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Yo MM.Originally Posted by Mooseman33
I CARE!!!!!!!!
It took me longer 2 do my weights n I am a bit down coz of it!
Ashtanga n power yoga r full aerobic cardio workouts!
I am thinking of taking a PH to keep strength....
I read u can use them on less calz than aas!
I cannot run voz I have muscular lower back problems n i am scarted I will damage my eyes wit boxin/kickboxin!
I was thinkin of askin 4 a new diet with carbs!
RESPECT
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Here is a post by Ronnie Rowland from a thread he made a while ago
Clenbuterol can also cause a downregulation in testicular androgen receptors and in pulmonary, cardiac and central nervous system beta-adrenergic receptors(6.) possibly making steroids less effective (if there is androgen receptor downregulation elsewhere as well, then it´s highly probable) while you are on clen; but definitely making clen less effective as time goes on and you keep taking it. To counteract this, you can take some ketotifen every 3rd or 4th week that you remain on clen. It´s a prescription anti-histimines, so it´ll make you drowsy (take before bedtime). Basically, the way this works is to reduce beta-2 receptor activity, and restore receptor function (15).
Another option, if you are worried about receptor downgrade, is taking Benadryl, at around 50-100mgs/night before bed (every 3rd week or so, for that week). Benadryl is sold as an anti-histamine in the United States, and/or a sleep aid elsewhere in the world. However, Beta receptors are embedded in the cell´s outer phospholipid membrane. The stability of the membrane has a lot to do with the proper function of the receptors. Methylation of the phospholipids is stimulated by the binding of beta agonists to their receptors. Methylated phospholipids are foreign to the body, and when the body recognizes them as foreign, it breaks them down with phospholipase A2. This changes the structure of the outer membrane which results in desensitization of the beta receptors. On the other hand, agents that inhibit phospholipase A2 slow desensitization.
Cationic ampiphylic drugs are known for their ability to inhibit phospholipase A2. Benadryl (diphenhydramine) is a cationic ampiphylic drug.
Ergo, Benadryl slows desensitization of Beta receptors (i.e. Upgrades them) by inhibiting phospholipase A2, which is the enzyme that breaks down methylated phospholipids, and this action in turn keeps the phospholipid membrane stable, and thus keeps the receptors functioning properly. (7). This will allow you to use clen for much longer and it´ll still have the same effects. Also, since Benadryl is an anti-histamine, and histamines have a direct effect on beta-adrenoreceptors (not just Beta-2´s but all of them), using an anti-histamine will have a direct effect on reducing beta-receptor stimulation (16), and thus upregulating your beta-receptors.
MY RESPONSE TO THE ABOVE ARTICLE BELOW IN RED:
Methylation of phospholipids? Beta 1 and 2 receptors operate through a G-s transmembrane protein receptor which when activated by binding of a ligand results in stimulating Adenylate Cyclase. This 2nd messenger cascade converts ATP --> cAMP. The inc cAMP activates Protein Kinase A which then causes the physiological response observed in beta receptors. Beta 1 stimulation which are inc heart contractility, inc heart rate, inc lipolysis and inc renin release. Beta 2 stimulation results in inc heart contractility, inc heart rate, vasodilation of peripheral vessels, bronchodilation, inc lipolysis and inc glucagon release. Here's the funny thing....Renin release is associated with inc Angiotensin 2 levels which inc Aldosterone which is involved in Na+ and water retention.
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I'm with ya man...i can't stand it when people say "oooo just diet" ...without knowing whether you've tried that....sometimes people just need a little kick...and if you do your research, and minimize risk...you can safely use clen (or other things like eca stacks, etc...) to speed up the fat loss. I mean, people flip out when they see people trying to take the "easy" way out by using clen....when in reality...everyone on these boards is "taking the easy way out" using all this gear...If that's the theme...then maybe NO ONE should use ANY gear...just train naturally...
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So Phate...this shows that benedryl does work? This article doesn't support what you said earlier about benedryl myth being debunked...
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using gear is not even close to an easy way out when it's done properly, using clen/AAS/peptides or whatever when done correctly involves extremely strict dieting and training
we ask about diet because in the real world 99% of the population have no clue how to diet properly, so we make that assumption until proven otherwise
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sorry, i'll make it easier, the first text is what was supposed to be proof that benedryl works, the later text(which i will bold) is a response that shows the errors in the theory
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That's exactly what I'm saying...using clen ISN't the "easy" way out like many automatically jump at, when they see posts like these...it does take the proper diet, and training to work properly...that's what I'm saying...but it doesn't make clen "never worth it".
