MuscleScience's Iron Lab

[MuscleScience]

Wow MS, you weren’t fking around! Lol. Awesome w/o man!

Haha, nope! Going to be even worse tomorrow. It will be leg day!

[NACH3]

Your back and bi w looks good with the rep range see what you can do when your mind is in the right place!!! Well done

[hammerheart]

Yeah, your clinching or straining to one side mostly. When I was grinding my teeth real bad at night and in the gym. I would get this on occasion. Of course you may have to start or bells palsey but I suspect If it’s only happening in the gym, that’s the culprit.

Either when squeezing the last reps out of my arse or when otherwise under nervous tension (ie. obs-level pissed off), so I guess it's purely a benign CNS phenomenon.

[marcus300]

Either when squeezing the last reps out of my arse or when otherwise under nervous tension (ie. obs-level pissed off), so I guess it's purely a benign CNS phenomenon.

lmfao hahahaha

[Obs]

Either when squeezing the last reps out of my arse or when otherwise under nervous tension (ie. obs-level pissed off), so I guess it's purely a benign CNS phenomenon.

Never been pissed off in my life, you Italian salami fondling cork soaker!

[MuscleScience]

Leg day:

Welp, I think it’s just not in the cards for me to squat. Was going good was going up in weight nicely and then my right upper quad popped. Fucking A I’m frustrated with my body not responding, especially with my legs. My body is fighting me tooth and nail to not get into shape.

Wish I had something to report. Shoulders and cardio tomorrow I hope.

[OdinsOtherSon]

Leg day:

Welp, I think it’s just not in the cards for me to squat. Was going good was going up in weight nicely and then my right upper quad popped. Fucking A I’m frustrated with my body not responding, especially with my legs. My body is fighting me tooth and nail to not get into shape.

Wish I had something to report. Shoulders and cardio tomorrow I hope.

Damn MS, hate to hear it man. You’re having multi issues from the waist down. At some you’ll have to have that seen about.


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[MuscleScience]

Damn MS, hate to hear it man. You’re having multi issues from the waist down. At some you’ll have to have that seen about.


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Just took a hot epson salt bath, that seemed to help take the knot out of it a bit. It doesn’t hurt too bad. I think it’s time that I work from the bottom again. More deep squats, overhead squats, front squats and such to help get my hip mobility and trunk stability back up. Just have to be smart about it and probably do legs more than once a week now. Less volume each workout and more stimulation.

[kelkel]

Leg day:

Welp, I think it’s just not in the cards for me to squat. Was going good was going up in weight nicely and then my right upper quad popped. Fucking A I’m frustrated with my body not responding, especially with my legs. My body is fighting me tooth and nail to not get into shape.

Wish I had something to report. Shoulders and cardio tomorrow I hope.

Popped as in a muscle spasm?

[MuscleScience]

Popped as in a muscle spasm?

Popped as in I heard a loud pop and felt part of the quad move. I don’t think it’s a complete tear but it’s defiantely strained and tore some fibers. I have about a golf ball sized knot in my lateral upper thigh. Very frustrated with my legs, been a frustrating week thus far for lifting.

[OdinsOtherSon]

I just hate you’re struggling with this at the level you are. It’s bound to be extremely frustrating. I have the typical joint soreness occasionally but nothing involving muscle tissue. Very disconcerting indeed. Wishing you all the best with it MS. Please keep us up to speed with your progress and discoveries.

[OdinsOtherSon]

Back day:

4 sets wide grip pull downs

3 sets narrow grip pull downs, each set drop x2

3 sets bent over rows

3 sets hammer strength rows super set w/ incline bench narrow grip cable pull downs

3 sets shrugs

[OdinsOtherSon]

Just finished an accounting exam. Need to go back to bed after that!

[MuscleScience]

I just hate you’re struggling with this at the level you are. It’s bound to be extremely frustrating. I have the typical joint soreness occasionally but nothing involving muscle tissue. Very disconcerting indeed. Wishing you all the best with it MS. Please keep us up to speed with your progress and discoveries.

