LMAO @ the UK

[dangerous dan]

i dont see myself rascist, they come and sponge off the systme, its a joke. pakistanies in there own contry are great. my grandad ect fought for this contry, this is the respect the government show

[Flagg]

i dont see myself rascist, they come and sponge off the systme, its a joke. pakistanies in there own contry are great. my grandad ect fought for this contry, this is the respect the government show

You're not the only person who had relatives fight and die for their country and the reason they were fighting and dying was to rid the world of oppressive ideologies like the BNP. When I was born I was named after my Grandads brother that died during World War II and if some of these old fellas were alive today and could see the racial devide that continues to grow they'd probably wonder why the **** they bothered.

People will abuse the system and will always abuse the system and it has nothing to do with colour. Or do you believe that the "slimey pakistanis" were responsible for the world recession as well.

Generals, senators, oil magnates, politicians and computer billionaires. These are the people that are responsible for the world you and I live in today.

[dangerous dan]

i hate people who cant see whats hapening over here...undercover are you blind??

[Undercover]

but you're only angry because they're brown and different.

there are white brits who do the same thing but you don't hate them, do you?

pakistanies in there own contry are great

yeah, i mean as long as they're nowhere near you it's okay!

[MuscleScience]

but you're only angry because they're brown and different.

there are white brits who do the same thing but you don't hate them, do you?



yeah, i mean as long as they're nowhere near you it's okay!

Yeah I think that is where a lot of the anger and hatred comes from. Why do we have to be forced to live next to and many times pay for people that are not remotely like us, white or not. I mean I would be seriously pissed if my government let a bunch of french men role into town on government support and set up Little Paris in my neighborhood. Why do I have to then be tolerant of their views all of a sudden and pretend that I would also like to live in France. I cant stand the French, even if they are white....LOL

[Undercover]

Yeah I think that is where a lot of the anger and hatred comes from. Why do we have to be forced to live next to and many times pay for people that are not remotely like us, white or not. I mean I would be seriously pissed if my government let a bunch of french men role into town on government support and set up Little Paris in my neighborhood. Why do I have to then be tolerant of their views all of a sudden and pretend that I would also like to live in France. I cant stand the French, even if they are white....LOL

They're not invading your country. Your, mostly, WHITE government is letting them in. They're not setting all those ridiculous laws..your WHITE government is. But then people get all angry and start blaming the BROWN people. Why is that? Is it because of xenophobia? intolerance? It doesn't have to be about race. It's just fear of what's different. The wider the cultural gap, the more the fear.

If you let the French in because of whatever reasons, you have to expect a mini-Paris here and there. Adaptation is a slow process. Life is very different in France or Pakistan, why do you expect them to adapt so quickly to your culture? It's going to take time, but giving up to religious idiots doesn't help either.

It scares me when people start talking about mass eradication and express such violent ideas, all because they're angry a woman is wearing a burka somewhere in europe. Didn't we learn anything from WW2?

This is what I call LATENT XENOPHOBIA (yes i'm coining my own terms now:P). People who are not that vocal about it, but make up excuses to jump on the hate wagon. Finally, when shit hits the fan it's that US against THEM stance.

Yes I agree with pride comes shame. If you have too much shame then you are not proud. I think if you go back through a lot of my post you will see that I am the first one to point out shameful points in every argument. I know my racial shit dont stink, I know what whites have done to others which I am certainly not proud of. I also know what none whites have done to others as well. So in a sense I am ashamed of points in the past of the Human Race. However I am not ashamed to be human. Just so were are in agreement...LOL

haha, well I'm not ashamed nor proud about anything somebody else did when I wasn't alive.

[MuscleScience]

They're not invading your country. Your, mostly, WHITE government is letting them in. They're not setting all those ridiculous laws..your WHITE government is. But then people get all angry and start blaming the BROWN people. Why is that? Is it because of xenophobia? intolerance? It doesn't have to be about race. It's just fear of what's different. The wider the cultural gap, the more the fear.

If you let the French in because of whatever reasons, you have to expect a mini-Paris here and there. Adaptation is a slow process. Life is very different in France or Pakistan, why do you expect them to adapt so quickly to your culture? It's going to take time, but giving up to religious idiots doesn't help either.

