Gearheaded’s crazy EXPERIMENTS log

[99JT]

good to see your back at it

[charger69]

I know that any AAS can be used for gain or cutting, however I don’t understand why you are using dry compounds. I use these for cutting. Your workout combo also surprises me. This is something that I would use for cutting however your trying to gain weight.
Without a test base, your free T is going to plummet as well as your total T.


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[GearHeaded]

I know that any AAS can be used for gain or cutting, however I don’t understand why you are using dry compounds. I use these for cutting. Your workout combo also surprises me. This is something that I would use for cutting however your trying to gain weight.
Without a test base, your free T is going to plummet as well as your total T.

well a lot of the things we know come down from others as well as is speculation .. do we ever really really test these things on ourself. much of the time we don't and we just accept what we think is common practice.
I'd rather do things different and find out for myself then go by an online steroid profile which has the soul purpose of selling ad space then it does to actually teach anyone the truth about the steroid its writing about.
most sites that teach about AAS that have ads on them, just stay away their usually BS. the real truth about AAS is often found in old medical journals and articles (no ads) written for the medical community (not the steroid community)
anyhow, thats a rant in itself.

to get to the questions posed..
so the reason I'm only running dry compounds is to test out how well they work at actually regenerating muscle tissue. we already know that wet compounds work great at adding size and muscle fullness.. so why should I not take this perfect opportunity and just see how well dry compounds work.

my workout split - again we all know that hitting a single muscle group hard and then letting it recover is ideal for growth. I don't need to try out what I already know.. so what I'm going to do is use the blood flow / pump method and see how well that works. I don't think at this stage I really need to tear apart and break down muscle tissue to grow. All I need to do is drive as much blood and nutrients into the muscle as possible and as OFTEN as possible to help regenerate and restore muscle tissue. the more blood I can pump the more nutrients I can bring in the better, and the more muscle groups I can hit, as often as possible, the quicker the regeneration should occur.
at this stage if I only hit one muscle group , like chest, once per week, the growth process would take way longer. again I'm not that far removed from where I was (only 6 weeks).. if I can get blood and nutrients into my chest, and multiple other body parts a whole bunch of times per week, then the faster things should happen.

regarding free T crashing with no test. yes this is likely to happen.. but whats that going to really do in this case ? a small amount of free T from a natty dose of test doesn't build muscle anyhow.. I've got 500mg of a test derivative, EQ, to give me plenty of anabolic load (and bind to androgen receptors at a very fast rate). 200mg of Tren that will act as androgenic as 1000mg of test, and anavar lowering SHBG and freeing up everything to bind to receptors without being gobbled up by SHBG.. do I really need a minisucule amount of free T to really do anything for me?

the estrogen is the only thing I'm worried about.. and as I said above I can just throw in 10mg of Dbol per day to get some estrogen.


I'm really just looking to experiment right now. lets see what can be learned . I don't need to repeat things I already know works for dozens of guys.
eg., I know running a TRT dose of test with your cycles works great for pretty much everyone .. lets see what happens with no test in this scenario. we all can learn a something from it I bet

[Family_guy]

well a lot of the things we know come down from others as well as is speculation .. do we ever really really test these things on ourself. much of the time we don't and we just accept what we think is common practice.
I'd rather do things different and find out for myself then go by an online steroid profile which has the soul purpose of selling ad space then it does to actually teach anyone the truth about the steroid its writing about.
most sites that teach about AAS that have ads on them, just stay away their usually BS. the real truth about AAS is often found in old medical journals and articles (no ads) written for the medical community (not the steroid community)
anyhow, thats a rant in itself.

to get to the questions posed..
so the reason I'm only running dry compounds is to test out how well they work at actually regenerating muscle tissue. we already know that wet compounds work great at adding size and muscle fullness.. so why should I not take this perfect opportunity and just see how well dry compounds work.