No worries man, I’ll keep plugging away. Just need to be smarter on my end about how hard I can push my body. I’m not 21 anymore lol

Just finished an accounting exam. Need to go back to bed after that!

Yuck, I don’t blame you.

[OdinsOtherSon]

I’m making an executive decision. From now until January I’m changing my w/o’s to focus more on maintenance in preparation for a planned blast in January. I’d really like an extended rest/recuperation period so that I can jump in with both feet in January.

[MuscleScience]

I’m making an executive decision. From now until January I’m changing my w/o’s to focus more on maintenance in preparation for a planned blast in January. I’d really like an extended rest/recuperation period so that I can jump in with both feet in January.

Good plan, I will probably need to pull it back. I started training in March of last year. After nearly 3 years off from the knee and being lazy and depressed lol.
I’ve really changed my body around in the last 8 months. So much so that I get complements or comments daily. Feels good to be fit again. I’ve put back on considerable amounts of size. My right quad is back to normal size and actually there is no size difference between my right thigh and calf and no surgically repaired left side.

Some things are actually better now. I never use to focus on arms or shoulders since they would passively grow with other exercises. And because my arms and shoulder for example would over respond, they would out balance the rest. It seems though that the rest of my body has caught up, as my traps and upper back have thickened out. So now that I hit arms and shoulders they are actually better than before.

It’s not all stripper glitter and fairy dust though. My BF isn’t coming down like it use too. I should be more vascular and more cut with how strict I am with my diet and how much cardio I’m doing. As everyone knows my legs are a constant source of frustration and injury. I can’t seem to get them conditioned enough. You know a year ago my knee was a huge problem. Now, it’s like nothing was ever wrong with it. Just this damn groin that came from nowhere is a constant source of frustration.

All in all, I am happy with where I am at and should be thankful I have came as far as I have in only 7-8 months time.

[OdinsOtherSon]

Good plan, I will probably need to pull it back. I started training in March of last year. After nearly 3 years off from the knee and being lazy and depressed lol.
I’ve really changed my body around in the last 8 months. So much so that I get complements or comments daily. Feels good to be fit again. I’ve put back on considerable amounts of size. My right quad is back to normal size and actually there is no size difference between my right thigh and calf and no surgically repaired left side.

Some things are actually better now. I never use to focus on arms or shoulders since they would passively grow with other exercises. And because my arms and shoulder for example would over respond, they would out balance the rest. It seems though that the rest of my body has caught up, as my traps and upper back have thickened out. So now that I hit arms and shoulders they are actually better than before.

It’s not all stripper glitter and fairy dust though. My BF isn’t coming down like it use too. I should be more vascular and more cut with how strict I am with my diet and how much cardio I’m doing. As everyone knows my legs are a constant source of frustration and injury. I can’t seem to get them conditioned enough. You know a year ago my knee was a huge problem. Now, it’s like nothing was ever wrong with it. Just this damn groin that came from nowhere is a constant source of frustration.

All in all, I am happy with where I am at and should be thankful I have came as far as I have in only 7-8 months time.

Hell ya man! That’s awesome stuff right there! Like you, I’ve had a hiatus from training for a couple years, specifically, from about 38-40 when I was placed on TRT. Ever since then, balls to the wall and I’m 43 now. You’re dead on, it feels good when the gains start coming back and people are like, “damn, what are you doing?!?”

“It’s not all stripper glitter and fairy dust...” lmfao! Same boat MS. No where near where I want to be, but light years ahead of where I’ve been. I’ve noticed that areas I used to struggle with as a 20 something are now coming on like a freight train and areas that used to be easy are now lagging. I used to be super vascular but that’s wained with age, until TRT, now I’m more vascular than I’ve ever been. I’m stronger now than at 21, by FAR. Man reading your above post was like listening to myself. You summed me pretty well!

You gotta get this groin/thigh issue resolved man. I know its definitely bothering you. That’s one reason I decided to slow things down to maintainance for a couple months. After reading your experiences, I don’t want to find myself in a similar situation, on the cusp of wanting to start a blast.

