Cash for Clunkers went bankrupt after four days

[yucon92]

i hope he doesnt fail also cause i live here but sounds to me like all hes gonna do is help the ones thatdont wanna work and spit out 14 babies and get paid fot it while the decent hard working middle class gets rapped

[Dancer]

i hope he doesnt fail also cause i live here but sounds to me like all hes gonna do is help the ones thatdont wanna work and spit out 14 babies and get paid fot it while the decent hard working middle class gets rapped

I am not sure what anyone can expect from one man...

Look at the facts there is not too many sectors of he economy that are doing even good... few to none that are doing great.

Is this program another step at throughing mud at the wall and seeing what sticks, prob yes.

Can anyone blaim one man, sure people can blaim just Bush or just Obama but its not realistic. The fact of the matter is that the mofo is trying. Pro or against Obama/Bush many can't argue that effort is being put in to do something.

Are social welfare prgrams being funded at greater rates than before, sure they are. I have a friend who's wife went through R.N. school after her prior company shut down, the extended unemployment program helped. So, not all persons on extended welfare programs are draining blood.

There not an easy solution. I wish there was.

[Immortal Soldier]

funny how u say bush/cheney single handily destroyed our economy.
then u say obama is just a man, he cannot single handily change anything, he needs congress..why was ccongress left out of ur blame with bush, tey passed the laws for deregulation allowing wall streets/ finance sector to run wild.

during bush last term, congress was the same it is today, a disaster, far left mental liberals led by someone who should be considered a domestic terrorist nancy pelosi..

and take ur own advise, dont place n=blame on one man, or even two...blame the entire US givernment..

The difference here is Bush had a republican majority in both houses that BACKED him blindly, Obama has a democratic majority now in both houses, but the Dems themselves cannot agree on what they want let alone agree with the Republicans

The only time laws get passed is when the houses match the President's party, except in this case the Dems cannot agree on what is better saving the American economy or saving their face for the upcoming election. Nobody wants to be the person who "fails" with health care, the Republicans put it down so in case it does fail they can say "Its the dems fault" and the Dems cannot agree because they want the bill to be perfect to avoid failing.

btw, the f-22 is not pure waste, useful airplanes were delivered...maybe they are quite a bit more costly then the joint strike fighter, but the joint strike fighter is not a direct replacement for the f-22...it's a pig in a dog fight. The pentagon wastes a ton, but it was an airplane they wanted, and it was a massive leap forward. We will fly that plane for the next 20-30 years even though we don't produce it anymore. It's like calling the f-16 a pet project because we don't make them anymore.

Yeah, go research the F-22, the program was becoming a coffin call, more planes were going down and problems surfacing in the aircraft TOWARDS THE END OF THE PROGRAM then in the beginning. Hence why Obama halted all flights until an investigation was put it.

The F-22 is a "Hollywood plane" pure and simple, it looks nice and has all the gadgets, but what is its use? Who have we fought or going to fight that will be able to challenge us in the air effectively? Russia and China are years away from releasing their new fighter jets and a conflict with them in the near future is slim to none.

The plane itself is a quagmire, for every hour of flight it needs 30 hours of maintenance think about it the plane is as tough as Paris Hilton. It needs more work to survive than Joan Rivers' face.

The F-35 is a cheaper yet effective alternative for the current climate, it's not like terrorists are magically going to develop an air force. The F-22 has not seen combat in a while and probably won't for a while.

The F-16 was and still is the ideal image of the airforce it is versatile/cheaper/effective and still one of the best fighter aircrafts in the world if not the best (but lets not go there because then it becomes a debate over the new Russian Migs vs F-16's)

[Kratos]

Yeah, go research the F-22, the program was becoming a coffin call, more planes were going down and problems surfacing in the aircraft TOWARDS THE END OF THE PROGRAM then in the beginning. Hence why Obama halted all flights until an investigation was put it.

The F-22 is a "Hollywood plane" pure and simple, it looks nice and has all the gadgets, but what is its use? Who have we fought or going to fight that will be able to challenge us in the air effectively? Russia and China are years away from releasing their new fighter jets and a conflict with them in the near future is slim to none.

