Dutch health system rated best, U.S. worst - polls

[thegodfather]

So the Netherland's, Britain's, Germany's, Japan's are go{ing} on for a little while, decades even, but in the end the needs outweigh the available capital to pay for them eventually bankrupting the system assuring NO ONE gets benefits.

So can I expect that Germans will not be able see the doctor next month or year? but atleast in america rich people will still be able to see the doctor

going bankrupt..? ofcource they have that money that they didn't waste on the iraq war and a bloated military budget..

Yes, I believe socialism will eventually lead to all of those countries programs going bankrupt. Over time needs will always outweight the available money to pay for them.

Even if our country wasn't involved overseas and wasting trillions of dollars, why do you trust big government so much to run your life? Especially a significant aspect of it like healthcare!

[warchild]

the thing about the u.s. is its great if your rich, but for middle to lower class, they stick it to you

[inheritmylife]

the thing about the u.s. is its great if your rich, but for middle to lower class, they stick it to you

If you're rich, you carry the burden of paying for everyone else. I'm not rich, and I probably never will be, but I still don't think that it is right to make someone else financially responsible for me.

[MuscleScience]

If you're rich, you carry the burden of paying for everyone else. I'm not rich, and I probably never will be, but I still don't think that it is right to make someone else financially responsible for me.

The rich are able to have access to tax shelters that the middle and lower class do not have access to. 90% of the wealth in the US is held by only 10% of the population.

[gixxerboy1]

Not really sure were I heard it, but I heard if a universal healthcare system gets put in line, you cant choose your doctor? Is that true?

I also heard that the wait for a minor health problem could take up to 6 months for an appointment, not sure where I heard it but If someone can confirm this or debunk it would be great. Im ignorant on this issue....Thanks!

I'm not saying im for socialized medicine, But im a diabetic here in the us and i had to wait 3 months to get into an endo dr here.

[inheritmylife]

The rich are able to have access to tax shelters that the middle and lower class do not have access to. 90% of the wealth in the US is held by only 10% of the population.

The rich have found ways to "shelter" themselves from taxes through their corporations and trusts and whatnot, but they are still taxed at a much higher rate on their personal income.

[sloth9]

Universal Healthcare is the Way to GO!

Everyone else is just plain WRONG!

Go Canada, England, Germany, France Holland and the many other countries that know how to do health care.

My challenge for all you nonbelievers of a universal healthcare system is to talk to people from these countries and other countries that have a universal health care system and ask them what they think about their healthcare system and would they trade it for the U.S. system.

Have them post there thoughts here…

This is an international forum and I bet you won’t find too many on this board that come from universal health care system to trade it for the U.S. system of greedy HMO’s.

It is usually the guys from the U.S. who hasn’t lived any other place and is right wing or hardcore constitutionalist that lay claim that the U.S. system is superior to most but that is just plain egocentric narrow B.S. that stems from naivety or a lack of understanding.

Universal Health Care is the Way to GO!

My best friends Grandpa died because he had to wait for a surgery he was to sick to travel to the states and they lived in england, well because of this problem his grandma moved to the states she sold all of their land to be close to the family too. These people where rich too they had 3 houses 1 in germany and alot of land. Any way the universal health care sucks and I wont pay for crap insurance, right now I have some of the best insurance ever and I wouldnt trade anything for it. You need to quit letting those stupid socialist professors brain wash you. There is ample healthcare oppurtunities in Ameica. Also My best friend has been going to school to be a doctor and he just got into medical school and is now 300,000 dollars in debt and he still has 4 more years to go, now tell me how is a doctor going to pay his bills on the boo boo pay that universal healthcare doctors get. Go read about it and get to know someone personally in the business before you try saying universal healthcare is good, this is one step closer to socialism and incase anyone doesnt know what that is, it government control of everything and no ownership of land and houses, the government will tell you if you can get a loan. Obama is pretty close to a socialist and because of the liberal left wing socialists not letting us drill driving gas prices higher and higher I cant finish my degree in micro biology I have to go back to work so I can keep my house. I had enough money saved back when I paid 25.00 to fill my tank, now I pay 70.00 to fill up thats once every 5-8 days. I feel if obama is elected and he screws up the economy even more and gas goes up more, and government controls a few more of our freedoms, there will be a good chance of social uprising like in the 60's when america had the freedom movement. Now Mccain isnt a peach either but you just wait history repeats itself. I dont want to attack you, if your views are actually yours and you are not being spoon fed this crap by your professors who think they are gods and truly believe this hoo haw, then good that is your right, but make sure you know your facts first.

