Kale's Next Cycle

[Schmidty]

Dude I tend to agree with you based on the research I have done as well. But better to be safe than sorry. I have never had problems with Deca before and I am not expecting any issues now although Tren will be a new compound for me as will the drol, so I have Bromocriptine on hand just in case. I will be taking Adex so if I get gyno I can be pretty sure it is progesterone induced.

So the cycle now looks like this

Anadrol wk 1-4 100mg ED
Test E wk 1-8 750mg / week
NPP wk 1-8 75mg ED
Tren A wk 1-8 75 mg ED

That looks awsome. have fun

[pavlenko]

My next cycle is almost identical to yours! I will run it in beginning july or end of june.

Anadrol wk 1-4 100mg ED
Test pp wk 1-12 100mg / day
NPP wk 1-8 100mg ED
Tren A wk 1-8 75 mg ED

[taiboxa]

yeah, you're on a maintanance dose of test. Even on over a gram of test youd be facing erection probs with npp/anadrol and tren, i wouldnt go with anadrol in this cycle. But your choice of course. Anadrol just dosnt fit, swap with winny and yeah.. you got a cycle, throwing caution to the wind but yeah sticks to the idea of a keepable lbm gain cycle

no he wouldnt.. and neither do i.. u get more progest simulation from tren than u do from deca and the 20% stimulation from deca is NOT CUMULATIVE w/ tren.
i love anadrol w/ tren big gains very synergistic PLUS w/ tren drying him out he doesnt need win adding to the join pain + the increase in strength to add on top of it all.

ur logic and reasoning is out the window, infact anadrol and other dht's have been proven to increase libido so wat more does he need? as long as he keeps test low nothing else will aromtize and he will have no estro/progest issues to deal w/.

[taiboxa]

also i would just take a low dose of letro to downgrade progest recepts

[deadliftin00]

Dude I tend to agree with you based on the research I have done as well. But better to be safe than sorry. I have never had problems with Deca before and I am not expecting any issues now although Tren will be a new compound for me as will the drol, so I have Bromocriptine on hand just in case. I will be taking Adex so if I get gyno I can be pretty sure it is progesterone induced.

I suspected it would be bromo. I will probably also keep some on hand next time I do nandro, but I'm guessing if 400 a week and 20mg of nolva didn't produce progestin gyno, that I'm all set.

[Kale]

also i would just take a low dose of letro to downgrade progest recepts

Tai, would Adex be OK instead of Letro in this case ?

[guest589745]

skullsmasher, would Adex be OK instead of Letro in this case ?

I would imagine so, yes.

[Kale]

I would imagine so, yes.

OK OK I am just as happy with your advice

[marcus300]

What are your goals for the cycle Kale?

[Kale]

What are your goals for the cycle Kale?

My goal is at least 8-10 kg weight gain and that is pretty much it.

[marcus300]

My goal is at least 8-10 kg weight gain and that is pretty much it.

All the best with it, lets us all know how you get on.

[Kale]

I started the cycle last Monday but I backed off the doses a bit

Abombs 50mg ED
Tren A 50mg ED
NPP 75mg ED
Test E 65mg ED

This is the end of the first week. No sides what so ever so far although I had a massive dose of the shits on Wednesday night and basically ate nothing on Thursday, think it was due to a big influx of oats into my diet.

Today is Friday and I have put on 4.5lb this week. My weight has been very stable for the last four months so its definitely kicking in already.

Good news is the shots dont hurt at all either.

[SMAN12b]

Great start Kale...keep us posted and good luck with it!

[skipp]

Good luck, keep us updated!

I've always not been a fan of tren + deca, just from a friends prog gyno experience.. But I'd love for you to prove it wrong, so I could give it a go sooner or later..

[Swifto]

Tai, would Adex be OK instead of Letro in this case ?

Arimidex doesnt posses (how can I put this...) any anti-progestenic activity like Letro does. Maybe Letro would be a better choice due to this. I dont know what works for you?

I'd also be inclined to keeping some Cabergoline on hand.

[Mighty Joe]

I started the cycle last Monday but I backed off the doses a bit

Abombs 50mg ED
Tren A 50mg ED
NPP 75mg ED
Test E 65mg ED

This is the end of the first week. No sides what so ever so far although I had a massive dose of the shits on Wednesday night and basically ate nothing on Thursday, think it was due to a big influx of oats into my diet.

Today is Friday and I have put on 4.5lb this week. My weight has been very stable for the last four months so its definitely kicking in already.

Good news is the shots dont hurt at all either.

Is that Test E? or did you mean test Prop?

[Titleist]

Looks good. Keep us updated Kale.

Good Luck.

[juicy_brucy]

Dude I will be doing Test so no limp dick, and no harsh recovery because I dont ever recover. I am on HRT for life. And as for Progesterone Gyno I have stuff to deal with that if it becomes an issue

You and I are almost the exact same age... And we are running very similar cycles... i too did over a gram of test a week in a cycle, and felt nothing... I like lower doeses as well.

[Mighty Joe]

You and I are almost the exact same age... And we are running very similar cycles... i too did over a gram of test a week in a cycle, and felt nothing... I like lower doeses as well.

Me too! Age wise that is! Starting a cycle very similar to Kales in a few short weeks as well.. Then the plan is go TRT!!!

