Clen vs ECA

[t-dogg]

Just don't see why those things are necessary if you're doing everything else right ( diet, cardio, etc. ).

Because everyone is different. That's why. Everyone hits hard spots no matter how "on point" they are.

[kidrock29520]

Because everyone is different. That's why. Everyone hits hard spots no matter how "on point" they are.

Diet and cardio can always be adjusted if that happens. There is no reason for people to be on things like that if they aren't competing, period.

[t-dogg]

Diet and cardio can always be adjusted if that happens. There is no reason for people to be on those compounds if they aren't competing, period.

That's your point of view. Nothing more.


If supplements, stacks have no bad side effects I see no reason not to use things.

[kidrock29520]

That's your point of view. Nothing more.


If supplements, stacks have no bad side effects I see no reason not to use things.

So you don't think Clen or ECA has any bad side effects?

...The risk vs the reward is just not worth it.

[t-dogg]

So you don't think Clen or ECA has any bad side effects? ...The risk vs the reward is just not worth it.

Clen yes.



EcA doesn't do anything bad, just increases work output.



That's like saying lifting and running are bad for you just because the risk of getting hurt is to high.

[kidrock29520]

Clen yes.



EcA doesn't do anything bad, just increases work output.



That's like saying lifting and running are bad for you just because the risk of getting hurt is to high.

Lol, no it's not. Odds are if you are an individual without serious health problems, lifting and running won't kill you. The same can't be said for Clen and ECA. Both lead to a significant increase heart rate which makes them both dangerous, especially for people training.

[t-dogg]

Lol, no it's not. Odds are if you are an individual without serious health problems, lifting and running won't kill you. The same can't be said for Clen and ECA. Both lead to a significant increase heart rate which makes them both dangerous, especially for people training.

Lol... This couldn't be more wrong... On clen my resting heart heart increases 10-15bpm and that's using 120mcgs a day. Hardly something for the average person to be worried with. Depending on my training for that day I've had my heart rate up as high as 210-215bpm. Granted my resting heart rate year is around 53bpm. I speak from documented cases with myself. I've used clen, ecA, gw, ect, ect in different training camps for local,and international Brazilian jiu-jitsu, and mma. So ending, you couldn't be more wrong.


I studied this using a heart rate monitor, body tempature reading and blood work.

[AlphaMike]

Clen yes.
EcA doesn't do anything bad, just increases work output.
That's like saying lifting and running are bad for you just because the risk of getting hurt is to high.

Originally Posted by kidrock29520
Lol, no it's not. Odds are if you are an individual without serious health problems, lifting and running won't kill you. The same can't be said for Clen and ECA. Both lead to a significant increase heart rate which makes them both dangerous, especially for people training.

Tdogg,
arguing with someone like this is an exercise in futility.

[t-dogg]

Tdogg, arguing with someone like this is an exercise in futility.

Yeah I've seen some of his posts. Less then impressive...