Doing well, now lets keep going

[Obs]

You’ve got it. You just aren’t hitting the pose right. You can’t activate lats at the same time. This is a contraction not a spread.
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Might be a big part of it then. I have a hard time doing a lat spread without weight in my hands as it is

[Obs]

if I purposely flex my traps, they seem to really rise up my neck with a lot of height (I attribute that to years of doing Haney Shrugs). but now I'm in a position where I'm trying to get them to grow down my back rather then 'up' my neck.

think I need to get a hammer strength high to low row in my gym. I'm stuck just doing it with cables and can't really go all that heavy .

Also I do close grip light weight URR to my teeth.
When the bar gets up top I squeeze my shoulders to the rear and it lights them up.

[GearHeaded]

You’ve got it. You just aren’t hitting the pose right. You can’t activate lats at the same time. This is a contraction not a spread.
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I need about 5 pounds of more meat back there. I look/get narrow when I try that pose

[Capebuffalo]

Might be a big part of it then. I have a hard time doing a lat spread without weight in my hands as it is

Lat spread is practice. A lot of practice. I still can’t hit one for shit. Roll your shoulders up and forward. Hands on waist pushing in elbows forward and lean back a little. Judges are below you not even with you.

[GearHeaded]

Also I do close grip light weight URR to my teeth.
When the bar gets up top I squeeze my shoulders to the rear and it lights them up.

yeah I think implementing a lot more close grip URRs is a good idea for me. least you can go moderately heavy with that .. a lot of this 'angle' shit I've been trying its hard to go heavy and get a good over load

[Capebuffalo]

I need about 5 pounds of more meat back there. I look/get narrow when I try that pose

No need to look wide there. You are usually going into a rear double bicep pose from that. It’s to show thickness.
You look good. We all could use 5 more lbs of muscle. Lol

[charger69]

if I purposely flex my traps, they seem to really rise up my neck with a lot of height (I attribute that to years of doing Haney Shrugs). but now I'm in a position where I'm trying to get them to grow down my back rather then 'up' my neck.

think I need to get a hammer strength high to low row in my gym. I'm stuck just doing it with cables and can't really go all that heavy .

GH- the traps are made from high, mid and low . Explain where I am confused....
Most people only train the high ones. The mid and lower traps are difficult to train.
My understanding is that the mid traps are exercised by hanging like doing a chin up, but instead it is like a chest up.... you hang and pull your chest up and squeeze the mid back.
The lower traps are exercised by doing an incline back extension except you do not pivot at the hips. Move the pad so it is under the hips and you roll down and unroll back up.
These are the only two exercises that I know that isolate the mid and lower traps .

I put myself out there, now I’m probably going to get a whooping.


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[Capebuffalo]

I need about 5 pounds of more meat back there. I look/get narrow when I try that pose

From wrist to elbow bring them parallel to the floor then pull the elbows back and flex like hell. You can change arm position to activate up and down the back.

[Capebuffalo]

GH- the traps are made from high, mid and low . Explain where I am confused....
Most people only train the high ones. The mid and lower traps are difficult to train.
My understanding is that the mid traps are exercised by hanging like doing a chin up, but instead it is like a chest up.... you hang and pull your chest up and squeeze the mid back.
The lower traps are exercised by doing an incline back extension except you do not pivot at the hips. Move the pad so it is under the hips and you roll down and unroll back up.
These are the only two exercises that I know that isolate the mid and lower traps .

I put myself out there, now I’m probably going to get a whooping.


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Technically you are getting into the rhymboid and lat at that point.

[Obs]

yeah I think implementing a lot more close grip URRs is a good idea for me. least you can go moderately heavy with that .. a lot of this 'angle' shit I've been trying its hard to go heavy and get a good over load

Its easy for me to trash a shoulder with them.
I did a warm up and every row movement on the planet the other day. When I started into heavy URR My left shoulder got loose as shit. I had to put it down and redo a rotator cuff warmup before I could continue. I dont go over 110lb now.

[charger69]

Lat spread is practice. A lot of practice. I still can’t hit one for shit. Roll your shoulders up and forward. Hands on waist pushing in elbows forward and lean back a little. Judges are below you not even with you.

