first one for me

[10nispro]

Not going to Flame you at all. You came hear to learn and that's why we are here. To help. Hit the diet forum and read read and read some more.

[warchild]

5'9 and 140lbs tells everyone here that you are not ready for AAS

[tuesdaysgone]

5'9 and 140lbs tells everyone here that you are not ready for AAS

I understand what you're saying to an extent. but with a proper diet I will not keep anything on without some help, and what I do gain is not cut, never was.

Are you saying I'm not ready for AAS, because my diet is not proper? If that's the case...........MY DIET WILL BE PROPER, but i want more than a diet/workout. Maybe I'm missing something, but that's why I'm here to learn.

[warchild]

look man im not trying to be hard on you, but fact is at your weight/height you can gain naturally. if you want to do juice it your money and your life.

[G4R]

........ http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6 ..........

[tuesdaysgone]

........ http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6 ..........

I've been looking at that, and nothing there is new to me, nada. I understand it and I've done it. I just wasn't doing it a week ago or in the previous. I know what a LARGE diet will get me, it WILL show me results i understand that, but I want more. I tend to dream/want/need large.

[tuesdaysgone]

look man im not trying to be hard on you, but fact is at your weight/height you can gain naturally. if you want to do juice it your money and your life.

I understand and I appreciate it, honestly. Yes I do want to do it. If I don't like it or can't handle it I'll just stop after the first cycle and do it completely natural. I've done it natural but it was a pain to keep the weight, muscle mass on. I really don't know why, always just blamed metabolism.
Like most newbies I'm sure, i want the OMFG factor from others. I'm tired of being this size and I know I won't be satisfied naturally. I want MASSIVE mass. Not no pro bber size, but massive for my frame.

[Reed]

I understand and I appreciate it, honestly. Yes I do want to do it. If I don't like it or can't handle it I'll just stop after the first cycle and do it completely natural. I've done it natural but it was a pain to keep the weight, muscle mass on. I really don't know why, always just blamed metabolism.
Like most newbies I'm sure, i want the OMFG factor from others. I'm tired of being this size and I know I won't be satisfied naturally. I want MASSIVE mass. Not no pro bber size, but massive for my frame.

You must understand that steroids will NOT solidify your gains because once you come off its back to your little self again. If your saying you want massive mass you need to be able to gain naturally or be forced to rely on a drug that may not always be available for you in the future. Take heed on these guys advice, they know what they are talking about. I have a friend that was at 140lb at 5'9' and after I corrected his diet and training regiment he now sits at 180lb WITHOUT drugs. It will take time but if your unwilling to put time in this you should not be using steroids in the first place. I'd personally suggest diet/train for a year or so and then get back to us on cycle suggestions. Thats my suggestion

[one8nine]

I understand and I appreciate it, honestly. Yes I do want to do it. If I don't like it or can't handle it I'll just stop after the first cycle and do it completely natural. I've done it natural but it was a pain to keep the weight, muscle mass on. I really don't know why, always just blamed metabolism.
Like most newbies I'm sure, i want the OMFG factor from others. I'm tired of being this size and I know I won't be satisfied naturally. I want MASSIVE mass. Not no pro bber size, but massive for my frame.

its even harder to keep aas gains than natural gains

[Jfew44]

I understand and I appreciate it, honestly. Yes I do want to do it. If I don't like it or can't handle it I'll just stop after the first cycle and do it completely natural. I've done it natural but it was a pain to keep the weight, muscle mass on. I really don't know why, always just blamed metabolism.
Like most newbies I'm sure, i want the OMFG factor from others. I'm tired of being this size and I know I won't be satisfied naturally. I want MASSIVE mass. Not no pro bber size, but massive for my frame.

If you hop on AAS at your size with your diet, you will lose it bro. We're all just trying to help, telling you you're not ready. At your size it would not be hard to gain 20+ lbs in a year. If you're going to use then you're going to. Test only first cycle so you know how your body will react.

Again, I urge you to get your diet on track. Its not a quick fix. You cant get your diet right for a month till you see results then go back to eating 2-3 times a day. Its not your metabolism its your lifestyle.

Good luck to whatever you end up doing.

[warchild]

good luck and keep us posted

[tuesdaysgone]

good luck and keep us posted

that's the thing. My question was about deca,sust,dbol. I know the sides, but not real sure on the effects of mixing the 3 and whether this was an "extremely" bad idea for a beginner without taking into account the natural gain capabilities. I wanted personal opinions on these 3 in paticular, for instance 189 hates sust. That's good to know, but why does he, maybe his or someone's reasoning can stray me from that one and give me a better alternative.?

[tuesdaysgone]

in other words I'm not gonna hit my targeted weight/size/strength without help.

