4 Months 200mgs CYP/week results.

[Pac Man]

Sorry for the hijack but are you splitting your dosage maz? taking 200 every 2 weeks would give you spikes and drops all over the place, most guys here take 100mg every week to keep it more stable.
And back on topic, killer progress bro. I've seen guys come off a 12 week cycle at 500mg a week and not make gains like that.

[vermin]

Nice work. Check Woodhouse et. al. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2004 for an example of evidence that up to 300mg test enth a week is safe for long term use. For me that dose only results in 1100 total test, which is well below my documented pre-crash natty level of 1400-1600. For quality of life, particularly for previously naturally high test individuals it is often necessary to keep an open mind about dosage. This is the one of the fundamental differences between the anti-aging versus that of the classic endocrinologist. As far as monitoring for sides and safety, frankly a well informed GP should be able to do that.

[FallenWyvern]

Nice work. Check Woodhouse et. al. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 2004 for an example of evidence that up to 300mg test enth a week is safe for long term use.

Does anyone have a link or know anything about this. I have looked all over the place and only found fragments of this study.

It could be that I am not smart enough to read abstracts though...

[zaggahamma]

Does anyone have a link or know anything about this. I have looked all over the place and only found fragments of this study.

It could be that I am not smart enough to read abstracts though...

yes...i'll bump that...fallen....send me what you found, please

[natureboy]

I know a guy who just got the same dose, I am making it easy for him to find this! Because you got such awesome results, wanted to give him a visual.

[warchild]

i hope i get results like that

[THORSZ]

Great results! Your bf has got to be under 10 too. I just got started and hope to do as well.

[FireGuy]

The Bod Pods are infamous for high BF% readings.

[biggunSC]

You look good and mid 30's.... Well TRT is very serious long term thing.... Ok here's the deal on your 200mg per week you have completely shut down your own production of testosterone not good, you're on a permanate cycle, the high test number only makes you more subjuct to developing estrogen problems, test is a binder to estrogen thats why when you go off cycle and you don't have estrogen blockers there ready to kick the estrogens ass you get get bitch tits! Now if you're body stops producing test completely for a long period it may not spark back up, now god forbid but what if something happened to your doctor and or clinic or laws change and you can't get your test supply... you're in trouble. Now what you really want to do (in my opinion) is allow you're body to asist you in producing your own natural testosterone. The important PSA number is your FREE Test that's what makes your muscles grow that number should be high on its scale but not over. Now with that said I am on TRT/HRT my doctor has me now on 400mg once every two weeks (to allow the outside test to drop by the 10th day and the HCG makes my body jump in because it triggers my lingdig to send a message to my testes to start manufacturing my own) 3700 usp units divided into 3 shots before each test shot on the 10,11,12 day test shot on 14th day. I am in my mid 40's and this program works I agree with you on that!!! But things may change for me too and I can't get my supply but I will not distroy my own so if this would happen I should rebound ok, life would really suck if NO test exsisted at all. This is what my Doctor explained to me: I may want to be on it for life, life can be really long I expect you to live at least another 30 to 40 years a lot can change in 30 years so be prepared for the worst case senario...Below is the bases of this post I hope this helps if not oh well.

TESTOSTERONE AND HCG THERAPY FOR MEN TO INCREASE SEX DRIVE, ENERGY, STRENGTH, ENDURANCE AND FERTILITY WHILE IMPROVING MOOD AND VITALITY. THIS COMBINATION OF HORMONE THERAPIES PROTECTS AGAINST TESTICULAR ATROPHY AND THE LOSS OF NATURAL TESTOSTERONE PRODUCTION DUE TO A DECLINE IN LH STIMULATION AS A RESULT OF A CONTINUOUS PERIOD OF TESTOSTERONE THERAPY ALONE. HCG THERAPY FOR MEN TO INCREASE MALE TESTOSTERONE PRODUCTION BY STIMULATING THE LEYDIG CELLS OF THE TESTIS TO PRODUCE MORE TESTOSTERONE

[FallenWyvern]

Going to doctor tomorrow. Gonna have tons of blood work done.

I have been having some acne on my arms and back that I really don't like.

Seems like I have plateaued as far as gaining weight and my lifts have been about the same for couple of months. I will try to post some new pics as soon as I get a tan.

biggunsSC... By being on TRT I will destroy my means of natural production. They will always prescribe testosterone to people that don't have any means of making normal levels.

[biggunSC]

Going to doctor tomorrow. Gonna have tons of blood work done.

I have been having some acne on my arms and back that I really don't like.

Seems like I have plateaued as far as gaining weight and my lifts have been about the same for couple of months. I will try to post some new pics as soon as I get a tan.

biggunsSC... By being on TRT I will destroy my means of natural production. They will always prescribe testosterone to people that don't have any means of making normal levels.

