I'm not Rida but one thing I can tell you that the news agencies here flat out lie about things in the Middle East quite often. I do not trust the media coverage of anything relating to the Middle East.Originally Posted by kelkel
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I'm not Rida but one thing I can tell you that the news agencies here flat out lie about things in the Middle East quite often. I do not trust the media coverage of anything relating to the Middle East.
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Can't disagree with that at all. The media is both profit and agenda driven.
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And this is much of the reason for the hatred on both sides IMO. When both sides twist the facts to support their side and garner public opinion the end result is what we see today
I've been to several countries in the Middle East, most frequently Lebanon, but like Rida I can tell you that most of the people there only want to be able to raise their children, not bury them. I was just outside of Beirut one time on vacation visiting family when I was 10yo I think. A bomb had been set off and completely devastated a few buildings. I had relatives a few blocks from there and I remember going with some other family members to sift through the rubble to look for survivors. It's a sight I see very frequently when I go to sleep. I remember everything unfortunately but it makes me see things through another focus. I can understand why ppl would want revenge. Now I'm not justifying going out and killing people, it's wrong for both sides, but think of what you would do if you lost your whole family to something like this. Thankfully I didn't lose anyone that time but I was there to pick up the pieces of the bodies that remained. One kid, couldn't be more than 15 or 16, was picking up the pieces of his mother's body. Then you get a radical telling him he can get his revenge if he joins their cause. It's a recipe for disaster on both ends.
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This is exactly what scares me.. And that's why I was begging that guy on the thread not to speak in that language painting everyone with the same brush..
I would like to add something to this beautiful thread..
Not every middle eastern is a Muslim .. In my country 5~7% of the population are Christians , In lebanon I guess it was 40-50 % once , but I dunno now..
Lebanon is an Arabic middle eastern CHRISTIAN country until today and tomorrow , and it will always be.
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I ll list what people say in this part of world.. This might make some people angry , but I ll just say it anyways..
The simple answer to your question is YES. It all started after saddam Hussein went down after Iraq invasion .. People believed he was a dictator , but he didn't care much about religion .. Yes, he was evil , but after he's gone we have to deal with bigger stronger evil..
Organized one: Iran ..
Unorganized aka ISIS and other radical groups.. And those are spreading like cancer in Iraq and Syria as there is no government in control in those countries..
The sad thing is that some governments supported ISIS cause they wanted to get rid of the Syrian regime , but things went out of control , and like I previously stated , it looks like a matter of business , oil , $
Put a machine gun into uneducated person , brain wash him, and he is a tool in your hand ..
In my country , we are more lucky as we don't have many radicals around ,only individuals.. Mostly non Jordanians, but I ve spoken to some of those , and looks like all of them have something in common : lack of education , no work or job , broke people.. And many of them lost a relative here or there in the US invasion to Iraq ... Can u imagine how it gets so easy to play them?
Here comes ISIS game:
Americans killed your father
Americans killed your mother
Bla bla bla .. And once in a sudden he believes it..
In a second , you are his enemy.. And I'm too cuz you are my friend.. Even I speak his language..
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^^^Agreed, Rida. When speaking to my Middle Eastern friends, they also said that all of these radicals have certain things in common: uneducated, broke, no job, no structure in their lives. Take a person like that who has nearly nothing to LIVE for and, in turn, give them something to DIE for. It gives their uneducated mind a sense of purpose, and they'll do just about anything.
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Spot on. I lived there for 18 years of my life, the reason we were able to live as Catholics without getting beheaded was because these radicals were few and controlled by the moderate majority, when Iraq and Syria became week the thugs took over.
For those who are saying the media lies and no one knows the truth what goes on in middle east i say take your head out of the sand, you're either ignorant or a sympathizer, 1000s of Christians have been slotterd already, i don't have to hear it from the news, I get directly from relatives and friends in iraq.
Take a listen to this clip, if this doesn't convince those who give terrorist the benefit of the doubt, then you're simply one of them,
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/01/0...-terror-attack
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I say take your head out of the sand as well and realize that thousands of Muslims have died, thousands of Christians have died, thousands of Jewish have died. People of every religious background have died. Nobody said to give a terrorist the benefit of the doubt but not all terrorists are Muslim in case you didn't realize that ....