my workout split - again we all know that hitting a single muscle group hard and then letting it recover is ideal for growth. I don't need to try out what I already know.. so what I'm going to do is use the blood flow / pump method and see how well that works. I don't think at this stage I really need to tear apart and break down muscle tissue to grow. All I need to do is drive as much blood and nutrients into the muscle as possible and as OFTEN as possible to help regenerate and restore muscle tissue. the more blood I can pump the more nutrients I can bring in the better, and the more muscle groups I can hit, as often as possible, the quicker the regeneration should occur.
at this stage if I only hit one muscle group , like chest, once per week, the growth process would take way longer. again I'm not that far removed from where I was (only 6 weeks).. if I can get blood and nutrients into my chest, and multiple other body parts a whole bunch of times per week, then the faster things should happen.

regarding free T crashing with no test. yes this is likely to happen.. but whats that going to really do in this case ? a small amount of free T from a natty dose of test doesn't build muscle anyhow.. I've got 500mg of a test derivative, EQ, to give me plenty of anabolic load (and bind to androgen receptors at a very fast rate). 200mg of Tren that will act as androgenic as 1000mg of test, and anavar lowering SHBG and freeing up everything to bind to receptors without being gobbled up by SHBG.. do I really need a minisucule amount of free T to really do anything for me?

the estrogen is the only thing I'm worried about.. and as I said above I can just throw in 10mg of Dbol per day to get some estrogen.


I'm really just looking to experiment right now. lets see what can be learned . I don't need to repeat things I already know works for dozens of guys.
eg., I know running a TRT dose of test with your cycles works great for pretty much everyone .. lets see what happens with no test in this scenario. we all can learn a something from it I bet

This is very exciting to me! Everyone says “can’t run anything without test base!!!!!” Arnold did it without test right? I’m very excited to see your results gear!

[Proximal]

Glad to have you back GH!

[charger69]

I found about 50 iu’s in my fridge of GH (growth hormone). I know GH is long term, is there anyway that I can use this and have it make a difference? If not I’lo get rid of it.


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[HoldMyBeer]

I found about 50 iu’s in my fridge of GH (growth hormone). I know GH is long term, is there anyway that I can use this and have it make a difference? If not I’lo get rid of it.


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As I mentioned to Obs, it takes 7-10 days of daily use to saturate igf levels, then you can switch to EOD to maintain them
So if you're going to do 5iu/day, then the whole 50 will just be used to get to the saturation point. If you're doing 2.5, you will have 20 days of getting the max benefit from it. That is also the time period where I usually retain a bunch of water and 2.5 probably won't do much besides improve recovery and metabolism.
I would just save it and add it to the end of the next run of GH, unless you don't play on ever running it again.
Just my opinion from what little I have learned about it.

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[Family_guy]

I found about 50 iu’s in my fridge of GH (growth hormone). I know GH is long term, is there anyway that I can use this and have it make a difference? If not I’lo get rid of it.


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If you don’t want it I’ll take it

[charger69]

We are due for an update on the expirement. I am very interested to see if my expectation are real.


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[GearHeaded]

We are due for an update on the expirement. I am very interested to see if my expectation are real.

UPDATE-

so I have not been on this new cycle very long, and again I'm taking long esters (EQ and Tren E).. but I have not injected Test in a few weeks. so my test levels have dropped off to near nothing by now. however, I feel just fine. libido has actually picked up (this is the tren kicking in).
I did not add in the VAR like I had planned. but starting yesterday I did add in 20mg of Dbol. This is just to get some estrogen.

the interesting thing about running no test at all while I start this blast is that I have no back acne like I usually get when I blast. we shall see if it stays this way with no test in this cycle.

body weight - I'm up 6 pounds since starting. my goal is to be up 30 pounds from just this cycle (regain the 25 I lost and add 5). I will add in some 'bulking' compounds at the end like NPP, Deca, Anadrol. but want to see how far this little bit of EQ and Tren gets me first.

I did add in 75mcg of T4 per day.. the reason for this is I think my metabolism slowed down quite a bit from that long phase of barely eating, plus Tren is thyroid suppressive. so I'm boosting the metabolism NOT for fat loss, but for nutrient partitioning and assimilation.

