Americans take back hijacked ship

[Nooomoto]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...l/6364440.html

So apparently, some Somali pirates hijacked an American cargo ship carrying relief supplies to Kenya. Then the American crew of 20 managed to somehow take back control of the ship, and may have even captured one of the pirates.

Good show, crew!

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

haha, Pretty cool.

Like watching a movie. I didn't know pirates still roamed.

[RA]

Problem is its hard to track them...

[sloth9]

So did you hear about the skipper trying to escape, yeah the navy ship should have been on the ball cause when he jumped out he could have gone under water and the navy could have sniped many the pirates before they could have hurt the skipper. Also why havent they sniped the pirates yet, if they had a sniper ready blast them when they come to the opening, no more pirates and guess what skipper has a great chance of survival. Any way Obama is a p*ssy and so the skipper will probably be paid for or die one or the other, Our government is a bunch of idiots, did you hear about Kerry saying I am going to call for senate talks, and Hillary saying she was going to talk to the U.N. riiiigggggghhhhhhht! the U.N. is the biggest joke in history, screw the U.N. when we need help nothing happens but when they say jump we say how high. Stupid liberals, I hope they all die hugging trees.

I hope the Skipper gets away and comes home, I really do but Obama doesnt care at all, so we need to brace ourselves for the skipper to come home in a casket. Thanks alot Liberal morons

[TexSavant]

So did you hear about the skipper trying to escape, yeah the navy ship should have been on the ball cause when he jumped out he could have gone under water and the navy could have sniped many the pirates before they could have hurt the skipper. Also why havent they sniped the pirates yet, if they had a sniper ready blast them when they come to the opening, no more pirates and guess what skipper has a great chance of survival. Any way Obama is a p*ssy and so the skipper will probably be paid for or die one or the other, Our government is a bunch of idiots, did you hear about Kerry saying I am going to call for senate talks, and Hillary saying she was going to talk to the U.N. riiiigggggghhhhhhht! the U.N. is the biggest joke in history, screw the U.N. when we need help nothing happens but when they say jump we say how high. Stupid liberals, I hope they all die hugging trees.

I hope the Skipper gets away and comes home, I really do but Obama doesnt care at all, so we need to brace ourselves for the skipper to come home in a casket. Thanks alot Liberal morons

While I do not share your contempt for President Obama, I agree with the sentiment you express. Its frustrating to see this happen. What we need to do is send the SEALs in and try to save the guy. And Kill the pirates of course. Maybe if we put them on stakes and line them up on the beach this sh*t won't happen to american ships anymore. I Cant believe we're just hangin out NEGOTIATING WITH PIRATES, while THE FRENCH are Kicking ass and not bothering to take names.

[BuffedGuy]

Hillary saying she was going to talk to the U.N. riiiigggggghhhhhhht! the U.N. is the biggest joke in history, screw the U.N. when we need help nothing happens but when they say jump we say how high. Stupid liberals, I hope they all die hugging trees.

When Iraq invades a country without UN approval, then America uses this as a justification for sanctions and bombing of Iraq. HOW DARE YOU INVADE A COUNTRY, utter the Americans. Yet these same Americans sanction America taking "unilateral action" (i.e. invading countries illegally without UN approval). Hypocrisy at its finest.

Liberal morons

I have found that the liberals are usually the educated ones from the prestigious schools of the nation, whereas the neo-cons are the dumber ones. The neo-cons have a simplistic understanding: "let's go destroy them all, and then let God sort it out"...whereas liberals give nuanced and balanced (educated) answers.

While I do not share your contempt for President Obama, I agree with the sentiment you express. Its frustrating to see this happen. What we need to do is send the SEALs in and try to save the guy. And Kill the pirates of course. Maybe if we put them on stakes and line them up on the beach this sh*t won't happen to american ships anymore. I Cant believe we're just hangin out NEGOTIATING WITH PIRATES, while THE FRENCH are Kicking ass and not bothering to take names.

