1st Cycle and HRT

[bethdoth]

I think I am going to stop this cycle. My tendonitis is so bad that I can't hardly lift and i still have blood in my semen. I still have two vials that will last and I can try this again at a later date. My goal to cut and I can still achieve that with diet and HIIT, but may loose some muscle. I hate to be a quitter but no use in having tren in my veins if I can't lift.

[corestorm]

Sorry to hear that rhoag, have you spoken to a Dr ?

[bethdoth]

Yes for the tendonitis, No for the blood. I would like to give the tren about a week to clear my system and see if it clears up if not I will be going to the doc.

[corestorm]

Yes for the tendonitis, No for the blood. I would like to give the tren about a week to clear my system and see if it clears up if not I will be going to the doc.

Fair enough man, tren is nasty shit! I ran tren ace 1ml ed for 5 months straight, years back like a ****ing idiot. I paid for it big time, i've had friends die drop dead, because of tren. people wind up in prison over the tren rage, all sorts of nasty ass stuff. I hate tren... anyways I really hope the urine gets under control if it gets any worse, i'd really recommend going to a Dr you should really be careful, blood in urine is never a good thing, and could be something completely different from the tren use.

P.S is that you in the picture ? You got a solid frame man, that test is going to turn you into shrek!

[bethdoth]

Thanks for the compliment. I kept my tren dose and test low on purpose for a first cycle. The blood is in my semen and not urine (that I can see). But yes I have friends that think tren is candy and one of them is paying the price now with liver and kidney issues.

[corestorm]

Thanks for the compliment. I kept my tren dose and test low on purpose for a first cycle. The blood is in my semen and not urine (that I can see). But yes I have friends that think tren is candy and one of them is paying the price now with liver and kidney issues.

It is candy, but it's like anything else, tren is extremely powerful and will **** you up, some can handle the sides. most cant, my best advice would be to cut the tren and speak to a Dr sooner than later, these forums can be misleading, you need to realize that allot of these people are young, they might be big dudes, with allot of cycle experience, but have little to no knowledge of medicine - the human body, 90% of the people that comment on these posts dont have a highschool education unfortunately. most are willing to inject almost anything just to put on a LB or 2 we live in a fast food generation of humanity, everything needs to be right now

you should look into EQ I swear bye the stuff also you're a little bit older, and i'm sure you could get pharm HGH with 0 problems, HGH in my opinion and a good TRT = the fountain of youth, i've seen some TRT adds on this site, i'm sure if you followed a couple links they have, or even called the company they would have medical staff on site, that would give you tremendous knowledge and would know better than most that will reply to this.

Anyways man, good luck again with your cycle!

one last thing, have you tried googling blood in sperm ? It honestly might be related to something else, i've never even heard of that before... I'll do a little research my self, and see if i can't at-least give you a small idea of what's going on, but again keep in mind, i'm just your average juicer with a solid build and a construction job, so this is just my opinion based on personal experience, and what i've heard.

[corestorm]

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...aculation.html

There is this, it could be from the test and not the tren..

[kelkel]

It is candy, but it's like anything else, tren is extremely powerful and will **** you up, some can handle the sides. most cant, my best advice would be to cut the tren and speak to a Dr sooner than later, these forums can be misleading, you need to realize that allot of these people are young, they might be big dudes, with allot of cycle experience, but have little to no knowledge of medicine - the human body, 90% of the people that comment on these posts dont have a highschool education unfortunately. most are willing to inject almost anything just to put on a LB or 2 we live in a fast food generation of humanity, everything needs to be right now

Agree - speak to a doctor

Agree - forums can be misleading. It's why we always recommend to self-educate and to speak to doctors. That said, forums can be very educational and enlightening as well since so many doctors simply don't know hormones. Some here may actually know hormones better than many doctors.

Disagree - 90% of people here don't have a high school education? Where the hell did you pull that stat from?

Agree - Far to many run cycles much larger than their level of development should require. Patience is not the younger generations best virtue.

[corestorm]

Disagree - 90% of people here don't have a high school education? Where the hell did you pull that stat from?