The plane itself is a quagmire, for every hour of flight it needs 30 hours of maintenance think about it the plane is as tough as Paris Hilton. It needs more work to survive than Joan Rivers' face.

The F-35 is a cheaper yet effective alternative for the current climate, it's not like terrorists are magically going to develop an air force. The F-22 has not seen combat in a while and probably won't for a while.

The F-16 was and still is the ideal image of the airforce it is versatile/cheaper/effective and still one of the best fighter aircrafts in the world if not the best (but lets not go there because then it becomes a debate over the new Russian Migs vs F-16's)

I know the problems with the F-22. There is a diffence between unintentionally developing an expensive airplane with problems, then flushing money down the toilet. Sometimes innovation isn't a straight line. They're made by the same company...no? So you don't think much of the devolopment costs for the JSF carry over to the f-22 program? Look at the photo, can you even tell which one is which?

If they can solve the cost of flight hour issue, it will be the superior fighter plane and the best plane in a dogfight we've ever built. Do they need it? prolly not, but development began far before Bush.

[Immortal Soldier]

I know the problems with the F-22. There is a diffence between unintentionally developing an expensive airplane with problems, then flushing money down the toilet. Sometimes innovation isn't a straight line. They're made by the same company...no? So you don't think much of the devolopment costs for the JSF carry over to the f-22 program? Look at the photo, can you even tell which one is which?

If they can solve the cost of flight hour issue, it will be the superior fighter plane and the best plane in a dogfight we've ever built. Do they need it? prolly not, but development began far before Bush.

Yes, I can tell which one is which. The bottom is clearly the F-22, the differences are more than noticeable to anyone with an idea of what an F-22 looks like.

The JSF is not necessarily the better of the two fighters, but it is the more economical version. Do you think the military really wants to have airplanes that take over 2 days of repairs and maintenance after they were in the air for only 2 hours?

No, this plane is made for dogfighting and I can tell you something if this its not going to survive if it is a prima donna that needs 30 hours of maintenance for one hour in the fvcking air. Not because its not strong enough because it is, but because it has no endurance, no ability to accept wear and tear.

The military is taking the right approach, canceling the F-22 at around 230 planes and deciding to order some 2,300+ F-35's.

[monkeyman33]

Obama is the most deceitful person in the history of the U.S. government. He lies through his teeth everyday and does it while at the same time jabbering on and on about nothing except broad generalizations about how he will fix everything. He is the biggest radical to ever set foot in the white house and he is the frikkin president. I hate to say this but I hope someone takes him out and I think you guys know what I mean. I personally believe he could be the Anti-Christ.

[Hunter]

Obama is the most deceitful person in the history of the U.S. government. He lies through his teeth everyday and does it while at the same time jabbering on and on about nothing except broad generalizations about how he will fix everything. He is the biggest radical to ever set foot in the white house and he is the frikkin president. I hate to say this but I hope someone takes him out and I think you guys know what I mean. I personally believe he could be the Anti-Christ.

When people say shit like that you make all christians look as crazy as you are.

[ray0414]

As much as i hated bush for all those years, and he did indeed suck, but i learned a few years ago that BUSH wasnt neccessarily responsible for the tanking of the economy, just throwing a couple extra logs on the fire. The fire WAS STARTED BY CLINTON! Clinton was the president who supported and signed NAFTA. Nafta is what started it allllllllllll.

[monkeyman33]

Bush never manipulated the media. All news outlets were totally against him including the traditional left wing stations except fox which covered him fairly either good or bad, just the truth and nothing more. With Obama he is not manipulating the media, rather the media decides to not report the news but their radical views and Obama happens to be their poster boy. Obama is making stupid decisions left and right and including the cutting of spending on military, why??? He is a nut case I hate that fool.

[BgMc31]

Bush never manipulated the media. All news outlets were totally against him including the traditional left wing stations except fox which covered him fairly either good or bad, just the truth and nothing more. With Obama he is not manipulating the media, rather the media decides to not report the news but their radical views and Obama happens to be their poster boy. Obama is making stupid decisions left and right and including the cutting of spending on military, why??? He is a nut case I hate that fool.

The absurdity of that comment doesn't even deserve a response.