MJ

[Kale]

Arimidex doesnt posses (how can I put this...) any anti-progestenic activity like Letro does. Maybe Letro would be a better choice due to this. I dont know what works for you?

I'd also be inclined to keeping some Cabergoline on hand.

Dont worry dude I have a bucket full of it on hand

[Kale]

Is that Test E? or did you mean test Prop?

Yes dude thats Test E. I figured I would just shoot it with everything else

[GHO5T]

Nice cycle kale, looking forward to see the end results. So keep us updated on how things go.

Best of luck to you on reaching your goal(s) for the cycle.

~GHO5T~

[Kale]

Nice cycle kale, looking forward to see the end results. So keep us updated on how things go.

Best of luck to you on reaching your goal(s) for the cycle.

~GHO5T~

Thanks dude but somehow I doubt I will end up looking as good as you

[Valac]

ea cycle ive done i have actually tappered up on the test from 125 up to 500 week somethin like this:
125
250
500
500
500
500
500
500
500
250 - pct

worked wonders for me i gained 15kg last time and lost bout 2kg from water. after i lost another 3kg from doin cardio which bought my bf% a lil lower which i was happy
Good luck with ya cycle kale

[taiboxa]

if u run arimidex inplace of letro i would suggest dostinex(cabergoline) for sure other wise u might be breastfeeding urself w/ ur own tits.

[taiboxa]

ea cycle ive done i have actually tappered up on the test from 125 up to 500 week somethin like this:
125
250
500
500
500
500
500
500
500
250 - pct

worked wonders for me i gained 15kg last time and lost bout 2kg from water. after i lost another 3kg from doin cardio which bought my bf% a lil lower which i was happy
Good luck with ya cycle kale

nah w/ long ester and pyramidding is not ideal it just means far more blood level plasma fluctuations and more sides are induced. best method is to frontload, get blood levels to their peak and keep them there.

[Kale]

if u run arimidex inplace of letro i would suggest dostinex(cabergoline) for sure other wise u might be breastfeeding urself w/ ur own tits.

Tai what does this mean ? You dont think Adex will be enough ?

[ginkobulloba]

good luck bro...

have a good cycle!

[taiboxa]

Tai what does this mean ? You dont think Adex will be enough ?

***ends on several factors.. if u keep ur test arount TRT dosage (200-250mg/wk) then i dont think there will enuff estrogen in your system to cause a problem (imo keeping test low works better than relying on AI's to control your estrogen). otherwise you will need some dostinex or bromo to prevent your progest/prolact issues. this is from personal experience, you might be a lucky one and have no worries.

[yarakefendi]

i dont think it is a good idea 2 mix nandrolone and tren?

[Kale]

i dont think it is a good idea 2 mix nandrolone and tren?

Why not?

[taiboxa]

Why not?

yeah im curious too, kuz i have done it MANY times w/ great success

[Kale]

I am going to up the abombs from 50mg to 100mg ED as so far no sides and I want to get the most out of them and the research shows 100mg is optimal. I am going to do 50mg twice a day. Any comments ?

[fLgAtOr]

I am going to up the abombs from 50mg to 100mg ED as so far no sides and I want to get the most out of them and the research shows 100mg is optimal. I am going to do 50mg twice a day. Any comments ?

Can't comment on the 100mg dosage...But I know that 50mg wasn't enough.

100 will be my next dose.

[Mighty Joe]

Kale,

Any of the typical Tren issues? Night Sweats, insomnia?

I started my cycle today as well.

Wish me luck bro,

MJ

[Kale]

Kale,

Any of the typical Tren issues? Night Sweats, insomnia?

I started my cycle today as well.

Wish me luck bro,

MJ

Nothing so far dude. I just uped the Tren to 70mg ED as well. Its always fvcking hot here so it would be hard to tell the difference between night sweats and normal sweating. No Insomenia. I am feeling pretty good. I am a bit edgy but I have a lot of work issues going on at the moment so its probably that.

Good luck with the Tren dude. Let us know how you go.

[Kale]

Well the sides are kicking in now. Sweats, BP is up to 140/80 which is a worry, not sure what to do about that. The big pain in the ass is shortness of breath, I had this in my last cycle as well. Really shallow breathing as well. Might have to review the doses at the end of the week.

[SMAN12b]

Well the sides are kicking in now. Sweats, BP is up to 140/80 which is a worry, not sure what to do about that. The big pain in the ass is shortness of breath, I had this in my last cycle as well. Really shallow breathing as well. Might have to review the doses at the end of the week.

Thats exactly how I was with Tren too Kale. Had to take a nap after tryin to put my socks on.....sex became a chore.....lolol

[Kale]

Thats exactly how I was with Tren too Kale. Had to take a nap after tryin to put my socks on.....sex became a chore.....lolol

OK well I am glad its not just me. Did your BP go up ? If so what did you do about it. Its about as high as its ever been on a cycle and if it goes higher I will need to do something about it

[Mighty Joe]

OK well I am glad its not just me. Did your BP go up ? If so what did you do about it. Its about as high as its ever been on a cycle and if it goes higher I will need to do something about it

Maybe it was a bit too soon to up the Tren to 70mgs/ed. But the beauty of Tren is its half life! Those ED shots allow you to make dose adjustments daily until you get it tweaked in!

keep us posted.