It scares me when people start talking about mass eradication and express such violent ideas, all because they're angry a woman is wearing a burka somewhere in europe. Didn't we learn anything from WW2?

This is what I call LATENT XENOPHOBIA (yes i'm coining my own terms now:P). People who are not that vocal about it, but make up excuses to jump on the hate wagon. Finally, when shit hits the fan it's that US against THEM stance.



haha, well I'm not ashamed nor proud about anything somebody else did when I wasn't alive.

I can only really speak for myself on this one because I know at least here in the states the country was founded on immigration. So if someone comes here and is willing to follow the law and assimilate then who am I to say that they shouldnt be here to better their life. But I think what really pisses a lot of people off is that the mostly white government listens to the establishment an lets anyone and everyone into the country regardless if they are willing to be a functional member of society. I actually do not believe race plays a big role in America. I mean I as a white male I could not freely move into about 90% of the countries in this world and feel safe or become a welcomed part of society regardless of how hard I tried. I think Western European societys are the most tolerant in the world. You can argue they are not until your blue in the face but I do not see any other countries out there allowing the number of immigrants to influx into their country as Europe or the US is allowing.

[Undercover]

I can only really speak for myself on this one because I know at least here in the states the country was founded on immigration. So if someone comes here and is willing to follow the law and assimilate then who am I to say that they shouldnt be here to better their life. But I think what really pisses a lot of people off is that the mostly white government listens to the establishment an lets anyone and everyone into the country regardless if they are willing to be a functional member of society. I actually do not believe race plays a big role in America. I mean I as a white male I could not freely move into about 90% of the countries in this world and feel safe or become a welcomed part of society regardless of how hard I tried. I think Western European societys are the most tolerant in the world. You can argue they are not until your blue in the face but I do not see any other countries out there allowing the number of immigrants to influx into their country as Europe or the US is allowing.

Yes, I agree. They let people with practically no education in. Actually, I've lived in the Middle East my entire life and it's pretty hard for anyone there to get into the UK, even with an impressive resume.

I agree. I, myself, am a temporary immigrant in Germany. The people here are generally tolerant. I've never had anything bad happen to me that would suggest otherwise.

I'm just talking about the people who call for extermination of a people who are different than they are, who start posting articles from THE DAILY MAIL (LOL) on internet forums (you know those horrible generalizations) in an attempt to feel better about their intolerance, and then expect you to believe they respect other cultures.

[dangerous dan]

wtf....white brits i have a view on them doing it actually, but they purposly come to sponge:S

[dangerous dan]

i never said i were the only person:S.....they fought for this contry....this is no longer england, they would turn in there fukin graves....

[energizer bunny]

the way i see it is this......if your a foreigner in another country then you must obey the laws of that country....having a belief or a certain point of view is all well and good but when people try to push that down my neck..then thats not right......i wouldnt want or expect to be allowed to go to any country be it china....spain...afganistan etc.....and try and get laws..beliefs...ways of life to change to suit my needs.....

[Matt]

the way i see it is this......if your a foreigner in another country then you must obey the laws of that country....having a belief or a certain point of view is all well and good but when people try to push that down my neck..then thats not right......i wouldnt want or expect to be allowed to go to any country be it china....spain...afganistan etc.....and try and get laws..beliefs...ways of life to change to suit my needs.....

I would agree with that....

[Undercover]

I would agree with that....

But you guys are missing the point. A lot of Immigrants try to adapt. Those are blanket statements you're making.

And why direct your anger at immigrants when you know they're not the ones really making the changes?

[energizer bunny]

what dont you agree with in my statement.....so do you think that an individual or group of people should be able to change laws and regs because its in there beliefs or faith...

laws are laws.......this is a bit off topic but here it is.....in my local shoping centre young people are not allowed to wear there hoods up...and i agree with that but then muslim woman should not be allowed to wear there burkas....am i wrong in thinking that??

[Undercover]

what dont you agree with in my statement.....so do you think that an individual or group of people should be able to change laws and regs because its in there beliefs or faith...