[southmadejd]

Bush never manipulated the media. All news outlets were totally against him including the traditional left wing stations except fox which covered him fairly either good or bad, just the truth and nothing more. With Obama he is not manipulating the media, rather the media decides to not report the news but their radical views and Obama happens to be their poster boy. Obama is making stupid decisions left and right and including the cutting of spending on military, why??? He is a nut case I hate that fool.

Dude no news stations give the TRUTH and nothing more, including Fox News. They all have their own hidden agendas.

[Lemonada8]

Dude no news stations give the TRUTH and nothing more, including Fox News. They all have their own hidden agendas.

X2... u gotta watch them with a grain of salt...

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80711587/

Its a about that cars.gov website.

[monkeyman33]

Cash for clunkers is nothing more then a huge publicity stunt gone horribly wrong. How can the president straight face say the program was a great success, let me tell you, he is the master of all deceit. The program was supposed to be funded till November the 1st, but is wiped out in four days? What happens when they issue 2 billion more? The program lasts for eight days now? The true question is why is Obama in such a frenzy to spend so much money for every last little thing; he is inept and incapable of explaining anything with any detail and his ignorance on the subjects which he carefully chooses to speak publicly about are staged. The guy can not even give a speech without a teleprompter for goodness sakes. All I'm saying is that Obama is so good at mesmerizing and deceiving the people with beautiful lies that it makes you wonder what his bigger plan is, I think it is something of disaster and only time will tell.

[Mr Tick]

Use cars.gov and lose control of your files??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWs12ccbOiE

What yall think?

[Immortal Soldier]

Cash for clunkers is nothing more then a huge publicity stunt gone horribly wrong. How can the president straight face say the program was a great success, let me tell you, he is the master of all deceit. The program was supposed to be funded till November the 1st, but is wiped out in four days? What happens when they issue 2 billion more? The program lasts for eight days now? The true question is why is Obama in such a frenzy to spend so much money for every last little thing; he is inept and incapable of explaining anything with any detail and his ignorance on the subjects which he carefully chooses to speak publicly about are staged. The guy can not even give a speech without a teleprompter for goodness sakes. All I'm saying is that Obama is so good at mesmerizing and deceiving the people with beautiful lies that it makes you wonder what his bigger plan is, I think it is something of disaster and only time will tell.

Yeah you are right Obama was the only president who used teleprompters, what a moron for not having an entire 30 minute speech memorized

[IM708]

Bush never manipulated the media. All news outlets were totally against him including the traditional left wing stations except fox which covered him fairly either good or bad, just the truth and nothing more. With Obama he is not manipulating the media, rather the media decides to not report the news but their radical views and Obama happens to be their poster boy. Obama is making stupid decisions left and right and including the cutting of spending on military, why??? He is a nut case I hate that fool.

Cash for clunkers is nothing more then a huge publicity stunt gone horribly wrong. How can the president straight face say the program was a great success, let me tell you, he is the master of all deceit. The program was supposed to be funded till November the 1st, but is wiped out in four days? What happens when they issue 2 billion more? The program lasts for eight days now? The true question is why is Obama in such a frenzy to spend so much money for every last little thing; he is inept and incapable of explaining anything with any detail and his ignorance on the subjects which he carefully chooses to speak publicly about are staged. The guy can not even give a speech without a teleprompter for goodness sakes. All I'm saying is that Obama is so good at mesmerizing and deceiving the people with beautiful lies that it makes you wonder what his bigger plan is, I think it is something of disaster and only time will tell.

Can you please just leave this thread? I feel my IQ dropping when I read your comments.

[TITANIUM]

Interesting views.Immortal is actually, what I call book smart.Prone is a x-military(I presume, as myself), so we know how broken the system is.To know how corrupt the government is, you need to work for it.

The tax payers have the right to protest, but they are wasting there time.I have alot to say on this subject, actually too much.I believe in a good government and president.But, that is not how it went down.Obama's "slight of hand" used to get in office was executed brilliantly.But is far from a prize.

The Bush administration is not the only admin that screwed things up.I'm a Regan man myself. He was the last of a certain type of president.One which we will never see again.It was a honor to serve under that administration.

All things being fare, we can all agree with one thing, that we, as a people, do not like the way the government is running things.The whole thing is dirty.It's a long laundry list of shit.