I was thinking of adding in 25mg of MK677 mainly for the appetite increase.. I'm a bit hesitant to do this though mainly because I know its going to make me retain a bit of water, which is a good thing for growth, but I kinda wanted to see how far I can get with a 'dry' bulk.

insulin, 10-30iu per day.
10iu in the morning with breakfast
5-10iu pre workout
10-15iu post workout

as my weight goes up and my calories go up my insulin use will also go up.. another reason I want to add in the MK677 here is to get the synergetic effects with the insulin and the T4 usage. I'll get a greater IGF increase and more overall growth factors happening


as for the diet -- I've switched from rice and potatos as my main carb sources to adding in quite a bit of pasta. red meat and pasta are my main food sources right now. point there is calorie density.. I'm only eating 4-5 meals per day so I want the cals of those meals to be as dense as possible.. as I progress the number of meals will go up.

heres an example of why I'm going with pasta instead of rice as my main carb source.. last night for dinner was 8oz of Cod. which is like 50g of protein, now if I would of just had a cup of rice with that I'd simply be adding 50g of carbs. so instead I had the cod with an entire box of Mac and cheese (the Mac was a total of 141g of carbs, 27g of protein, and only 9g of fat for a total of 750 cals). so that pasta addition instead of the rice made that meal substantially more macro and cal dense.


Training -- frickin loving these full body workouts. much different then what I've done in the past (even though I've written at least 50+ different full body training programs for clients over the years, I've rarely used them myself). I did have a program I did in the past that was an upper/lower split for the week but had one day of the week that was a full body "pump" and "recovery" day.. but never really did full body for every single workout that I do.
we'll see if the results come from it or not. I'm mainly doing more blood volume based training and lots of RIR based training. I'm rarely going heavy or to failure right now.

one thing for sure I've learned here is this quote "STRENGTH IS NOT LOYAL" .. strength is not loyal to anyone at all. its not there by your side and something you can depend on.. nope, you have to work for it every single day. if you step away for even a short time, strength is gone. it does not stay with you, its not loyal to you, its something you have to earn daily.

[charger69]

UPDATE-

so I have not been on this new cycle very long, and again I'm taking long esters (EQ and Tren E).. but I have not injected Test in a few weeks. so my test levels have dropped off to near nothing by now. however, I feel just fine. libido has actually picked up (this is the tren kicking in).
I did not add in the VAR like I had planned. but starting yesterday I did add in 20mg of Dbol. This is just to get some estrogen.

the interesting thing about running no test at all while I start this blast is that I have no back acne like I usually get when I blast. we shall see if it stays this way with no test in this cycle.

body weight - I'm up 6 pounds since starting. my goal is to be up 30 pounds from just this cycle (regain the 25 I lost and add 5). I will add in some 'bulking' compounds at the end like NPP, Deca, Anadrol. but want to see how far this little bit of EQ and Tren gets me first.

I did add in 75mcg of T4 per day.. the reason for this is I think my metabolism slowed down quite a bit from that long phase of barely eating, plus Tren is thyroid suppressive. so I'm boosting the metabolism NOT for fat loss, but for nutrient partitioning and assimilation.

I was thinking of adding in 25mg of MK677 mainly for the appetite increase.. I'm a bit hesitant to do this though mainly because I know its going to make me retain a bit of water, which is a good thing for growth, but I kinda wanted to see how far I can get with a 'dry' bulk.

insulin, 10-30iu per day.
10iu in the morning with breakfast
5-10iu pre workout
10-15iu post workout

as my weight goes up and my calories go up my insulin use will also go up.. another reason I want to add in the MK677 here is to get the synergetic effects with the insulin and the T4 usage. I'll get a greater IGF increase and more overall growth factors happening


as for the diet -- I've switched from rice and potatos as my main carb sources to adding in quite a bit of pasta. red meat and pasta are my main food sources right now. point there is calorie density.. I'm only eating 4-5 meals per day so I want the cals of those meals to be as dense as possible.. as I progress the number of meals will go up.

heres an example of why I'm going with pasta instead of rice as my main carb source.. last night for dinner was 8oz of Cod. which is like 50g of protein, now if I would of just had a cup of rice with that I'd simply be adding 50g of carbs. so instead I had the cod with an entire box of Mac and cheese (the Mac was a total of 141g of carbs, 27g of protein, and only 9g of fat for a total of 750 cals). so that pasta addition instead of the rice made that meal substantially more macro and cal dense.


