I thought a break helps you recover and come back stronger?

[Khazima]

your wrong it would be successfully broken up into quads and hamstrings , not push/pull.

Talking about foundations Lmao in so many ways. I've got 20 years in the gym, competed in bb'ING and trained with upper level power lifters. You sit at the computer after just reading and type away like you have lived and done it. Tip of the day.......more time in the gym and eating, less time at the computer. Build a real base. Or go somewhere else, because I'm sick of hearing you argue.

You should learn the art of acceptance, it's okay for people to have varying opinions from you, just because you've done this n that doesn't mean that only your information is allowed to be spread around the forum.

[BG]

You should learn the art of acceptance, it's okay for people to have varying opinions from you, just because you've done this n that doesn't mean that only your information is allowed to be spread around the forum.

you need how to be respectful and understand how to explain you point without arguing. Instead say I have READ where elite lifters have been successful with 3x ew body part training and then explain how THEY did it. You come off as if you have done and been successful, which have not. Pure speculation on your part. To say that worked for them and would work for normal lifters like most of our members is ignorant. Which you are along with arogant, which I have no idea where that is coming from since your a pure fuking newb.

[zempey]

I would only advise once a week to a newb, personally. All the supporting muscles will take time to build and will need ample time to recover, this will help prevent injury in the beginning stages of training.

[Buster Brown]

You should learn the art of acceptance, it's okay for people to have varying opinions from you, just because you've done this n that doesn't mean that only your information is allowed to be spread around the forum.

How did you become so much smarter then everyone else? People who have 25 years vested have put in the real work .....they did it in a gym. And guess what???????? The same principles that worked in the 60's still work today. You aren't going to Google a new discovery ..post it ...and then try to make us (the rest of the people who don't agree with you or are too polite to say it) sound like we don't know what we are talking about. I bet if we were all in the same gym you would change your tune real quick. Acceptance! Give it a break bro ......try to get over yourself and the fact that you haven't put in your time yet to know for yourself what works and what doesn't. Reading it doesn't mean that you have lived it!

[marcus300]

you need how to be respectful and understand how to explain you point without arguing. Instead say I have READ where elite lifters have been successful with 3x ew body part training and then explain how THEY did it. You come off as if you have done and been successful, which have not. Pure speculation on your part. To say that worked for them and would work for normal lifters like most of our members is ignorant. Which you are along with arogant, which I have no idea where that is coming from since your a pure fuking newb.

How did you become so much smarter then everyone else? People who have 25 years vested have put in the real work .....they did it in a gym. And guess what???????? The same principles that worked in the 60's still work today. You aren't going to Google a new discovery ..post it ...and then try to make us (the rest of the people who don't agree with you or are too polite to say it) sound like we don't know what we are talking about. I bet if we were all in the same gym you would change your tune real quick. Acceptance! Give it a break bro ......try to get over yourself and the fact that you haven't put in your time yet to know for yourself what works and what doesn't. Reading it doesn't mean that you have lived it!

Amem

[fitnesstrainer]

How did you become so much smarter then everyone else? People who have 25 years vested have put in the real work .....they did it in a gym. And guess what???????? The same principles that worked in the 60's still work today. You aren't going to Google a new discovery ..post it ...and then try to make us (the rest of the people who don't agree with you or are too polite to say it) sound like we don't know what we are talking about. I bet if we were all in the same gym you would change your tune real quick. Acceptance! Give it a break bro ......try to get over yourself and the fact that you haven't put in your time yet to know for yourself what works and what doesn't. Reading it doesn't mean that you have lived it!

X2 practical knowledge through experience trumps all.

[Khazima]

How did you become so much smarter then everyone else? People who have 25 years vested have put in the real work .....they did it in a gym. And guess what???????? The same principles that worked in the 60's still work today. You aren't going to Google a new discovery ..post it ...and then try to make us (the rest of the people who don't agree with you or are too polite to say it) sound like we don't know what we are talking about. I bet if we were all in the same gym you would change your tune real quick. Acceptance! Give it a break bro ......try to get over yourself and the fact that you haven't put in your time yet to know for yourself what works and what doesn't. Reading it doesn't mean that you have lived it!

you need how to be respectful and understand how to explain you point without arguing. Instead say I have READ where elite lifters have been successful with 3x ew body part training and then explain how THEY did it. You come off as if you have done and been successful, which have not. Pure speculation on your part. To say that worked for them and would work for normal lifters like most of our members is ignorant. Which you are along with arogant, which I have no idea where that is coming from since your a pure fuking newb.

I apologize for coming off argumentative and arrogant, it's a personality flaw i have trouble keeping in line. I'm just passionate about my opinion and hate to be shunned for it.

[BG]

I apologize for coming off argumentative and arrogant, it's a personality flaw i have trouble keeping in line. I'm just passionate about my opinion and hate to be shunned for it.

no worries. We appreciate the enthusiasm just try to be respectful and not argumentative, all will be good.

[Buster Brown]

I apologize for coming off argumentative and arrogant, it's a personality flaw i have trouble keeping in line. I'm just passionate about my opinion and hate to be shunned for it.

Its all good to a point. Your enthusiasm is obvious and there is nothing wrong with research just be respectful to others.

[zempey]

What was the original question in this thread again?

[fitnesstrainer]

What was the original question in this thread again?

His question got answered. He was asking why he was getting weaker, in reality his CNS just needs to re adapt to training.

[redrum86]

Thanks for ruining the thread...