I don't have one, so i just assume no one does. haha

And yes, these forums have an insane amount of knowledge, steroid.com is one of the best body resources on the planet, hands down. All i'm saying is just be weary when it comes to health.

P.S what are you feeding your back, that's insane...

[bethdoth]

My .02 cents is that most on here probably have at a minimum a high school diploma if not more.... roids are expensive and a job saying welcome to walmart probably would not support this habit.

Ok have an appointment wed the 15th. I read what threads there were pertaining to blood in semen and most didn't follow up with what was the cause. Only one guy said it just went away on it's own. I will follow up and let ya know what the doc finds. Personally I think it is an infection or testicle atrophy. In 3 years of HRT I have used HCG but when I didn't never felt any change or pain. I didn't think tren would cause this effect but I do feel there has been some shrinkage since I started this cycle.

[bethdoth]

Still blood in semen, have an appointment with my doc tomorrow. I hope this doesn't screw up my HRT. Have not injected tren in 6 days. Funny thing is I had no typical sides when I was, but last night I woke up with sweat just flowing off me. I am also angry since I am unable to lift right now because of the tendonitis in my arm and my son is pissing me off.
I also have an appointment today with a blood specialist just to get a docs order so I can get therapeutic phlebotomy's, since I can't give blood (exposed to Hep B when I was in the Navy)

[bethdoth]

Went to the Doc today. This is the GP that prescribes my test so i did not tell her about tren. She looked at my list of supplements and stuff I take and said stop taking the 2 baby asprin and see if it goes away. Then sent me to the lab to pee in a bottle. I don't think I will try tren again. For a 54 yr old guy that just wants to be muscular and lean to look good I think the effects on MY body are not worth it. This blood issue and and some other things I have noticed like my Blood Pressure being 150/101 today (never been more than like 130/90). After sitting for 10 minutes and thinking happy thoughts it did come down to the 130/90 but still high. I will do one more follow up once the blood clears...which I hope is soon. Any thoughts on maybe the 5mg daily of Calais could be causing the blood?

[bethdoth]

I don't know if I trust this Doc. I take 2 baby aspirin daily. She feels that may be causing the blood. She did test my urine and there was a trace of blood in my urine along with abnormal white blood cells. That makes me think infection.

[bethdoth]

I don't know if anyone is still following this but it may help someone that searches for blood in semen when it happens to them. Went to a different Dov (VA Clinic) He did urine again and did a new PSA. My PSA has always been .4, I had a PSA 32 days ago and it was .5.... today 1.2. Also when they actually directed me to catch the urine mid stream there was no blood in my urine today. So he says I have prostatitis! 30 days of antibiotics.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I don't know if anyone is still following this but it may help someone that searches for blood in semen when it happens to them. Went to a different Dov (VA Clinic) He did urine again and did a new PSA. My PSA has always been .4, I had a PSA 32 days ago and it was .5.... today 1.2. Also when they actually directed me to catch the urine mid stream there was no blood in my urine today. So he says I have prostatitis! 30 days of antibiotics.

Good luck with it.
If you decide to blast again I would stick to just straight test. Nothing better IMHO.

[hawk14dl]

Good to know rhoag.

Best of luck in recovery

[ngtmarpete]

I think I am going to stop this cycle. My tendonitis is so bad that I can't hardly lift and i still have blood in my semen. I still have two vials that will last and I can try this again at a later date. My goal to cut and I can still achieve that with diet and HIIT, but may loose some muscle. I hate to be a quitter but no use in having tren in my veins if I can't lift.

If you do decide to run the Tren in the future, hsve you considered adding 100mg of Deca Durabolin per week for the tendonitis? My elbow and shoulder are in love with Deca lol.

[tectime]

^^^^^ I don't know about double 19 nors when tren did the number on him it did. Good to hear it's just an infection. Right though about the fine quality of deca. Love it ! Love it!

[hawk14dl]

Rhoag, do you feel like the tren was responsible for your problems? Or do you think it was just impeccable timing?

