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Yo Ronnie, i had a couple questions about a full pct after a 20 week cycle of xtren and epol. If i can not get HCG clomid and nolvadex, would AR-R's nolvadex and clomid work? And are cycle assist,liver assit, and inhibit-e good to use after a 20 week cycle and/or while on a prohormone cycle of xtren and epol?
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stiff legged deads.... or romanian best???
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I prefer the Romanain version as they are more user friendly on the spinal disk in the lower back.Originally Posted by VASCULAR VINCE
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Anti-es alone are not optimal for restoring natural testosterone production. Their primary role is to increase LH. In fact, LH rebounds about 5 weeks earlier than testosterone in most people who do not use pct post-cycle! Therefore, using anti-es alone are not idea for restoring testicular function. For maintaining the most gains possible you will need HCG.
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Anyway any person who is going to take steroids must consult a doctor. Everybody knows that it is very dangerous!
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All steroids are not very dangerous! In fact, if you kept your hemocrit levels and blood pressure in check you could possibly stay on moderate amounts of testosterone all your adult life and live longer and be happier!
Going to a doctor would be the best route to take but many are afraid to do so. Since anabolics are now illegal in the U.S. people are afraid of either being dropped by their insurance, being lectured/judged by a doctor who is incompetent on the topic or having their employer finding out. Since the Government is not into bodybuilding (the main reason I think they made anabolics illegal because they certainly partake in their share of alcohol,tobacco, etc which is much worse) they are not going to legalize it-hence health risk amongst users are increased. If the majority of males in congress ever decide they want to use testosterone to better their health, improve libido/looks/mood, then they will make it legal. You can bet on it because it's usually all about them, "not about the people!" Until then, most will go have some blood work done 6 weeks or so post cycle on occasion and never tell their doctors they use anabolics. We have the government to thank for this. Watch the movie BIGER STRONGER FASTER and you will learn some things!
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Ronnie, what would be the best stack with test prop in order to increase endurance?
EPO is the ideal combination I guess but its sides are too dangerous, IMO.
So? What would you suggest?
Thank you
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Thank you once again Ronnie, looking forward to the next 10 weeks to see how the Test E and Eq work for me (2 weeks deload 8 weeks reload). Thanks for clearing up the time off for the PCT also.
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need some help
Hello,
I don't know if this is the right place to post my message, but since I am a bit at a loss, could one of you please reply to me? I am a French guy, with some (slight) extra-weight, and I've been told that "Clenbuterol" is a medecine that can help me lose a few pounds without starving myself. Maybe I shouldn't say this to bodybuilders, but my work doesn't leave me any time to do sport, so I am looking for a way to lose weight rapidly (anything except surgery).
Recently, I ordered a box of "Clenbuterol" on www.***********.com. I've been testing it for two days now. My problem is that some people have posted warning messages on several websites, saying that ***********.com only sell fakes. Could you please tell me if what they say is true? This website looks very serious, so I suppose "***********" should be serious as well, but I am not used to buying this kind of pills... and I would just like to have your advice, since most of you seem to be professionals of bodybuilding.
Is it normal that I haven't experienced any physical effects? In fact, although I've been taking two pills three times a day, I don't feel anything...
Many thanks,
Joel.
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Apparently, names of websites do not appear on posts... I ordered my clen pills from this very website.
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If you ordered clen from this site it should work well but you are right in that this is not the thread to be asking such a question. Its for hardcore bodybuilder's not for people who do not train.
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Hi Ronnie!
This is my first post in this forum, I've been checking out this forum for a while and learn a lot of stuff, based on what I read from your threads, I feel that you truly have a lot of experiences and knowledge! I really wish to learn from you!
I've have cycled a few times, my experiences with AAS are, Test Prop, Test Enanth, Sustanon, Tren Acetate (I don't like this one, only last 4 weeks then I stopped due to constantly being in bad mood and full of anger), Dbol, and few other OTC Designer Steroids (MDrol, P-Plex, etc, etc).
My first question is, the dosages that you recommend here seems very high to me (i.e 750mg-1000mg of test), based on your experience with yourself and your friends, do many of them have pretty bad acne breakout and puff up nipple with such dosing?
From my experiences with cycling AAS, the only side effect that I always experienced are messed up skin (because of acne), and puffy nipples (no lumps, no itchiness, no pain, just puff up and pointy).
Based on what I've read in many forums, some people recommends Nizoral 2% Ketoconazole Shampoo for destroying DHT in the skin, but to avoid oral ketoconazole form, and/or anti-biotics cause it might hinder gains, I'm trying the shampoo on my body right now, but since I'm on pct with clomid and nolva, and still popping acne worse than when I was on cycle, I suspect this acne is cause by something else other than DHT which I dunno what, and I dunno how to keep it under control.