[MuscleScience]

Hell ya man! That’s awesome stuff right there! Like you, I’ve had a hiatus from training for a couple years, specifically, from about 38-40 when I was placed on TRT. Ever since then, balls to the wall and I’m 43 now. You’re dead on, it feels good when the gains start coming back and people are like, “damn, what are you doing?!?”

“It’s not all stripper glitter and fairy dust...” lmfao! Same boat MS. No where near where I want to be, but light years ahead of where I’ve been. I’ve noticed that areas I used to struggle with as a 20 something are now coming on like a freight train and areas that used to be easy are now lagging. I used to be super vascular but that’s wained with age, until TRT, now I’m more vascular than I’ve ever been. I’m stronger now than at 21, by FAR. Man reading your above post was like listening to myself. You summed me pretty well!

You gotta get this groin/thigh issue resolved man. I know its definitely bothering you. That’s one reason I decided to slow things down to maintainance for a couple months. After reading your experiences, I don’t want to find myself in a similar situation, on the cusp of wanting to start a blast.

Truth be told, I’m just starting TRT. I was having some bad symptoms and then my last MD checkup my labs were very bad. Been monitoring it since I was in my early 20’s (genetic) but I’ve resisted going on. I just don’t like the idea of anything long term and I tried to maintain as long as I can. I think the 3 year layoff, surgeries and meds probably tanked them for good. Actually the first few years I was here I never got a membership and just read about TRT. Had never cycled once in my life. Just got handed a bad stack as far as T levels go. I know how Zues feels, he was younger than me and given the freaking run around on it. I was actually doing HCG treatments for a good while, insurance paid for it at the time but they would not pay for an A.I. And my estrogen was all shitty. Finally I went off that and sat in the low 300’s in total T for years. I wasn’t really having to bad or sides at that level. Other than some fat deposition and anxiety. Which both I managed with cardio and such.

But after talking with a lot of fellas here I’m way more comfortable with TRT than I was. I got blood test in two weeks to recheck levels, I’m excited to see where I land.

[OdinsOtherSon]

Truth be told, I’m just starting TRT. I was having some bad symptoms and then my last MD checkup my labs were very bad. Been monitoring it since I was in my early 20’s (genetic) but I’ve resisted going on. I just don’t like the idea of anything long term and I tried to maintain as long as I can. I think the 3 year layoff, surgeries and meds probably tanked them for good. Actually the first few years I was here I never got a membership and just read about TRT. Had never cycled once in my life. Just got handed a bad stack as far as T levels go. I know how Zues feels, he was younger than me and given the freaking run around on it. I was actually doing HCG treatments for a good while, insurance paid for it at the time but they would not pay for an A.I. And my estrogen was all shitty. Finally I went off that and sat in the low 300’s in total T for years. I wasn’t really having to bad or sides at that level. Other than some fat deposition and anxiety. Which both I managed with cardio and such.

But after talking with a lot of fellas here I’m way more comfortable with TRT than I was. I got blood test in two weeks to recheck levels, I’m excited to see where I land.

I can’t imagine not having my trt. The only issue has been hcg, but I finally have her talked into letting me have it. It should be ready when my next refill is due. Atrophy isn’t as bad as I thought it would be after 3yrs but it’s definitely there. I would definitely suggest hoping on if it’s offered to you. It’s a game changer.

[MuscleScience]

I can’t imagine not having my trt. The only issue has been hcg, but I finally have her talked into letting me have it. It should be ready when my next refill is due. Atrophy isn’t as bad as I thought it would be after 3yrs but it’s definitely there. I would definitely suggest hoping on if it’s offered to you. It’s a game changer.

Oh yeah, not going to do it without it.

[kelkel]

On many HCG package inserts it lists Hypogonadic Hypogonadism as a use. Most docs are unaware of this.

[OdinsOtherSon]

Morning all. Hope everyone is gearing up for a great weekend. Today will be my first w/o on maintenance schedule. It will be arms and shoulders. Cheers!

[MuscleScience]

Morning all. Hope everyone is gearing up for a great weekend. Today will be my first w/o on maintenance schedule. It will be arms and shoulders. Cheers!

