Originally Posted by mmabeast
ok now i know youre full of it...
Every state that sanctions fights, test for anabolic steroids...
That is, professionals, not all AMs get tested, but all pros absolutey do...
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ok now i know youre full of it...
Every state that sanctions fights, test for anabolic steroids...
That is, professionals, not all AMs get tested, but all pros absolutey do...
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hahaha
that was a good one...
and yeah dude, youre right 189 is the most level headed guy here, and i trust him to the fullest, its just YOU DONT WANT TO LISTEN!
Hes already said youre diet needs to be changed bro... Drop some BF, get on a serious diet for 4months and come back...
and BTW, not ALL of these are possible, youre gonna have to sacrafice.
Burn fat quickly.
Build lean muscle
Build extreme cardio
Increasr energy and aggression
and im 5'11 and i fight at 170...
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Im sorry. Your wrong. I can tell you for a fact they dont test. We had one of your guys from BTT fight in a show, Andre Mussi, yeah, he's a HWT, he lost to SS fighter Dave Herman. The Ohio Athletic has never once tested our guys. Atleast not in any of the shows I have fought in. Andre has met me. We go around the same build, Im a bit bigger than him but the build is close.
Look, Im not 100% sure why it is your dogging on me but, hey I guess its just your way.
Point is, well you have been right, I do need to change my diet, but I also want to be making my pro Debut in the best shape and build of my life.
Help me out here.
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Im not trying to dog on you dude, honsetly thats not my intention...
Your earlier posts just sounded like you were trolling around as a E-toughguy... I guess i took it the wrong way. Sincere apologies!
But when you say stuff like this:
"Like I said Im not a fat out of shape guy. Ive been a wrestler fighter my whole life. Im looking to improve my build, and my cardio. I want to be ripped and be able to go many many fight rounds. I dont want a bodybuilder bulk build, I want a leaner, 300 type build."
"Im a HWT and am 5-2 and on a 5 fight win streak winning 4 of my last 5 by tko in under 1 min. id say im pretty damb good. maybe not 20% more like 10-15 %."
you can see how i could take it the wrong way...
Now if your Andre's size, your a BIG boy, no doubt...
Alright bro, lookit here, i reason i was being a prick and telling you to lose some BF% and get serious with your diet, is because it will substansually improve your gains when you do finally cycle...
And i can appreciate where you are coming from, i want to be in the best shape of my life as well when i fight.
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And btw, theres nothing wrong with losing to Herman, that kid is a freakin ANIMAL! Hes gonna be a serious force in Elite XC...
Andre is a decent fighter, i know him, i wouldnt say were friends, but were from the same camp so he is my brother, but still...
Ok, if your built like Andre, your not too far off from being where you wanna be... Do you think you can work your weight down to 260 natty? with around 12%BF
If you can, i can help you take your game to the next level bro...
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Your right he is an animal,Herman he beat Waterman like a little girl.
Andre is a good fighter. I want to get to 240-250 and stay there. Like I said, Im a bit bigger than Andre, not as defined. Andre goes about 260, Im about 275 right now. I want to drop the bloat, and get the cut I need.
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Yes I can see that. Thats why Im trying to mull through this mess. I know how boards can be.
I understand some of what goes on with a cycle. I just dont have alot of time. I can take a few months off and just work on my core points like cardio, diet and fat loss.
The rest will fall into the program.
189 said he could put together a custom program for me earlier. Can you please do that ? I have a diet I will be following to the tee. I also have a cycled workout program as well. I just need the last few pieces such as the cycle and amounts and how often for optimum performance.
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what did 189 suggest?
Just so you know, 189 knows everything dude! He's the freakin man, and seeing as how me, him, and now you are the only guys here who actually fight, we need to stick together, there are a lot of guys claiming the same.
Something like Primo and Test Prop would be ok since you never cycled before.
Maybe some HCG in the PCT...
Formula1 Aficionado
masteron > primo imo
but yeah i'll say i agree with war, that you came across a little high strung and cocky. and since we see that everyday its a little hard to take seriously. but if you're ready to put in the work on the diet especially there will be people here to help you out. if you can post your diet too that would be good. just to check it out.
war you forgot me, i'm gonna be the light heavyweight champ in like 2 months (lol jk)
Junior Member
i say you two fighters duke it out !!
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hahah of course, i forgot my little buddy T Own... You know my offer still stands! Its like 75F right now in beautiful CA!
and yeah Masteron is better from what i hear....
But Primo is undetectable after a month or so... Not sure about Masteron... If you know, please do tell!
Formula1 Aficionado
i think around 2 months..
75 does sound nice... i was thinking about transferring to CA, maybe ucla or usc actually. gotta get outta here...
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alright 2months isnt bad...
Hell yeah dude! My lil bro goes to UCLA, nice views if you know what i mean! Come on out, im not far from USC campus! Drop me 100bucks a week and stay at the gym with me! Free training! Not a bad deal if you dont mind sleepin on the floor like i do!
hows that diet comin Beast...
and are you readin up on Mas and prop?
Last edited by WARMachine; 08-13-2008 at 07:43 PM.