Aside from that, the reason I am squatting 3x a week is because I was following Starting Strength. I go heavy Mon and Fri and incorporate a light day on wed consisting of 80% of mondays weight.
I realize most people do bodybuilding and lift for hypertrophy. I just wanted a basic foundation of strength first. I don't plan on squatting 3x/week for much longer. Perhaps a few more months.

I was questioning my progress because I see others around me lifting much more and half my size. Heck, My g/f deadlifted 225 for 1 rep and has been training for a year. It just seems like I am not as strong as I should be this far in. Then again, I wasn't strong when I began.

I appreciate everyone's comments and responses.

[Docd187123]

Thanks for ruining the thread...

Aside from that, the reason I am squatting 3x a week is because I was following Starting Strength. I go heavy Mon and Fri and incorporate a light day on wed consisting of 80% of mondays weight.
I realize most people do bodybuilding and lift for hypertrophy. I just wanted a basic foundation of strength first. I don't plan on squatting 3x/week for much longer. Perhaps a few more months.

I was questioning my progress because I see others around me lifting much more and half my size. Heck, My g/f deadlifted 225 for 1 rep and has been training for a year. It just seems like I am not as strong as I should be this far in. Then again, I wasn't strong when I began.

I appreciate everyone's comments and responses.

If I remember correctly you were trying to recomp or drop weight while running this program. I told you back then it would be difficult and you'd have to sacrifice overall strength gains if weight and body comp was primary goal. This is why you feel like you're not making tremendous progress. I'd also guess you could benefit from a few form tweaks. To do SS correctly you can't worry about others. You have to concentrate on yourself and keep adding weight to the bar. Don't worry about anyone else's progress but your own.

[redrum86]

If I remember correctly you were trying to recomp or drop weight while running this program. I told you back then it would be difficult and you'd have to sacrifice overall strength gains if weight and body comp was primary goal. This is why you feel like you're not making tremendous progress. I'd also guess you could benefit from a few form tweaks. To do SS correctly you can't worry about others. You have to concentrate on yourself and keep adding weight to the bar. Don't worry about anyone else's progress but your own.

Ha! Excellent memory my man!
Back then when i posted, i was in a 500cal deficit. That was in august. I took the advice given and increased to maintenance. My squat went from 205 in August to 250 in november.
I was injured twice and took a massive decrease both times and slowly working my way up. I was using a belt and pretty sure i fractured a rib using it. I just did. 237.5 without the belt today, a weight i wasnt ablt to do 2 months ago without it. I hit 275 for one rep for shits and giggles, a PR for me.
I also went from 243 to 263 and gained 1.75in on my waist :/
I want to lose some weight now, now that i have some strength. Which program would be good to run in a deficit? Not looking to be in the gym more than 4x/week and would still perfer a PL prog.

[Khazima]

Ha! Excellent memory my man!
Back then when i posted, i was in a 500cal deficit. That was in august. I took the advice given and increased to maintenance. My squat went from 205 in August to 250 in november.
I was injured twice and took a massive decrease both times and slowly working my way up. I was using a belt and pretty sure i fractured a rib using it. I just did. 237.5 without the belt today, a weight i wasnt ablt to do 2 months ago without it. I hit 275 for one rep for shits and giggles, a PR for me.
I also went from 243 to 263 and gained 1.75in on my waist :/
I want to lose some weight now, now that i have some strength. Which program would be good to run in a deficit? Not looking to be in the gym more than 4x/week and would still perfer a PL prog.

5-3-1 looks good for a 3-4 day split, cube or westside method too.

[Buster Brown]

Thanks for ruining the thread...

Aside from that, the reason I am squatting 3x a week is because I was following Starting Strength. I go heavy Mon and Fri and incorporate a light day on wed consisting of 80% of mondays weight.
I realize most people do bodybuilding and lift for hypertrophy. I just wanted a basic foundation of strength first. I don't plan on squatting 3x/week for much longer. Perhaps a few more months.

I was questioning my progress because I see others around me lifting much more and half my size. Heck, My g/f deadlifted 225 for 1 rep and has been training for a year. It just seems like I am not as strong as I should be this far in. Then again, I wasn't strong when I began.

I appreciate everyone's comments and responses.

Maybe you aren't gaining the strength you are looking for because you are not allowing yourself enough time to recover.

[zempey]

My post was not meant as a question, I know what the thread was about, lol.

[Buster Brown]

If I remember correctly you were trying to recomp or drop weight while running this program. I told you back then it would be difficult and you'd have to sacrifice overall strength gains if weight and body comp was primary goal. This is why you feel like you're not making tremendous progress. I'd also guess you could benefit from a few form tweaks. To do SS correctly you can't worry about others. You have to concentrate on yourself and keep adding weight to the bar. Don't worry about anyone else's progress but your own.

Ahhhhhh.....def tough to get stronger and lose weight at the same time.

[Docd187123]

Ahhhhhh.....def tough to get stronger and lose weight at the same time.

I could be wrong but I think it's the same poster. He made a thread a few months ago about running SS while in a calorie deficit. Yea it's not the easiest thing to do

[Buster Brown]

I could be wrong but I think it's the same poster. He made a thread a few months ago about running SS while in a calorie deficit. Yea it's not the easiest thing to do

Kinda like benching 800 and running the 440 in 6 seconds. I would say OP def isn't allowing enough recovery time squatting heavy on Friday and then Monday with a speed day on Wed especially in a calorie def if that's the case.