Morning Od, some here arms and shoulders that is. And an hour it HIIT if my leg will take it

[OdinsOtherSon]

Morning Od, some here arms and shoulders that is. And an hour it HIIT if my leg will take it

Hope it holds out for you MS. I’m wondering if trt wouldn’t help that situation??

[MuscleScience]

Hope it holds out for you MS. I’m wondering if trt wouldn’t help that situation??

Should help me repair better than I have been. At least that’s my hope lol

[MuscleScience]

Shoulders and arms today.

Warmup: battle ropes, SITs exercises, pushups

SM Shoulder press:
135x10
185x10
185x10
205x5
225x3
135x15 burn outs

DB flies: strict form straight into pushups
3WS at 25lbs
3WS push-ups 20-30


DB bicep curls:
3 WS at 30lbs

DB French press:
70x10
80x10
90x10

EZ curl bar super set:
Bicep curls 3WS 75lb x10
Incline skull crushers 3WS 75x10
Close grip press 3WS 75x10

DB Hammer curls cross body:
2ws 25x10
1ws 30x10

DB Hammer Curls regular:
3WS 25x10

DB Lateral raise into 45 degree raise into rear delt

4 WS 15lbs x15 for all three exercises.

CC lower pulley front raises: straight into push downs
3WS 20lbs

High pulley tri pressdowns:
3WS 40x10

Bicep burnouts:
20lb dB to failure

Cardio: 45 min HIIT followed by 15min stair stepper.

Comments:
Another brutal workout, I had to catchup on my cardio and some other things since my back workout on Tuesday killed and I hurt my quad on squats. Cardio actually went ok with my quad. I wrapped it pretty tight and it didn’t bother it much. I had a massive massive pump, which was the way I designed it. It appears I’m finally starting to lean out as my vascularity is coming in good. Again I should be much leaner and vascular at this point but I guess as we age it doesn’t bounce back like it use too.

[MuscleScience]

Off day today:

Feel pretty good today actually. I was one hurting unit after yesterday’s workout and cardio session. The cardio really seemed to help my quad loosen up, I barely noticed it today.

I had someone say to me today at the gym. “I think it’s funny that a big ass bodybuilder like yourself is eating candy.” That felt pretty good to hear.

For context the gym I workout at had a trick or treat thing and I was helping out. Some of the kids gave me candy and I was eating one little starburst candy

[hollowedzeus]

Helping out as in helping eat the sweets or providing the sweets? Lol

Good for you big guy

[MuscleScience]

Helping out as in helping eat the sweets or providing the sweets? Lol

Good for you big guy

Turned into a little of both.

[MuscleScience]

Another off day,

Quads felt a bit more knotted up today. So making sure I ya e
A bunch of water in me.

[MuscleScience]

Chest and tris,

Warmup: 15min b-ball, battle ropes, SITs exercises.

Bench:
Bar work: 20 bar presses, slow controlled.
135x10
185x10
225x5
245x5
255x3
225x15

Hammer Strenght incline press.
3WS at 2 plates x10

DB French press:
75x10
90x10
100x5


DB pull overs:

3WS 55lbs x10

ISO tri pressdowns:

3WS 40lbs x10-15 slow, pos and neg for very strict form:

Cardio: 15min stair stepper, 30min walk run, 15min stair stepper to finish.


Comments:

Ok workout, really working on my bench press form. Basically I’m starting over from scratch to get the mechanism and form back to perfect. Also changed my grip from a false grip to a true thumb over bar. That has been really hard transition: anyway, the weights felt good on bench. Hammer stretch press hurt my pec tendons a lot. I might drop that as an exercise all together. I did much less volume on this workout and decided to up the weight more. Hopefully that helps with recover. Incorporating heavy French press and incline skull crushers has put a tremendous amount of size on my upper triceps. It’s almost startling the difference. I went so long neglecting those movements.

Edit: Cardio was very hard to get going my legs are just not liking being pushed like this. But IDGAF I’m gonna will them into getting me where I need to be.

[RaginCajun]

Looks like you are crushing it!

[MuscleScience]

Looks like you are crushing it!

As long as it’s not a leg workout it’s going pretty good.

