Are these before and after photos real??

[RoaringMad Mac]

I have been talking to Ronnie for a couple of weeks now. Let me begin by saying I honestly believe he is as real as they come.

What I don't understand from some of you is the fact that this is some sort of marketing plow. There is no link to a website of him asking to buy something. Of course one day when his book comes out that will have to be sold. You can either buy it or not your choice but wouldn't it be something that if you did the program and then gotten the gains you wanted and where able to say you did this program of his before it was even a book and could attest to the fact that it does work.

He is not trying to sell anything. He is not asking for money to train people. He is actually using his time to help others. I can name several supposed Guru's who's ultimate goal is to sell something. Be it Protein or steroids. I have not seen Ronnie do that.

There are several reasons some people do not show their faces on the INTERNET. I think you can understand why they don't. Maybe he will post again some pics later.

Like Ronnie stated before as well, he did not reinvent the wheel. I think he is freely giving his time to help others realize a better and safer way to train. I so often read in bodybuilding boards where people go so overboard and end up with all sort of injuries. This is a way to get away from that. It is ultimately used to keep your ass in the gym rather than over train and skip several weeks to months because you burned out and it became more like work and you did not enjoy it. So many of you think you are so hard core but will one day realize this is a life think not I need to get it as quickly as possible.

Yes, this is I think my 3rd post but I have been around here lurking for a long......time. Hope this post did not piss to many of you off.

[naturalsux]

I have been talking to Ronnie for a couple of weeks now. Let me begin by saying I honestly believe he is as real as they come.

What I don't understand from some of you is the fact that this is some sort of marketing plow. There is no link to a website of him asking to buy something. Of course one day when his book comes out that will have to be sold. You can either buy it or not your choice but wouldn't it be something that if you did the program and then gotten the gains you wanted and where able to say you did this program of his before it was even a book and could attest to the fact that it does work.

He is not trying to sell anything. He is not asking for money to train people. He is actually using his time to help others. I can name several supposed Guru's who's ultimate goal is to sell something. Be it Protein or steroids. I have not seen Ronnie do that.

There are several reasons some people do not show their faces on the INTERNET. I think you can understand why they don't. Maybe he will post again some pics later.

Like Ronnie stated before as well, he did not reinvent the wheel. I think he is freely giving his time to help others realize a better and safer way to train. I so often read in bodybuilding boards where people go so overboard and end up with all sort of injuries. This is a way to get away from that. It is ultimately used to keep your ass in the gym rather than over train and skip several weeks to months because you burned out and it became more like work and you did not enjoy it. So many of you think you are so hard core but will one day realize this is a life think not I need to get it as quickly as possible.

Yes, this is I think my 3rd post but I have been around here lurking for a long......time. Hope this post did not piss to many of you off.

well said!

[Merc..]

So you are doing well with this Moush ..

Merc.

[moush]

yea Merc I absolutely love the program! I have never made strength gains like this ever! And although i was looking a little fatter during the blast phase I lost the fat during the next prime. I am about to hit another blast coming Monday so we can really see what happens then! I think a lot of people would be suprised but this program..

[RoaringMad Mac]

I think Ronnie is about to dispell some of this moush.

[Ronnie Rowland]

I edited my first post and put up some face pictures..I'll post some more if there's any doubts!

[UberSteroids]

I have been using the STS training. It is a very good system IMO.
My gains were decent, jumped from 239-242 up to current 252-254 lbs.
Took me about two months. Of course I did gain little fat I am sure, plus extra water weight, but it is the most RAPID weight gain I've ever experienced in my short four year lifting exeperience.

I am really glad Guru gave it out to the public, all nicely explained and broken down to every little detail.

Especially for people like myself, with very little experience and still trying to find my perfect program, well the Slinghot was a HUGE help, saved me so much time and energy. Thats for sure.

I am still tweaking the STS a bit as I get better results from training each body part twice a week.

Guru has been helping me with this as well.

About the whole selling idea, well he never asked for a $1.

I can understand it though, at first I was suprized too, why would ANYONE spend so much time and energy posting, explaining, reviewing and writing PMs for nothing in return.

Definitely something UNUSUAL to do.

For guys that still don't have their workout system figured out, I think it is a very good idea to try this one out, and tweak it as needed.

Thanks a lot fellas.

[dav1dg90]

wow what can you say wow man great job

[Ronnie Rowland]

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[texasmk4]

you're looking GOOD if its really you

[JSola]

........maybe im wrong, my apologies. you cant get that mad at me trying to protect our forum though. If there's nothing being sold well then..........alright.