Our forefathers new how a Constitution should be constructed.If what is going on now, took place 150 years ago, they would hang all of them for tyranny.

I'll catch shit on this post, but that's is what I exspect .I respect all of the opinions voiced here, that's the great thing about an open forum, you can voice your opinion.

After all, it's your first amendment........

[Kratos]

innovation will save the enviroment, not a few extra miles per gallon
smaller more fuel efficent cars are not the future

first of all cars, light trucks and SUV's combined represent 28% of greenhouse gas emissions.

Second of all, we're going to burn all the gas until it's gone, end of story.

[monkeyman33]

hey ironmaiden, take a hike! I feel my IQ dropping when I read your posts and that is why I just ignore you. Immortal soldier, Obama is a douche bag and you know it, this guy if he is so smart and so intelligent can not even give a three minute speech without a teleprompter let alone thirty minutes. Bush was way more intelligent then Obama even though Obama is all gloss on the surface and a stage act. Nothing more than a dog and pony show with Robert Gibbs dumb ass always trying to defend the pres for his ineptness to explain anything in detail.

[monkeyman33]

Whoever wants to eat that stuff up go ahead it just will make you another drone of Obama's, use some common sense like Glenn Beck would say.

[yucon92]

Whoever wants to eat that stuff up go ahead it just will make you another drone of Obama's, use some common sense like Glenn Beck would say.

i like your point of view its like no one can see what a disaster this country is gonna be in because of that retard

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Obama will fail, but will still end up looking good because Bush was such a joke.


Then again, Obama's approval rating is falling. I think he started in the high 60s, and now in the low 50s. Maybe there is a hope for the general public to get their dicks out of their asses.

But boy he is so funny and such a sweet talker. What a rockstar! I think I'll vote for him in 2012 because he is down to earth and "real"

[BgMc31]

Obama will fail, but will still end up looking good because Bush was such a joke.


Then again, Obama's approval rating is falling. I think he started in the high 60s, and now in the low 50s. Maybe there is a hope for the general public to get their dicks out of their asses.

But boy he is so funny and such a sweet talker. What a rockstar! I think I'll vote for him in 2012 because he is down to earth and "real"

Just remember the republican idol, Ronald Reagan, enjoyed extremely high ratings initially, then his rating slump to around 48% early in his first term. From what I hear from republicans he is the greatest president ever.

[monkeyman33]

I do not think it extremely off base. Who knows what he is going to cook up in his tenure. He is weak on national security and the next few years look to be the most cynical in history with the proliferation of nukes in the mid east. What will Obama do if north korea sells a nuke to some terrorist group? Will he say, oh lets just go have some six party talks or some bs? All the while he just got done making a world tour as though he is some kind of rock star and apologizing for America and its long held beliefs; He is an extremely smart fool who has happened to perpetrate the largest scam ever and now everyone is starting to come out of this tranz he had them in. Good thing I seen through his bull crap from the beginning because I can have peace inside knowing I never supported this douche bag from jump.

[BgMc31]

I do not think it extremely off base. Who knows what he is going to cook up in his tenure. He is weak on national security and the next few years look to be the most cynical in history with the proliferation of nukes in the mid east. What will Obama do if north korea sells a nuke to some terrorist group? Will he say, oh lets just go have some six party talks or some bs? All the while he just got done making a world tour as though he is some kind of rock star and apologizing for America and its long held beliefs; He is an extremely smart fool who has happened to perpetrate the largest scam ever and now everyone is starting to come out of this tranz he had them in. Good thing I seen through his bull crap from the beginning because I can have peace inside knowing I never supported this douche bag from jump.

How is he weak on national security? Adding more forces to Afganistan proves that he is interested in stomping out real terrorists threats not made up ones like Bush. But of course you believe Bush never manipulated the media and he was more intelligent than Obama. So it really makes no sense debating with you. It's obvious you don't have a clue about much.

