HCG - How important is it?

[99vorsi]

nevermind found it

[Indian Muscle]

I bought a pack of 5000IU HCG and on the pack it says Intramuscular injection only but i have read that it can be shot in the fat of the stomach, What do you guys suggest?

Another question - I have 5000IU HCG, 10ML water and Insulin syringes of 1ML. I will mix 5000IU HCG with 10ML water,if i want to take 500IU per shot then i would fill the entire 1ML syringe and if it is 250IU Per shot then half of the syringe. am i rite?

[Swifto]

I bought a pack of 5000IU HCG and on the pack it says Intramuscular injection only but i have read that it can be shot in the fat of the stomach, What do you guys suggest?

Another question - I have 5000IU HCG, 10ML water and Insulin syringes of 1ML. I will mix 5000IU HCG with 10ML water,if i want to take 500IU per shot then i would fill the entire 1ML syringe and if it is 250IU Per shot then half of the syringe. am i rite?

Yes.

[gym=life]

after reading ppl are saying to use them during ur cycle to keep ur nuts producing natural test im also on week 3 of my cylce and i feel slight discomfort in my balls does this mean that there already shutting down Ive also heard thats its for after ur done wiht ur cycle but hte common answer is to start low doasage in week 4

[PK-V]

So how does inhibition differ from full HPTA shutdown is it the duration that inhibition is in effect that will eventually result in HPTA shutdown?



Is the use of hCG recommended for the whole duration of cycle+PCT?

If not, why?

say 1-8 weeks of test

+4 weeks of PCT (nolva)

in total 12 weeks

so 250iu of eod for 12 weeks?

[Chevroletstud]

I think I messed up....i mixed a 5000iu am with 2.5 ml of bac water and injected .125 ius. I thought that was 250ius. Yes or no?

[maxwell78]

So I got my HCG and order just came from AR-R yest. Very timely might I add.

Ok so if I mix 5000 IU's of HCG with 10ml Bac. Water into a sterile vial....is the 50 mark on the insulin syringe going to be 250 IU's and the 100 on the syringe would be 500 IU's?

that is what I am getting from reading swifto's thread on it...but i need to make sure im understanding this right.

I also wanted to know when its best to inject the HCG. should i just do it on my days that I do the test...[mon/thurs] and does it matter what time of day. and how long will this let me run the hcg for? i think i have enough for about 8 weeks

please advise

[gbrice75]

So I got my HCG and order just came from AR-R yest. Very timely might I add.

Ok so if I mix 5000 IU's of HCG with 10ml Bac. Water into a sterile vial....is the 50 mark on the insulin syringe going to be 250 IU's and the 100 on the syringe would be 500 IU's?

that is what I am getting from reading swifto's thread on it...but i need to make sure im understanding this right.

I also wanted to know when its best to inject the HCG. should i just do it on my days that I do the test...[mon/thurs] and does it matter what time of day. and how long will this let me run the hcg for? i think i have enough for about 8 weeks

please advise

What Swifto suggests is fine, however I opted to go with Jelly's math (see post 468) as it does seem to be simplest (and i'm a simpleton, so I need that).

It doesn't really matter when you inject - day, or time of day. That said, if you're injecting your test on Monday and Thursday, you might as well do the HCG those days as well - get everything done in one shot (no pun). I'd find it annoying to have to think too much ... like... ok, test is Monday/Thurs, HCG is Tues/Fri... etc...

[maxwell78]

What Swifto suggests is fine, however I opted to go with Jelly's math (see post 468) as it does seem to be simplest (and i'm a simpleton, so I need that).

It doesn't really matter when you inject - day, or time of day. That said, if you're injecting your test on Monday and Thursday, you might as well do the HCG those days as well - get everything done in one shot (no pun). I'd find it annoying to have to think too much ... like... ok, test is Monday/Thurs, HCG is Tues/Fri... etc...

That is what I figured too..might as well just have two shot days for all of it. ok so let me see if i understand this correctly...if I want to use jellys math and use the 5mls of water...and i want to do 250 iu's on mon/thurs....i would draw up to the 25 mark each time?? that just seems like a lot to be injecting...i just want to make sure i am not screwing this up.

[senorrebo]

Great post, thank you!

[Karan0077]

hey swifto.. i'm on a 12 week test e /deca cycle. its my first cycle.i started off with 250mg test e and 100 mg deca on last monday. i have been taking adex .5mg e3d and caber .5mg twice a week. its week 2 now. just need some advice on hcg. should i run it at 250 iu twice per week throughout the 12 weeks..??

[austinite]

hey swifto.. i'm on a 12 week test e /deca cycle. its my first cycle.i started off with 250mg test e and 100 mg deca on last monday. i have been taking adex .5mg e3d and caber .5mg twice a week. its week 2 now. just need some advice on hcg. should i run it at 250 iu twice per week throughout the 12 weeks..??

Swifto is no longer with us. Notice his status. This is a very old thread.

[tembe]

how would i use it as i can only get it by around week 7-8?

[Swifto]

how would i use it as i can only get it by around week 7-8?

Start at 500ius 3 times for the first 2 weeks, then back down to 250ius 2-3 times weekly until you finish your cycle. If your not using an AI, you may want to add one due to the increase in estrogen.

[Swifto]

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[Critical Mass]

Good read. I will never cycle without hcg or AI ever again.

[LIONKING123]

Hi,

Finished a 7 week cycle 3 weeks ago.

