Continual Growth - Advanced AAS protocols

[guitarzan]

yes exactly, at the end of this cycle utilize phase 3 and phase 4. you may want to extend phase 3 and 4 to being 3 weeks each instead of just 2 weeks each because of how long you were on this cycle.

in regards to the Winny.. yes it can be utilized at the tail end of this cycle and going into phase 3. the last two weeks of this current cycle you would drop your test dosage down a bit, perhaps utilize an AI (not sure what your current AI protocol is), and then add in 50mg of Winny per day for 2 weeks.. then come off the cycle completely but keep running the Winny at 50mg for two more weeks.
This will help with your anti cortisol and anti estrogen phases to help you prepare for your next cycle.

for you, being you've been on for awhile.. the 'androgen re-sensitiziation' aspect is going to be an essential part of phase 4 as well (you may actually want to begin phase 4 at the same time as phase 3 to get a longer run)..
This is where you'll want to run about 5ml per day of Synthetine , as well as around 60mcg of Clen combined with 150mcg of T4 (big BONUS here, not only will these things all in synergy help re-sensitize androgen receptors, but they will help you keep your gains AND help burn body fat and aide you in your recomp goals). Add in a GHRP (or MK677) like Hexarelin, and you'll get additional growth factors and lipolytic effects.

so, even your 4-6 week 'cruise phase' and being off of cycle, you will still make substantial body comp changes to reach your goals, all while re-sensitizing your body to prepare for its next cycle.. its a 'win win '
thats how "continued growth" cycles work

That's exactly what I wanted to hear...lol
I like the idea of the fat loss benefits of the cruise phase, makes me think running it six weeks anyway, even one I start the six week blast. Keep doing six weeks on, six weeks off, as long as I'm still in recomp mode.

[tarmyg]

GH,

Does it really need to be this complicated for people to continue to grow? I am asking because I do not know. I am just happy that my sport of choice does not involve this complicated type of AAS cycling :-)

For anyone trying this, I saw guitarzan is, I would love to hear results.

[guitarzan]

GH,

Does it really need to be this complicated for people to continue to grow? I am asking because I do not know. I am just happy that my sport of choice does not involve this complicated type of AAS cycling :-)

For anyone trying this, I saw guitarzan is, I would love to hear results.

It will probably be first of next year before I try it, I've got about six weeks left on current cut/recomp cycle. Plus I'm the kind that likes to all the gear before starting, I've gotta find a source for a couple of the compounds.

[Capebuffalo]

It will probably be first of next year before I try it, I've got about six weeks left on current cut/recomp cycle. Plus I'm the kind that likes to all the gear before starting, I've gotta find a source for a couple of the compounds.

Let me know when you find a source for the Cytadren

[guitarzan]

Let me know when you find a source for the Cytadren

Will do, looking

[charger69]

Let me know when you find a source for the Cytadren

Me also please.


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[GearHeaded]

Let me know when you find a source for the Cytadren

just a hint guys.. you'll probably have better luck looking for " Aminoglutethimide " (which is the actual chemical name for Cytadren).
BUT its super pricey guys . like I said in another post , you can use the combination of "winstrol and letro" and have a somewhat similar effect (but a totally diff mechanism of action)

[Capebuffalo]

just a hint guys.. you'll probably have better luck looking for " Aminoglutethimide " (which is the actual chemical name for Cytadren).
BUT its super pricey guys . like I said in another post , you can use the combination of "winstrol and letro" and have a somewhat similar effect (but a totally diff mechanism of action)

Looks to be about $5.20 per 250 mg tab. So about $150 for the 14 day supply. But I can only find 100 tab minimum.

Tarzan you buy the 100 and I’ll buy 30 from you.

[tarmyg]

just a hint guys.. you'll probably have better luck looking for " Aminoglutethimide " (which is the actual chemical name for Cytadren).
BUT its super pricey guys . like I said in another post , you can use the combination of "winstrol and letro" and have a somewhat similar effect (but a totally diff mechanism of action)

GH,

The first thing I did was Google Cytadren because I had never heard of it. The Wikipedia page on it is fairly decent but I, obviously, only have surface knowledge thus far. I did notice that it is only legal in three countries due to toxicity and that some alternatives were proposed. None of these seems to be sold here in India so I can not give you a price comparison. A lot of words for a simple question :-)

Are the alternatives proposed as good as Cytadren itself for this specific purpose taking the toxicity of Cytadren into consideration?