Somalia has been through fifteen plus years of anarchy and is in a very dire situation. Western countries have devastated Somalia's fishing industry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjreRSFNLTI

And here is a more reliable source about how Somalia's fishing industry is being destroyed:

http://www.dfid.gov.uk/pubs/files/il...rag-report.pdf

[MuscleScience]

I have found that the liberals are usually the educated ones from the prestigious schools of the nation, whereas the neo-cons are the dumber ones. The neo-cons have a simplistic understanding: "let's go destroy them all, and then let God sort it out"...whereas liberals give nuanced and balanced (educated) answers.
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According to my IQ scores which place me in the the top few percentile of the population, I find that most liberals are only liberal because their Harvard East Coast buddies are liberal. Additionally they live in a world not based on reality. They think in terms only how their liberal ivy league Poly Sci or Soc Professor told them living in the mid west or the South makes you an ignorant red neck, that spanking your kids is bad and that being white is somehow bad and that all the pale skin racist should pay for the sins of their fathers. But only at the expense of those of the average middle class. Oh and liberals like to yell at people that label other people only to label them as uneducated when they disagree with there perverse understanding of how the world should work not how it really works. In conclusion I believe this link says it best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAxailJPU5Q

[BuffedGuy]

According to my IQ scores which place me in the the top few percentile of the population, I find that most liberals are only liberal because their Harvard East Coast buddies are liberal. Additionally they live in a world not based on reality. They think in terms only how their liberal ivy league Poly Sci or Soc Professor told them living in the mid west or the South makes you an ignorant red neck, that spanking your kids is bad and that being white is somehow bad and that all the pale skin racist should pay for the sins of their fathers. But only at the expense of those of the average middle class. Oh and liberals like to yell at people that label other people only to label them as uneducated when they disagree with there perverse understanding of how the world should work not how it really works. In conclusion I believe this link says it best.

An ivory-tower education usually makes one more progressive thinking. It expands one's mind, and thereby makes it harder to be bigoted.

Said another way: the "hicks" don't get a good university education, and hence are left to fester in their intolerance, bigotry, and simple mindedness.

[Kratos]

Somalia has been through fifteen plus years of anarchy and is in a very dire situation. Western countries have devastated Somalia's fishing industry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjreRSFNLTI

And here is a more reliable source about how Somalia's fishing industry is being destroyed:

http://www.dfid.gov.uk/pubs/files/il...rag-report.pdf

Do you even read your own links? Or just spout off Amercan and western hate then hope nobody will look? There is a table of contens, it doesn't take long. Here, I'll quote for you the section on unregulated fishing's impact. Hmm, doesn't seem to me like the West are the ones doing the poaching.

4.1.1.4. East Africa
Moving to the Indian Ocean, east African countries appear to suffer from IUU fishing
of many resources including shrimp, but here tuna is of greater importance. Some of
this IUU is from border-hopping activities – such as the reported IUU fishing by
Kenyan shrimp trawlers in Somali waters – and some of it is DWFN activity, such as
the Taiwanese longline activity in Tanzanian waters that in 2001 we estimate to have
been worth about $20m (Annex A). Recent reports is that this has been brought
under control by Tanzanian authorities, through improved licensing schemes, but this
has yet to be validated and there are other aspects of IUU in Tanzanian waters that
would bear scrutiny, such as possible underreporting by DWFN under access
agreements. As with the situation in Sierra Leone, the rampant IUU activity (tuna and
shrimp) in Somali waters is caused by low MCS capability but most importantly weak
regulatory structures and corruption 94brought on by the recent protracted civil war.

As for your other youtube video blaming nuclear waste for destruction of fishing industry and the west making them sick...that asshole isn't exactly telling the whole story either, is he? Just the exciting part he wants you to hear, all while criticizing the news for doing the same.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle418665.ece

"Local warlords, many of them former ministers in Siad Barre’s last government, received large payments from Swiss and Italian firms for access to their respective fiefdoms"

"contracts signed by the two companies and representatives of the then “President” — Ali Mahdi Mohamed — to accept 10 million tonnes of toxic waste in exchange for $80 million (then about £60 million)."


Why not blame the people who sold the rights to the waters when you can blame the West? There must be a better place for you to go hate America then here.

[RA]

When Iraq invades a country without UN approval, then America uses this as a justification for sanctions and bombing of Iraq. HOW DARE YOU INVADE A COUNTRY, utter the Americans. Yet these same Americans sanction America taking "unilateral action" (i.e. invading countries illegally without UN approval). Hypocrisy at its finest.