[lovbyts]

If you google prostatitis you will see it's actually pretty common so it could easily just be a coincidence.

[bethdoth]

Well, since I work in electronics and I always say " what was the last thing you messed with? That is probably what caused your problem." I feel the same way about this. My PSA has been .4 and .5 for the past 3 years and I have never had any issues with my prostate. Then I kept my test at HRT levels and added 250mg tren a week and caber. So I would say one of them caused the issue. I also don't feel that the antibiotics are necessary. If you goggle tren and prostatitis you will see a lot of guys get an enlarged prostate or have simuliar problems. Apparently some of us are prone to this others aren't.

My last tren injection was Thursday the 9th, the blood in my semen cleared up about 2 days ago, so about 10 days after. I will continue to take the antibiotics just in-case and get my PSA re-checked in a month. I am also going to give a pint of blood Thursday to try and further bring everything back to normal (pre-tren). I had really wanted this to be that magic pill but, hasn't worked out that way for me. Should have listened to Kelkel!!!

I can see how the results of tren (minus any bad side effects) could get addicting. I was really just starting to see the changes just before I stopped. I have a friend that has been off cycle for about 6 months now because his liver enzymes are way out of wack and the doctors are trying to get him right. I told him I would never put tren in my veins again and will just do a test blast next time. He can't wait to get his liver working again so he can do another cycle... just crazy if you ask me.

[almostgone]

If you google prostatitis you will see it's actually pretty common so it could easily just be a coincidence.

Too common. Absolutely maddening to deal with.

[lovbyts]

Well, since I work in electronics and I always say " what was the last thing you messed with? That is probably what caused your problem." I feel the same way about this. My PSA has been .4 and .5 for the past 3 years and I have never had any issues with my prostate. Then I kept my test at HRT levels and added 250mg tren a week and caber. So I would say one of them caused the issue. I also don't feel that the antibiotics are necessary. If you goggle tren and prostatitis you will see a lot of guys get an enlarged prostate or have simuliar problems. Apparently some of us are prone to this others aren't.

My last tren injection was Thursday the 9th, the blood in my semen cleared up about 2 days ago, so about 10 days after. I will continue to take the antibiotics just in-case and get my PSA re-checked in a month. I am also going to give a pint of blood Thursday to try and further bring everything back to normal (pre-tren). I had really wanted this to be that magic pill but, hasn't worked out that way for me. Should have listened to Kelkel!!!

I can see how the results of tren (minus any bad side effects) could get addicting. I was really just starting to see the changes just before I stopped. I have a friend that has been off cycle for about 6 months now because his liver enzymes are way out of wack and the doctors are trying to get him right. I told him I would never put tren in my veins again and will just do a test blast next time. He can't wait to get his liver working again so he can do another cycle... just crazy if you ask me.

I can definitely understand your logic, I'm in the IT field so the same rule applies. Simple way to find out is if it shows up again when you are not using tren. Either way hopefully you dont have any more trouble and tren may not be in your future.

[bethdoth]

Lovbyts,
Tren won't be in my future. I am getting older so it is getting harder to do this the hard way. Like I said I was trying to hit the ol Staples easy button. Didn't work for me works for others. I can achieve my goals with hard work and a test blast. Once everything stabilizes again I will just increase my test and change my workout a bit. Truly if I could keep every ounce of muscle I have and just get back to 12% BF I would be happy.
Getting better everyday. Less urinating testicle full again (thanks HCG) everything is getting better. I will give it a little longer then get labs.

[lovbyts]

Lovbyts,
Tren won't be in my future. I am getting older so it is getting harder to do this the hard way. Like I said I was trying to hit the ol Staples easy button. Didn't work for me works for others. I can achieve my goals with hard work and a test blast. Once everything stabilizes again I will just increase my test and change my workout a bit. Truly if I could keep every ounce of muscle I have and just get back to 12% BF I would be happy.
Getting better everyday. Less urinating testicle full again (thanks HCG) everything is getting better. I will give it a little longer then get labs.