[sloth9]

I'm not saying im for socialized medicine, But im a diabetic here in the us and i had to wait 3 months to get into an endo dr here.

I am sorry to hear that but where I live there is much more funding for that and you get way better treatment for free, also have you filed for disability because my ex had that and she also got an insulin pump along with all of her medical bills are paid for. she works and goes to school too. she doesnt make much but they take care of her. My grandpa has that too and he gets his stuff paid for too.

[Kärnfysikern]

I have never had any problem with swedish healthcare. The emergency service is absolutely incredible, the one major flaw is that the waiting lines for routine surgery can be extremely long in some cases due to a shortage of staff. There are plenty of things that could be changed though, but I wouldnt give up free healthcare.

The healthcare costs ammount to around 8% of the swedish BNP and it has been steady since 1993.

[Odpierdol_sie!]

I dont see why people are arguing about this subject.
The VAST majority of posters on this thread have no experience with "Universal Healthcare" other than here say by being told or read in a book or journal, you all clearly have no firsthand knowledge of what they are commenting on.

Its like me saying that European and Jap Cars are better than American cars because they can go round corners fast without killing you!.... Ive never driven a yank car so how the fvck would i know?

[Panzerfaust]

I don't need a poll to know that the US healthcare system is a ****ing pathetic joke!

[abstrack]

We live in the most flourished nation in the world, and our health care system sux. It is the worst system by far.

For a business owner, such as myself. We can only barely afford insurance for my wife, and she doesn't even have the best plan. We still pay out the ass for doctors visits, and medical bills.

I paid into the medical system for the past 10 years, and never had a claim. I made one claim in the last year & still paid out my ass. I looked into getting insurance again and they rated me at a high risk. I had one minor hernia surgery 2 years ago, and they want to penalize me for it.

Our medical system sucks ass.

[abstrack]

I don't need a poll to know that the US healthcare system is a ****ing pathetic joke!

agreed.

[Odpierdol_sie!]

From reading some of the comments here... i think im gonna pass on the moving to the states to live idea...
I think ill go somewhere where people actually give a shit about your well being.

[inheritmylife]

From reading some of the comments here... i think im gonna pass on the moving to the states to live idea...
I think ill go somewhere where people actually give a shit about your well being.

You sound like the type of person who needs all your decisions made for you. Yeah, the States definately aren't for you.

[Panzerfaust]

From reading some of the comments here... i think im gonna pass on the moving to the states to live idea...
I think ill go somewhere where people actually give a shit about your well being.

Just why in the **** would you even consider it? Just visit and use all your glorious "£" here because its worth a shit load more than the cocksucking $

[SMCengineer]

I dont see why people are arguing about this subject.
The VAST majority of posters on this thread have no experience with "Universal Healthcare" other than here say by being told or read in a book or journal, you all clearly have no firsthand knowledge of what they are commenting on.

Its like me saying that European and Jap Cars are better than American cars because they can go round corners fast without killing you!.... Ive never driven a yank car so how the fvck would i know?

Actually, it's like you saying that Universal Heatlhcare is better than free market healthcare when in fact you've never experienced free market Healthcare. If you have, I'd like to know where and when cause we certainly aren't practicing it here. I can assure you, no one on here has experienced free market healthcare. So claiming that people "just don't know how good it is" is flawed at best. Here in a America we have quasi-socialized healthcare so we sure as hell have experienced it and you can look to our current system for the outcome.