Formula1 Aficionado
a decent place to start
http://www.steroid.com/Testosterone-Propionate.php
http://www.steroid.com/Masteron.php
Senior Member
Oh if the detection time is too long, Just do the Test Prop and finish off with the Anavar. Nice light cycle, GREAT for beginners with your goals. That combined with the cardio, you will be loving it.
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^^^ dude i dont think thats a good cycle for HIM personally....
1-12 Test Prop 50mg ED
1-12 Tren Ace 50mg ED
1-12 Mast Prop 50mg ED
4-12 Anavar 60mg ED
id would drop to 10wks
NO TREN! Tren is terrible on cardio, and we both know, how important that is in a fight.
and VAR from wk 5-10 @ 25mgs 2XD
and up to 75mgs daily
So thats
1-10 Test Prop 75mg ED
1-10 Mast 75mg ED
5-10 Anavar 25mg 2XD ED
that would probably be best
Senior Member
Good call on the Tren, I was too wrapped about the agression.
I still stick to saying that 525 a week on fresh clean virgin receptors is a waste though. That is going to be an expensive cycle anyway, why not embrace the first cycle?
meh, its not my body.
Formula1 Aficionado
2 dht's so i hope he isn't balding yet
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He can take some blockers...
Ive been reasearching this cycle for my bro, hes susceptible to male pattern baldness as well as other sides...
thank god i shave my head!!!
id rather be big and wear a hat, than be skinny and have a mullet!
Senior Member
DOn't forget, with the blockers you have to take them before you start. COrrect?
I am not a MPB candidate, so I MIGHT be wrong on that tidbit.
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Thanks guys. Everything is appericiated.
BTW, i may in fact come across as cocky, hell, I am. What fighter isnt. But Ive got a level head and definate goals.
Formula1 Aficionado
lol but this is the internet, not the ring
throw that diet up here
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First meal, 7 am:
8 oz. oatmeal 25 155 18 880
0.6 1 skim milk, 0.3% fat 21 29 2 240
0.2 1 orange juice --- 18 --- 80
3 oz. grapes 1 17 --- 70
47 219 20 1270
Second meal, 10.30 am:
10 oz, whole wheat bread 18 120 6 600
4 oz. cheese, 12% fat 22 5 10 200
0.51 kefir milk 20 20 4
1 banana 1 35 ---150
61 180 20 1150
Third meal, 2.00 pm:
8 oz. brown rice 22 170 6 850
10 oz. turkey 60 --- 5 300
5 oz. vegetables 1 7 --- 30
93 177 11 1180
Fourth meal, 5.30 pm
5 whole eggs 30 --- 30 400
16 Oz. baked potatoes 10 100 5 430
Mixed salad 1 10 ---50
41 110 35 880
Fifth meal, 9,00 pm:
7 oz. cottage cheese 25 5 4 200
7 Oz. whole wheat bread 12 80 4 400
1 oz. peanut buffer 6 3 10 120
1 apple, approx. 4 oz. --- 14 --- 60
0.2 1 orange juice --- 18 --- 80
43 120 18 860
Total: 285 806 104 5340
With a tweek here and there.A couple of Protien shakes added, and a little more tuna.
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When you start i believe... Again i could be wrong... im still learning and i did my first years ago!
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Not sure. There was a great thread on it here somewhere. I seem to recall starting treatment a couple weeks before cycling. But that is one of those things I don't care about. Like you I would rather be bald and big. . . .
But there is not a balding person on my mothers side or fathers side. So I have never sweat it. LOL, it is funny how we all remember the things that concern us the most.
Hell, I can eat DHT for breakfast and still have hair. . .LMAO.
Formula1 Aficionado
lol you definitely eat like a heavyweight. you might wanna look into that more. cutting carbs to 400g would be very good. slightly more protein too, like 400+g especially for someone your size
yeah thats true with the blockers, but just throwing that out there.
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there is no exact perfect, each one of these guys posted a great cycle, you cant really go wrong with any of them
as for tren, i havent had a fight on it, but ive wrestled tournaments and 100 practices.
imo trens sides come from progesterone, but dont overdo it.
i had serious sides on tren without letro but with letro i had serious gains
my last cycle i lowered the dosage towards the end due to emotional sides but this was it:
1-10 masteron 100mg (lowered to 60mg)
1-10 test p 100mg (lowered to 60mg)
1-10 tren a 50mg (lowered to 30mg)
4-7(about) var 70mg
letro .25mg ed
love it, next time ill use halo instead of var maybe though, and add 25mcg-50mcg ed of t3 for the tren
i went from 180 ~12% -> 215 ~7%
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yeah...as i stated a few tweeks here and there, cut the carbs a bit, add a bit more protine...ie the tuna, maybe falxseed oil.
Also I understand any cycle will have to be twisted to fit every individual. But all the advise is appericated.
Formula1 Aficionado
damn 35lb gained? that alone would be amazing, but with 5%bf dropped? sounds like i'll have to save that one for myself eventually
Banned
i actually coulda started at maybe 185-187 at most
i was gettin 6000+kcals a day
also ive seen like 210 ish with 10-12% bf before, i took a while off before that cycle, so muscle memory
also
PL 5-6x a week- 1-2 hours
mma-4x a week about 2-4 hours
wrestling 2-3x a week 2 hours
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With so much excercise, I don't see how you gained 35 in 10 weeks and 6000cals. What is your typical maintenance calories at the 200-215lb range?
