Clen vs ECA

[adrenaline99]

Is there any research out there that comparing the raise in metabolic rate brought on by these two compounds? Anecdotal evidence suggests clen is clearly stronger but some people say they get better results from ECA. I personally get great results from ECA with no sides but have contemplated trying clen, it sounds nasty though.

[austinite]

No links to provide, but If I HAD to choose, I'd do anything on earth other than Clenbuterol.

[Hard.On]

I have done both,
in my opinion ECA vs Clen would be like comparing a cycle of prop vs a cycle of creatine

[Buster Brown]

^^^^Agreed. Clen is rough stuff and when you start cramping.......it is brutal!

[matcos]

ECA is really better then Clen for me....

[King Chris]

Does the ECA stack really work that well?

[starkiller]

Does the ECA stack really work that well?

The eca stack helps just as any other compound however, Its like anything else you do...you get out what you put in.

[Allaaro]

I don't have any issues with clen, or eca....really you need to try both to see what you like better.

Personally, I'd rather just up the AAS dosage(tren) and keep diet on track if I'm looking to push the diet faster(not advised for everyone, or even most) as on AAS for life here... But AAS/clen/eca, it's all not needed, if diet/training is on point. So make sure before you do anything diet/training is on track. ECA isn't magic, or clen....or even tren. Just icing on the cake.

[t-dogg]

Both out dated. Much better and safer ways to aid in cutting.

[tarmyg]

Both out dated. Much better and safer ways to aid in cutting.

Mind expanding on that a bit?

Thanks
~T

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[t-dogg]

Mind expanding on that a bit? Thanks ~T

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Clen is pretty taxing IMO on most people. I've ran it with no ill sides multi times now. Some cycles and one 8wk straight run. Does it work sure. Some people cramp, shakes, ect. Only thing I do really like about clen is it opening my breathing up a lot. I have nose issues...

EcA works, but I'm not a fan of running aspirin like that. "I actually run 600mgs of caffeine daily now"

Gw501516 works better then both clen/ecA and with much better side results along with it. Endurance increased.

Austinites fat burning stack is so far to all my testing been best without gear, hgh, ect. It's cheap, no sides, and can run it for a long time. Burns fat. Stops sugar cravings. All around goodness.

[tarmyg]

Gw501516 works better then both clen/ecA and with much better side results along with it. Endurance increased.

The day I put that crazy shit into my body will be the day!!!

Thanks
~T

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[austinite]

The day I put that crazy shit into my body will be the day!!!

That's what she said.

[t-dogg]

The day I put that crazy shit into my body will be the day!!! Thanks ~T

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Why is it crazy? No crazier then anything else.

[kidrock29520]

Just don't see why those things are necessary if you're doing everything else right ( diet, cardio, etc. ).

[t-dogg]

Just don't see why those things are necessary if you're doing everything else right ( diet, cardio, etc. ).

Because everyone is different. That's why. Everyone hits hard spots no matter how "on point" they are.

[kidrock29520]

Because everyone is different. That's why. Everyone hits hard spots no matter how "on point" they are.

Diet and cardio can always be adjusted if that happens. There is no reason for people to be on things like that if they aren't competing, period.

[t-dogg]

Diet and cardio can always be adjusted if that happens. There is no reason for people to be on those compounds if they aren't competing, period.

That's your point of view. Nothing more.


If supplements, stacks have no bad side effects I see no reason not to use things.

[kidrock29520]

That's your point of view. Nothing more.


If supplements, stacks have no bad side effects I see no reason not to use things.

So you don't think Clen or ECA has any bad side effects?

...The risk vs the reward is just not worth it.

[tarmyg]

Just don't see why those things are necessary if you're doing everything else right ( diet, cardio, etc. ).

Unless I am out on a limb here this is what this site is for, advice on how to use drugs that most of us take in an illegal manner.

Thanks
~T

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[kidrock29520]

Unless I am out on a limb here this is what this site is for, advice on how to use drugs that most of us take in an illegal manner.

Thanks
~T

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No problem with that. Just like there isn't a problem with somebody trying to offer an alternative saying that their goals can be accomplished without those drugs.

[tarmyg]

No problem with that. Just like there isn't a problem with somebody trying to offer an alternative saying that their goals can be accomplished without those drugs.

Agreed!

Thanks
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[t-dogg]

Therefore, it seems that the optimal solution to lose weight must involve the proper combination of diet, exercise, and drug interaction. Ephedrine may hold the key to fill in for the drug portion of the equation.