[Chrisp83TRT]

just a hint guys.. you'll probably have better luck looking for " Aminoglutethimide " (which is the actual chemical name for Cytadren).
BUT its super pricey guys . like I said in another post , you can use the combination of "winstrol and letro" and have a somewhat similar effect (but a totally diff mechanism of action)

GH , just want to thank you for being selfish and providing us with tons of amazing info on all this.
I'm in my 30's and definitely appreciate a good read ( yes physical books ) haha and even with that being said , I'm still learning more and more everyday from you so

Thanks brother , it's very appreciated.

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[GearHeaded]

GH,

Does it really need to be this complicated for people to continue to grow? I am asking because I do not know. I am just happy that my sport of choice does not involve this complicated type of AAS cycling :-)

For anyone trying this, I saw guitarzan is, I would love to hear results.

Tarmyg, thanks for joining in. your comments are always beneficial.

I will just say that the 'complicated' nature of protocols laid forth in this thread were not made up or invented by me.. sure I've done lots of research and put lots of things together and chatted with guys about some of these types of protocols. BUT I cannot take credit for them as my idea (I have my own ideas and twists on things for certain reasons).

A lot of these methods have been around for 25+ years. 'Gurus' from the 90s that helped put guys on the Olympia stage have written about these methods (and they were used at the highest levels).
My point is, these type of protocols have been tried and true, proven and worked, and been around a long time. so they are really not as 'complicated' as they appear on the surface , but they are definitely advanced (again practiced at the highest level .. and perhaps most of us don't need to dabble with these type of protocols, but at the same time why not have the knowledge available to us and ability to utilize if we so chose).

driving a Toyota prius around a race track is probably not all that complicated, and perhaps may be enough to satisfy our adrenaline. But , properly learning how to implement all the advanced protocols of driving a formula 1 car, learning all the ends and outs over time and lots of study, AND then getting to drive the formula 1 race car on the race track is probably a whole different experience.

so its just about options and choices

[guitarzan]

Hey gh, since I'm hoping to benefit from the fat burning potential in phase 3 and 4, can I run the t3 and clen during both phases? I like to run clen for six weeks, taking benadryl, and plan to run those phases 3 weeks each. And would not using slin be critical, however I'm thinking about trying it. My hypoglycemia has been under control since diet got on track

[GearHeaded]

Hey gh, since I'm hoping to benefit from the fat burning potential in phase 3 and 4, can I run the t3 and clen during both phases? I like to run clen for six weeks, taking benadryl, and plan to run those phases 3 weeks each.

yes you could run T3 during this phase. my original example has T4 being ran in the cruise phase at I believe 150mcg per day with Clen. The reason I have T4 here with the Clen, is that together these compounds are both going to aide in fat burning, but are also anti-catabolic, possibly anabolic, and help re-sensitize androgen receptors . I do NOT have T3 in here as a stand alone as for some people it can be a bit catabolic.
But , you can add T3 on top of the Clen and T4 as well. you'll increase metabolic rate, feed efficiency, partitioning, etc.. and when running them all together, 'according to bro science', any un-coverted T4 has anabolic properties. so its not going to hurt running them all together.

on the other hand.. maybe you could use your explosives license and buy some of that stuff that starts with a 'D' and ends with a "P" they used to make explosives and pesticides out of

And would not using slin be critical, however I'm thinking about trying it. My hypoglycemia has been under control since diet got on track

insulin would add a beneficial synergistic effect to everything I mentioned and benefit phases 3 and 4 quite a bit . even has protective benefits when using the 'yellow stuff' I mentioned.
But I would try to add a GH protocol to this as well to some extent, even if we are just talking a peptide like Hexarelin or GHRP6 or MK677.