[Odpierdol_sie!]

You sound like the type of person who needs all your decisions made for you. Yeah, the States definately aren't for you.

Don't judge me boy, you don't know me!

Where is the sense in me paying in to a National Health Care system in the UK for years only to up sticks and move to the US?
If i fall ill, I will probably end up having to sell my house to pay for care in your shite system... No thanks, id rather lick my own arse!

[Odpierdol_sie!]

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[SMCengineer]

Without going too far in to it, i really would get confused at the way ur system/s.

I have experienced "free system health care" per se. I pay national insurance contributions out of my salary for what insurance of paying nothing for health care, i really do not mind... what i do mind is foreigners coming in here taking all they can get but giving nothing in return.

That's the opposite of a free market system, as is ours.

[Odpierdol_sie!]

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[inheritmylife]

Don't judge me boy, you don't know me!

Let's be civil. Where's your couth Englishman?

Where is the sense in me paying in to a National Health Care system in the UK for years only to up sticks and move to the US?
If i fall ill, I will probably end up having to sell my house to pay for care in your shite system... No thanks, id rather lick my own arse!

If you move to the Netherlands the state is not going to give a damn how much you paid into the English health care system. You brought up moving, so I'm just remarking on the ridiculousness of your belief that your taxes paid into one state's system have any bearing on your liability in another state's system.

If you tallied the amount of tax contributions you made to your state for health care over the course of your life I bet you it would be enough to buy yourself a little vacation home in France or somewhere else of your choosing.

[Odpierdol_sie!]

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[inheritmylife]

You want couth? then try to remember that not all people who reside in England are English.
I find that comment very insulting as i am decent of natons who have been oppressed by English rule for hundereds of years. So heres couth for you .

Yeah, you and half the rest of the world's population. Your ethnicity is irrelevant when the issue is nationality. What state are you a citizen of?

If you are an English citizen, than you are an Englishman. If you don't understand that than your dangerous opinions are the least of your problems.

Where did i ever say i wanted to move to the Netherlands?
I think someone needs to learn to read properly before coming out a bold statment such as the one above.....
If i have to spel it out for you i was insinuating that i am starting to rethink the whole premis of relocating to the United States of America. This notion has been based firmly on the fact that the Health Care system in teh US is flawed and where is the sense in me paying for a health system in teh Uk and moving to America in later years to fall sick and have to pay my way back to a healthy lifestyle.

I'm not arguing the merits of the US health care system. I think that at this time the UK system is preferable to the mess that we've created over here, especially if you are very ill and have little or no income. But, like everything else in government, it's the lesser of the two evils, but by no means a good system.

You're missing the point, and big surprise, you're being insulting again. It doesn't matter where you go, your tax contributions into the UK health care system aren't going to matter. You start over regardless of where you go. If I was considering moving to another country, the cost of healthcare would play only a small role in my decision.

If the situation was reversed and a US National wanted to relocate to the UK, then health care would not be a number one issue on theri agenda of things to make sure they are covered for as the National Health Service would provide everything needed free of charge.

It's not free, you or someone else is paying for it. You just aren't getting what you pay for.

[Odpierdol_sie!]

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[inheritmylife]

Sine you so clearly know everything, tell me how its not a good system?.

Lots of reasons really. A good reason would be that a greater percentage of people die from their ailments under a socialised system, the NHS in particular, than under the market-based system like in the US. Socialism breeds mediocrity. If you want to die in surgery, the NHS is for you.

[Odpierdol_sie!]

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[Kärnfysikern]

Lots of reasons really. A good reason would be that a greater percentage of people die from their ailments under a socialised system, the NHS in particular, than under the market-based system like in the US. Socialism breeds mediocrity. If you want to die in surgery, the NHS is for you.

Stats?

[Odpierdol_sie!]

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