[Ajc330]

........maybe im wrong, my apologies. you cant get that mad at me trying to protect our forum though. If there's nothing being sold well then..........alright.

you just came here a month ago lol like this is your home.. i haven't been here long either and you should bow down to this man for actually taking the time to help people like you

[SMCengineer]

I popped my tendon doing rest-pause training (never again)!!!

Damnit, I just got into rest-pause training.

[thetank]

i understand why the initial contraversy. it sounded like a sales pitch and i understand why. its not every day you meet a jacked up dude willing to hand out advice for free that people pay in spades for on the internet, let alone be so enthused about it.
but everything aside, slingshot training guru, you have made a crazy transformation, and are lookin freakish. nice job man, keep kickin ass.
peace
tank

[Ronnie Rowland]

i understand why the initial contraversy. it sounded like a sales pitch and i understand why. its not every day you meet a jacked up dude willing to hand out advice for free that people pay in spades for on the internet, let alone be so enthused about it.
but everything aside, slingshot training guru, you have made a crazy transformation, and are lookin freakish. nice job man, keep kickin ass.
peace
tank

Thanks tank! And if that's your picture in the avatar, the name fits you well.

[Garnelek]

Having read the STS program i found it very well standing.
1.We all now that as a bbr u have to go through these 3 faces in order to avoid hitting a plat,year long.
2.5 day split is the absolute best
3.I have used the dieting and then back to normall many times and found it really effective
4.I don't see anything 4 sale
That said i think i ll give a shot with the slingshot.

[RoaringMad Mac]

Wel I am glad that is starting to get cleared up.

[stacked566]

heyyyy its mac!!! good to see you here buddy

[RoaringMad Mac]

LOL, Me and you need to talk buddy. LOL

[jackjackson]

Nice,

[Dog-Slime]

Looking good bro. Gonna read up on this slingshot training right now.

[SdiZZle]

Yo Guru, I really want to give this system a shot, did you see my post at the end of your sticky in the workouts forum? This makes a ton of sence to me and I would love a "Guru" to tap into for advice!

[SdiZZle]

heres a copy of that post

Ok Guru-

Everything here seems to make a lot of sence. I ran my first cycle of AAS and my last shot is this week. I would really like to implement your training program, but I don't know if I have the money to stay on AAS as you say "enhanced" builders should so...

after my last shot should I start the cruise phase, then transition into the anabolic prime? Should I stay with the two weeks recommended for each or stretch them out a little to cover my PCT and have my hormone levels more stable before I hit the anabloic blast? I ran 550mg Test C for a 12 week cycle and I am using Nolva/Clomid/Relacore/Myogenx pct to get my system back up and running.

I am excited to give this program a try- It seems like most of the exercises could be done in about an hour or maybe even a little less. That sounds way better then the 1 1/2 to 2 hours I'm in the gym trying to "slam" my muscles.

Work smarter not harder I guess.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=316204
^^^^
There is a link to my cycle log for all of my info. You are the man GURU.

[Ronnie Rowland]

heres a copy of that post

Ok Guru-

Everything here seems to make a lot of sence. I ran my first cycle of AAS and my last shot is this week. I would really like to implement your training program, but I don't know if I have the money to stay on AAS as you say "enhanced" builders should so...

after my last shot should I start the cruise phase, then transition into the anabolic prime? Should I stay with the two weeks recommended for each or stretch them out a little to cover my PCT and have my hormone levels more stable before I hit the anabloic blast? I ran 550mg Test C for a 12 week cycle and I am using Nolva/Clomid/Relacore/Myogenx pct to get my system back up and running.

I am excited to give this program a try- It seems like most of the exercises could be done in about an hour or maybe even a little less. That sounds way better then the 1 1/2 to 2 hours I'm in the gym trying to "slam" my muscles.

Work smarter not harder I guess.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=316204
^^^^
There is a link to my cycle log for all of my info. You are the man GURU.

Good to hear SdiZZle, I'll go check it out and provide you with a solution tommorow in the STS thread!

[Tenmoney]

I agree, I can't think of anyone that I have run across on this board that was just plain rude. (maybe a little miss informed, lol) As a matter of fact, I'm very impressed with how quick people are to admit it when they're wrong, and not hold grudges against those that correct them. It just goes to show that the common bond on this board REALLY IS to just simply help each other achieve our goals.

[JSola]

Ok, I'm a total A-hole. I read the entire slingshot program and it's really impressive. I just hate sleazy spammers on any forum, and it DID sound like a sales pitch. I feel like a dousche because I think I might try it! Sorry again.