[guitarzan]

yes you could run T3 during this phase. my original example has T4 being ran in the cruise phase at I believe 150mcg per day with Clen. The reason I have T4 here with the Clen, is that together these compounds are both going to aide in fat burning, but are also anti-catabolic, possibly anabolic, and help re-sensitize androgen receptors . I do NOT have T3 in here as a stand alone as for some people it can be a bit catabolic.
But , you can add T3 on top of the Clen and T4 as well. you'll increase metabolic rate, feed efficiency, partitioning, etc.. and when running them all together, 'according to bro science', any un-coverted T4 has anabolic properties. so its not going to hurt running them all together.

on the other hand.. maybe you could use your explosives license and buy some of that stuff that starts with a 'D' and ends with a "P" they used to make explosives and pesticides out of




insulin would add a beneficial synergistic effect to everything I mentioned and benefit phases 3 and 4 quite a bit . even has protective benefits when using the 'yellow stuff' I mentioned.
But I would try to add a GH protocol to this as well to some extent, even if we are just talking a peptide like Hexarelin or GHRP6 or MK677.

Ha, just had a inspection from the guys that go by 3 letters. Sorry I keep trying to modify this, but I'm really excited about the potential for this to be a kick butt recomp plan. 6 weeks putting on muscle, 6 weeks burning fat. A year of that should equal total transformation!

[guitarzan]

Also, if I go the winny and letro route, how much letro? I'm thinking I will, as I holding on to gains is not extremely important to me right now, or gonna lose much anyway...

[GearHeaded]

Also, if I go the winny and letro route, how much letro? I'm thinking I will, as I holding on to gains is not extremely important to me right now, or gonna lose much anyway...

its hard to give exact AI dosages , as we all aromatize differently , and what you were running on cycle leading up to your cruise phase may be different or changing as well depending on context and compounds ran.

but a base starting point . 50mg Winstrol a day , with 1.5 mg Letrozole EOD. for 14-21 days

[Bobik]

Heloo GH and thnx for answer,

"alternatives Winny + Letro" - it's possible change Letro ? I think different AI Exemestane or Arimidex?

[guitarzan]

Just ordered gh, slin, letro, t4 and synthetine. Whew, that was more than my house payment. Already got everything else. Gonna add t3 and mk677 to the proposed phase 3 and 4, and run both for three weeks. I'm gonna run the clen, t3 and t4 the whole 6 weeks. I will stop current cycle and start this as soon as the goodies arrive, hopefully no more than couple weeks.

[charger69]

Just ordered gh, slin, letro, t4 and synthetine. Whew, that was more than my house payment. Already got everything else. Gonna add t3 and mk677 to the proposed phase 3 and 4, and run both for three weeks. I'm gonna run the clen, t3 and t4 the whole 6 weeks. I will stop current cycle and start this as soon as the goodies arrive, hopefully no more than couple weeks.

Tarzan- you be careful with the T3 and T4.
We want you around !!!!


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[guitarzan]

Tarzan- you be careful with the T3 and T4.
We want you around !!!!


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I'm not having high resting hr anymore, I think I had a bottle of t3 that was extremely overdosed. 50 mcg's was putting rested hr at 120!

[GearHeaded]

I'm not having high resting hr anymore, I think I had a bottle of t3 that was extremely overdosed. 50 mcg's was putting rested hr at 120!

may want to have Atenolol around just in case , or just simply take it anyways as a 'heart protective' insurance policy . Atenolol dropped my BP and resting heart rate quite a bit. actually feel better taking it so I just take it year round on or off cycle . super cheap too

[guitarzan]

may want to have Atenolol around just in case , or just simply take it anyways as a 'heart protective' insurance policy . Atenolol dropped my BP and resting heart rate quite a bit. actually feel better taking it so I just take it year round on or off cycle . super cheap too

I had wondered bout taking a beta blocker, my only concern would be I naturally have low BP. Last time I checked it was 107/59, and that's on tren! It normally runs 112/65, give or take a few

[GearHeaded]

a man with a plan right there !!

[guitarzan]

a man with a plan right there !!

I plan to do phase 1 and 2 just like you proposed. I'm not palm reader, or psychic, but I predict growth in my future!