The thing is nobody is trying to force beliefs on you. That's what the BNP and shitty newspapers want you to believe. It's the politicians making those changes not the immigrants.

laws are laws.......this is a bit off topic but here it is.....in my local shoping centre young people are not allowed to wear there hoods up...and i agree with that but then muslim woman should not be allowed to wear there burkas....am i wrong in thinking that??

Well, it's a bit different. Those women in their burkas fully believe they cannot consummate their religion without wearing them. Are you seriously comparing teenagers' rights to wear their hoods up to that?

Having said that, I'm against religion, religious symbols, ideas and all that crap. But I can't run around forcing christians to take their crosses off and stripping down muslim women.

BTW, how do you like Germany, I should hopefully be there in a year.

It's been a fun ride so far. Where are you going to stay? PM me if you need any help.

I have to say i have never once met a islamic person that has told me that nursey rhymes are offensive, that pigs and dogs are offensive, its always in a news article you hear of these things.

Does that not tell anyone here anything?

That's not true! It's a documented well-known fact that all muslims hate animals and freedom!

[energizer bunny]

The thing is nobody is trying to force beliefs on you. That's what the BNP and shitty newspapers want you to believe. It's the politicians making those changes not the immigrants.

well i would never want the BNP in power and i dont read newspapers very often...(just for sport)......and your totaly wrong about people trying to force beliefs on you/me.....that is one thing done by every single religion and political party....Well, it's a bit different. Those women in their burkas fully believe they cannot consummate their religion without wearing them. Are you seriously comparing teenagers' rights to wear their hoods up to that?

Yes i am.....the reason behind the ban of hoodys is so that people can see there faces.....wey i cant see whos under that burka....a rule/law is there for everyone regardless of religious beliefs.....

Having said that, I'm against religion, religious symbols, ideas and all that crap. But I can't run around forcing christians to take their crosses off and stripping down muslim women.

Im the opposite...im not against religious symbols...im against them breaking laws/rules.... (a bit off topic again but here we go....when on holiday in Spain and Greece you are not allowed to take your T-shirt off at night...doesnt matter about anything else what you believe in etc etc....its not allowed!!) and if thats what they want then who am i to argue?




That's not true! It's a documented well-known fact that all muslims hate animals and freedom!

And all Animals deserve to be hated because they do not believe in wiping there own arses

[Undercover]

a rule/law is there for everyone regardless of religious beliefs

That's true, but it shouldn't interfere with their beliefs either. Wearing a cross around your neck isn't required of you for you to be a Christian. You can take off your cross and still be one. A bukra is a bit different. This woman feels she can't be a Muslim without her burka, it's against her religion (even though some Muslims might disagree) not to wear one. So when you tell her, take off your burka or you don't get in..it's really like saying stop being a Muslim or you can't shop here. It's the equivalent of a Christian having to sign a paper that denies Jesus Christ is his savior.

Logically speaking you're right. Everyone should fall under the same set of laws regardless of their beliefs. Unfortunately, that's not the world we live in. Injustice is happening everywhere because of religion. It intrigues me; however, how people only look at the Muslim side of injustice. Maybe because it's the most vocal one? I don't know. All I know is that, while a woman in burka is shopping illegally in your local mall, thousands of Africans are dying daily of HIV and AIDS because the pope keeps denying them shipments of condoms. How's that for forcing your beliefs on someone? but no, the pope is not brown and muslim...no reason to get angry.

You can't really reason with religious beliefs, because they're not really reasonable. That's why we have to make sacrifices all the time to please people who believe in fairy tales. She believes she needs to wear a burka to please Allah, he believes that a "cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father that can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree" told him that abstinence is the only way to stop the spread of HIV.

It's us atheists who should be complaining really. We live in a religious world; that's lots of BS to put up with to keep others happy.

[energizer bunny]

you see we could go on all day.....i think the law is above religious belief no matter what.....and it should most definately interfere with beliefs if that belief is not following the rules.....no one is telling anyone to stop being Muslim..we are telling them not to cover there face...they should adapt to that law simple...

If your in a Christian country you should adapt to there ways....if you are a Christian in a Muslim country you should adapt to their ways.....

maybe you could answer a question for me??
If a woman..any religion and from any country...went to a muslim country would they have to cover up?? could they ware a mini skirt or shorts?

[Undercover]

no one is telling anyone to stop being Muslim..we are telling them not to cover there face...they should adapt to that law simple...