I have found that the liberals are usually the educated ones from the prestigious schools of the nation, whereas the neo-cons are the dumber ones. The neo-cons have a simplistic understanding: "let's go destroy them all, and then let God sort it out"...whereas liberals give nuanced and balanced (educated) answers.

Actually we were backing up a un resolution by invading Iraq..

Yes, the old liberal montra. We are the smart, educated ones and anyone that doesnt think like us must be a idiot. Anymore it cracks me up. Especially when you look at liberal policies that never work for the benefit of the US. Liberals base there success on intentions, not outcome.

[BgMc31]

Actually we were backing up a un resolution by invading Iraq..

Yes, the old liberal montra. We are the smart, educated ones and anyone that doesnt think like us must be a idiot. Anymore it cracks me up. Especially when you look at liberal policies that never work for the benefit of the US. Liberals base there success on intentions, not outcome.

Funny how many of your conservatives stoop to liberal bashing. But let's face it, BOTH liberal and conservative policies have FVCKED up this country. When we had a conservative government (most of Bush's tenure) there was bad policy after bad policy. Now with Obama and an all-liberal government there are many policies that could potentially ruin the country. And I'm a huge Obama supporter. I'm just more willing to give the guy more than 90days to make my assessment.

Also strange how no one pointed out that Obama gave the go ahead for this military action. Conservatives are always whining that he won't protect Americans, his actions here proved otherwise. But now the conservatives are saying he waited about announcing this because he's a political opportunist and that if this would have gone badly, the 'mainstream' media would have pushed it under the rug. So no matter what the man does, he won't garner conservative support, so I admire him for sticking to his guns. Bush did the same thing while he was president. He knew he wouldn't get any support from liberals, but he didn't give a fvck as long as he had support from his conservative supporters.

[thegodfather]

Actually we were backing up a un resolution by invading Iraq..

Yes, the old liberal montra. We are the smart, educated ones and anyone that doesnt think like us must be a idiot. Anymore it cracks me up. Especially when you look at liberal policies that never work for the benefit of the US. Liberals base there success on intentions, not outcome.

Why should we let our foreign policy be dictated by a foreign organization? Adhering to UN mandates only serves to further erode the sovereignty of the United States, and quells the voice and desires of the American people to have a say in what their government does.

A "true" conservative like you are claiming to be, respects constitutional doctrines, and would only advocate going to war on a declaration by Congress, the representatives closest to the people, and most apt to know what they want or what is in their best interests. In this case, you seem to suggest that the UN knew what was best for us, or that one person(POTUS) knew what was best for us, and was allowed to make that decision. In either case I dont see how EITHER justification adheres to conservative ideology.

[PT]

When Iraq invades a country without UN approval, then America uses this as a justification for sanctions and bombing of Iraq. HOW DARE YOU INVADE A COUNTRY, utter the Americans. Yet these same Americans sanction America taking "unilateral action" (i.e. invading countries illegally without UN approval). Hypocrisy at its finest.



I have found that the liberals are usually the educated ones from the prestigious schools of the nation, whereas the neo-cons are the dumber ones. The neo-cons have a simplistic understanding: "let's go destroy them all, and then let God sort it out"...whereas liberals give nuanced and balanced (educated) answers.



Somalia has been through fifteen plus years of anarchy and is in a very dire situation. Western countries have devastated Somalia's fishing industry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjreRSFNLTI

And here is a more reliable source about how Somalia's fishing industry is being destroyed:

http://www.dfid.gov.uk/pubs/files/il...rag-report.pdf

you do realize you are american right? sometimes it seems like you have forgotten that. my advice to you is to move to the middle east or better yet somalia since you seem to be so anti-american and see how those animals treat you

[BuffedGuy]

Peace be unto you, PT.

you do realize you are american right? sometimes it seems like you have forgotten that. my advice to you is to move to the middle east or better yet somalia since you seem to be so anti-american and see how those animals treat you

I am very much American. I am simply strongly opposed to the war-mongering foreign policy, which I believe is 100% un-American. Our Founding Fathers (including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Quincy Adams, etc.) founded this country on the principle of non-interventionism. As Thomas Jefferson said in his inaugural address: "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling al.liance's with none." So what I call for is a return to what America was founded upon.