[GearHeaded]

and keep in mind guys theres always something to learn from guys we interact with here .. it was Obs when I first joined here that got me to start running Atenolol. now I've added that into plenty of protocols cause of his help originally

[Obs]

and keep in mind guys theres always something to learn from guys we interact with here .. it was Obs when I first joined here that got me to start running Atenolol. now I've added that into plenty of protocols cause of his help originally

You acted on a suggestion from Obs?
I got ED for two months last time I listened to that moron!

[guitarzan]

Hey gear, I read that synthetine needs a insulin spike to be effective, so I'm assuming that timing will be necessary for it and the slin? If so, how do you reccomend to take it

[GearHeaded]

Hey gear, I read that synthetine needs a insulin spike to be effective, so I'm assuming that timing will be necessary for it and the slin? If so, how do you reccomend to take it

I've come across this as well but I'm pretty sure its only in relation to the L-carnitines accumulation in muscle tissue (ie, the ability to store more and more L carnitine). but just for androgen receptor building, and its ability to promote lipolysis and have mitochondria use fat for fuel, I do not believe that insulin is essential for these aspects of it.

I'll look into this further though..

if insulin helps Synthetines fat burning properties. then it would actually work perfectly with my fat burning protocols , which I've laid out on these forums quite often.

first thing in the morning fasted before starting fasted cardio
- 500mcg HGH-Frag
- 10mg yohimble
- 3iu of insulin

then simply add your 4ML of Synthetine to this protocol and inject at the same time before the fasted cardio .


BUT again I'll look into this further

[guitarzan]

I've come across this as well but I'm pretty sure its only in relation to the L-carnitines accumulation in muscle tissue (ie, the ability to store more and more L carnitine). but just for androgen receptor building, and its ability to promote lipolysis and have mitochondria use fat for fuel, I do not believe that insulin is essential for these aspects of it.

I'll look into this further though..

if insulin helps Synthetines fat burning properties. then it would actually work perfectly with my fat burning protocols , which I've laid out on these forums quite often.

first thing in the morning fasted before starting fasted cardio
- 500mcg HGH-Frag
- 10mg yohimble
- 3iu of insulin

then simply add your 4ML of Synthetine to this protocol and inject at the same time before the fasted cardio .


BUT again I'll look into this further

Thanks man

[Slacker78]

Nice Gearheaded ! A question: is there an equivalent for women ? My girlfriend is performing a 8 weeks cycle and i wondering if it could be a good cruising protocol i could administer to her. It would be helpful some good tips it about for women

[IPBodybuilding]

I read all the posts on this forum but I am hesitant to try either of the examples since I am still fairly new to AAS. I was on TRT for a year and a half before I tried a blast phase for 11 weeks of 600mg test e weekly and started 50 mg anavar daily after week 3. I want to try this phase cycling so I can get the best result while maintaining as much of my gains and not feel like dogshit after coming off cycle, at least not until the 18 months is up. I've had experience with this stuff for almost 2 years now and am willing to try phase cycling. Is there a phase cycling protocol that a beginner can try?

[HoldMyBeer]

I read all the posts on this forum but I am hesitant to try either of the examples since I am still fairly new to AAS. I was on TRT for a year and a half before I tried a blast phase for 11 weeks of 600mg test e weekly and started 50 mg anavar daily after week 3. I want to try this phase cycling so I can get the best result while maintaining as much of my gains and not feel like dogshit after coming off cycle, at least not until the 18 months is up. I've had experience with this stuff for almost 2 years now and am willing to try phase cycling. Is there a phase cycling protocol that a beginner can try?

You felt like shit because you took an oral for 8 weeks
Although anavar is less toxic than other oral (apparently because it's breakdown is separated between the kidneys and liver, instead of just the liver. Unconfirmed though), it's still toxic.
Phase cycling has nothing to do with keeping gains, that all has to do with what you do when your cycle ends (diet, training, pct, etc)
Keep it simple, you will see the exact same results

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[Family_guy]

You felt like shit because you took an oral for 8 weeks
Although anavar is less toxic than other oral (apparently because it's breakdown is separated between the kidneys and liver, instead of just the liver. Unconfirmed though), it's still toxic.
Phase cycling has nothing to do with keeping gains, that all has to do with what you do when your cycle ends (diet, training, pct, etc)
Keep it simple, you will see the exact same results

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You really think taking anavar for 8 weeks is the cause? It may be but I have a very hard time believing that man.