Yeah I know and hear you buddy, I'm right there with you. Things just arent quite as easy including recovery like they use to be.

[bethdoth]

Feeling pretty good everything appears to be back to normal, but won't know till I do labs. Did my therapeutic phlebotomy yesterday 1 pint of blood. I plan to wait 1 week then do labs to check psa, test, rbc, etc etc .... to see where I am at. Once everything is stable again then I will do a test only cycle and even that will only be about 250mg a week test cyp to bring my total test to about 1400. I know 200mg a week brings me to 1100.

[bethdoth]

I ran my course on the antibotics while maintaining my HRT dose of test at 70mg e 3.5 subq. Gave blood and did labs. Everything was back to normal (psa .5, total test 750, e2 26). So I still had 2 vials of tren, a bunch of caber, liquid stane, and T3. I thought I would give it one last try just to see if it was a coincidence or maybe I should use tren the way it was designed to be used...IM vise subq. I am into my 4th week at 50mg EOD IM, test at 80mg e 3.5, stane 12.5 mg ed, caber .25 e 3.5 days and HGC 250iu's twice a week (the 2 days before test).
What a difference. The PIP with IM is way less. I also have found that subq tren doesn't absorb like test (maybe because of the oils?) Tren leaves a lump for a week.... test maybe 2 hours (at low doses of .5ml on a syringe). So this time no major sides, minor night sweats is about it. This is the first I have told anyone that I was trying this again. The other day my son-in-law, whom I lift with, asked if I tried it again. He said you look way thicker and your bench is way up. I had to tell him. I felt pretty good at almost 54 years young benching 315 4 times and that was after already doing 4 sets working up to that weight.
So I will run this out to the end of week 8 and then drop back to HRT again and give blood a week after I stop (my blood gets thrown out). Maybe in the fall I will blast test and then spring run tren again.
Just felt I needed to to this update because maybe my problem was caused by doing tren subq or just a coincidence? But, I feel great right now! bigger, stronger and leaner.

[NACH3]

I ran my course on the antibotics while maintaining my HRT dose of test at 70mg e 3.5 subq. Gave blood and did labs. Everything was back to normal (psa .5, total test 750, e2 26). So I still had 2 vials of tren, a bunch of caber, liquid stane, and T3. I thought I would give it one last try just to see if it was a coincidence or maybe I should use tren the way it was designed to be used...IM vise subq. I am into my 4th week at 50mg EOD IM, test at 80mg e 3.5, stane 12.5 mg ed, caber .25 e 3.5 days.
What a difference. The PIP with IM is way less. I also have found that subq tren doesn't absorb like test (maybe because of the oils?) Tren leaves a lump for a week.... test maybe 2 hours (at low doses of .5ml on a syringe). So this time no major sides, minor night sweats is about it. This is the first I have told anyone that I was trying this again. The other day my son-in-law, whom I lift with, asked if I tried it again. He said you look way thicker and your bench is way up. I had to tell him. I felt pretty good at almost 54 years young benching 315 4 times and that was after already doing 4 sets working up to that weight.
So I will run this out to the end of week 8 and then drop back to HRT again and give blood a week after I stop (my blood gets thrown out). Maybe in the fall I will blast test and then spring run tren again.
Just felt I needed to to this update because maybe my problem was caused by doing tren subq or just a coincidence? But, I feel great right now! bigger, stronger and leaner.

Looking great Rhoag, that's some very nice weight to be pushing(I'm assuming you were pyramiding up to your heavy lift)??i used to do pyramiding(still do on occasion - but w/HIT it's not needed) Butt i used ti like warming up then reverse pyramid - got me passed some plateaus b4 ever hitting the juice - and I was doing 320 in HS)...

Someone your age and living this lifestyle don't have to explain sh!t to no one - your doing awesome and to just see guys in their 40+'doing this is simply awesome! I sure hope/wish my shoulder holds up long enough

GL w/the cycle - IM all the way

[Joco71]

Interesting thread Rhoag!! You should just keep it a running log.