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That's not what i said. If you read my post you will see that i gave credit to moderate majority which are Muslims. But what about the imam in the video, did that shed some truth to you about what their aim is?
I say take your head out of the sand as well and realize that thousands of Muslims have died, thousands of Christians have died, thousands of Jewish have died. People of every religious background have died. Nobody said to give a terrorist the benefit of the doubt but not all terrorists are Muslim in case you didn't realize that ....
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The only reason I chimed into this thread to point the finger to the differences between normal people (majority) and radicals and that was a reply to a guy who wanted to bomb the Middle East to be more comfortable ..
If you have friends/family in the Middle East then I guess u would disagree with him also..as he didn't distinguish between anyone living here..
The only message I wanted to deliver is that terrorists don't know the difference between Muslims or non Muslims.. They have one thing in their mind: if u not with us , then you are against it , no matter what your religion is.
One last thing ,exactly like you.. I don't need Fox News to tell me what's going on in front of my eyes.. And yes media is biased when it covers the news of the Middle East .. That's my opinion and this doesn't make me a terrorist..
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I can't watch the video here at work so I'll have to play it later tonight. The aim of the imam and that of his followers is their aim which isn't necessarily the aim of the moderate majority of Muslims as you pointed out. There's extremism on both sides of the argument and to an extent I do agree with you. I guess my point is there's the good and the bad everywhere.
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This is one of the most thought out threads I have come across on this topic.
I can say this I have been over seas with my boots in the sand and seen the way the us does business I have seen the wrong area on a map turned to dust and then marched thru it. As the people try to pick up whats left including dead loved ones. I have seen the look in a mans eyes as he kneels in the road and screams to the heavens and looks at me with fear hatred and disgust wrapped in agony for lost loved ones. I did not see fear for his own life at that time. Spin that just a little bit and you have a man that will kill for someone else. And when I am able to take a call from home the news either mentions nothing or has it all wrong. Turn the table on yourself this event happens on your street .to you. Leaves you with nothing to live for. You might find a new level of hate inside you. You might look for a group where you can take up arms against the men that have done this.
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I don't know if you're terrorist or not but will take your word for it. Fox news reporting regarding what terrorist are doing is almost 100% matching reports i get from iraq, all others are biased. To know the truth you need to speak to the victims, i do.
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I can assure you that Rida does indeed speak with the victims. He lives with them in he Middle East. Also, it's not only what the reports of what the terrorists are doing that worries me, it's what everybody else is doing too n
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Come on bass.. U make me sound like I'm saying that there are no victims nor terrorists .. I am sure there are victims and I am sure terrorists exists.. That's why I'm here at the first place..
And I've spoken to lots of victims to terrorists , Syrians and Iraqis ..even some Jordanians ..
Jordan is a very safe country , that's why we have lots of refugees here. Those people run away for their lives and the future of their kids..
Don't u see we say the same thing me and you?
We both hate radicals ..
We both know people who got hurt by terrorists
We both distinguish between radicals and moderate people.
And we both like steroids ..
Have u ever seen any terrorist on gear?
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Come on bass.. U make me sound like I'm saying that there are no victims nor terrorists .. I am sure there are victims and I am sure terrorists exists.. That's why I'm here at the first place..
And I've spoken to lots of victims to terrorists , Syrians and Iraqis ..even some Jordanians ..
Jordan is a very safe country , that's why we have lots of refugees here. Those people run away for their lives and the future of their kids..
Don't u see we say the same thing me and you?
We both hate radicals ..
We both know people who got hurt by terrorists
We both distinguish between radicals and moderate people.
And we both like steroids ..
Have u ever seen any terrorist on gear?
I totally agree. I myself learned from this thread....I need to be sure to differentiate between Muslim and Muslim Extremest. After speaking to Rida about this I did some research and came upon the Muslims in Northern Iraq who are taking in the Christians that are being forced out of their ancient cities because of fear or Isi. and protecting them. This was a big part of my prayer at church that night, that we need more of that type of compassion through all of mankind.