So who then is being anti-American? The one who upholds the beliefs that this country was founded upon, or the one who goes 100% against them?

Lastly, I think you really should reflect on the underlined part above. Are you implying that Middle Easterners and/or Somalians are "animals"? Do you realize how racist and bigoted that is? This is very much like how the whites used to tell blacks in the 1950s: "Stop complaining about America, and go back to Africa and see how those animals treat you."

Seriously bro, think on it. I am not trying to bash you here, but actually trying to get you to think, God-Willing.

With regards to this particular issue of Somalia, I do agree that America had the absolute right to strike back and recover its citizen. No doubt about that.

More to come, God-Willing.

[Nooomoto]

WTF does any of this have to do with pirates?

[Nooomoto]

I'm glad...I was getting scared that we were gonna be gay and let the Captain die.

[Tigershark]

I loved hearing the Navy Seals took those pricks out. But just watch and see..the Somali government or the Amnisty International douche bags are going to start whinning because the forth one was on board the Navy warship negotiating his release already. Hope they fed those pirates to the sharks.

[Kratos]

http://www.illegal-fishing.info/item...5&approach_id=

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/02/05/us...gan,%20Timothy

http://assets.panda.org/downloads/iu...rt_summary.pdf

http://www.redorbit.com/news/science...una/index.html

The west is stealing their fish, so they have the right to turn to piracy...stupidity.
And there is no evidence of toxic waste reducing fish stocks in Somolia.

[j4ever41]

Like I pointed out, we have govt run healthcare in the military. I have several family members in the military and their healthcare sucks.

I can personally back up this statement,it was like the healthcare i received while in the military was running 25 years behind the times and that includes the skill level of the surgeons, i finally had enough of the incompetence and went into a civy hospital with a civy surgeon and it was like night and day.

[RA]

Thanks for your input bro. Any responses?

Like I pointed out, we have govt run healthcare in the military. I have several family members in the military and their healthcare sucks.

I can personally back up this statement,it was like the healthcare i received while in the military was running 25 years behind the times and that includes the skill level of the surgeons, i finally had enough of the incompetence and went into a civy hospital with a civy surgeon and it was like night and day.

[Nooomoto]

Also strange how no one pointed out that Obama gave the go ahead for this military action.

Legally, Obama was obligated to "authorize" deadly force. He had no choice. The only time hostages do not take priority over all else in a situation is when there is a nuclear weapon involved. This is the ONLY time that hostages can be legally expendable.

So yeah, he "authorized" the killing of the pirates, but really he had no other choice.

[MuscleScience]

Oh and speaking of history lessons for all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7M-7LkvcVw

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Oh and speaking of history lessons for all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7M-7LkvcVw

Well what are we suppose to do? To end this 2 party hissy fit?

[MuscleScience]

Well what are we suppose to do? To end this 2 party hissy fit?

Move back to the Republic to which we were founded. It would be very easy to do since we have a document that mandates how we can do it. (Constitution)

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Move back to the Republic to which we were founded. It would be very easy to do since we have a document that mandates how we can do it. (Constitution)

Yeah I know. But realistically speaking. lol
It seems like we are so far into this 2 party system.
Seems like more than half the people I've talked to didn't even know you could vote for a 3rd person during election time.

What needs to be done? On your part, my part, the peoples part? I mean, is this gonna be a grab your guns, revolution time thing or what?


It really just aggravates me. And I guess what frustrates me more is Im such a political newb . But Im trying here. Thanks to some fellow friends around here

[MuscleScience]

Yeah I know. But realistically speaking. lol
It seems like we are so far into this 2 party system.
Seems like more than half the people I've talked to didn't even know you could vote for a 3rd person during election time.

What needs to be done? On your part, my part, the peoples part? I mean, is this gonna be a grab your guns, revolution time thing or what?


It really just aggravates me. And I guess what frustrates me more is Im such a political newb . But Im trying here. Thanks to some fellow friends around here

The only way a people can truly be free is to be educated about the happenings of the government that governs over them. I dont mean to be educated by the government itself, because obviously you can see how dangerous that is.

[SMCengineer]

Oh and speaking of history lessons for all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7M-7LkvcVw

Good video. I particullary dislike when people use the word "democracy" to describe our government and it's so pervasive most think it's what we actually have.