[bethdoth]

Nach3 Thanks! I will have to update my pic..shoulders, chest and back are way better now. Living in Wi with cold winters and lots of Packer games...equals beer and brats, most of my friends and acquaintances are 30-200 pounds over weight. I don't hide the HRT and a few say I would never look like I do if I wasn't doing roids (as they call it). But I have been working out since I was 14 years old playing hockey and boxing..then it continued through a 21 year Navy career. I will say it helps a lot, but I tell them I will let you do my test for 6 months and you continue your current lifestyle ... you will be fatter. Yes I was pyramiding up. I normally pyramiding up then do drop sets on the way back down.
Joco I felt it was important that I update this because it could be miss leading to some guy a year from now that does a search for blood in seaman. I will keep this going with results. Thanks.

[bethdoth]

Into my 6th week now. Still running same low dosage on everything. Libido is fine, minor night sweats, minor irritability at time, strength way up, tennis elbow seems to be in recession for now, I feel great and have been getting comments about how I look bigger and thicker. It is strange because at times I get irritated easy but others times I feel more at peace and calm. I wonder if the calm is dopamine? I did buy a BP monitor and have been checking my BP frequently. I am running a bit high, with an average of 137/82 pulse of 76, taken normally during my work day. If I sit calm long enough I can get it down to about 130/72 pulse 70. Thought I would give an update that all is well on this 2nd attempt to run tren.

[NACH3]

Great to hear Rhoag! Keeping it mild seems to be working keep smashin!

[bethdoth]

Just got back from 7 days of camping in a field for a country music festival. Diet and workout so so at best. I did continue my tren for the week. I plan 2 more weeks then done ... so I need to hit it hard. When it's 82 degrees and sunny I don't wear a shirt. i got a bit tired of guys asking me how old I am and what I do to stay in shape.

[bethdoth]

Almost done with this cycle and it couldn't come soon enough. Physically I feel great and look better than I have in years. But, I am angry and have a black cloud over my head. Anyway, in the past few weeks I have not been able to shake this bad mood I am in. Work has sucked because of a new boss, but mainly I am pissed because my sex drive is off the chart and I am obsessing over a certain aspect of our sex life. Well, the wife just ain't having anything to do with it. I am lucky to get it 3 times a week when I need it 3 times a day.
Pics from last week 54 years and 1 day old. Don't know what I will do after this cycle to keep moving forward.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

You look better at 54 then most at 24.
(And you look better than I do at 44.)

If you are getting it 3 times a week consider yourself lucky.

I don't know any married men getting it that frequently. (Except for the internet where everyone is 10% bodyfat, benches 405, and gets laid most everyday.)

[bethdoth]

TDD Thanks for the compliment. About 2 years ago I forced my wife into an experiment. She was tasked to highlight the date on the calendar everytime we had sex. If we had sex twice that night 2 squares, just a BJ just the date got highlighted. At the end of the month we would look at the calendar...it was pathetic to say the least. What was happening to us was, we would get home from work do whatever, then you sit down to relax, watch her favorite show or even any dumb show. We would watch TV till 10 or 11 then go to bed. Most of the time I would be snoring in my chair or laying on the couch with her before 9:30. Go to bed and go to sleep. So I forced change...sex in the morning, as soon as she comes through the door from work, and dumb things like "well you have watched this criminal minds episode 35 times lets go to bed and have sex.

[Mr.BB]

Sorry for missing this thread. I could have told you blood in semen is from prostate from the 1st post.

Agreed, you looking good pal!!

[bethdoth]

Thanks BB. I wonder if the first attempt and blood in the seaman was caused by doing it subq vise inter-muscular? My experience has been that IM works way better and less PIP.

[bethdoth]

They say when you set a goal it should be realistic yet challenging. I wonder if my goal is realistic given my age and lifestyle. My goal is to get as close to this build as possible. I think this guy looks great. After this cycle I will try to cut BF. Don't know if I can ever get that lean with chiseled Abs.

[Mr.BB]

No. Too much andogens and/or estrogens are the probable culprit.