With the puffy nips, many people recommend taking adex, although i read some threads regarding puffy nips, people who takes adex says it doesn't help even though they have very low bodyfat percentage, their nipps will still be puffed up. I haven't tried adex, but I'm currently on nolva and it sure does not reduce the puffyness at all.
What do you recommend for me to address these two problems, because I'm kinda embarassed to take off my shirt, don't want to bring unnecessary suspicion that shows I'm on AAS because of my body acne and puff up nips when I take off my shirt?
I want to start a new cycle in a few months time, and I want to use your slingshot method, I really want to avoid too much acne and pointy nips, so I was thinking of doing low dose of test + low dose of deca for the first reload and low dose of test + low dose of deca + low dose of dbol for the second reload.
My cycle layout:
Sustanon or Test Enanth
Week 1-8 = 250mg/week (1st Reload)
Week 9-10 = 250mg/week (1st Deload)
Week 11-18 = 250mg/week (2nd Reload)
Week 19-20 = 250mg/week (2nd Deload)
Deca
Week 1-8 = 240mg/week (1st Reload)
Week 9-10 = None (1st Deload)
Week 11-18 = 240mg/week (2nd Reload)
Week 19-20 = None (2nd Deload)
Dbol
Week 1-8 = None (1st Reload)
Week 9-10 = None (1st Deload)
Week 11-18 = 20mg/day (2nd Reload)
Week 19-20 = None (2nd Deload)
The reason why I decide such low dose is first because, I'm not looking for instant muscle gratification, I don't mind slow and steady continuous gain, I will try to maximize on my training, nutrition and rest instead of relying on too much of anabolics, and second I want to minimize visible sides as well (the acne and the pointy nips problem).
Thank you for reading Ronnie, and look forward in hearing your input. Sorry if my post is too long, since i'm new here and this is my first post, I feel I have a more to clarify about my background so you could give more accurate advice.
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is taking just dianabol anabol good or what else should i stack it with?
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hi ronnie, i know this is irrelevant to this thread but could you tell about your experience with accutane - i know dave palumbo recommends but could you tell me any details on its benefits if any. thanks
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test...or ...deca..safer???
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Test is safer because your body produces it naturally! Here's the latest research that backs up what I have been saying regarding the use of higher dosages of testosterone to make further gains.
Nandrolone eleven times more damaging to blood vessels than testosterone
Nandrolone kills the blood vessel lining at a concentration eleven times lower than that at which testosterone kills them. Researchers from the University of L’Aquila in Italy discovered this in laboratory tests on human cells.
Heavy and long-term use of anabolic steroids such as testosterone and nandrolone increases the chance of fatal heart failure, and even more so when combined with recreational drugs like cocaine.
There are several theories, which do not exclude each other, as to why anabolic steroids have this effect. The most well known is that anabolic steroids make the heart muscle grow, sometimes to deadly proportions. This effect doesn’t set in after a single course of supplements, or even after a heavy dosage, but only after prolonged use. The chance of the heart muscle becoming enlarged increases even more when anabolic steroids are used in combination with human growth hormone.
Anabolic steroids also have an immediate effect on heart and blood vessels. In high concentrations they kill heart cells and produce blood clots. These tiny, almost invisible clots can cut tissue from the blood vessel lining.
Another negative effect of androgens is that they cause blood vessels to narrow (stenosis). Even the very mild DHEA is known to do this in some experiments.
In all these processes the endothelial cells lining the blood vessels are the key factor. Anabolic steroids harden these cells, which causes higher blood pressure. This in turn causes enlargement of the heart muscle. The hardened cells are also more susceptible to blood clots.
This is the background of the Italian study. The researchers exposed endothelial cells to testosterone, the testosterone precursor androstenedione, and two precursors of nandrolone. They then recorded the concentration at which half of the cells stopped growing. The results are presented below.
The more an anabolic steroid reduces growth of blood vessel cells, the more dangerous the anabolic steroid is for the heart and blood vessels. Nandrolone is much more damaging than testosterone, as the figure above shows.
Norandrostenediol on the other hand turns out to be surprisingly mild. [Maybe the stuff is a SARM after all – red.] The graphs below show the effect of testosterone [blue], nandrolone [black] and norandrostenediol [green] on the growth and development of the endothelium cells. Nandrolone has a much greater effect on cells then testosterone.
The anabolic steroids increase the concentration of calcium in the cell, the researchers found. Cellular calcium activates suicide enzymes.