[thegodfather]

I do not think it extremely off base. Who knows what he is going to cook up in his tenure. He is weak on national security and the next few years look to be the most cynical in history with the proliferation of nukes in the mid east. What will Obama do if north korea sells a nuke to some terrorist group? Will he say, oh lets just go have some six party talks or some bs? All the while he just got done making a world tour as though he is some kind of rock star and apologizing for America and its long held beliefs; He is an extremely smart fool who has happened to perpetrate the largest scam ever and now everyone is starting to come out of this tranz he had them in. Good thing I seen through his bull crap from the beginning because I can have peace inside knowing I never supported this douche bag from jump.

Are you serious dude? Did you even graduate high school? What is your educational/professional background?

People like you are the reason the Republican party look like such jackasses. Neo-conservative rhetoric and believing that America has the authority to be the f**king police force of the world. Who cares WHAT North Korea does? They are a sovereign nation, and they can do whatever they want so long as they do not directly threaten the national security of the MAINLAND of the United States of America. Please point to the section number or amendment in the Constitution that authorizes America to tell other countries what to do...can you do that? Of course you cant because it doesn't exist. The founding fathers of this country developed a policy of NON-INTERVENTIONISM, not to be confused with isolationism. Simply put, we have ALWAYS achieved more with trade and talks with other nations than we ever have in war. We supported Afghanistan and gave Saddam Hussein weapons, only for him to be our enemy 10 years later. Our friends one day are our enemies the next. It is BECAUSE we get so heavily involved in other countries affairs that we have the problems we do, and the hatred for our country that many people hold.

I bet you even believe that the Arab people hate us because "WE ARE FREE AND PROSPEROUS." Anyone who buys into that nonsense that Rush Limbaugh is proselytizing is a complete and utter moron and not someone I would take seriously for one second. The Arab people, and people in other countries, hate our country because we are responsible for killing MILLIONS of their friends and family. We have continuously meddled in their affairs for 70 some odd years, overthrowing their elected governments, and causing them hardship both economic and physical. Get a f**king clue.

He needs to apologize for America. I dont always blame America, but you know what crowd im not a part of? I'm not part of your crowd that believes you should blame America NEVER.

[MuscleScience]

One thing I think that is overlooked about this program is that its getting cars off the road that may not really be road worthy. Most people do not know how to properly maintain a car nor do they care. Even if a car seems to drive fine you never know what could happen if the car is not being serviced regularly. I know this was probably not a big reason for it. Supposedly to cut green house gases. Coming from someone that nearly lost a friend because the person driving their car until wheels literally fell off and caused an accident that should have never happened, I think thats a success of sorts.

[SMCengineer]

One thing I think that is overlooked about this program is that its getting cars off the road that may not really be road worthy. Most people do not know how to properly maintain a car nor do they care. Even if a car seems to drive fine you never know what could happen if the car is not being serviced regularly. I know this was probably not a big reason for it. Supposedly to cut green house gases. Coming from someone that nearly lost a friend because the person driving their car until wheels literally fell off and caused an accident that should have never happened, I think thats a success of sorts.

I'm not sure how true that is. To be eligible for the program, you also have to be in a position of buying a brand new car, which indicates having at least several thousand dollars of expendable income (of course this program also incentivizes accruence of debt which introduces a set of new problems).

Generally, people who neglect the bare minimum service on their vehicle (tires, brakes, oil, etc) are only doing so because of a lack of money or other factors have priority over the vehicle (children, mortgage, food, etc.). This program would not help them. Of course, there are exceptions where people just don't care about their car, but that is not the majority. Typically, if someone is literally driving a 'clunker,' it would indicate to me at least, they are not in a position of buying a new car.

[ray0414]

I'm not sure how true that is. To be eligible for the program, you also have to be in a position of buying a brand new car, which indicates having at least several thousand dollars of expendable income (of course this program also incentivizes accruence of debt which introduces a set of new problems).

Generally, people who neglect the bare minimum service on their vehicle (tires, brakes, oil, etc) are only doing so because of a lack of money or other factors have priority over the vehicle (children, mortgage, food, etc.). This program would not help them. Of course, there are exceptions where people just don't care about their car, but that is not the majority. Typically, if someone is literally driving a 'clunker,' it would indicate to me at least, they are not in a position of buying a new car.