Is it to late to start HCG as testes still shrunk?
Using Nolva 20mg for PCT for last 2 week

[Swifto]

Hi,

Finished a 7 week cycle 3 weeks ago.

Is it to late to start HCG as testes still shrunk?
Using Nolva 20mg for PCT for last 2 week

HCG during PCT is counterproductive IMHO. Its best used during, not in PCT.

Stay on the Tamox for a few more weeks, it will raise endogenous T considerably.

[LIONKING123]

HCG during PCT is counterproductive IMHO. Its best used during, not in PCT.

Stay on the Tamox for a few more weeks, it will raise endogenous T considerably.

Thanks too Swifto!

Anything i can do to counteract the rise in endogenous T with Nolva?
Testes are still shrunk too. As i've missed the window for HCG....anything else i can do?

[Hazard]

Thanks too Swifto!

Anything i can do to counteract the rise in endogenous T with Nolva?
Testes are still shrunk too. As i've missed the window for HCG....anything else i can do?

clomid and nolva together ought to do the trick...... if that doesn't work.... i mite try a low dose of HCG for a week or two as thats what my fathers HRT doc prescribes..... but the clomid/nolva ougt to doit.

~Haz~

[Swifto]

Thanks too Swifto!

Anything i can do to counteract the rise in endogenous T with Nolva?
Testes are still shrunk too. As i've missed the window for HCG....anything else i can do?

The Tamox and Clomid will bring them back, although it maybe a short while.

HCG will also bring them back sooner, becuase it directly stimulates the testes. If the SERMs dont bring back testicular size/volume after 5-6 weeks, use some HCG or HMG. Then back on the SERMs.

[crazy_rocks]

it was mentioned to take hcg during cycle with ai.

does hcg or ai effect gains while on test at all?

i thought ia did which is why people take it only if needed.

[LIONKING123]

The Tamox and Clomid will bring them back, although it maybe a short while.

HCG will also bring them back sooner, becuase it directly stimulates the testes. If the SERMs dont bring back testicular size/volume after 5-6 weeks, use some HCG or HMG. Then back on the SERMs.

Do i need Clomid to bring testi's back to size?
The Nolva vs Clomid sticky promotes using Nolva as brings test base levels up.
Although....have been on Nolva 20mg alone for 3 weeks and testes still shrunk

[RusselGaint]

So if your in a 12week cycle, then you starts your first shot of hcg at week4. do you take it throughout your cycle for 8weeks? i heard some people say they wont run it longer than 4weeks.

[Swifto]

So if your in a 12week cycle, then you starts your first shot of hcg at week4. do you take it throughout your cycle for 8weeks? i heard some people say they wont run it longer than 4weeks.

Start with 500ius 3 times in the first week (week 4), then back down to 250ius 2-3 times weekly until PCT starts.

[sizerp]

What about a 6-8 week cycle of Prop? HCG really needed?

[sizerp]

What about running HMG in combination with HCG for a couple weeks?... Or in place of HCG altogether? Why isn't this discussed more?

[Skippa]

If you start the HCG from week 4 - 15, When do you start the AI. Is it week 1 or the same time you start the HCG.

And do you finish the AI at end of cycle or carry on till pct?

Thanks guys

[Swifto]

If you start the HCG from week 4 - 15, When do you start the AI. Is it week 1 or the same time you start the HCG.

And do you finish the AI at end of cycle or carry on till pct?

Thanks guys

Start the AI when you start the HCG.

Run the AI until the day before PCT begins.

[Swifto]

What about a 6-8 week cycle of Prop? HCG really needed?

You can probably get away with not using it, but it will maintain testicular size and function when shutdown so it wont hurt at all. If you can get it, use it.

What about running HMG in combination with HCG for a couple weeks?... Or in place of HCG altogether? Why isn't this discussed more?

I actually dont know an awful lot about HMG. Other than it mimics FSH, which is primarily for sperm prodction in the testes.

I'm looking into HMG at present.

[Mooseman33]

Swifto:
great read man..ur posts are the best bro, please keep the info coming....

[TwoGuns]

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[King JRoc]

Great thread!!!

I am trying to find some hcg for my upcoming cycle with not much success...

Is there any alternatives I could try to find that might replace the hcg???

[crazy_rocks]

maybe i should rephrase my question.

for the specific side effect of ball shrinkage hcg is good alone correct?

[Hazard]

maybe i should rephrase my question.

for the specific side effect of ball shrinkage hcg is good alone correct?

yup.... 250iu's 2-3 times a week - they shouldn't shrink

~Haz~

[M302_Imola]

maybe i should rephrase my question.

for the specific side effect of ball shrinkage hcg is good alone correct?

Yes but also note that the use of HCG on cycle will increase estrogen which could lead to more sides...this is why an AI is suggested to run along-side the HCG.

[crazy_rocks]

Yes but also note that the use of HCG on cycle will increase estrogen which could lead to more sides...this is why an AI is suggested to run along-side the HCG.

understood, thanx everyone.

[bobofet]

How exactly is HCG shot? Is it IM like the test or otherwise? I am 9 wks in a test cyp cycle. I wasn't planning on using HCG, but think I want to use along with Nolva and aromasin in PCT. So what size pins will I need?

Test cycle is 500mg/wk for 14wks

[sizerp]

Sub-Q... my mom shoots this shit... if she can do it, anyone can.

[M302_Imola]

Sub-Q... my mom shoots this shit... if she can do it, anyone can.

w/ an insulin needle?