[OdinsOtherSon]

Legs:

3 sets squats super set with extensions. Weight was light but concentrated heavily on form and negative. It’s amazing what those two will contribute to a w/o given the opportunity. The pump was amazing and that’s something that’s been sorely lacking in my leg w/o’s for a LONG time!

3 sets leg curls, moderate weight w/ focus on form and negative

3 sets seated calf raises super set with standing calf raises, weights and form as above.

Roasted turkey on whole wheat

[MuscleScience]

Legs:

3 sets squats super set with extensions. Weight was light but concentrated heavily on form and negative. It’s amazing what those two will contribute to a w/o given the opportunity. The pump was amazing and that’s something that’s been sorely lacking in my leg w/o’s for a LONG time!

3 sets leg curls, moderate weight w/ focus on form and negative

3 sets seated calf raises super set with standing calf raises, weights and form as above.

Roasted turkey on whole wheat

Roasted turkey sounds amazin!

[OdinsOtherSon]

Roasted turkey sounds amazin!

Especially after a good wheels w/o!

[OdinsOtherSon]

Potatoes are done, chicken is coming off the grill

[MuscleScience]

Back and Bi’s

Warmup: 15 min stair stepper, battle ropes

Corner tbar row:
90x10
135x10
180x10

Lat pull downs:
60x10
70x10
70x10 with 5 hard half reps for burn outs.

Incline DB row:
65x10
65x12
65x10

DB Reverse flys:
3WS 30x10

DB shrugs:
70x10
70x15
70x20

Standing DB curls:
3WS 27.5x10

DB Hammer Curls angled out:
3WS 30x10

DB Hammer Curls normal grip:
3WS 30x10

Comments:
First day trying to get into ketosis. Up until my workout had only 30 grams of carbs all day. I decided to do less volume than my normal back day as you can see, since last week I beat my self up so bad. Workout itself felt pretty decent. When I went to do cardio on the treadmill about 6-7 mind in my right groin started to spasm uncontrollably. Normally it’s my left groin this gives me fits.

I was not able to get it to stop after stretching and such. Falling back on my muscle physiology from way back when, I figured my muscles were glycogen starved. Being that I had no carbs after an hour of cardio last night and only about 30 today. I decided to chug some gatoraid which I have in my locker on powered form. Just put one scoop which is 22 grams of carbs in 8 oz or water. That caused the spasms to stop within 5 min. Gatoraid also has salts in it so that probably helped too.

[Obs]

Back and Bi’s

Warmup: 15 min stair stepper, battle ropes

Corner tbar row:
90x10
135x10
180x10

Lat pull downs:
60x10
70x10
70x10 with 5 hard half reps for burn outs.

Incline DB row:
65x10
65x12
65x10

DB Reverse flys:
3WS 30x10

DB shrugs:
70x10
70x15
70x20

Standing DB curls:
3WS 27.5x10

DB Hammer Curls angled out:
3WS 30x10

DB Hammer Curls normal grip:
3WS 30x10

Comments:
First day trying to get into ketosis. Up until my workout had only 30 grams of carbs all day. I decided to do less volume than my normal back day as you can see, since last week I beat my self up so bad. Workout itself felt pretty decent. When I went to do cardio on the treadmill about 6-7 mind in my right groin started to spasm uncontrollably. Normally it’s my left groin this gives me fits.

I was not able to get it to stop after stretching and such. Falling back on my muscle physiology from way back when, I figured my muscles were glycogen starved. Being that I had no carbs after an hour of cardio last night and only about 30 today. I decided to chug some gatoraid which I have in my locker on powered form. Just put one scoop which is 22 grams of carbs in 8 oz or water. That caused the spasms to stop within 5 min. Gatoraid also has salts in it so that probably helped too.

I have used pickle juice. There is no science to prove ot works but it freaking works.

Nice workout. I have been running a lot of 8 exercise workouts.

[Gallowmere]

I have used pickle juice. There is no science to prove ot works but it freaking works.

Nice workout. I have been running a lot of 8 exercise workouts.

Plenty of science to back it: pickle juice is high as fuck in sodium, and electrolyte depletion is a common problem in people adjusting to keto. So, so much peeing.