[moush]

timtim...my gains are legit but what do i have to prove to you or anyone else on the board how about you go and check out this thread

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=297899

is that bs? i dont see your pics on this board with transformation pics like that. So ive proven myself through the pics that I can lose 100 lbs, I can gain muscle, and I can get down to 6% bf. Why cant I put on 25-30 lbs when this is the first time i have ever bulked? On a new training and diet program no less. Say what you want my numbers are legit.

[timtim]

timtim...my gains are legit but what do i have to prove to you or anyone else on the board how about you go and check out this thread

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=297899

is that bs? i dont see your pics on this board with transformation pics like that. So ive proven myself through the pics that I can lose 100 lbs, I can gain muscle, and I can get down to 6% bf. Why cant I put on 25-30 lbs when this is the first time i have ever bulked? On a new training and diet program no less. Say what you want my numbers are legit.

congragulations, your results are great. no doubt about that.

why cant you cant you gain 25 to 30 pounds in 8 weeks? basic science. im not getting into it because i dont care enough about dealing with you. no way, even with a large supply of drugs, is the body going to preferentially create 25 to 30 pounds of new muscle tissue in 8 weeks. sorry, its not that black and white and if you dont realize that and accept physiological parameters than your fooling yourself.

either way great job, not taking anything from you. you'll never see pics of me on any webpage be it myspace or anywhere. im not that stupid to reveal my identity in any way, shape, or form. you can sit there and believe i am a fat, scrawny nobody while my diet and training knowledge reflect that of someone with 2 decades of personal experience.

[Ronnie Rowland]

congragulations, your results are great. no doubt about that.

why cant you cant you gain 25 to 30 pounds in 8 weeks? basic science. im not getting into it because i dont care enough about dealing with you. no way, even with a large supply of drugs, is the body going to preferentially create 25 to 30 pounds of new muscle tissue in 8 weeks. sorry, its not that black and white and if you dont realize that and accept physiological parameters than your fooling yourself.

either way great job, not taking anything from you. you'll never see pics of me on any webpage be it myspace or anywhere. im not that stupid to reveal my identity in any way, shape, or form. you can sit there and believe i am a fat, scrawny nobody while my diet and training knowledge reflect that of someone with 2 decades of personal experience.

timtim,as you probably already know, it's not uncommon for men doing their first steroid cycle to to gain 15-30 lbs of body weight in an 8-12 week period. Slingshot Training done right mimics the Action/Reaction Factors of a first time "steroid cycle".

Think about it- when do advanced bodybuilders make their best muscle gains of the entire year? It's after doing a show! During a pre-contest phase bodybuilders will over-train with aerobics and/or under-eat. Immediately following a show they are able to put on additional muscular weight above and beyond what they possessed before dieting doen while staying relatively lean because their body is in a very receptive state. The body can’t take that kind of abuse on a frequent basis, so you must compromise by doing a "anabolic prime". It’s not what you eat, but what your body can absorb. Ask any competitive bodybuilder when they experience their biggest growth spurts and they will tell you it’s during the first 6 weeks after a competition!

[timtim]

timtim,as you probably already know, it's not uncommon for men doing their first steroid cycle to to gain 15-30 lbs of body weight in an 8-12 week period. Slingshot Training done right mimics the Action/Reaction Factors of a first time "steroid cycle".

Think about it- when do advanced bodybuilders make their best muscle gains of the entire year? It's after doing a show! During a pre-contest phase bodybuilders will over-train with aerobics and/or under-eat. Immediately following a show they are able to put on additional muscular weight above and beyond what they possessed before dieting doen while staying relatively lean because their body is in a very receptive state. The body can’t take that kind of abuse on a frequent basis, so you must compromise by doing a "anabolic prime". It’s not what you eat, but what your body can absorb. Ask any competitive bodybuilder when they experience their biggest growth spurts and they will tell you it’s during the first 6 weeks after a competition!

i am not questioning your plan at all. nor do i think moush's results are less than amazing - they are, no need to argue, he looks great and i congragulate him.

simply put, go the store and look at 30 pounds of muscle in the form of london broil. that much muscle will not jump on a persons body in 8 weeks with or without drugs. lets be clear, muscle is 72% water. if you get your body in the right, perfect balance you could gain a few pounds while dropping body fat - but this state is not maintainable and will produce a few pounds. whenever muscle is gained there is body fat that is gained with it. take all this into account. do i think 30 solid pounds in 8 weeks is possible, no.

nor do i believe these people with their claims of 30 pound gains on cycles either. i put on 25 pounds on my last cycle of 450mg test enanthate a week for 13 weeks at one point - and ive been training for over 19 years. i sure as hell did not gain 25 pounds. on cycle weight means nothing because of the role of water weight. i can be very lean with a good amount of water retention. and this sdizzle guy in his thread claims he has gained water bloat as it is visible in his face. so when he comes off and drops 8 to 10 pounds off the top we wont hear about that but he will try and insist on 30 pounds of weight gain on his cycle. newbies with their bs hype perpetuate these ridiculous claims and in his own thread he states he can see water retention in the face and that is guarantee hes retaining water so his claim of a 30 pound gain is garbage. next on that guy.

i get the rebound effect, ive trained with people doing shows for years and have seen it. your methodology works, no doubt by me. 30 pounds is not happening, at least in MY terminology of muscle gain. but i do believe in your system, makes complete sense.

