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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    I just take some arginine before my workout and before bed and I have noticed a pretty big difference in the last 3 weeks with vascularity. I also take aminocore ontop of that.

    Quick question for you cialis guys does it make your body dependent for hard ons? For example if you take it regularly and than don't take it for say 4 days will you have problems getting it up on the 4th day? Or is it a somewhat permanent solution? Sorry if it sounds like a thread jack but someone had to be wondering this lol.
    I take a low dose daily so I couldn't say but I don't think you would become dependent on it.

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    OP, drop to around 10% bf and I bet you become more vascular...some don't see veins at 12% bf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M302_Imola View Post
    OP, drop to around 10% bf and I bet you become more vascular...some don't see veins at 12% bf.
    Agreed. I wasn't very vascular around 10% to be honest, with the exception of being VERY pumped in the gym. Just walking around though, I hardly had anything in my bi's showing like I see on a lot of guys (with higher bodyfat).

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    yeah everyone is different. I get them on my chest and shoulders before my forearms, where I really want them!
    Waaaaa....


    Quote Originally Posted by gbrice75 View Post
    Agreed. I wasn't very vascular around 10% to be honest, with the exception of being VERY pumped in the gym. Just walking around though, I hardly had anything in my bi's showing like I see on a lot of guys (with higher bodyfat).

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Waaaaa....





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    lmao. Still waiting for that Fedex tracking number...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel

    Waaaaa....

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    Easy for a guy wearing a roadmap to say!

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    Everyone is different. I see veins at 15% BF. Some people won't see veins even at 10 or 11.
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    I see them at 15% also especially in the leaner areas. shoulders / upper chest/ arms and so on.

    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Everyone is different. I see veins at 15% BF. Some people won't see veins even at 10 or 11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by largerthannormal View Post
    I see them at 15% also especially in the leaner areas. shoulders / upper chest/ arms and so on.
    right. I mean you won't see veins on your abdomen if your BF% is mostly compiled there, but you certainly can see it in leaner parts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite
    right. I mean you won't see veins on your abdomen if your BF% is mostly compiled there, but you certainly can see it in leaner parts.
    My body is just weird bc one of the first places I get veins is my stomach.... Well after for arms and calves of coarse

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    Quote Originally Posted by human project View Post
    My body is just weird bc one of the first places I get veins is my stomach.... Well after for arms and calves of coarse
    yeah everyone is different. I get them on my chest and shoulders before my forearms, where I really want them!
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    must be nice.. im trying hard for that right now...

    Quote Originally Posted by human project View Post
    My body is just weird bc one of the first places I get veins is my stomach.... Well after for arms and calves of coarse

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    L-arganine and L- citrulline

    can they be purchased at walmart or walgreens in vitamin section?

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    Quote Originally Posted by largerthannormal View Post
    L-arganine and L- citrulline

    can they be purchased at walmart or walgreens in vitamin section?
    UPS is bringing mine today! Can't wait to try it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brazensol View Post
    UPS is bringing mine today! Can't wait to try it out.
    Do not expect to much from a few supplements. As said above its bf and genetics that play a role. Anyone under 10% will have some serious vascularity. And I mean a true under 10% not these jokers that said they stand on a scale and it said I was 7 blah blah....

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    Any reason not to expect this vascularity to apply to the entire body? Including internal organs, brain, etc,,.

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    Low bf% plus high muscle mass will have your veins popping in no time genetics is not relevant..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas1 View Post
    Low bf% plus high muscle mass will have your veins popping in no time genetics is not relevant..
    Genetics absolutely 100% have a role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Genetics absolutely 100% have a role.
    I always thought genetics were the biggest factor in determining how vascular you are?

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    Genetics definitely have a huge role. I'm 13% bodyfat, maybe 14 & i have visual popped out veins in my neck, chest, biceps, triceps, forearms, abs & calves. My blood pressure is also naturally high, maybe this is a factor not sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RescuesPitbulls View Post
    Genetics definitely have a huge role. I'm 13% bodyfat, maybe 14 & i have visual popped out veins in my neck, chest, biceps, triceps, forearms, abs & calves. My blood pressure is also naturally high, maybe this is a factor not sure.
    Sick man! Love those upper chest road map veins...look sick when you have a pump!

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    Quote Originally Posted by M302_Imola View Post
    Sick man! Love those upper chest road map veins...look sick when you have a pump!
    Hell yea bro, i love that feeling wearing an undershirt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RescuesPitbulls View Post
    Genetics definitely have a huge role. I'm 13% bodyfat, maybe 14 & i have visual popped out veins in my neck, chest, biceps, triceps, forearms, abs & calves. My blood pressure is also naturally high, maybe this is a factor not sure.
    How high and do you take anything to control it? Pics look great btw!

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    How high and do you take anything to control it? Pics look great btw!
    I've had higher than average blood pressure since i was youngin', although i'm still pretty young lol I'm 22 years old. After years of diet changes my doctor came to the conclusion the higher than normal blood pressure is normal for me & there's no changing it. It's not damaging me, just slightly higher. I was never put on meds for it.

    I'm a pretty high strung guy, always anxious & very short tempered so that could also be a factor.

    I included a pic of my triceps which are also very vascular. This picture was taken after breakfast.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RescuesPitbulls View Post
    I've had higher than average blood pressure since i was youngin', although i'm still pretty young lol I'm 22 years old. After years of diet changes my doctor came to the conclusion the higher than normal blood pressure is normal for me & there's no changing it. It's not damaging me, just slightly higher. I was never put on meds for it.

    I'm a pretty high strung guy, always anxious & very short tempered so that could also be a factor.