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I would take the nuke them or turn the place into a parking lot comments with a grain of sand so to speak. I dont think they really mean it. Ive said similar but would not want that done, killing the innocent.
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I think people take the nuke em' all approach simply because they view terrorism and radicals as something that is contagious so to speak. Similar to how we feared communism. At first, these problems seemed contained to the Middle East and now they are happening all over the world.
The hard part to this "war" on terrorism and radicals is the fact that they are not in uniform or in plain site. You can talk to someone by day and by night come to find they are a radical or terrorist. I think that frustrates people and which is why people use that expression, not realizing all the innocent lives that would be lost.
I'm not saying those are my views, I simply trying to understand the expression. I wish for peace and happiness amongst everyone.
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@ bass check this out
Iraqis in Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I ll quote from Wikipedia :
ReligionEdit
The majority of refugees are Sunni Muslims accounting for 60 percent of the Iraqi community in Jordan while, 18 percent are Shia Muslims, and 15 percent are Christian.[15] Most Iraqis residing in Amman, originally come from war torn Baghdad.[15] The majority of the Iraqis who fled to Jordan are the wealthy and well educated, but only 22 per cent of Iraqi adults work legally.[15]
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I agree with you, most of the victims by far are the good decent Muslims who do not agree with the radicals. let me go further, it was the majority of moderate Muslims in Iraq that let Christians and others live in piece, basically they protected the minorities. believe it or not Sadam was one of the Christian protectors, not because he cared, but was more political, in other words he didn't care either way as long as he was getting the upper hand. we also had Muslim friends in Iraq that could not stand Islam, and jokingly mocked and cussed at profit Muhammad, some wanted to convert to Christianity but were afraid of getting killed.
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Looking back at my statement and also understanding that the media lies and distorts information. I have never served in our armed forces, nor fought and lived in the Middle East.
You hear of women and children being killed in the Middle East by American troops and the usual reasons are that the soldiers could not tell if they were terrorist or not. You also hear stories about troops that will go into town to speak with members of the town and have conversations with people who end up being terrorist themselves.
I'm just curious, is there any truth to those statements? Does our military know who are terrorist and who are ordinary civilians? I'm amusing most terrorist groups wear some sort of symbol and patch representing their organization.
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That's all because to much politics involved. If we let the generals and commanders take care of 'll the war stuff; with guidelines of course, then it would go more smoothly, efficiently and quicker.
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In my opinion, the need for some to constantly say "not all muslims are bad" is a tired saying. No sane person thinks all muslims are bad any more than anyone thinks all white people are bad despite the existence of the KKK. The issue people like myself have is the progressive's refusal to call muslim terrorism muslim terrorism. There is a large problem in the muslim community and the only way it stands a chance at being corrected is admitting the root of the problem. And it does not help the situation when the non-violent muslims refuse to stand against their radical counterparts. Fine, some do but as a whole the muslim society is silent.
Another thing that is extremely annoying are those that feel the need to say other religious bodies have committed horrific acts of violence throughout history. Great, thank you captain obvious, but that's not the issue. The issue is what's happening now. Christians, Jews, Hindus or enter the name of any other religious group you can think of, those groups are not going around killing people in droves in the name of god. Why it's a problem for so many to acknowledge this simple reality makes absolutely no sense.
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Do u realize that many middle eastern countries are in direct war with ISIS ?
What are we supposed to do beside supporting the war against those and putting our guys on the line of fire?
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Syria fights ISIS because a tyrant doesn't want to lose his dictatorship role.
Turkey, largely muslim, has pretty much sat on the sidelines. Sure, they have spoken out against ISIS but words are hollow.
Iraq - that one I'll give you fully.
Iran, will fight if it has to but only because it wishes to be the true big bad wolf.
The rest of the middle-eastern governments, I don't see how they're helping or hurting, more or less just existing like Turkey.
Pakistan - all terrorist welcome
But the bigger issue is not countries/governments, it's the muslim people's lack of fighting against the terrorist. They allow safe-haven, often financial support, media outlets, etc. Sure, they may not be actively killing anyone but that's the only difference.