[Ronnie Rowland]

i am not questioning your plan at all. nor do i think moush's results are less than amazing - they are, no need to argue, he looks great and i congragulate him.

simply put, go the store and look at 30 pounds of muscle in the form of london broil. that much muscle will not jump on a persons body in 8 weeks with or without drugs. lets be clear, muscle is 72% water. if you get your body in the right, perfect balance you could gain a few pounds while dropping body fat - but this state is not maintainable and will produce a few pounds. whenever muscle is gained there is body fat that is gained with it. take all this into account. do i think 30 solid pounds in 8 weeks is possible, no.

nor do i believe these people with their claims of 30 pound gains on cycles either. i put on 25 pounds on my last cycle of 450mg test enanthate a week for 13 weeks at one point - and ive been training for over 19 years. i sure as hell did not gain 25 pounds. on cycle weight means nothing because of the role of water weight. i can be very lean with a good amount of water retention. and this sdizzle guy in his thread claims he has gained water bloat as it is visible in his face. so when he comes off and drops 8 to 10 pounds off the top we wont hear about that but he will try and insist on 30 pounds of weight gain on his cycle. newbies with their bs hype perpetuate these ridiculous claims and in his own thread he states he can see water retention in the face and that is guarantee hes retaining water so his claim of a 30 pound gain is garbage. next on that guy.

i get the rebound effect, ive trained with people doing shows for years and have seen it. your methodology works, no doubt by me. 30 pounds is not happening, at least in MY terminology of muscle gain. but i do believe in your system, makes complete sense.

timtim, we are in agreement!

And as you know, those who do not take anti-es and run testosterone put on a lot more water weight than those taking anti-es. moush is going to slow things down this time around.

[SdiZZle]

timtim-

I went from 164lbs to 194lbs in 12 weeks with my first cycle, and it wasn't even "a ton of drugs". That is a 30lb gain. I have experienced it for myself and in no way doubt that moush managed to accomplish similar returns with his use of STS and the guru's guidance. Also, you will never reveal you identity on myspace.... you sound like a wierdo dude. It's all a conspiracy dude, the man is out to get you via myspace, and people all over are lying about weight gain!

TimTim vs. the Machine - coming this summer to a theater near you.

[timtim]

timtim-

I went from 164lbs to 194lbs in 12 weeks with my first cycle, and it wasn't even "a ton of drugs". That is a 30lb gain. I have experienced it for myself and in no way doubt that moush managed to accomplish similar returns with his use of STS and the guru's guidance. Also, you will never reveal you identity on myspace.... you sound like a wierdo dude. It's all a conspiracy dude, the man is out to get you via myspace, and people all over are lying about weight gain!

TimTim vs. the Machine - coming this summer to a theater near you.

what are you 12 years old? if you cant stay with the thread on an adult level mind your own business. narrow minded people are hilarious. my profession is why i have no pics anywhere on line but since it sounds like your probably in high school or maybe college you wouldnt get that concept. when i go on a job interview i wont have to worry about the employer googling my name and finding personal or embarrassing information out about me. now go away please.

[MuscleScience]

You read that paper yet S.T.G.

[SdiZZle]

1- I am 27 years old, thanks ace.

my diet and training knowledge reflect that of someone with 2 decades of personal experience.

2- if you are indead 30 and have 19+ years training experience that means your professional experience started at 11. Awesome.

3- if I google my name, suprisingly niether myspace nor this site come up, because I do not give them my real name. Hmmm.....

4- I admit there is water weight gain, as their is fat gain. Guru talks about body fat gain in his outlines. Big deal. I don't think anyone here claimed to gain 30lbs without gaining fat or water, but still you attack. How about this, if you don't buy this, lay off and leave others alone- who is 12? You post on this thread multiple times a day to do nothing more then tell people they are wrong and you are right. Don't be a d-bag dude. Go find a thread your interested in and quit trashing people for no reason.