[MuscleScience]

Good video. I particullary dislike when people use the word "democracy" to describe our government and it's so pervasive most think it's what we actually have.

And really its more correct to say that the US Government is really a Federation as appose to a pure republic. Under the US constitution all member States of the union had to have a republic style government. Where as the states early on were most responsible for the running the day to day lives of its citizens far more so than that of the Federal Government. Of course we know over time, against the Founding Fathers intents the Federal government took much more control of these duties than was originally intended.

[sloth9]

Oh and speaking of history lessons for all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7M-7LkvcVw

Man did you watch any of the others, its scary. How can we change America back without wars, and brutal force and keep from having riots and violence. I am very oppinionated but the last thing I want is violence to change our country. This was a great video props to you!

[Kratos]

Oh and speaking of history lessons for all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7M-7LkvcVw

Great video, I'm gonna send to my little brother. He's a blome Jr. as far as politics.

[SMCengineer]

Great video, I'm gonna send to my little brother. He's a blome Jr. as far as politics.

Haha, that's awesome!

[Kratos]

Haha, that's awesome!

He got in an argument with one of his college profs who called America a democracy. There is hope yet for your revoloution. Ron Paul does make me a little nervous because I think he would just end up at odds with the house, creating a stale mate where nothing gets done if he were pres. But this country needs to find a way to balance itself soon.

[SMCengineer]

Time to issue letters of marque and reprisal.

[Kratos]

Time to issue letters of marque and reprisal.

Like hire private pirate bounty hunters?
Damn blome, nobody can say you aren't consistant.

I like the aircraft carrier idea, there could be an f-16 up there ass within 15 min and filling their little pirate ship with 20mm cannon rounds, if pirates should give chase. Only I think Egypt should have to foot some of the bill. They make 4.2 billion on the Suez and they could help protect it by tossing in a few hundred mil.

[SMCengineer]

Like hire private pirate bounty hunters?
Damn blome, nobody can say you aren't consistant.

I like the aircraft carrier idea, there could be an f-16 up there ass within 15 min and filling their little pirate ship with 20mm cannon rounds, if pirates should give chase. Only I think Egypt should have to foot some of the bill. They make 4.2 billion on the Suez and they could help protect it by tossing in a few hundred mil.

Well, not so much private bounty hunters, but authorizing the shipowners themselves to act on behalf of the US to and protect their own ships by arming themselves.

[Kratos]

Well, not so much private bounty hunters, but authorizing the shipowners themselves to act on behalf of the US to and protect their own ships by arming themselves.

The International Maritime Organization FORBIDS arming the crews of civilian vessels. They are only allowed to use fire hoses to ward off unwanted boarders. Not much good if the lead ship of the pirates has an RPG pointed at them. Anyway the crews are small and they aren't trained for it. I don't think giving a bunch of inexperienced sailors automatic weapon with hundreds of rounds of ammo would be a very good idea, and they'd never be allowd in any international ports.

[SMCengineer]

The International Maritime Organization FORBIDS arming the crews of civilian vessels. They are only allowed to use fire hoses to ward off unwanted boarders. Not much good if the lead ship of the pirates has an RPG pointed at them. Anyway the crews are small and they aren't trained for it. I don't think giving a bunch of inexperienced sailors automatic weapon with hundreds of rounds of ammo would be a very good idea, and they'd never be allowd in any international ports.

I'm sure fighting off armed pirates with a fire hose will do the trick, haha. I see it as no surprise that pirates don't follow the International Maritime Organiization, but than again I guess criminals don't abide by the law.

He got in an argument with one of his college profs who called America a democracy. There is hope yet for your revoloution. Ron Paul does make me a little nervous because I think he would just end up at odds with the house, creating a stale mate where nothing gets done if he were pres. But this country needs to find a way to balance itself soon.

Nothing wrong with stalemates. The less legislation the better.

[BuffedGuy]

Seems like I missed out on all the fun. Sorry guys, I was traveling (and now in my surgery rotation). Interestingly enough, the entire flight was full of American soldiers. Gotta admit: those guys are huge. But anyways, I will try to respond to some of the posts as time allows, God-Willing.