"According to these findings, we suggest that the observed endothelial alterations may be considered as events predisposing to serious damage at the cell vasculature level", the Italian researchers write.
Most heavy anabolic steroids used in chemical bodybuilding are based on testosterone, not nandrolone. As you can see from this Italian research, that’s not such a bad idea at all.
Source:
Toxicol Lett. 2007 Mar 8; 169(2):129-36.
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Thanks a lot for the warm welcome and the comprehensive answer Ronnie! When you mentioned winstrol might be a better choice for me, do you mean to use it standalone? or i should still stack it with some test?
After reading that last post of yours, I kinda wonder what is your preferred compound to stack with Testosterone other than Nandrolones? What about EQ instead? Is it safe to say that EQ is less damaging to the body compare to Deca, or actually worse?
Also if you don't mind, could you send me PM showing an example of your most favourite cycle you've ever done. Number and type of compounds used, the length of the cycle, and dosing. **Actually after looking around I couldn't figure out where is the PM feature on this site, lol.. I feel so stupid.. could you help me out on how to use the PM in this site**
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I've never used it personally but I know of a few people who had to get on it due to severe acne break outs. It works well for controlling acne but I would avoid it if at all possible because it can decrease sex drive and make you feel bad.
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You'll need to add test to either drug.
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hi ronnie, ive finished my first 8 weeks of sus deca and dbol and im gonna start my 2 week downregulation but i was wondering whether using hcg in my next 8 week phase would be wise, or should it be left for pct after the entire 20 week cycle. because im taking high levels of test for essentially quite a long period of time i thought hcg maybe required as aprt of the cycle itself aswell as the pct.
also could you advise me how to cycle accutane - i know youve never used it personally but i thought you may know on how to use it for full effectiveness - i heard it can make your acne worse before it gets better after 5 months.
i really appreciate your advice.
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Hi Ron, I just read your post here twice and I have a q for you. Could you do this sort of blast (reload for 8 weeks then deload for 2) with the oral PH epistane or would it be unsafe and why? If not, how long could I reload on it before I did my deload? I ask because I know orals are worse on your system. I have some epi on hand right now, so it would be great to hear your advice. During the deload should I or would it be neccessary/beneficial to PCT with nolva and something like PCT assist? If not, what would you recommend? Thanks very much, this is a great post.
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At the end of the 20 weeks (2 reloads and 2 deloads) you advise to do a full PCT. How long should i pct for and with what products and what amounts? All ive ever used for pct is nolva and pct assist, but i would like to hear your opinion. Also, how should i dose the epi throughout the 20 weeks? Ive done 1 prior cycle of h- DROL 50,50,75,75,75,75 with great results in IMO, i weigh 190 at 5,7, been lifting for 12 years if you need to know. What should i do if I develop signs of gyno? Cease use, add in nolva?? Im not sure here. Im just doing my h-work, as im a member of prohormoneforum, and all those guys over there say never to exceed 4 weeks on epi, why do they say that? Are they just freaked out? Thanks so much Ron
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Thanks so much for the input Ron. Your help is greatly appreciated. As for the dosages you recommended, I only have 2 bottles of epi which dosed at your recommended 30/day, would only last the 1st 8 week reload. However, I also have 2 bottles of m14add, so could I use that for my 2nd reload? Which compound would be optimal 1st and which 2nd, and at what dosages for each? Also, would I still see good results in lean mass and strength with this 20 week blast if I am on a cutting diet (reduced carb, increased protein and healthy fats)?? I only consume 1750 cals a day 40p 40f 20c, or should i alter this and how?? Is hcg only injectable, or can i take it orally? I am trying to avoid pinning for personal life reasons Is there something else that could take its place ? Thank you very much Ron
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Thanks so much for the input Ron. Your help is greatly appreciated. As for the dosages you recommended, I only have 2 bottles of epi which dosed at your recommended 30/day, would only last the 1st 8 week reload. However, I also have 2 bottles of m14add, so could I use that for my 2nd reload? Which compound would be optimal 1st and which 2nd, and at what dosages for each? Also, would I still see good results in lean mass and strength with this 20 week blast if I am on a cutting diet (reduced carb, increased protein and healthy fats)?? I only consume 1750 cals a day 40p 40f 20c, or should i alter this and how?? Is hcg only injectable, or can i take it orally? I am trying to avoid pinning for personal life reasons Is there something else that could take its place ? Thank you very much Ron
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Hey, read your thread with great interest and this is a good oppertunity to ask someone who really knows, not just the "guys" at the gym
I have not done a cycle for 10 years, I am 33 now and have been off and on training for a longer period. 2 years off now due to insane working hours and traveling. Quit that job and now have the time to workout again. However, during the time working I have gained som kg's, weighing in at 97kg now and 183cm tall. My ideal weight is 79/80. I have now been at the gym for 2months and are back in the game somewhat. Serious with the workouts, and gaining good results. Most shocking is that now, I am stronger then before
However, the reason for me to write here is this. I want to kick it off with a cycle. Get a boost in my search for a leaner and better body. I will never wish again to be as big as I have been when I was younger, but I want a smooth, lean body. So I have figured this out:
week 1 - 8 400mg Primobolan EW
week 1 - 8 250mg Test E/C ew
week 2 - 8 40mg Winstrol ED
week 8 - 12 20mg Nolvadex ed
week 16 bloodsamples
This because I want to diet for 10 weeks, 2 post cycle and under cycle. I dont want to be bloat, I dont want to grow much, just a little bit. I want a firm, hard body. I want little to none side effects, thus, trying to reduce the dosage. I also want a cycle that keeps the gains, not gainging 15kg's and pissing out 75% after cycle. I rather gain 2 - 4kg muscle weight and keep it.