In a world where every one was 12 and gaining insane amounts of weight, there was a man... A man who did not believe. This man had conviction. The internet would not know his name. My space would not know his name. But this summer, we will all know his name...

Coming soon to a theater near you... "TimTim, One Against Many"

[timtim]

go back to where i congragulated moush, tenmoney, and completely agree with slingshot guru and tell me where i am trashing people. your the only one who got their thong in a bunch when you werent even involved in the thread piece with moush, tenmoney, guru, and myself. then you say how you gained 30 pounds but now are back peddling because you have zero clue what you are talking about and just want to seem like a big man here.

first you said this:

"I went from 164lbs to 194lbs in 12 weeks with my first cycle, and it wasn't even "a ton of drugs". That is a 30lb gain".

back peddle, back peddle, back peddle, to this:
"I admit there is water weight gain, as their is fat gain. Guru talks about body fat gain in his outlines. Big deal. I don't think anyone here claimed to gain 30lbs without gaining fat or water, but still you attack".

so you didnt gain 30 pounds. if you followed my posts and read for comprehension, i was disagreeing with the fact of gaining a real 30 pounds, not sloppy weight. this may have been too complicated for you but guru got it and he is the one whose knowledge and experience i respect here. im done dealing with a misinformed, story telling newbie.

go away already ace.

1- I am 27 years old, thanks ace.



2- if you are indead 30 and have 19+ years training experience that means your professional experience started at 11. Awesome.

3- if I google my name, suprisingly niether myspace nor this site come up, because I do not give them my real name. Hmmm.....

4- I admit there is water weight gain, as their is fat gain. Guru talks about body fat gain in his outlines. Big deal. I don't think anyone here claimed to gain 30lbs without gaining fat or water, but still you attack. How about this, if you don't buy this, lay off and leave others alone- who is 12? You post on this thread multiple times a day to do nothing more then tell people they are wrong and you are right. Don't be a d-bag dude. Go find a thread your interested in and quit trashing people for no reason.

In a world where every one was 12 and gaining insane amounts of weight, there was a man... A man who did not believe. This man had conviction. The internet would not know his name. My space would not know his name. But this summer, we will all know his name...

Coming soon to a theater near you... "TimTim, One Against Many"

[SdiZZle]

congragulations, your results are great. no doubt about that

Followed immediately by-

why cant you cant you gain 25 to 30 pounds in 8 weeks? basic science. im not getting into it because i dont care enough about dealing with you.

CongraGUlations - you’re a liar. That’s basically what you are saying here.

your claiming to have gained 40 pounds in how long? do you honestly think anyone with real training experience would believe a 40 pound weight gain in even a year for a newbie lifter and your claiming this in a matter of weeks/months.

no way. the program might be great but that is bullsh@t.

I, TimTim completely congraGUlate you moush, you are amazing!

Followed by-

i am not questioning your plan at all. nor do i think moush's results are less than amazing - they are, no need to argue, he looks great and i congragulate him.

Backpedaling?

First let me say the word is congratulate (pronounced congraDulate). You are 30yrs old and involved in the education system and you think the word is congragulate? Do you pronounce it as such?

Here is my problem here. No one on this or any related thread claimed to gain "40lbs of rock solid muscle no water no fat". But this is what you seem to infer from you basic reading abilities, and this is where your argument starts. Once people tell you, no, there was water weight and fat involved YOU backpedal.

I went from 164lbs to 194lbs in 12 weeks with my first cycle, and it wasn't even "a ton of drugs". That is a 30lb gain.

Simple math genius - 194 minus 164 is 30lbs. Note- nowhere do I infer that the 30lbs is rock solid muscle and nothing else. I would assume most people on this board would realize gains like that come with water weight and fat. I will now make that clear so people with only basic comprehension will understand. So I was not backpedaling, but clarifying so you could "get it". Get it? Good.

Of your 800 or so posts a quick glance would show that roughly 700 are negative, telling people they are wrong. I would think this site is on average full of positive thinking energetic people who take charge of their situations and make things happen. Why don't you take your negative BS elsewhere? 5' 5" 200lbs @ 10% bodyfat? You should pretty closely resemble my avatar, Franco Columbu, past Mr. O. Where can we see you on stage since you won't show anyone any pictures?

Hooked-on-Phonics works for TimTim

I love you
S

[Ronnie Rowland]

You read that paper yet S.T.G.

Yes! In fact, I read that same study back in the summer.


Thanks for sending!

[Johny-too-small]

^^^^ Can you two take your hormonal debate to PM's??

[timtim]

^^^^ Can you two take your hormonal debate to PM's??

good advice. everyone have a great holiday.