Lol, this was copied and pasted.

[AlphaMike]

As for the dangers of ECA and Clen, you picked the worst case scenario side effects. Here's a quote from you a couple days ago:

Anavar only cycles are fine. I've done it many times and never felt "supressed", "shutdown" or had any real side effects of note.

Sounds like the man enjoys his anavar, so what are the worst case scenario sides for that drug?

loss of appetite, depression, dark urine, muscle cramps, nausea, vomiting, itching, difficulty in breathing, acne, changes in libido, menstrual irregularities, and mood changes.

My point? Everything in moderation. Now quit hassling T-dogg

[kidrock29520]

As for the dangers of ECA and Clen, you picked the worst case scenario side effects. Here's a quote from you a couple days ago:

Sounds like the man enjoys his anavar, so what are the worst case scenario sides for that drug?


My point? Everything in moderation. Now quit hassling T-dogg

I don't see cardiac arrest in there or anything else that would lead to death like ECA and Clen can. Plus Anavar can give you something that you can't get with a regular diet and training. There is a specific hard, dry and full look that you're gonna get with Anavar that is pretty much impossible to achieve without it. That, to me, is worth any of the *MINOR* side effects you might see while on Anavar.

[t-dogg]

I don't see cardiac arrest in there or anything else that would lead to death like ECA and Clen can. Plus Anavar can give you something that you can't get with a regular diet and training. There is a specific hard, dry and full look that you're gonna get with Anavar that is pretty much impossible to achieve without it. To, that is worth any of the *MINOR* side effects you might see while on Anavar.

Lol... Cardiac arrest? You could get that from a red bull and star bucks. Your points are getting funny now. Minor sides? Have you read or seen any studies? Ever had blood work done for yourself? I'd be more worried doing a anavar only cycle then just doing clen, ecA. I'm not even a fan of clen and I love anavar...


The dogg has spoken

[kidrock29520]

Lol... Cardiac arrest? You could get that from a red bull and star bucks. Your points are getting funny now. Minor sides? Have you read or seen any studies? Ever had blood work done for yourself? I'd be more worried doing a anavar only cycle then just doing clen, ecA. I'm not even a fan of clen and I love anavar...


The dogg has spoken

I don't see people dropping dead because of Anavar. On the other hand, there are a ton of documented cases where people have died between Ephedrine and Clen.

[AlphaMike]

The dogg has spoken

End of discussion.

[kidrock29520]

Therefore, it seems that the optimal solution to lose weight must involve the proper combination of diet, exercise, and drug interaction. Ephedrine may hold the key to fill in for the drug portion of the equation.




Lol, this was copied and pasted.

"Optimal solution" is a very vague term they're using there. They're clearly not telling people that they have to use drugs to lose weight. Rather that it can speed up weight loss and there is no doubt about that. What I've been arguing about the whole time is, can it get you to a place where simple dieting and training can't get you alone? ...and the answer is no. So then you take the side effects into account and it's simple for me to say that the risk for those things aren't worth the reward.

[AlphaMike]

The article summary:

In short, ephedrine has shown promising signs in terms of its generally positive effects on the human body, especially on the reduction of fat and body weight. Studies have shown that ephedrine is most effective as a weight loss stimulant when used in conjunction with other drugs, such as caffeine. Research has also shown that is is virtually impossible to achieve weight loss without a healthy diet and regular exercise. Therefore, it seems that the optimal solution to lose weight must involve the proper combination of diet, exercise, and drug interaction. Ephedrine may hold the key to fill in for the drug portion of the equation, but as with practically all drugs, there are risks involved. Whether ephedrine is too dangerous to be sold in over the counter products, is still under debate. Ephedrine does have great potential, yet is it worth the risks?

You just cited a study that directly counters your argument.

[Allaaro]

Screw it..just use Clen/ECA and stack in some DNP. Go eat ice cream everyday and lose weight and look great. *disclaimer that I'm not serious since you'd probably die*

[MDK1]

Is there any research out there that comparing the raise in metabolic rate brought on by these two compounds? Anecdotal evidence suggests clen is clearly stronger but some people say they get better results from ECA. I personally get great results from ECA with no sides but have contemplated trying clen, it sounds nasty though.

I have a presentation saved somewhere written by a toxicologist which indicates clenbuterol can elevate someone's BMR approximately 10% and ECA elevates someone's BMR about 2%.