I just read a study about Anadrol. Guys were given 50mg/ or 100mg/ day and they measured all the usual Health markers specifically testing its ability to increase red blood cell count. This study was 12 weeks I believe. They reported that liver enzymes increased for both groups but literally the day after they stopped the drol their enzymes were in range again!!

Maybe I can find it if someone’s interested

[HoldMyBeer]

You really think taking anavar for 8 weeks is the cause? It may be but I have a very hard time believing that man.

I just read a study about Anadrol. Guys were given 50mg/ or 100mg/ day and they measured all the usual Health markers specifically testing its ability to increase red blood cell count. This study was 12 weeks I believe. They reported that liver enzymes increased for both groups but literally the day after they stopped the drol their enzymes were in range again!!

Maybe I can find it if someone’s interested

No need, I believe you
But I think it also depends on liver health, how long it had been since your last cycle, and a lot of other factors.
I have a bad habbit of projecting my own experience on other people's situations. And in my experience, taking anavar for 8 weeks would make me feel like shit. But I have abused the fuck out of my liver in the past, soooo.......

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[Slacker78]

No need, I believe you
But I think it also depends on liver health, how long it had been since your last cycle, and a lot of other factors.
I have a bad habbit of projecting my own experience on other people's situations. And in my experience, taking anavar for 8 weeks would make me feel like shit. But I have abused the fuck out of my liver in the past, soooo.......

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I have took Dbol for 6 months 10-20mg/EOD as pre-pump before my training sessions; sometimes i take it to give me a little boost but in a discontinuos way; the same i did with Var. Of course it depends of dosages and time. My liver enzymes are slightly higher than normal, but just AST; but i think it's related to several factors, because it's not only liver-specific, like ALT for example.

[Family_guy]

No need, I believe you
But I think it also depends on liver health, how long it had been since your last cycle, and a lot of other factors.
I have a bad habbit of projecting my own experience on other people's situations. And in my experience, taking anavar for 8 weeks would make me feel like shit. But I have abused the fuck out of my liver in the past, soooo.......

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I feel ya. I think we all do that to some degree.
I agree with you on there being many other factors also

[GearHeaded]

I just read a study about Anadrol. Guys were given 50mg/ or 100mg/ day and they measured all the usual Health markers specifically testing its ability to increase red blood cell count. This study was 12 weeks I believe. They reported that liver enzymes increased for both groups but literally the day after they stopped the drol their enzymes were in range again!!

Maybe I can find it if someone’s interested

liver toxicity due to oral AAS usage is highly genetic... I think for a lot of people its actually quite over blown (supplement companies want you thinking your liver is in danger from AAS so they can keep selling you liver support sups).

fact is , most negative steroid effects you read about in the profiles are genetic factors. Dbol causes gyno ,, ummm no, not for me. but for guys that are genetically pre disposed to gyno that negative side effect is a reality. Masteron causes hair loss , ummm no, not unless your genetically pre disposed to that. bad cholesterol , nope thats genetic too.
same with liver toxicity.

some guys run VAR (which is not that liver toxic) and end up with elevated enzymes ,, while at the same time Var is prescribed at low dose in the medical community to treat alcoholic liver disease. seems like a contradiction right. in some cases it can help heal the liver (VAR has regenerative properties to it) but to guys with genetically sensitive livers it can be a problem.


so just keep that in mind when reading steroid profiles and the negative side effects. none of those side effects are a guarantee unless your genetically pre disposed to them (same goes with some of the positive attributes .. your not guaranteed to put on 20 pounds of muscle from 2 grams of gear, you could be a genetic non responder to AAS).