Lean back only if doing a rear lay spread. I was leaning back from the front and you are actually making them less visible to the judges.
Also , puff out the chest like a rooster.
Torque the elbows forward from the delts. You will get a great spread.


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[Capebuffalo]

Lean back only if doing a rear lay spread. I was leaning back from the front and you are actually making them less visible to the judges.
Also , puff out the chest like a rooster.
Torque the elbows forward from the delts. You will get a great spread.


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I’ve tried and tried. I can get a half ass one. I just need to practice more. I forget the bodybuilder but he would hit a lat spread in 4 sections. Each time it got a little wider until he looked like he had wings. It was amazing.

[charger69]

I’ve tried and tried. I can get a half ass one. I just need to practice more. I forget the bodybuilder but he would hit a lat spread in 4 sections. Each time it got a little wider until he looked like he had wings. It was amazing.

I hear ya. I have a pretty good rear lat pose, but my front is not as good as it should be. Improved a bunch when I started leaning forward.


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[charger69]

Technically you are getting into the rhymboid and lat at that point.

Not really, you pinch your back in 1/2 to activate them. At least the Charger version. LOL

I am beginning to get into how the muscles are attached and activating them. The trap muscles are at an angle. Is doing pulley shrugs( arms at about 30-45 angle) better than a straight up and down shrug??


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[Capebuffalo]

Let me clarify my statement you can’t activate traps on a lat spread. Apparently that is jus me. But look at these fucking animals.

[Capebuffalo]

Not really, you pinch your back in 1/2 to activate them. At least the Charger version. LOL

I am beginning to get into how the muscles are attached and activating them. The trap muscles are at an angle. Is doing pulley shrugs( arms at about 30-45 angle) better than a straight up and down shrug??


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Not sure. Everyone responds different to the same movement to some degree. I’m old school. Chin to chest. Pull shoulders to ears. Straight arms.

[BG]

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I am starting to get nice lines in my traps at the lower condescendings.

If only I knew how to pose worth a shit...

Well done Ob's.

looking thick . . do you do any exercises specifically for your lower traps ? I been trying to get my lower traps to pop and hit them from various angles. but not having the best of luck. upper traps are ok, but I want them lower traps to come in.

my front traps look ok
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back side my traps disappear though
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Bent over flys, sitting on the edge of a bench, go heavy and they will grow.

[Charlie67]

for those that didn't know, Condescending of course means to talk down to people....

Well done, lol.

[charger69]

Not a good pic. I do not have my paparazzi lately.

You can see that I am turning into a werewolf by the hair on my lower back. LOL



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[Capebuffalo]

Not a good pic. I do not have my paparazzi lately.

You can see that I am turning into a werewolf by the hair on my lower back. LOL



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Show off

[Obs]

Looking great and huge charger. You look 30

Werewolf my ass. You been in cali too long sir

[Couchlockd]

At 12:01 I'll be over the hill guys.

I want just 1 thing, 300 seconds of full administrator power.

[Couchlockd]

I've even told my family that when they asked me what I want

"What I want, you can't get me, or even understand. I want admin power on AR"

[charger69]

Looking great and huge charger. You look 30

Werewolf my ass. You been in cali too long sir

Why thank you!!! See Cape- I’m actually young!
I am still after your traps... I will get there.

The last football game I officiated, one of the coaches said I was the biggest ref he has ever seen. I took the compliment, but this was probably his first year. LOL
I also was running down the sidelines behind the runner and one kid was blocked into me. I kept running but he went down. After the touchdown he was still on the ground. I was scared shitless that I hurt the poor kid. He got up and was OK.
On another game, I did get taken out with two other players, but I landed on top so I declared victory. LOL
I was fine, but the other refs didn’t think I was getting up.


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[charger69]

At 12:01 I'll be over the hill guys.

I want just 1 thing, 300 seconds of full administrator power.

Come on Cape- how much damage could he do in 300 seconds??
Oh wait- forget it. I want to be able to post tomorrow.


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[almostgone]

The search function is all but broke. Lotsa shit that used to work as search keywords dont work.