After sterility, semen is still ejaculated, but it lacks sperm. The testes continue to produce sperm, but sperm are prevented from reaching the prostate because they are blocked in the tied-off vas deferens, where they die and are absorbed into the body. Because semen is about 5% sperm, there is no discernible difference in the amount of semen ejaculated after vasectomy. The procedure does not affect testosterone production or libido.

Once again it does not effect testosterone levels, so you need to maintain your natural production, thats why you allow the blood levels to fluctuate, and not just stay on a continous outside source.

[Dr_BruceBanner]

Congrats FallenWyvern. You look great and you're doing what you need to do in order to get great results.

I just started HRT myself and hope to get good results like you. Doc got me started on the 50mg gel and then after 3 weeks boosted me up to 100 mg test gel daily.

I think I'm going to tell him I want to go with the shot. He mentioned 200 mg test every 2 weeks but I would love to get 200 mg every week. Don't think he will go for it but I'll try.

So far the test gel ahs worked wonders for me so I'm not disapointed at all. I've added muscles and lost some fat. My arms are up an inch in size,

[zaggahamma]

Congrats FallenWyvern. You look great and you're doing what you need to do in order to get great results.

I just started HRT myself and hope to get good results like you. Doc got me started on the 50mg gel and then after 3 weeks boosted me up to 100 mg test gel daily.

I think I'm going to tell him I want to go with the shot. He mentioned 200 mg test every 2 weeks but I would love to get 200 mg every week. Don't think he will go for it but I'll try.

So far the test gel ahs worked wonders for me so I'm not disapointed at all. I've added muscles and lost some fat. My arms are up an inch in size,

congrats to you bro...and welcome

[FallenWyvern]

I have to say that I really like my doctor.

I told him I was a little bit worried about my atrophy, prescribed HCG for five weeks, three times a year.

He asked me about my moods, energy and nipple tenderness. He then suggested I have my estradiol checked. It came back high and he prescribed armidex. He said he was trying to get it around 25.

My total test levels came back a little bit over 1000 and he said that I was in the acceptable target range. He did suggest that in six months with AI and HCG, it will be likely that the level of test will have to be lowered.

Bod pod came back at 13.4% @ 195lbs. I know that Bod Pod comes back high but it does show that I am making progress.

I hope that in a month I will have less bloat, more energy and bigger balls!

[zaggahamma]

I have to say that I really like my doctor.

I told him I was a little bit worried about my atrophy, prescribed HCG for five weeks, three times a year.

He asked me about my moods, energy and nipple tenderness. He then suggested I have my estradiol checked. It came back high and he prescribed armidex. He said he was trying to get it around 25.

My total test levels came back a little bit over 1000 and he said that I was in the acceptable target range. He did suggest that in six months with AI and HCG, it will be likely that the level of test will have to be lowered.

Bod pod came back at 13.4% @ 195lbs. I know that Bod Pod comes back high but it does show that I am making progress.

I hope that in a month I will have less bloat, more energy and bigger balls!

lookin good bro....if your 13.4 then i'm 50% then....machine said i was the same at 222....
....dont think i own an abdominal muscle though


good work bro
glad you got your script...i'm tryin to throw in hcg as well

[NEMESIS RR]

I have to say that I really like my doctor.

I told him I was a little bit worried about my atrophy, prescribed HCG for five weeks, three times a year.

He asked me about my moods, energy and nipple tenderness. He then suggested I have my estradiol checked. It came back high and he prescribed armidex. He said he was trying to get it around 25.

My total test levels came back a little bit over 1000 and he said that I was in the acceptable target range. He did suggest that in six months with AI and HCG, it will be likely that the level of test will have to be lowered.

Bod pod came back at 13.4% @ 195lbs. I know that Bod Pod comes back high but it does show that I am making progress.

I hope that in a month I will have less bloat, more energy and bigger balls!

When you tested at a "a little bit over 1000" how many days prior did you take a shot and was it a 200mg shot?

[FallenWyvern]

When you tested at a "a little bit over 1000" how many days prior did you take a shot and was it a 200mg shot?

200mgs, I get my blood work 7 days after my last shot at my weekly lows. I take my next shot right after my blood work.

He told me that I am probably peeking during the week at about 1200 on day 2-3, when I was just on test.

I would guess that the AI and temporary usage of HCG would add a little more.

[FallenWyvern]

Mini update. Mood and sex drive way up now that I have the arimidex. I feel like a rock star. Bloat is a little better too.

[SWOLLL]

Awesome! Where is your Dr., in what city?
I need to go there when my Dr. wants to cut me down form 200 week.

Awesome results! You have to be 10% bf or lower

[zaggahamma]

Awesome! Where is your Dr., in what city?
I need to go there when my Dr. wants to cut me down form 200 week.

Awesome results! You have to be 10% bf or lower

that's what i was thinking too

fallen, what's your height/weight again?

[FallenWyvern]

that's what i was thinking too

fallen, what's your height/weight again?