Training -- frickin loving these full body workouts. much different then what I've done in the past (even though I've written at least 50+ different full body training programs for clients over the years, I've rarely used them myself). I did have a program I did in the past that was an upper/lower split for the week but had one day of the week that was a full body "pump" and "recovery" day.. but never really did full body for every single workout that I do.
we'll see if the results come from it or not. I'm mainly doing more blood volume based training and lots of RIR based training. I'm rarely going heavy or to failure right now.

one thing for sure I've learned here is this quote "STRENGTH IS NOT LOYAL" .. strength is not loyal to anyone at all. its not there by your side and something you can depend on.. nope, you have to work for it every single day. if you step away for even a short time, strength is gone. it does not stay with you, its not loyal to you, its something you have to earn daily.

Thanks!


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[GearHeaded]

Matt Porter -- RIP... fucking sucks!
l.
he is the real deal and an awesome coach.. (edit delete the rest the whole post)

[GearHeaded]

here is an interesting tid bit - so I have digestive issues and will do occasional fasting just to reset my gut. this generally consists of having only 1 meal in a 48 hour period. as you'd expect I normally drop a pound or two when doing this, which comes right back once I start the diet up again.

Well I'm on my second day of fasting and to my surprise I'm up 3 pounds. wtf. how does that happen.. the only thing I can think of that I did differently is that I just added in the Balkan Dbol. my last meal was a very carb heavy meal. perhaps it helped partition the carbs and fill out some glycogen stores. idk.. I've never fasted and ended up 3 pounds heavier then before the fast began. weird

[KrossOut]

here is an interesting tid bit - so I have digestive issues and will do occasional fasting just to reset my gut. this generally consists of having only 1 meal in a 48 hour period. as you'd expect I normally drop a pound or two when doing this, which comes right back once I start the diet up again.

Well I'm on my second day of fasting and to my surprise I'm up 3 pounds. wtf. how does that happen.. the only thing I can think of that I did differently is that I just added in the Balkan Dbol. my last meal was a very carb heavy meal. perhaps it helped partition the carbs and fill out some glycogen stores. idk.. I've never fasted and ended up 3 pounds heavier then before the fast began. weird

Or you might have been dehydrated the first day and then drank enough water to rehydrate during your fast?


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[charger69]

Or you might have been dehydrated the first day and then drank enough water to rehydrate during your fast?


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My first thought was water retention.


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[GearHeaded]

My first thought was water retention.

from the Dbol already ?
if I been fasting, drinking little water, sipping on mainly coffee,, I should be losing water weight if anything. idk

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Batteries in the scale going out? Malfunction of some type?

[Fastteck]

pm sent

[GearHeaded]

Or you might have been dehydrated the first day and then drank enough water to rehydrate during your fast?

excellent point .. however in my situation it was just the opposite. I trained 4 days in a row this week and I always super hydrate, carb load, and drink electrolytes on training days. so on Friday (the last day I trained) I was super hydrated. then going into this weekend I began my fast. this weekend not eating I spent a lot of the day just sipping on coffee. then going outside and spending lots of time in the sun. really not drinking much water at all. so if anything I'm actually dehydrated more now then I was a few days ago.
thats why it seems weird to of jumped up 3 pounds like that out of no where

[GearHeaded]

No Testosterone update -

so its been a pretty long time since I've had optimal or supra-physioligical levels of test in my system. Test is definitely completely out of my system. this latest cycle I just started (very conservative low dose) does not include any test.

so how do I feel with just a tiny bit of tren and some EQ with no Test ?

the basics.. um yeah libido and all that stuff is functioning at top notch capacity (you can find me on porn hub banging hot Latinas if you need to confirm this .. jk)
my skin is way way more clear then even when on just TRT doses of test.
I'm also not as flushed or puffy looking in the face.