[GearHeaded]

I've had experience with this stuff for almost 2 years now and am willing to try phase cycling. Is there a phase cycling protocol that a beginner can try?

depends on your goals.. but heres a very basic example of phase cycling for a bulk

Phase 1 - Estrogen phase (Retention phase -- goal here is to purposely retain water and increase blood volume)
Weeks 1-5
Test 750mg
Deca 500mg
Dbol 50mg per day
NO AI

Phase 2 - Anabolic phase (goal here is just tissue building, nothing more).. estrogen and androgens are on the low side.
Weeks 6-10
Test 250mg
Deca 500mg
EQ 600mg
Var 50mg per day

Phase 3 - Androgen phase (goal here is to use androgens to fill out muscle and new tissue being built)
weeks 11-15
Test 250mg
EQ 600mg
Tren 350mg
Masteron 600mg


Phase 4 - cruise and maintain (off all androgens to resensitize and reset health markers)
weeks 16-21
Test 125mg
Primo 300mg
HGH 4iu per day
Insulin 20iu per day
T4 75mcg per day
Clen 40mcg per day


^ thats just a basic example .. things can be switched around. for example, sometimes for a dramatic growth phase I will combine an estrogen phase with an androgen phase. the combo of high androgens and high estrogens can put size on fairly quickly (whereas the above phase cycle is more of a slow steady approach).
sometimes at the end, person dependent, we may have an anti estrogen phase, or an anti cortisol phase (or a combo of both).

really goal and person dependent for setting up the phases and the compounds to be rotated in.. you also have to keep in mind the synergy between compounds and the distinct nature of each individual compound and what it does.. example, it would be silly to put Masteron into a stack with your estrogen or retention phase, because mast works as both an anti estrogen and anti retentive compound.

[Slacker78]

depends on your goals.. but heres a very basic example of phase cycling for a bulk

Phase 1 - Estrogen phase (Retention phase -- goal here is to purposely retain water and increase blood volume)
Weeks 1-5
Test 750mg
Deca 500mg
Dbol 50mg per day
NO AI

Phase 2 - Anabolic phase (goal here is just tissue building, nothing more).. estrogen and androgens are on the low side.
Weeks 6-10
Test 250mg
Deca 500mg
EQ 600mg
Var 50mg per day

Phase 3 - Androgen phase (goal here is to use androgens to fill out muscle and new tissue being built)
weeks 11-15
Test 250mg
EQ 600mg
Tren 350mg
Masteron 600mg


Phase 4 - cruise and maintain (off all androgens to resensitize and reset health markers)
weeks 16-21
Test 125mg
Primo 300mg
HGH 4iu per day
Insulin 20iu per day
T4 75mcg per day
Clen 40mcg per day


^ thats just a basic example .. things can be switched around. for example, sometimes for a dramatic growth phase I will combine an estrogen phase with an androgen phase. the combo of high androgens and high estrogens can put size on fairly quickly (whereas the above phase cycle is more of a slow steady approach).
sometimes at the end, person dependent, we may have an anti estrogen phase, or an anti cortisol phase (or a combo of both).

really goal and person dependent for setting up the phases and the compounds to be rotated in.. you also have to keep in mind the synergy between compounds and the distinct nature of each individual compound and what it does.. example, it would be silly to put Masteron into a stack with your estrogen or retention phase, because mast works as both an anti estrogen and anti retentive compound.

GH, in the first phase ( i tried something of similar ) which is oriented to load estrogens to build a strong anabolic environment, i've noticed my abdominal disappear at all and there's an increasing of abdominal fat in low belly side and the hips; i do not seem a body-builder neither in this phase; yes, i'm full, but very opaque and full of water everywhere; is this a condition should i ( and everyone ) accept to build gains ?

[GearHeaded]

GH, in the first phase ( i tried something of similar ) which is oriented to load estrogens to build a strong anabolic environment, i've noticed my abdominal disappear at all and there's an increasing of abdominal fat in low belly side and the hips; i do not seem a body-builder neither in this phase; yes, i'm full, but very opaque and full of water everywhere; is this a condition should i ( and everyone ) accept to build gains ?

ok so water retention is going to be beneficial for growth and putting on size.. see my thread here-
https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...pensation.html

BUT if your spilling over too much in an estrogen phase, like sounds like happened to you here, then one solution is to increase your androgen load. The androgen will help 'balance' out some of that water retention yet still allow your blood serum levels of estrogen to be elevated.
so lets say your running 300mg of Ment per week for your estrogen base but your spilling over, you can add in like 400mg of Mast or 10mg a day of Halo to provide more androgen load to the cycle.
the other thing you can do is run low dose Nolva. this will blunt some of the estrogenic fat accumulation and spill over while still allowing for elevated serum levels of E