I told you, it's against their religion. So its either pleasing God or you.

Let me remind you, the US is not a Christian nation. You don't have to adapt to Christian values if you live in the US.

maybe you could answer a question for me??
If a woman..any religion and from any country...went to a muslim country would they have to cover up?? could they ware a mini skirt or shorts?

In most Muslim countries, women aren't required to cover up. They are allowed to wear bikinis on beaches and mini skirts on the street. It's normal.

Look at this video of a Shia Muslim singer in Lebanon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGxm_xANs6M no burka there

But to answer your question, no. Women won't be able to pull that off in Iran, for example. What's your point though?

[energizer bunny]

we will get no where with this debate.....we are looking at this in different ways....i dont think that religion should be able to dictate the laws/rules of a country........you think that their relgious views should be taken into consideration regarding certain rules and laws.....??



please explain why women could not pull that off in Iran?

[Undercover]

i dont think that religion should be able to dictate the laws/rules of a country........you think that their relgious views should be taken into consideration regarding certain rules and laws.....??

Me neither.

No I don't, but the reality is that they are. We are governed by religious views and values all the time. Why else would abortion be illegal? (Women can get an abortion in Islam, by the way) The bigger your religion, the bigger your political influence, the more beliefs you're going to force on people.

Imagine a religion that forces its followers to wear alien masks at all times..if they ever want to be rescued by alien lord Xunu, that is. With enough support, they can force your local mall to allow people wearing alien masks in. That's just it, no matter how ridiculous and uncaring your beliefs are, what matters is how big and popular you are.

please explain why women could not pull that off in Iran?

Iran is an Islamic theocracy. There's no respect for anything outside of Islam there. Citizens of Iran do think differently though. I met a lot of Iranian students at my university. All their women are smoking hot, and they all can't seem to wait to take their hijab off and put on their tight jeans once they get on German soil.

[Flagg]

Me neither.

No I don't, but the reality is that they are. We are governed by religious views and values all the time. Why else would abortion be illegal? (Women can get an abortion in Islam, by the way) The bigger your religion, the bigger your political influence, the more beliefs you're going to force on people.

Imagine a religion that forces its followers to wear alien masks at all times..if they ever want to be rescued by alien lord Xunu, that is. With enough support, they can force your local mall to allow people wearing alien masks in. That's just it, no matter how ridiculous and uncaring your beliefs are, what matters is how big and popular you are.



Iran is an Islamic theocracy. There's no respect for anything outside of Islam there. Citizens of Iran do think differently though. I met a lot of Iranian students at my university. All their women are smoking hot, and they all can't seem to wait to take their hijab off and put on their tight jeans once they get on German soil.

Cant argue there mate. I know a few birds at Uni that are Iranian, Moroccan and they are ridiculously hot.

[energizer bunny]

anyway this has been interesting.........i dont normaly get into these threads because everyone has strong views and plenty to say......and a debate could go on all week...

so ill bow out now......cheers.

[D7M]

Good post GodFather.

Undercover....are you surreptitiously BuffedGuy? He used to throw around that Islmaphobe crap all the time, too.

[Flagg]

Whoever Undercover is, I surely would like to know who is in that avy of his. Hypnotic..

[Undercover]

Whoever Undercover is, I surely would like to know who is in that avy of his. Hypnotic..

That, my friend, is Regina Spektor aka musical songwriting genius.

[Flagg]

That, my friend, is Regina Spektor aka musical songwriting genius.

She's beautiful. Im just listening to a song of hers now. She reminds me of Tori Amos.

[Matt]

There should be some kind of exam that these people should sit after they have been in our country for a set period of time, it should be and english speaking exam..

Im sick to death of these people making no effort to learn our language and while i welcome them over here they must learn our ways and adapt to them...

[Undercover]

That, my friend, is Regina Spektor aka musical songwriting genius.
She's beautiful. Im just listening to a song of hers now. She reminds me of Tori Amos.
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You'd probably find the more commercial ones on youtube, but really some of her songs are pure GENIUS.

like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ITvucG6hjM

[Flagg]

Getting back on topic, im beginning to lose faith in human society in general.