negative -
I'm extremely flat and depleted. I cannot get a pump in the gym at all. I think most of this is likely due to my diet as I'm struggling bad with digestion issues and stomach problems and can't eat like I should and go through long periods of fasting to try and help.. but maybe its the lack of test on top of it.

so far, no test cycle has had more positive then negative.


keep in mind - training.. I'm coming back from so crappy injuries (again) and am only doing very very low volume to start out. I'm training only about 3 days per week. this will ramp up over time and so will the food and so will the drugs.

for now no Test on this current run has been positive

[charger69]

No Testosterone update -

so its been a pretty long time since I've had optimal or supra-physioligical levels of test in my system. Test is definitely completely out of my system. this latest cycle I just started (very conservative low dose) does not include any test.

so how do I feel with just a tiny bit of tren and some EQ with no Test ?

the basics.. um yeah libido and all that stuff is functioning at top notch capacity (you can find me on porn hub banging hot Latinas if you need to confirm this .. jk)
my skin is way way more clear then even when on just TRT doses of test.
I'm also not as flushed or puffy looking in the face.

negative -
I'm extremely flat and depleted. I cannot get a pump in the gym at all. I think most of this is likely due to my diet as I'm struggling bad with digestion issues and stomach problems and can't eat like I should and go through long periods of fasting to try and help.. but maybe its the lack of test on top of it.

so far, no test cycle has had more positive then negative.


keep in mind - training.. I'm coming back from so crappy injuries (again) and am only doing very very low volume to start out. I'm training only about 3 days per week. this will ramp up over time and so will the food and so will the drugs.

for now no Test on this current run has been positive

Do you think that if you were working out normal that you would have the same results?
By normal I mean pushing it every day.


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[GearHeaded]

Do you think that if you were working out normal that you would have the same results?
By normal I mean pushing it every day.

well as you know I own my gym and am a trainer.. I'm used to working out in the past twice per day just cause I'm there and its my job.
so this approach is totally different for me. its just an experiment I'm trying. I do think that if I increased my training volume, took in more cals, more intra workout nutrition, etc.. I would have way better pumps and not be so flat and weak feeling right now.

[GearHeaded]

so heres what a day of diet and training look like

training - full body pull day

cable lat pullovers - 5 sets 20 reps
lat pull down reverse grip 3 sets 12 reps
lat pull down - 3 sets 12 reps , 2 hard working sets 8-10 reps
seated row - 3 sets 12 reps, 2 hard working sets 16+ reps
smith machine shrugs - 4 sets 12 reps
rear delt reverse pec dec - 4 sets 12 reps
seated hamstring curls - 4 sets 20 reps
wide stance smith squats - 4 sets 6 reps
standing hamstring curls - 4 sets 20 reps

diet
meal 1 - protein shake in milk
meal 2 - egg whites with 4 whole eggs, 1.5 cups rice, 6oz ground beef
meal 3 - 14oz steak, 2 medium potatoes
meal 4 - pre workout snack - ice cream (yeah yeah)
intra - 40g carbs 15g aminos
meal 5 - 10oz salmon 1.5 cups rice
meal 6 - 2 cups pasta 8oz ground beef


keep in mind thats a training day.. off days are different. and as I've said I've been doing lots of fasting on off days. which I hope will change soon.
this type of volume and food is only 3 days per week right now. I will be slowly ramping this up.. as these things ramp up I may ramp up the drugs as well. but will see

[GearHeaded]

I should note-- I'm finishing off some stuff in my freezer. but for most part this summer I'm going to be "budget bulking" . NO steak and salmon.. whole chickens, ham, pork steaks, can tuna, Mac and cheese, etc.

[Family_guy]

I recently saw a video of a guy that advocates a deca only cycle. He argues that deca(nandrolone) can perform all the functions that test does when run at a high enough doseage(1-3grams). At that dose it does convert to enough estrogen to be at a good level. He argues that test doesn’t actually do anything special other than convert to estrogen and that’s why guys that don’t run a test base run into issues. He claims that deca only(really deca plus anything other than test) is the least side effect cycle possible.