    I included a pic of my triceps which are also very vascular. This picture was taken after breakfast.


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    I have done 0 cycles of PHs or AAS. I am interested but not sure if i'm ready. I'm looking to enter an NPC show soon.
    Looks great! Careful with the anxiety. It'll take years off your life and life's to short as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brazensol View Post
    Looks great! Careful with the anxiety. It'll take years off your life and life's to short as it is.
    lol yea i know man. I'm learning to not stress minor things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RescuesPitbulls View Post
    I've had higher than average blood pressure since i was youngin', although i'm still pretty young lol I'm 22 years old. After years of diet changes my doctor came to the conclusion the higher than normal blood pressure is normal for me & there's no changing it. It's not damaging me, just slightly higher. I was never put on meds for it.

    I'm a pretty high strung guy, always anxious & very short tempered so that could also be a factor.

    I included a pic of my triceps which are also very vascular. This picture was taken after breakfast.


    & PS, before questions arise
    I have done 0 cycles of PHs or AAS. I am interested but not sure if i'm ready. I'm looking to enter an NPC show soon.
    Look great bro especially for no aas cycles under your belt (no homo)! Way to be smart and not cycle at an early age!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RescuesPitbulls View Post
    I've had higher than average blood pressure since i was youngin', although i'm still pretty young lol I'm 22 years old. After years of diet changes my doctor came to the conclusion the higher than normal blood pressure is normal for me & there's no changing it. It's not damaging me, just slightly higher. I was never put on meds for it.

    I'm a pretty high strung guy, always anxious & very short tempered so that could also be a factor.

    I included a pic of my triceps which are also very vascular. This picture was taken after breakfast.


    & PS, before questions arise
    I have done 0 cycles of PHs or AAS. I am interested but not sure if i'm ready. I'm looking to enter an NPC show soon.
    I don't want to call you out, but your profile states that you are 25. If you don't mind my asking, what is your height and weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by basketballfan22 View Post
    I don't want to call you out, but your profile states that you are 25. If you don't mind my asking, what is your height and weight?
    5'6 175lbs Not too sure on bodyfat
    I played organized football for five years from 14 - 19
    Bodybuilding style training for 3 years
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    Quote Originally Posted by RescuesPitbulls View Post
    Genetics definitely have a huge role. I'm 13% bodyfat, maybe 14 & i have visual popped out veins in my neck, chest, biceps, triceps, forearms, abs & calves. My blood pressure is also naturally high, maybe this is a factor not sure.
    Looks good RP!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Looks good RP!
    Thanks man


    Need all the compliments i can get to boost some confidence heading to my first show.

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    Time will tell. I think the low dose cialis has already made a difference. I've been taking it several months now. Already seeing veins in my biceps, shoulders and of course forearms. My feet are also more vascular than 3 months ago. I've been 10-12% body fat before and never had much more than a slight biceps/forearm vascularity. I doubt I'm under 25% yet but might (big might) be 23-24%. Now it could be that the cialis along with potential genetics accounts for the change. I really don't know.

    What I am trying to find out is if this vascularity increase goes all the way down to the smallest of blood vessels or if it just applies to the larger ones. It seems like it should effect all vessels of all sizes.

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    This is after a tren mast cycle..... I wasn't on any supplements then although now I'm taking huge doses of tons of aminos and I'm barely vascular at all..... It's all about bf % really bub... When I'm over 12% you can't find a vein on me...... Just my 2cents

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    Quote Originally Posted by human project View Post
    This is after a tren mast cycle..... I wasn't on any supplements then although now I'm taking huge doses of tons of aminos and I'm barely vascular at all..... It's all about bf % really bub... When I'm over 12% you can't find a vein on me...... Just my 2cents

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    What bf% you at in those pics. Very impressive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brazensol

    What bf% you at in those pics. Very impressive!
    I don't know exactly... Probably between 5-6 I was probably between 4-5 for my contest which was way too lean to say the least.... I probably shouldn't of come down this low for the show and saved some size at the cost of a little vascularity..... Do burn up all your muscle trying to burn bf in hopes of seeing a little vascularity.... I've done it many times and each time promise to never do it again.... I'm getting better but still far from having it down.... I was 230ish in those pics but I'm under 12% bf with very little vascularity around 260-270....

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    Quote Originally Posted by human project View Post
    This is after a tren mast cycle..... I wasn't on any supplements then although now I'm taking huge doses of tons of aminos and I'm barely vascular at all..... It's all about bf % really bub... When I'm over 12% you can't find a vein on me...... Just my 2cents

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    The vascularity of your delt/bicep is sick. That's what I would like to accomplish. What ~bf% was this at?

    My bad...question already answered
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    Quote Originally Posted by human project View Post
    This is after a tren mast cycle..... I wasn't on any supplements then although now I'm taking huge doses of tons of aminos and I'm barely vascular at all..... It's all about bf % really bub... When I'm over 12% you can't find a vein on me...... Just my 2cents

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    Shtt i want vascularity like that in my forearms. Do you work them directly?

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    ^^^^ Nice!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    ^^^^ Nice!
    Nice hydraulic hose there on the bicep!

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    Low body certainly has it's place. Let's not discount genetics and your NO levels. High NO levels WILL help even at higher body fat.

    Not everyone will be able to get under 10 % and there are things you could do to achieve vascularity at higher BF. Restricting advice to lower BF is becoming more bro-science than anything. Like I said, BF% should be everyone's focus, but don't let that stop you if you can't reach 10%.

    Take my old business partner who has never seen a gym, I tested his NO levels and he is higher than me. This guy is at 19.1 % BF, we both did bodpod assessments the same day. He puts some BB's to shame with his veins.
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