And the even larger issue, the one already stated yet continuously ignored - muslim terrorist are the ones causing havoc all over the world, not christian terrorist, not hindu or buddhist terrorist, not any other religious group. I think a lot of people would be more sympathetic to the muslim and middle-eastern plight if the people themselves would simply acknowledge both verbally and with action this problem. I know I would be far more sympathetic if that were the case.
And I have to somewhat LOL at all the media comments in this thread. Yes, various media outlets are biased one way or another...I'm sure bias exist in midd-easter media outlets too. But the core problem doesn't require any bias. If a man walks into a building screaming "praise to Allah" while he kills everyone he can, that's a pretty easy call and takes no media involvement to understand.
Lastly, the oil/money comments, I wish people would give this a rest. These comments are usually nothing more than what someone has read from some internet blog and normally come from blogs where people read them because they like the writers opinion. The U.S. does not desire instability in the middle-east. The U.S. did not go to the middle-east for oil in Iraq or Afghanistan and anyone who thinks that is an outright idiot.
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Unfortunately a lot of people in America outside of major cities don't have dealings with Muslims. I live in NYC. I have a decent amount of Muslim friends. I hear the stories and they are just as disgusted with the extremist. Before I lived in NYC when 9-11 happened I made the nuke/parking lot comment. I was young and had never really been around anyone outside of Irish/Itailian Catholics. So its easy to get sucked into that thinking especially when the media is all about muslim terrorists.
Where do you stand on the application of Sharia Law in countries outside the middle east?
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I think that believes/religion is something personal between you and god.. And no one should be forced to follow what u believe in , to each his own..
And to make me answer complete, I believe in this , outside the Middle East and inside..
Lots of folks here in the Middle East , think the same way.. And I mean by lots = majority
The good thing is that in some places in the world ,and for some people , religion is the last thing you look at when you chose a friend or help a person..
I volunteered to aid refugees in my country , and I was honored to help lots of non Muslims, Muslims or any one in need..
I m a person who can go in a fight with another person if I see him beating a dog., what about a human being?
As u saw here earlier in the thread , someone said he was ready to shot me for a bmw , even though , I didn't do him any harm, so the question to such sick person , how much does it cost to make you shot your own father or mother? May be a Ferrari?
What's the difference between that guy and those radicals?? They do it for stupid ideas , he ll do it for the bmw?
Human life is too precious to be evaluated for money.. I think like this , and I ll never change the way I think.
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Well said.
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they are silent because its their faith! to stand up means they have to condemn the quran!
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Wow, there are some really mind boggling comments in here. It is easy to let yourself get wrapped up in the media frenzy that instigates the hatred towards all muslims as if they are all terrorists. If you can honestly say drop a nuke on the middle east, or have it drop of the face of the earth, than you are no better than the radicals that are terrorizing the rest of the planet. As long as the media keeps the tension high on both sides, this will never get better. I am all for fining the terrorists and killing every last one of those motherfukers, but enough innocent people have died, and a lot of it has to do with greed, not just religion.
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nukes should only be used when we are threatened by nukes! the problem with terrorist they are everywhere! hard to target!
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So many of the muslims just seem like there in the year 1000. its 2015 now people should be more civilized. And weak immigration polices are the devil. If you wont to immigrate to a different country people should forget your past and adapt/integrate to the host nation that had welcomed you. Renouncing ones past and a blood oath to the host nation should be a requirment for citizenship tests.
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I agree 100%. What happened in Paris yesterday is just as much France's fault as it is the men who did it. The French have all but begged for it.
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Yup. Strong consertive governments are needed
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Well, progressive governments sure aren't working, but plenty will still never be able to see it or accept it. Too many live in the magical world of make believe. And as far as conservative governments, personally I don't care what they are as long as they use common sense, which seems to be the primary factor missing in the world today.
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And it's the muslim's that are radicals?
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take a listen to this, it may shed some light!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s
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so, whats happening now? where are we up to with this? Have the caught the masked men yet? Or?
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One surrendered. ....now mass man hunt turning cites upside down searching for other 2.
Other 2 have been on US no fly and terror list for years.
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Suspects now in hostage situation now....
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