I agree 100% and it is correct. U have to be in the position to buy a new car anyways, so hes helping people who probably dont need the help anyways, and then putting them even farther into debt with a new car purchase. So their plan to fix the economy is by creating more debt?? well, if it does anything its merely a bandaid on a gun shot, a bazooka shot lol

[monkeyman33]

Wow thegodfather you are such a bookworm, congrats! I have two bachelors degrees so thanks for the insult, but I do not take people like you serious anyways. You just think you have all the answers because you have some "friends" that have all this "knowledge" because they have seen two different types of government in action. You sound just like a typical liberal who does not know sh*t. People like you who stare at imminent destruction coming there way and do nothing because of their strong fuc*ed up beliefs and higher moral values. If north korea is making and selling nukes we have every right to do whatever we need to disarm those bastards for the safety of our country but others who do not have such resources to defend themselves, let me guess, you think the nuclear silos they have are being used for power plants? Get a clue you flaming goober, arabs hate us because we are all that they want to be but never will, rush limbaugh is the bomb as well as hannity, beck, oreilly, willard, etc.

[gixxerboy1]

Wow thegodfather you are such a bookworm, congrats! I have two bachelors degrees so thanks for the insult, but I do not take people like you serious anyways. You just think you have all the answers because you have some "friends" that have all this "knowledge" because they have seen two different types of government in action. You sound just like a typical liberal who does not know sh*t. People like you who stare at imminent destruction coming there way and do nothing because of their strong fuc*ed up beliefs and higher moral values. If north korea is making and selling nukes we have every right to do whatever we need to disarm those bastards for the safety of our country but others who do not have such resources to defend themselves, let me guess, you think the nuclear silos they have are being used for power plants? Get a clue you flaming goober, arabs hate us because we are all that they want to be but never will, rush limbaugh is the bomb as well as hannity, beck, oreilly, willard, etc.

What if we would have took that stance with Russia during the cold war?

[MuscleScience]

Wow thegodfather you are such a bookworm, congrats! I have two bachelors degrees so thanks for the insult, but I do not take people like you serious anyways. You just think you have all the answers because you have some "friends" that have all this "knowledge" because they have seen two different types of government in action. You sound just like a typical liberal who does not know sh*t. People like you who stare at imminent destruction coming there way and do nothing because of their strong fuc*ed up beliefs and higher moral values. If north korea is making and selling nukes we have every right to do whatever we need to disarm those bastards for the safety of our country but others who do not have such resources to defend themselves, let me guess, you think the nuclear silos they have are being used for power plants? Get a clue you flaming goober, arabs hate us because we are all that they want to be but never will, rush limbaugh is the bomb as well as hannity, beck, oreilly, willard, etc.

I dont think you have ever read any of his post if your calling him a typical Liberal....LOL

[Kratos]

Wow thegodfather you are such a bookworm, congrats! I have two bachelors degrees so thanks for the insult, but I do not take people like you serious anyways. .

So, after you got your first bachelors degree, you decided: "what the heck, forget grad school, or a PhD program, I'm going for another bachelors degree."

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

monkeyman...

[Immortal Soldier]

Namely the shape of the wings, fins, and indentation in the aircraft body for a second engine. You have to agree they are very similar aircraft.

The development cost of the raptor is 2/3 of the price. Lets wait to see long term data on f-35 performance, and see if they are delivered on budget to see if they are really cheaper.

Don't go off looks my friend, radar signature is where it is at. The F-35 blows up like a freaking balloon on modern radar, it is not "ste@lthy" and will never be "ste@lthly". The F-22 is made for ste@lth (internal bay was one of the signatures to improve *******) however, its cross-radar signature near the tail fins can cause it to implode on radar. So any trained radar crew (Russian/Chinese/even Iranian) would be able to pick up the F-22 if they had the right equipment and training. Remember there is no such as thing as a "perfect" aircraft since there were always be a counter-attack for it.

Hence why I support the F-35, it is cheaper, the performance is similar but the F-22 still beats it out in certain categories. But again this isn't a hollywood movie, we aren't trying to make the "best cool looking" planes and best gadgets to win wars. We need effective, yet reasonably priced weapons to do the job.

At the end of the day, every empire that has fallen did not fall because it didn't have the "latest in gadgets/weapons/whatever" it fell because of internal turmoil, better opponent strategists, and costly mistakes.