180lbs
280+ bench
etc

[Reed]

You need 25 post for the both of you to PM. Go to the diet thread. The best way to get this done is to learn it for yourself. Somethings that may work for him may not work for you. But the diet thread is a safe bet, they really should charge people for such good info those guys give.

[Reed]

More importantly how would he stay on cycle,; just haul the drugs around with him in hopes of not getting busted???

[tuesdaysgone]

mostly I"m in one spot for 6 months or so. I can work out at my "home" away from home and cook and take with me during the day.

I won't travel with it, other than absolutely neccessary.

[tuesdaysgone]

I won't have any problem following the diet or needing a cheat day. My only problem would be making sure I ate enough. Seriously I hardly have time to piss until lunch. But I can work around that if I try hard enough. But by the time I get "home" I'm not much into cooking a whole lot, but as far as the fruit, tuna, chicken sandwhiches, eggs, etc. that would be easy and getting a good meal in the evenings wouldn't be hard, just getting a "meal" or "meals" prepared for the next day and eaten would be the harder one.

Dairy, especially eggs tend to make me sick, but mostly just in the mornings, weird but true. One question I do have............when anyone says egg whites, or whole egg, how is it prepared or does it matter? boiled, raw, cooked?

[Southernillinois]

Hard boiled, or if you get a fire up your ass and dont feel like cooking do um raw! if you've never done it before prepare to gag the entire time and beware the salmonilla. And like i said if you cant follow perfectly just try your best - can't help havin a busy ass lifestyle. Go to a gas station and buy a gallon water jug and make sure to finish that sucker every day. The first week you do it your gonna want to piss every 10 minutes so make sure when you start this its one of your off weeks or you'll be making horrible time on your trips haha. good luck again man - work your ass off and you'll get there. As for the gear - If your set on using gear your gonna use it no matter what anyone on here says. My first cycle i used Dbol and loved it - also i would suggest a lite test like a 250. Read up and do your research and listen to the info you get from everyone on the site. Have you ever tried/thought about tryin a PH?

[tuesdaysgone]

Hard boiled, or if you get a fire up your ass and dont feel like cooking do um raw! if you've never done it before prepare to gag the entire time and beware the salmonilla. And like i said if you cant follow perfectly just try your best - can't help havin a busy ass lifestyle. Go to a gas station and buy a gallon water jug and make sure to finish that sucker every day. The first week you do it your gonna want to piss every 10 minutes so make sure when you start this its one of your off weeks or you'll be making horrible time on your trips haha. good luck again man - work your ass off and you'll get there

easier for me to do em raw, there not bad actually!

[Southernillinois]

haha raw was more or less a joke ( i was tryin to save him time ha), whether more or less protein i've came too close to throwing up tryin to choke them down. i've done it, it's good protein if you dont have the time - if you do definitely boil them.

[tuesdaysgone]

I'm still leaning to trying the gear as well though. I want to give it a shot at least. Obviously with a proper diet and excercise.

[Reed]

Well if you don't eat whats on your diet plan you wouldn't be considered as following it. Trust me it will be will worth the wait. Your goals of bench and weight are obtainable without the use of any drugs.

[Reed]

And do NOT do them raw. The protein is no where near as bio-available (how do explain these things to a newbie, ) as they are boiled or cooked. Its around 51% raw and 91 % or more cooked. Meaning your body will absorb more of the protein when cooked and the protein won't be wasted

[tuesdaysgone]

And do NOT do them raw. The protein is no where near as bio-available (how do explain these things to a newbie, ) as they are boiled or cooked. Its around 51% raw and 91 % or more cooked. Meaning your body will absorb more of the protein when cooked and the protein won't be wasted

OH, ok.

[Reed]

Well its a waste of money and food IMO if you do. If you eat 10 raw your body will only absorb 5 of them. Why waste over half of a highly essential part of a person's diet. Especially if you use *****-3 eggs

[mkrulic]

driving for a living does not mean you cannot eat well. you just have to be prepared. you cannot wait untill 11:59 to realize you need to eat lunch. plan ahead. I cook (2) 3 lb bags of chicken and a box of rice. get a cooler and then pack enough lunches for a meal every 2 hours.

[mkrulic]

Yes I'm a newbie and I've done some research, maybe not as much as I should have, but be easy on me.

I've been tinkering with starting for the past year or two. I have 4 "brothers" that use/have used. I've done a lot of research on it and I know about my diet. but yet I"m a newbie to these and I'm gonna be starting soon and I'm the stubborn type, well "impatient" is better put.

