Clen vs ECA

[t-dogg]

So you don't think Clen or ECA has any bad side effects? ...The risk vs the reward is just not worth it.

Clen yes.



EcA doesn't do anything bad, just increases work output.



That's like saying lifting and running are bad for you just because the risk of getting hurt is to high.

[kidrock29520]

Clen yes.



EcA doesn't do anything bad, just increases work output.



That's like saying lifting and running are bad for you just because the risk of getting hurt is to high.

Lol, no it's not. Odds are if you are an individual without serious health problems, lifting and running won't kill you. The same can't be said for Clen and ECA. Both lead to a significant increase heart rate which makes them both dangerous, especially for people training.

[t-dogg]

Lol, no it's not. Odds are if you are an individual without serious health problems, lifting and running won't kill you. The same can't be said for Clen and ECA. Both lead to a significant increase heart rate which makes them both dangerous, especially for people training.

Lol... This couldn't be more wrong... On clen my resting heart heart increases 10-15bpm and that's using 120mcgs a day. Hardly something for the average person to be worried with. Depending on my training for that day I've had my heart rate up as high as 210-215bpm. Granted my resting heart rate year is around 53bpm. I speak from documented cases with myself. I've used clen, ecA, gw, ect, ect in different training camps for local,and international Brazilian jiu-jitsu, and mma. So ending, you couldn't be more wrong.


I studied this using a heart rate monitor, body tempature reading and blood work.

[kidrock29520]

Lol...


This couldn't be more wrong...

Please elaborate. I hear a lot of talk out of some guys on here but not much substance.

[t-dogg]

Please elaborate. I hear a lot of talk out of some guys on here but not much substance.

Just did. read above.

[kidrock29520]

Lol... This couldn't be more wrong...



On clen my resting heart heart increases 10-15bpm and that's using 120mcgs a day. Hardly something for the average person to be worried with. Depending on my training for that day I've had my heart rate up as high as 210-215bpm. Granted my resting heart rate year is around 53bpm. I speak from documented cases with myself. I've used clen, ecA, gw, ect, ect in different training camps for local,and international Brazilian jiu-jitsu, and mma.


So ending, you couldn't be more wrong. Stop posting on things you clearly don't use or know nothing about.

Education time...

Clen -
http://www.animal-science.org/content/66/2/342.full.pdf
Excerpt:
"Initial consumption of clenbuterol caused a
rapid doubling of heart rate."

Ephedrine ( which is my main issue with ECA ) -
http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psycho...rine-final.htm
Excerpt:
"Ephedrine has the unique ability to stimulate thermogenesis in the human body. It works by, essentially, speeding up the heart rate, thus inducing a faster metabolism."
"Heart rate and blood pressure can be increased causing dehydration and decreased circulation. Complications from these adverse effects may result in cerebral hemorrhage, (stroke), and cardiac arrhythimies, (heart irregularities), that can result in cardiac arrest and death."

[t-dogg]

Education time... Clen - http://www.animal-science.org/content/66/2/342.full.pdf Excerpt: "Initial consumption of clenbuterol caused a rapid doubling of heart rate." Ephedrine ( which is my main issue with ECA ) - http://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/psycho...rine-final.htm Excerpt: "Ephedrine has the unique ability to stimulate thermogenesis in the human body. It works by, essentially, speeding up the heart rate, thus inducing a faster metabolism." "Heart rate and blood pressure can be increased causing dehydration and decreased circulation. Complications from these adverse effects may result in cerebral hemorrhage, (stroke), and cardiac arrhythimies, (heart irregularities), that can result in cardiac arrest and death."

Lol.... Did you even bother to read what you posted? So you originally said not to use drugs to aid in fat loss. Now your posting studies that say you need to use drugs for fat loss. Which is it?



Also most of most you just posted came from 1993 and 1996.

[kidrock29520]

Lol....


Did you even bother to read what you posted?



So you originally said not to use drugs to aid in fat loss. Now your posting studies that say you need to use drugs for fat loss. Which is it?

Did YOU even read the article? Where does it say that you *NEED* to use anything for weight loss?

Excerpts from the conclusion of the ECA article:
"Research has also shown that it is virtually impossible to achieve weight loss without a healthy diet and regular exercise."
"Ephedrine does have great potential, yet is it worth the risks?"

...and my answer to their question would be no.

[AlphaMike]

Clen yes.
EcA doesn't do anything bad, just increases work output.
That's like saying lifting and running are bad for you just because the risk of getting hurt is to high.

Originally Posted by kidrock29520
Lol, no it's not. Odds are if you are an individual without serious health problems, lifting and running won't kill you. The same can't be said for Clen and ECA. Both lead to a significant increase heart rate which makes them both dangerous, especially for people training.

Tdogg,
arguing with someone like this is an exercise in futility.

[t-dogg]

Tdogg, arguing with someone like this is an exercise in futility.

Yeah I've seen some of his posts. Less then impressive...