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But that doesn't discount the idea that benedryl up-regulates b-receptors...it's just saying, you may have higher water retention when taking benedryl....But if you increase the working time of the b-receptors...your metabolism will still be burning more fat for a longer period of time, then using clen without it....
so more bloating...maybe?....but faster metabolism for more than standard clen cycle....yes.
'everything louder than everything else'
and your a seasoned user, i take it? when we give someone info on risks of a substance dont come in dismissing it like its candy
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I agree with both of Phate and bdogs 79 on the clen ting.
Diet is very important....
But it must be the RIGHT diet for you!
I am not willing to sacrifice my strength!
All aas and stuff can be used safely and effectively with diet, correct training and right precautions in place to protect you from side effects etc.
Diet and excercise will not cut it alone for me as my bf is to high for that alone to work.
I will approach TOP for a better diet to use with clen.
RESPECT
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True.
Totally true....
On the info ion risks of a substance subject.
I agree with u bro.
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This is what one of the sellers said on the website:
Clenbuterol Info | Dosage
Clenbuterol Hydrochloride - also known as Size Zero Pills, are one of the most effective fat burners in the market. Clen is originally a bronchodilator which is used as a medication for asthma and other such conditions.
Clenbuterol is used to increase the production and discharge of catabolic hormones that have numerous functions. These hormones are discharged from the adrenal region. First and foremost, these hormones help in altering the contractile nature of smooth muscle. It seems that some are stimulated, while others are repressed. Among those repressed the smooth muscles in the bronchial tree, which explicates its comforting effect in patients who are having breathing problems. In addition, Clenbuterol promotes thermogenisis. It is one of the most important functions, which actually aids in weight loss. Thermogenisis is nothing but the process by which the metabolic rate is increased beyond the standard levels through induced heat output of the body. As a result, heat or energy is produced, which in turn helps in burning the fat much faster than in the normal state of the body.
The user should see a slight increase in body temperature and a stimulatory effect of the heart muscles – increased heart rate. So, the thermal fat burning effect and the increased heart rate are the main factors of action, that will shed weight.
Everybody knows that cardio workout is recommended for fat loss goals. For optimal results you should keep your heart rate elevated to around 60-80% of your maximum beating frequency and for a prolonged time. At the same time you will builtup body heat. All experts will agree that these are the main factors that will lead to weight loss. Clenbuterol does this alone, and you do not have to workout at all to see exactly these effects mentioned. However we strongly suggest any kind of activity, even if it is walking, it will make your program the most effective. This is because the product will keep your body in an active state by itself, and with some simple physical activity you can achieve the same results as if you were running at high speeds on a treadmill for painful long time.
Consequently, the person has a higher metabolic rate and burns more calories and fat. As many customers reported, you will feel your body getting tighter over time and be able to attain a firm and lean body.
CLENBUTEROL CYCLE
It is essential to follow a proper Clenbuterol cycle to achieve the desired results. Using Clenbuterol in a ‘Pyramid’ scheme is said to be the most effective one. It is generally advisable to increase the dose gradually, since it will help the first time users to judge how their body responds to the drug. It can be started with an initial dose of 20-40 mcg per day and then it can be gradually increased every 2-3 days until 80-120 mcg/day is reached. In general, 120mcg is found to be effective and adequate. It has been observed that after 3 to 4 weeks of usage of Clenbuterol, most of its fat burning and nerve stimulation benefits are lost. That is why it is recommended to use Clenbuterol for 2-3 weeks and then stop and take a break for the same time, and start over again. For even better weight loss results you can also fill the break by using Cytomel, so you will alternate between these 2 substances every 2-3 weeks. You can use Ketotifen along with Clenbuterol, if you plan on using Clenbuterol constantly and without taking a break from it every 2-3 weeks and you want Clenbuterol to stay effective for longer periods. In that case you would add 2 tabs Ketotifen 1mg/daily, starting from week 2 into your Clenbuterol Cycle.
CLENBUTEROL SIDE EFFECTS
Those who have cardio vascular problems or high blood pressure, are advised to consult a doctor. Users will generally feel when they reach the limit of their Clenbuterol Dosage and can then reduce it to an acceptable level. Usage of Clenbuterol will have these side effects, most of them are needed to achieve the weight loss: a higher body temperature, increased heart rate and higher blood pressure, headaches. Users may also experience jitters or insomnia. Please consult with your doctor before you buy Clenbuterol.
What do you guys think of it?
I will also use a prohormone and maybe glucophage with the clen.
Aspirin will be taken for headaches and high bp and taurine for muscle cramps.
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