Take this thread for example. When we're not bickering about "the alien", we're bickering about each other. Yeah, when there isn't a foreigner to argue with, we just argue with the next better thing...ourselves.

We are totally incapable of working together for the good of all and it boils down to "Im right, you're wrong so **** off" attitude and everyone in this thread has been guilty of it.

[Panzerfaust]

Getting back on topic, im beginning to lose faith in human society in general.

Take this thread for example. When we're not bickering about "the alien", we're bickering about each other. Yeah, when there isn't a foreigner to argue with, we just argue with the next better thing...ourselves.

We are totally incapable of working together for the good of all and it boils down to "Im right, you're wrong so **** off" attitude and everyone in this thread has been guilty of it.

I'm only against filthy scum mother****ers who invade a land and expect that land to bow to their ways. **** that!

[Flagg]

I'm only against filthy scum mother****ers who invade a land and expect that land to bow to their ways. **** that!

Yeah, like the US and the UK does in the Middle East.

We're all guilty of the same crimes on this planet, regardless of what colour our skin is or what superstition is the gospel.

[Undercover]

Yeah, like the US and the UK does in the Middle East.

We're all guilty of the same crimes on this planet, regardless of what colour our skin is or what superstition is the gospel.

Flagg stop being so damn nice :P. You come off as a well-rounded guy. I'm sure you don't think immigrants are '"invaders" planning to take over Europe. Thoughts like that are ridiculous. We need to be discouraging bigots not encouraging them.

To muriloninja: (this is me being really nice and summarizing some of the things i said before in this thread)

First, it's not arguing when your source of info is a newspaper that makes up stories to sell and the BNP. Nobody in their right mind would take those sources seriously.

Second, you never once provided a logical solution to integration problems. Holocaust nr.2? Ain't gunna happen. You only said some people need their asses kicked. Well, why don't you kick the asses of the people who change the laws, and the local cafes that sell your freedom for more Muslim customers and actually make a difference? Surely, they are more at fault? But no, instead you target your anger towards what's different...easy scapegoats..that's what I meant when I said you're xenophobic.

You're generalizing that every Muslim immigrant is a bigot that wants to force his beliefs on Western culture. That is simply NOT the case. That's how you're a bigot. You're not listening to anything I have to say. You're very much convinced that immigrants are evil and need to be wiped off the face of Europe.

If you want to explain how all Muslim immigrants are innately evil, I'd be happy to listen.

[Panzerfaust]

Yeah, like the US and the UK does in the Middle East.
We're all guilty of the same crimes on this planet, regardless of what colour our skin is or what superstition is the gospel.

Yeah, no shit! I hear you, this American Empire must end...history already shows us that it will end as no Empire has ever lasted. America is nothing more than the modern day Rome.

We should never have invaded the Middle East, that is their land and culture and they can respectfully have it.

[Flagg]

You'd probably find the more commercial ones on youtube, but really some of her songs are pure GENIUS.

like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ITvucG6hjM

Im really digging her stuff. Cant believe ive never encountered her before. AND she's absolutely stunning! Win win.

[Undercover]

I think we should all just agree that I'm right and everybody else is wrong.

[Undercover]

I bet muriloninja is pro-israel. That would be really funny.

Immigrants are called immigrants for a reason. They never invaded the land they're in.

[Flagg]

I bet muriloninja is pro-israel. That would be really funny.

Immigrants are called immigrants for a reason. They never invaded the land they're in.

Nah he's not. You'll find he hates everyone, the ole ray of sunshine that he is.

[dangerous dan]

undercover on a erlier post u asked how many muslims i no....ino thousands. I somtimes nip in thee odd shop in an asian comunity for some cigs ....they look at me as if im shit, find it funny but at the same time find it disgustin, and do you not think they all walk around white bastardd this white bastard that??? they think they rule the place....well its not going to fly, this contry was build be good people, then filth come over just to sponge and try and change how we live, well ffuk thattttt. if i had my own way the lot would be out, there not doing british people any favours....we have people fighting for homes ect, because all the asians are geting 1st choice its disgusting....

[dangerous dan]

not so long ago...few months back, a muslim worked in a supermarket...he was made move alcohol around ect, he quit is job and tried suing ......whats all that about then????