anavar help and pct

[gearbox]

It makes sense. Only part that I am confused on is we normal do pct for 4 to 5 wks . Why does it take levels 4-6 months

[FireGuy]

PCT can restore your LH levels in 4-6 weeks but once your LH levels are back in a normal range there is still a lag period before this translates into healthy testosterone levels again. I have seen the real world numbers with bodybuilders who get blood work done and their test levels are still in the tank months later even after aggressive PCT. I am not saying this is always the case as each individual recovers differently.

[Boxtrot]

First of all, you dont need to justify your use to me or anyone else. I am posting in your thread because I didnt and still dont understand your rational for how this is going to help. I understand you have a fused hip, I know two competitive bodybuilders who have had hip repla***ents so I know there are ways of training around it. My question was and still is, Is the Anavar going to allow you to do cardio where you arent currently able to do it due to not recovering or is it something else? So, are you changing anything else in your current regimine or just adding 60mgs of Anavar in hopes that it alone will burn off the 7lbs of bodyfat you need to lose to reach your goal in six weeks?

The fact that im on an anavar cycle with what i know as potential results will not only give me enough motivation to do the cardio but also diet which i have had a lot of trouble sticking to in the past. It's also worth it after referring to this thread http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...11-Anavar-Only 11th post down and other var transformations i've seen i am satisfied with the results i 'know' it could give me given i can tolerate the cutting diet, cardio and weight lifting i have set out for myself.

not only to lose bf but to gain 'some' muscle as per other transformations. Everyone is different and i may not get the same results as others just like the side effects may not be the same as others but im willing to risk that with var and not test. As for what may occur in the future once pct is done and t levels return to normal, who knows. What i do know is after much reading i would expect to see something a long the lines of 'great results 10 pound gain 2% bf loss but 4 months later i lost it all" but i havent so im confident this cycle will get me where i want to be. 2% bf drop and some lean muscle gain.

I didnt previously mention anything about the muscle gain for no real reason.

[Boxtrot]

Sounds excellent Bbrian i am gathering everything i need to do this cycle right now and no1 seems to be commenting on the PCT so i assume to be sufficient i will do the 4 weeks with both clomid and tamox like you've suggested.

I will also keep calories around maintenance as i've seen others do. I expect very reasonable results for my goals.

[gearbox]

yes the pct is good...

[BBrian]

There was a time when I would have said probably but the more I read on real world hypogonadism upon cessation the more pessimistic I have become. The length of time it takes to restore everything to normal levels can be 4-6 months even under a great PCT protocol. There is a reason so many people do a few cycles then go on cruise dosages forever. I tend to agree with Bear on this one. For what the OP wants to accomplish it just isnt worth it IMHO. At best he is back to where he started 8 weeks after cessation and at worse he is worse off 4 months from now.

This is very eye-opening. I'm trying to find a source for A Question of Muscle. Amazon is out of stock but it's bound to turn up somewhere. I'm very interested in obtaining a level of knowledge close to your own, so I read clinical journal after journal. There's just so much information out there, and so much more yet to be discovered. And I appreciate your honest approach to what is "written on forums".

Over the past twelve years I have done 1-2 cycles per year, never more than two, and up until after my last cycle I have never felt a decline in libido or sexual desire. But of course I am 35 now, and I also feel that the last PCT was inadequate. At any rate, my up and coming PCT will be fairly aggressive and this cycle will also have had HCG run alongside it for the first time (I've only ever used HCG as PCT in the past). Bloodwork performed over the past years has always come back outstanding, but I know it's only a matter of time, so we'll see what happens after this cycle. Thanks again for your time.

[BBrian]

I'm very serious. I would love to see you prove HCG stops the HPTA from being shut down.

Well first of all, I did not state that HCG is proven to stop the HPTA from being shut down. I have said that these mechanisms should be helpful in preventing such in another thread, but not even in this one. Similarly, PCT isn't proven to resurrect the gonads in every case, but we stick to the protocol because it is very often effective in doing this. But seeing as HCG acts as a leutenizing hormone, it can be very effective in stimulating the gonads, which in turn acts to prevent them from being shut down. But let me back up here, you are aware that we take HCG on-cycle to keep the gonads from being suppressed to the point of atrophy, right? At any rate, you've done a very good job (or poor job, depending on how you look at it) of putting words into my mouth and twisting my intentions and dialogue for the purpose of needless argument, or simply for the sake of saving face. But this isn't the point I made for your consideration, the first paragraph was. In case you missed it...


You know, sometimes you guys get way out of line with your desire to baby-sit people asking for advice on doses, and go too far out of your way to exaggerate the harms of Anavar . If you're terrified that he's going to suppress his gonads with 60mg of Anavar ed for 6 weeks, you must have somehow failed to notice that he will be taking HCG . Steroids aren't going to fix his physical limitations, but we all experiment with AAS to achieve results that diet and exercise alone either won't bring us to, or to simply come to those results at a faster rate. Either way, there are scenarios when steroid users telling people not to take steroids is hypocritical - and this is one of those scenarios.

There is so much more to gain from interacting on these forums than narrow-minded and petty arguing, insulting, and exploitation. Check your ego at the door and reject the dark side of the force.

[Boxtrot]

Thats some good reading brian.

I can see where the other guys are coming from. They're thinking worst case scenario with everything. If they do that with everybody i guess its like a one mentality fits all approach. Only the user themselves really knows if they've thought of every worst case scenario from every angle. I believe i have given the right amount of time needed to study this cycle from every aspect, from training to results.

I may not mention everything but that doesn't mean i haven't already thought of it.

[The Bear 79]

Well first of all, I did not state that HCG is proven to stop the HPTA from being shut down.

YAP YAP YAP YAP YAP YAP YAP......................whatever man you're not as smart as you think you are, if you didn't think HCG could prevent the body's hormone production from being shut down, you wouldn't have responded with "you cant be serious". Just because you talk like you're educated, doesn't mean you are, there's nothing wrong with not knowing & learning from your mistakes. And IMO, you shouldn't be giving cycle advice anyway, after 15 to 20 +/- cycles you're still pretty small / light, you obviously don't know what you're doing. And yeah I read a excuses about being sick & such, but you were small before your "illness" too.

[BBrian]

YAP YAP YAP YAP YAP YAP YAP......................whatever man you're not as smart as you think you are, if you didn't think HCG could prevent the body's hormone production from being shut down, you wouldn't have responded with "you cant be serious". Just because you talk like you're educated, doesn't mean you are, there's nothing wrong with not knowing & learning from your mistakes. And IMO, you shouldn't be giving cycle advice anyway, after 15 to 20 +/- cycles you're still pretty small / light, you obviously don't know what you're doing. And yeah I read a excuses about being sick & such, but you were small before your "illness" too.

I didn't mean to hurt your feelings and make you sink to desperation. I am really impressed that you have started to type words out fully though, if that makes you feel any better.

[FireGuy]

K guys, this thread has pretty much ran it's course. Time for everyone to move on and not turn this thing into a another pissing match.