So if you have the time. What do you think of the cycle??
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answer above in bold.hey, read your thread with great interest and this is a good oppertunity to ask someone who really knows, not just the "guys" at the gym
i have not done a cycle for 10 years, i am 33 now and have been off and on training for a longer period. 2 years off now due to insane working hours and traveling. Quit that job and now have the time to workout again. However, during the time working i have gained som kg's, weighing in at 97kg now and 183cm tall. My ideal weight is 79/80. I have now been at the gym for 2months and are back in the game somewhat. Serious with the workouts, and gaining good results. Most shocking is that now, i am stronger then before
however, the reason for me to write here is this. I want to kick it off with a cycle. Get a boost in my search for a leaner and better body. I will never wish again to be as big as i have been when i was younger, but i want a smooth, lean body. So i have figured this out:
Week 1 - 8 400mg primobolan ew
week 1 - 8 250mg test e/c ew
week 2 - 8 40mg winstrol ed
week 8 - 12 20mg nolvadex ed
week 16 bloodsamples (you need to do a 20 week cycle because an 8 week cycle is not optimal)!
this because i want to diet for 10 weeks, 2 post cycle and under cycle. I dont want to be bloat, i dont want to grow much, just a little bit. I want a firm, hard body. I want little to none side effects, thus, trying to reduce the dosage. I also want a cycle that keeps the gains, not gainging 15kg's and pissing out 75% after cycle. I rather gain 2 - 4kg muscle weight and keep it.
So if you have the time. What do you think of the cycle??
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Wow, so 8 weeks on the given cycle is to little? Do I really need to stack for 20 weeks, or did I missunderstand you now?
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You read right! Go with 20 weeks.
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Ok! Thanks, real nice that you take your time answering!! Legend!
PS! What about your opening post;
KEEP ANABOLIC STEROID CYCLES/PRO-HORMONE CYCLES AT 8 WEEKS!
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im pretty new to the steroid world and have tried anavar. I am currently on my third time and would like to know what is the max length to stay on it? I do have a thyroid problem and would like to add clen to my routine but am scared how it will aftect that. Do you know how this will interact with fertility also later down the road? Also primo...what are your thoughts? thanx
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I would not risk clen with a thyroid problem! Talk to a doctor before going that route just to be safe.
You can run var for a lengthy period of time without any problems. I woud start with a 20 week slingshot beginners cycle with a var only if thats what you are dead set on using, then do a full pct. Any anabolic can interfere with fertility. This is why so many run HCG. Primo, like var is best for females but it works some for males. Test is Best for males!
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This slingshot method works!! Im glad i got my gear 2 weeks before ronnie posted this thread. Im only doing 7week reload and 2 week deload. Since this is also my 1st cycle i started with 400mg testE weekly and bridged for the deload on the first phase. 2nd phase is 600mg 7 weeks then bridge again. 3rd and last phase will be 800mg 7 weeks and then full PCT of nolva and clomid. I've been taking nolva 5mg ED and finasteride 2mg ED since day one. Im gaining at the rate of 1pound a week so far and have become more vascular. Everytime i go i add more weight to my exercises. I was a bit skeptical about the deload phase but it really seemed to make me more vascular with the lighter weights and higher reps. The deload timing was perfect for the muscles to recup. Body felt fresh and rested for phase#2. The vascularity has stayed now that im lifting heavy again in the reload phase#2. Im 11 weaks in.
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