added it into sterile vial and then added in the BA. Easy and cheap.

[hammerheart]

Alot of people make their own bac water.

But it's really easy to find.

Most online medical supply stores carry it. Same with vials.

Easy indeed, but only from the US. Shipment is about $50 and it could take months to arrive. Once here. the Italian customs won't let anything in unless you specify what it is. I had a promo from iherb (8 pills...) seized and then asked for a $15 fee just for handling the item. If it pass, the postman will ask for import duties. It just get too expensive and annoying, so batching my own bac water is the way to go.

I boiled water let cool added it into sterile vial and then added in the BA. Easy and cheap.

I can get NaCl sterile solution for cheap from the pharmacy. It comes in 250ml vials, but those are way oversized for the purpose.

Do you check for water PH? Plain water looks less than ideal, imho.

[numbere]

I can get NaCl sterile solution for cheap from the pharmacy. It comes in 250ml vials, but those are way oversized for the purpose.

NaCl is not adequate for long term storage.

You need benzyl alcohol 9mg/ml as a bacteriostatic preservative.

[hammerheart]

NaCl is not adequate for long term storage.

You need benzyl alcohol 9mg/ml as a bacteriostatic preservative.

Indeed I have BA, I wrote it above.

I'm wondering how much time it will take for the Leydigs to respond, after two years of suppressive TRT.

My urologist said the testes look hypoechoic on ultrasound, that means there is some degree of atrophy already.

[numbere]

Indeed I have BA, I wrote it above.

I'm wondering how much time it will take for the Leydigs to respond, after two years of suppressive TRT.

My urologist said the testes look hypoechoic on ultrasound, that means there is some degree of atrophy already.

I saw you had BA, was just making sure that you know it's needed.

No offense but most of the posters in this thread need specific instructions.

You should notice a difference by the end week one.

Don't forget hcg is necessary for more than just testicular function.

[FONZY007]

Indeed I have BA, I wrote it above.

I'm wondering how much time it will take for the Leydigs to respond, after two years of suppressive TRT.

My urologist said the testes look hypoechoic on ultrasound, that means there is some degree of atrophy already.

I used hcg but I would break out. I have lost a 25% of my size since I'm on trt for 8 years. Takes 4 to 6 weeks to gain some size back in the little boys

[Miki3]

Not Use hCG Post Cycle? .. What about Dr.scally power pct? large dose of HCG can desensitize you. So what is good about power pct?

[numbere]

Not Use hCG Post Cycle? .. What about Dr.scally power pct? large dose of HCG can desensitize you. So what is good about power pct?

Hcg shouldn't be used during PCT because it mimics lh and is suppressive to natural lh production.

I don’t like the idea of using more than 500 IU of hCG per day and would skip this step if implementing the Power PCT Program. There is no need to use hCG with this protocol unless you will be having blood work at the end of the first 15 days of the program because it's purpose is to only check for primary vs secondary hypogonadism. Using hcg during SERM therapy is counterproductive.

The Power PCT Program consists of two parts, and uses three research compounds. Part I uses hCG to test functionality of the leydig cells. Part II uses nolva and closed to stimulate a hypothalamic pituitary response.

[Miki3]

My eng is little bad.. so if i understand good you prefer hcg during cycle and dont aprove power pct? ... - SERM therapy= pct/tamox,etc/ ? just for sure sorry for being anoying

[AR's King Silabolin]

Did my first hcg shot today. Ever. Just mixed 1250 IU with 1 cc deca and 1 cc sus in the same syringe. Felt a bit nervous. When i looked inside the syringe before injection it was not nice, almost greyish, foggy oily. Not so clear and nice as the usual deca/sus mix. Had it become toxic?...Fuk it, guess it wont kill me. I had a "friend" and he ratted on some mcguys and they injected gasolin in his ass. It didnt kill him. So:-)...Now 30 minutes after i feel fine, guess it will be ok. Stil, calming to read aust hcg mixing lesson. It should be ok.
Thanks aust

I know it should not be 1250 but i will only run hcg the last 2 weeks of my cycle and ive got 5000 IU.
But now, when im inside the hcgworld, i maybe running it 250 IU twice a week for my christmascycle.

[charger69]

Did my first hcg shot today. Ever. Just mixed 1250 IU with 1 cc deca and 1 cc sus in the same syringe. Felt a bit nervous. When i looked inside the syringe before injection it was not nice, almost greyish, foggy oily. Not so clear and nice as the usual deca/sus mix. Had it become toxic?...Fuk it, guess it wont kill me. I had a "friend" and he ratted on some mcguys and they injected gasolin in his ass. It didnt kill him. So:-)...Now 30 minutes after i feel fine, guess it will be ok. Stil, calming to read aust hcg mixing lesson. It should be ok. Thanks aust I know it should not be 1250 but i will only run hcg the last 2 weeks of my cycle and ive got 5000 IU. But now, when im inside the hcgworld, i maybe running it 250 IU twice a week for my christmascycle.

Silabolin- welcome to the underworld. Hahahaha. Just want to comment... IMHO you should refrain from taking too much hCG because it can desensitize your leydig cells.
Not taking any and taking too much are equally bad.