Don't confuse how much you spend on new weaponry as to how well your military will do. Paper tigers are not threatening.

Well, if Obama came to power after Hitler, he would not have prosecuted the Nazi's or the SS. Because in Obama's own words, the country needs to look forward not back, never mind all those pesky little war crimes that occurred for 8 years under the Bush regime. Who really gives a shit about torturing detainees, holding people for 5-7 years without a trial, and the 93 detainee deaths at Guantanamo which were ruled not from natural causes? Well, Obama certainly doesn't.

“it is our intention to assure those who carried out their duties relying in good faith upon legal advice from the Department of Justice that they will not be subject to prosecution,” President Obama said in a statement released today.

So not only should we not prosecute war criminals, because after all they were just "following orders," as many of the war criminals in Nuremberg claimed, we should also ASSURE them they are off the hook for violating peoples human rights under the Constitution and International Law. Change? Reallyyyyyyyy............


Are you a US citizen?

There are people more powerful than the president running this country, if you really think that the entire United States in the 21st century would be put in the hands of one man or a group of people (senate/house of reps) ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE, than you are naive.

What you see is not what you get.

[Kratos]

Don't go off looks my friend, radar signature is where it is at. The F-35 blows up like a freaking balloon on modern radar, it is not "ste@lthy" and will never be "ste@lthly". The F-22 is made for ste@lth (internal bay was one of the signatures to improve *******) however, its cross-radar signature near the tail fins can cause it to implode on radar. So any trained radar crew (Russian/Chinese/even Iranian) would be able to pick up the F-22 if they had the right equipment and training. Remember there is no such as thing as a "perfect" aircraft since there were always be a counter-attack for it.

Hence why I support the F-35, it is cheaper, the performance is similar but the F-22 still beats it out in certain categories. But again this isn't a hollywood movie, we aren't trying to make the "best cool looking" planes and best gadgets to win wars. We need effective, yet reasonably priced weapons to do the job.

At the end of the day, every empire that has fallen did not fall because it didn't have the "latest in gadgets/weapons/whatever" it fell because of internal turmoil, better opponent strategists, and costly mistakes.
.

Can we just agree that domestic policy should be held accountable no matter how much money the DOD wastes?

You are 100% right that our downfall will not be a result of lack of weapons.
A 1.75 trillion dollar deficit and mismanagement on all levels of leadership is however a step in that direction.

There is nothing good about this program in my eyes, and that's why I'm complaining about it. When Obama does something right, I have no trouble seperating my feelings from the things he does wrong.

[EndlessDreams]

On it's goal of reducing inefficient cars, I heard someone explain the plan as: crushing the cars using fuel, transporting the crushed cars on a freight train using fuel, shipping the metal over to China on a boat using fuel and finally melting the metal down so China can make Hummers (a company they just bought from us) and then selling them back to American consumers. I guess that's a success in the governments eyes?

I thought they blocked the sale of hummer???

On June 26, 2009 Chinese state radio announced that the bid by Sichuan Tengzhong to buy Hummer would be blocked on environmental grounds..

That is the last I heard so I wasnt sure if it was sold..

[SMCengineer]

I thought they blocked the sale of hummer???

On June 26, 2009 Chinese state radio announced that the bid by Sichuan Tengzhong to buy Hummer would be blocked on environmental grounds..

That is the last I heard so I wasnt sure if it was sold..

I think you're correct. That was more of a facetious explanation of what would happen with the cars.

[monkeyman33]

Whoever wants to hate go ahead, but just because I'm very educated and decide to waist some of my valuable time here talking to you guys does not make me stupid regardless if you agree with my opinions or not, I like the dialogue. If you call have two bachelor degrees from a really good school stupid then you need to rethink of what you should call yourself there buddy. Anyways, Obama is gay and that is all I wanted to say along with cash for "clunkers" which is another entitlement program that the president feels for some reason just has to be done at this moment. This program does nothing more but give people an excuse who have for no other reason have business buying a new car the reason to do so, and this is justified in their minds buy the government telling everyone to get on this deal before it is gone even though this "free" money is coming straight from you and your neighbors taxes. Getting in on cash for clunkers is nothing to brag about that is for sure.