Thoughts?

[GearHeaded]

I recently saw a video of a guy that advocates a deca only cycle. He argues that deca(nandrolone) can perform all the functions that test does when run at a high enough doseage(1-3grams). At that dose it does convert to enough estrogen to be at a good level. He argues that test doesn’t actually do anything special other than convert to estrogen and that’s why guys that don’t run a test base run into issues. He claims that deca only(really deca plus anything other than test) is the least side effect cycle possible.

Thoughts?

deca only cycles are nothing new, been around for decades, but some of these guys are advocating like its some new idea they just figured out

Deca only cycles work just fine for 8-10 week high dosage blasts. run much longer then that and here is what your going to run into

- Deca does NOT convert to DHT. it converts to DHN (which has the capacity to bind to DHT receptors, but provide no androgenic or masculizing effects what so ever.. its basically DHT in "feminine" form if that makes sense.. DHT is what makes a man a man and is what turns a fetus into a male fetus).
so what does this mean. well DHT is required to get and maintain an erection . on top of many other male sexual attributes. also losing out on the androgenic effects is not going to be beneficial long term for muscle growth and gym performance.

- Deca does NOT aromatize into estrogen (for the most part), despite all the shitty online profiles that state that it does.. Deca is a 19 Nor modified nandrolone (progestin) and by its very nature/structure is not aromatizable (there some debate here). However, as a progestinic derived compound its able to be estrogenic in the body and provide estrogen like characteristics by interacting with estrogen receptors via the progestin mechanism.
this is why guys think it does aromatize because it can display estrogenic like effects.

one thing good about deca is that it has been used in Medicine for the treatment of various diseases and conditions so we have quite a bit of real life human studies with it.
off the top of my head, one study I remember reading had men taking 200mg of deca per week. over time every single person in that study estrogen levels went DOWN.
why. because Deca does not aromatize and is very suppressive and will shut down natty test production pretty hard. with no natty test production you have no source of estrogen.

so I completely disagree with this guy saying that Deca aromatizes enough to provide sufficient estrogen... even if it did aromatize to a small degree, it would be so far off compared to test that it just wouldn't really be able to keep up. so over time your estrogen would still go down (just because something aromatizes does not mean its sufficient enough to maintain E levels). this is the same with EQ without test, it does not aromatize enough.


so now you have low estrogen and low DHT and low androgen levels.. not the most ideal condition for putting on muscle. and something that will eventually "feminize" you over time (DHN + progestin effects).
note: this is why Deca is a very female friendly steroid (its basically an anti androgen .. and androgens are what give all the bad sides for women)

so I'm not against short deca only blasts . but its by no means a good idea to do long term AND your going to get more bang for your buck by adding in some androgenic and estrogenic attributes to the cycle.. I'm not saying you have to add test , but other AAS will help make Deca work better .
eg. deca + mast
deca + dbol
deca + Tren

all better then deca only imo


and as far as him saying deca is the least side effect cycle ,, well tell that to guys who are super sensitive to progestinic effects. deca for them may be the most side effect drug they could use

edit - I will note here that for some guys that are estrogen sensitive, adding too high a dosage of test can cause more side effects. deca only is more appealing for them I'm sure.. but really you could still drop the test and run something like Mast with it to at least get some androgenic effects if your running it long term

[charger69]

As far as the sides, I get the sweats worse on deca than tren and I take a pretty high dose of tren.



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[GearHeaded]

Ok I'm stumped . not sure what is going on.

so 6 months ago I was 20 or more pounds heavier and more muscular then I am right now.. I was also on 2 grams of test per week, 1 gram of tren per week, and 600mg of Mast per week (and thats after running 900mg of deca, dbol, anadrol, etc.),, and back then my blood pressure was just fine.

now I'm not eating much, I'm light and thin, and I'm barely on any gear at all and my BP is constantly 170/100.

the other night I woke up with a nose bleed that poured (not dripped) blood for 5 hours straight (filled up an entire sink,, guessing was at least 2 pints). thats basically 2 blood donations done in one shot, so I'm good in that regards for awhile and won't donate blood again for a year or more.