The big question though, how much did you keep? ~15-20?
Banned
6000 is a little low ball i will post my diet
i got hit by a car a week into pct i weigh 170 right now, i broke my femur 2x, hip, arm2x, crushed my hand. 4 surgeries and i still need more
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OH so now YOU are the 170lb e-toughman? j/k
DAMN dude, that sucks. Hmmm, I wonder if you had been on hgh a few months prior and maintained usage, if your healing would go faster? Always a curiosity of mine (being old and all lol) because of how young people recover so much better. And we all know younger people obviously have lots of natural GH.
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Sample Diet
Meal 1 options:
Oatmeal and a shake, multivitamin,
Whole-grain pasta spaghetti, multivitamin
Whole-grain pasta chicken Alfredo, multivitamin
Raisin bran with skim milk and a shake, multivitamin
Meal 2 options:
Shake, Tuna sandwich on whole-wheat bread and mixed vegetables
Shake, Chicken Parmesan and whole-grain pasta and mixed vegetables
Shake, Spaghetti with 95/5 ground beef, or ground turkey and mixed vegetables
Meal 3 options:
Tuna sandwich on whole-wheat bread and mixed vegetables
Chicken Parmesan and whole-grain pasta and mixed vegetables
Spaghetti with 95/5 ground beef, or ground turkey and mixed vegetables
(Optional) Meal 4 options:
Tuna sandwich on whole-wheat bread and mixed vegetables
Chicken Parmesan and whole-grain pasta and mixed vegetables
Spaghetti with 95/5 ground beef, or ground turkey and mixed vegetables
Meal 5 options:
Tuna and mixed vegetables, multivitamins
Chicken Parmesan and mixed vegetables, multivitamins
Turkey and mixed Vegetables, multivitamins
(Optional) Meal 6:
Shake, mixed vegetables
Generally I try to meet the following each day, to maintain variety
1-2 gallons of water
½-1 gallon of skim milk
6 servings of vegetables (2 servings each time they are listed)
4-6 servings of fruit (2 servings in each shake)
2 multivitamins
1 serving of chicken
1 serving of tuna
All ingredients are either whole-wheat, multi-grain, skim milk, baked, grilled or boiled.
There are no fried or breaded foods.
Neither butter nor salt should be added to any meal.
Shakes include: skim milk, two scoops of powder, one egg, two servings of fruit like bananas and berries, and ice cream.
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So do you think this diet would work for me as well. I wasnt sure if you were trying to drop weight or gain. Im obviously trying to drop but also know my workouts will burn alot of calories.
I am doing an am run 1 mile.
Tire carry runs
step ups with 150 lb log
work from 9-5
pm work out Resistant/free weight/ mma bag work
pm run 1 mile
Stairs
tire work
sit ups/push ups
So I would be incorporating this into my day. What do you think ?
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the carb sources are not that greatSo do you think this diet would work for me as well. I wasnt sure if you were trying to drop weight or gain. Im obviously trying to drop but also know my workouts will burn alot of calories.
I am doing an am run 1 mile.
Tire carry runs
step ups with 150 lb log
work from 9-5
pm work out Resistant/free weight/ mma bag work
pm run 1 mile
Stairs
tire work
sit ups/push ups
So I would be incorporating this into my day. What do you think ?
you should replace the bread/sandwiches/pasta with potatoes lentils etc check out the diet forum
i just dont store fat im so naturally lean im not so strict on myself. at my most piggy sloppy point in life i was 13%
imo the only difference between a bulk and cut is portion sizing
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Very true. And for those of us whose "piggy sloppy" BF is a lot higher than 13%, we have to cut carbs and look at the types of carbs. (high/low glycemic )
Most of us who aren't blessed with leaness have to cut our carbs back. I can still cut and put on mass if I practically ditch all carbs and shove protien in my face instead. Usually at 5-10% carbs from whole grains I am good on enery, fat reduction and putting on lean mass.
But to do that I have to eat lots of protiens which can damn near put you in debt when you try to make a 5-6000k meal using 70-80% meat and protien.
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Nice diet. You know what I like. . .MILK. GOOD WHOLE MILK!!! SO good for you. Glad to see you incorporate plenty of milk! Of course, I only have whole milk on a cheat day. I absolutely cannot STAND skim milk for anything but shakes. If I drink it, its 2%.
Of course, I will never see single digit BF or even 10% because I REFUSE to give up some foods. Somethings are just NOT up for compromise.
Formula1 Aficionado
thats pretty solid.. is that just for cycle, or all the time? and do one of those meals serve as pwo or is that extra?
kyne you GOTTA go skim! haha. besides the fat and calories, it has more protein than 2% or 4% milk
Last edited by T_Own; 08-13-2008 at 10:10 PM.
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yeah whichever that has a shake in the middle is post workout
its always my diet, but basically on cycle i have the optional meals, off i dont.
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