So by a member of the military and a brother of mine, here is what's been suggested to me.
(I'm 28, 140 and about 5'9", I've always been small and I could eat a horse literally. In the past I haven't had much problem gaining 20 pounds while working out and eating right, approx 2500-3000 calories a day. I've never been over 150. I would like to reach 160-180 pounds.)

8 week cycle

Dina-Bol
Sustanon(sp?)
Deca shots:
one a week for week 1 and 2
two a week for weeks 3 -7
and one the last week

take a break

I haven't been working out lately, but have started and once I get into something I get heavily into it, meaning I'll be doing heavy excercise including cardio, and proper nutrition, etc.

My question is, to you pros, does this seem ridiculous? My heart is set and it's gonna be hard to change my mind. I have accepted the sides and what not. I'm just ready to see results

according to this your maintenance calories are about 2200. to bulk I would recommend about 2700 and a 40/40/20 split.
40% of 2700 = 1080 cals from protien
1080/4 = 270 grams of protien and carbs
20% of 2700 = 540 cals from fat
540/9 = 60 grams of fat
divide this evenly into 6 to eight meals. find out how big portion sizes must be. pick carbs that score less than 55 on the glycemic index. no fruit or crap like that. post a diet that makes sense and you will get better responses

[Southernillinois]

How many days are you gonna be able to get in the gym/run during the week with your busy schedule? If your only gonna be able to go 2 or 3 times a week it's gonna be a waste to buy gear man. And you said your impatient so if you do end up running a low test like 250 your not gonna see the gains for a while and you can't get discouraged and give up.

[Big]

sadly, I give up.
good luck.

[warchild]

sadly, I give up.
good luck.

ditto

[tuesdaysgone]

sadly, I give up.
good luck.

yea me too. thanks for the help.

[mkrulic]

yea me too. thanks for the help.

why even try to start if your diet is this far out of wack. look at post I made w/ the %'tages and post it in the diet section for review along w/ all your stats and see what response you get. get your diet right and you will go further w/ that then you would eating crap on aas

[tuesdaysgone]

why even try to start if your diet is this far out of wack. look at post I made w/ the %'tages and post it in the diet section for review along w/ all your stats and see what response you get. get your diet right and you will go further w/ that then you would eating crap on aas

If you ****ing people would read the posts I make and not skim through them, I SAID I AM GETTING MY DIET ON TRACK........................HOW GODDMAN HARD IS THAT TO GET? i KNOW THE DIET ROUTINE. OK, let me make it simple for you guys:
I don't work out.
I don't eat right.

My plan:
Get diet going good.
Work out, lift/cardio the whole nine yards.
Try AAS.
I'm beggining to think you guys are tarded or fat and ticked because I'm a scrawny ****er by nature. but believe me it ain't fun.
for the last time my diet will be RIGHT.


or better yet, let me start all over.

I'm 5'9" 165 lbs.
I work out 5 days a week.
My calorie intake is 5200.
My bf% is 5%?

NOW....how would Deca, sust, and dbol affect/help/screw me?

[one8nine]

If you ****ing people would read the posts I make and not skim through them, I SAID I AM GETTING MY DIET ON TRACK........................HOW GODDMAN HARD IS THAT TO GET? i KNOW THE DIET ROUTINE. OK, let me make it simple for you guys:
I don't work out.
I don't eat right.

My plan:
Get diet going good.
Work out, lift/cardio the whole nine yards.
Try AAS.
I'm beggining to think you guys are tarded or fat and ticked because I'm a scrawny ****er by nature. but believe me it ain't fun.
for the last time my diet will be RIGHT.


or better yet, let me start all over.

I'm 5'9" 165 lbs.
I work out 5 days a week.
My calorie intake is 5200.
My bf% is 5%?

NOW....how would Deca, sust, and dbol affect/help/screw me?

sust sucks
dbol aromatizes
deca stimulates pgr
you dont have a pct
you dont know anything about steroids
youll end up skinnier than you started

[Banelord]

5% are u sure, is that not like competitive bodybuilding pose level?
Because I would kill to get 8% and that hard to do, I think at that level abs or course are there, but u can see the muscle move just under the skin no?

[one8nine]

5% are u sure, is that not like competitive bodybuilding pose level?
Because I would kill to get 8% and that hard to do, I think at that level abs or course are there, but u can see the muscle move just under the skin no?

no he just made that up.
who would test it, his gym?
that was a joke because he doesnt have a gym

[Banelord]

holy beating and suffering. LOL

[fattymcbutterpants]

so if it makes you feel any better at one point in my life i was 6' 3" and 140lbs I was 15 and took sustanon and had no clue what i was doing and only had one vial so i ran out in 4 weeks but i gained 20 lbs without eating that much or working out that much. dont do it. Gains seemed to be so much harder to make after that