I've been on Atenolol (heart/bp meds) for 2 years. my BP has always been pretty in check since getting on that.

I just started up a measly 500mg of EQ and 200mg of Tren cycle.. which really shouldn't phase me compared to past cycles.

so kinda at a loss here as to what to do.. I can't lose water weight (I had just lost 25 pounds), I'm only running dry compounds with no test, my diet is fairly clean and not calorie excessive. add more BP meds ? pull the plug on the cycle (EQ and Tren have both been known to raise BP for some guys, but never have for me)?


I'm guessing the cause is stress. lots going on and lots of stress last couple months. never thought I'd have BP issues on such a mild cycle after losing weight . just seems really odd to me

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Is it possible that the lack of testosterone in your body is somehow linked? Or maybe some secondary effect of testosterone was keeping your blood pressure lower and now it’s gone?

[GearHeaded]

Is it possible that the lack of testosterone in your body is somehow linked? Or maybe some secondary effect of testosterone was keeping your blood pressure lower and now it’s gone?

yes this crossed my mind and only thought I had was estrogen as a secondary component to test, which helps keep your vascular systems elastic.. but I would think this would take months and months not weeks.
I could pin some Sustanon and see what happens. to be honest , times like this I wish I had actual pure estrogen in a bottle to pin and see what happens with just that .

ok UGLs , we need pure Estrogen suspension in a bottle ASAP !

[i_SLAM_cougars]

ok UGLs , we need pure Estrogen suspension in a bottle ASAP !

wouldn’t dianabol be a fast way to blow some estrogen into yourself?

[GearHeaded]

wouldn’t dianabol be a fast way to blow some estrogen into yourself?

absolutely .. thats why I include it above and you don't need much because its a more potent (bioavailable) form of estrogen . on this NO TEST experiment I've been popping 10mg Dbols at various times. thats how I been getting my E with no test (and libido function is through the roof)

[Family_guy]

yes this crossed my mind and only thought I had was estrogen as a secondary component to test, which helps keep your vascular systems elastic.. but I would think this would take months and months not weeks.
I could pin some Sustanon and see what happens. to be honest , times like this I wish I had actual pure estrogen in a bottle to pin and see what happens with just that .

ok UGLs , we need pure Estrogen suspension in a bottle ASAP !

Can’t you take birth control for the estrogen?

[GearHeaded]

Can’t you take birth control for the estrogen?

yes I suppose but I've heard birth control for women is as bad for your health as taking steroids

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Also if you need a test subject while you’re trying to figure this all out...

[GearHeaded]

Also if you need a test subject while you’re trying to figure this all out...

1000 mg of EQ
400 mg of Tren
75mcg per day T4
10mg Dbol pre workout
No test

thats it. very simple. think the combo (which is not popular) can be super effective

edit - notice I'm doubling your dosage of eq and tren as thats what I would have went with had I been on point with my diet and training and not recovering from injury and other BS

[i_SLAM_cougars]

1000 mg of EQ
400 mg of Tren
75mcg per day T4
10mg Dbol pre workout
No test

thats it. very simple. think the combo (which is not popular) can be super effective

edit - notice I'm doubling your dosage of eq and tren as thats what I would have went with had I been on point with my diet and training and not recovering from injury and other BS

I’m game for trying this at some point

[GearHeaded]

10mg of dbol is not going to provide the kind of steady levels of E2 as a constant steady dose of TRT would provide though

[charger69]

I can relate to your situation. BP on cycle was never an issue. Now I need to have The atenolol ready for the cycle.
This is why I do believe in bloods. I have seen changes in the results as I age.
Maybe it is just your body is changing.


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[Family_guy]

I can relate to your situation. BP on cycle was never an issue. Now I need to have The atenolol ready for the cycle.
This is why I do believe in bloods. I have seen changes in the results as I age.
Maybe it is just your body is changing.


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Ya maybe you getting old like these old fuggers