6ft 1ish 195-200lbs

[zaggahamma]

6ft 1ish 195-200lbs

calvin klein model or not...still like your avy betta...and thanks for the pics...see i took one?

[FallenWyvern]

calvin klein model or not...still like your avy betta...and thanks for the pics...see i took one?

[dorin29]

Fall is cyc, cypinate, and also did it help get your sex drive back up

[FallenWyvern]

Fall is cyc, cypinate, and also did it help get your sex drive back up

Yes cyp is testosterone cypionate.

It very, very much helped my sex drive.

[ChickenNKumara]

Sorry to bump an old thread - but I think we can all agree FallenWyvern made some great results from what we saw.

A month on now - how are your results looking FallenWyvern?

[FallenWyvern]

It is still going great all though no real gains in last month or so, I have been drinking quite a bit every day and skipping meals. I still can see my abs, even when I push my gut out.

Only complaint is acne on my back and shoulders, I don't were my tank top so much anymore because of them.

[THORSZ]

It is still going great all though no real gains in last month or so, I have been drinking quite a bit every day and skipping meals. I still can see my abs, even when I push my gut out.

Only complaint is acne on my back and shoulders, I don't were my tank top so much anymore because of them.

What are you drinking?
I am on the same program as you although I have doubled up the past few weeks. I have been showering twice a day and tanning. It seems to keep the acne to a minimum.

[FallenWyvern]

What are you drinking?
I am on the same program as you although I have doubled up the past few weeks. I have been showering twice a day and tanning. It seems to keep the acne to a minimum.

Mostly scotch.

I can't really tan, I am type one skin. I have to use spray tan to get any color other than red or white.

[THORSZ]

Mostly scotch.

I can't really tan, I am type one skin. I have to use spray tan to get any color other than red or white.

I am a rum guy myself. I know alcohol can lower natural testosterone production and increase estrogen. I don't think that is the case when on TRT. I think the biggest concern is empty calories. What are your thoughts?

[FallenWyvern]

I am a rum guy myself. I know alcohol can lower natural testosterone production and increase estrogen. I don't think that is the case when on TRT. I think the biggest concern is empty calories. What are your thoughts?

I have read in a book about TRT that alcohol is a big no no, especially with estrogen levels. I think my AI counters that though.

I think every one agrees that alcohol is empty calories.

[BIG_TRUCK]

Nice job man. Alot of strange info some people are spitting out in here lol.

People need to remember that different people absorb hormones differently. Your doctor put you on the best dosage for YOU, not for anyone else. Some folks can have relatively high levels while on andro gel, while myself I didn't respond and actually had lower test than before.

Your making great gains, and I bet your confidence, mood, and overall life has improved greatly.

Keep it up

[ENraged]

All of you know nothing about it!
Here is the Force: http://scam.com/h20.html

[bigt10]

Hey Fallen you look good man.

So you have been on 200 mg a week for4 months that looks really good.

Are you on cycle or have you cycled before?

Between the before and after pictures did you cycle or just your HRT, thanks!

Lookin cut and big man.

[Nicotine]

wow, you look fantastic.....

i hope when i lean down i should look similar this spring...

i figure i'll look like that (stomach wise) in a year or 2...abs are not my strong point..

[TheKing.]

Nice man! I just had my first shot today. 200mg test cyp. From here on out every week I get 100mg a week. My doc wanted to start me with 300mg today and 200 every week thereafter. I am just so afraid of hair loss, I am 26 and have already had a minor hair transplant of about 1100 grafts just in my temple areas. Have you had any hair loss?

[FallenWyvern]

Hey Fallen you look good man.

So you have been on 200 mg a week for4 months that looks really good.

Are you on cycle or have you cycled before?

Between the before and after pictures did you cycle or just your HRT, thanks!

Lookin cut and big man.

I have never cycled. Only 200 mg week.

Nice man! I just had my first shot today. 200mg test cyp. From here on out every week I get 100mg a week. My doc wanted to start me with 300mg today and 200 every week thereafter. I am just so afraid of hair loss, I am 26 and have already had a minor hair transplant of about 1100 grafts just in my temple areas. Have you had any hair loss?

Yes, I had hair loss. Hard to say if it was the test or if I was gonna lose it anyways. So, I shaved my head.

I would have done the grafts but I didn't like that it left a scar in the back of your head. I like to keep my hair pretty short and I was certain that the donor site scar would be visible if I used a 3 or shorter on the clippers.

[BIG_TRUCK]

If you all are balding naturally, test will speed it up for sure.

[BIG_TRUCK]

To the OP... Have you noticed less gains as time goes on @ that dosage? Any plateauing yet?

[bigt10]

Hey fallen are you taking any T4 or T3.

When you get the blood tests so your doctor can check your levels did he check TSH atleast or do you have any idea if the testosterone sped up your thyroid.