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...about-dnp.html

Maybe post#6?

[almostgone]

Here's a copy and paste.

its interesting , the two most dangerous drugs in bodybuilding go very well stacked together , DNP with Insulin

DNP makes you more insulin sensitive , BUT it also stops your body from producing insulin (I'll explain below), so its a catch 22 really. But if you take insulin with DNP then you get the best of both worlds. You get to burn body fat, utilize a shit ton of carbs without being able to put on more body fat, and build muscle .

If exogenous insulin and high amounts of carbs make you fat, then just add DNP. If DNP makes you flat and have high blood sugars cause your body is no longer able to produce insulin from it , then just add insulin. If your worried about losing muscle on a cut with DNP, just add insulin. With insulin present you'll still be able to uptake glucose, amino acids, and other nutrients into muscle cells (that anabolism) , its just that your cell will no longer be able to use that glucose as energy , but you still get the anabolic effect . Running DNP without insulin and you won''t get that effect.
so to a certain degree they are synergistic together.

DNP essentially turns you temporarily into a type 1 diabetic (not able to produce insulin from the pancreas). thats why adding insulin is beneficial when using it. I'll explain

Insulin is released by pancreatic beta cells in response to elevated ATP/ADP ratios . Briefly, when your blood sugar levels rise, your ATP/ADP levels become elevated, inhibiting ATP sensitive potassium ion channels (KATP), altering the membrane potential of the pancreatic cells and causing insulin release. The main thing here is that insulin will not be released unless ATP levels within the cells increase. DNP interferes with the protein complex ATP synthase, which allows for the synthesis of ATP from ADP . Since DNP interferes with a key step in ATP production, obviously ATP levels never elevate within any cell, including pancreatic beta cells. Hence , the feedback system through the KATP channels (at least in regards to insulin release), is disabled, and you effectively make yourself a diabetic while on DNP.

The primary action of insulin in the body is to drive glucose into muscle and liver cells (stored as glycogen) which is converted into ATP. Since DNP reduces ATP production significantly*, it again interferes with insulin production by preventing a significant amount of the glucose that is pushed into cells by insulin from ever being used as energy (at least by the cell). So , what is happening to all of this energy that is being expended through the electron transport chain to turn ADP and Pi into ATP? ItÂ’s thrown off as heat, and lots of it . thats the main side effect of DNP, as well as the cause of death if you over dose (over heating from the inside)

*DNP is an uncoupling agent. Stopping ATP is what its designed to do. Fat oxidation becomes the bodies source of energy, and why DNP burns body fat so well

[HoldMyBeer]

Sil isn’t posting as much so it should get better.

lol, not sil either. Now that I pointed it out, youll see a post and be like, "ooooh, now I know who it is"

[Charlie67]

Not a good pic. I do not have my paparazzi lately.

You can see that I am turning into a werewolf by the hair on my lower back. LOL



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Damn fine work Charger!

[charger69]

Here's a copy and paste.

How did you find this??


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[Proximal]

GH- the traps are made from high, mid and low . Explain where I am confused....
Most people only train the high ones. The mid and lower traps are difficult to train.
My understanding is that the mid traps are exercised by hanging like doing a chin up, but instead it is like a chest up.... you hang and pull your chest up and squeeze the mid back.
The lower traps are exercised by doing an incline back extension except you do not pivot at the hips. Move the pad so it is under the hips and you roll down and unroll back up.
These are the only two exercises that I know that isolate the mid and lower traps .

I put myself out there, now I’m probably going to get a whooping.


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Mid traps are involved when you squeeze the scapula together. Depending upon how you row or do pull downs for that matter will depend upon how well you activate them. You can also get a good degree of lower trap activation with pull downs. I prefer a wider grip, lighter weight, taking the biceps out of it as much as possible, then leading with the elbows & thinking scapula the whole time.

Try doing a rear fly type motion used for rear Delts, but instead of doing them little finger up, do them knuckles up.

Lower traps depress the scapula (pulls them down). Try a dip machine (anti-gravity or seated) in which you can use lower weight, keep your body completely straight & keep your hands positioned just behind your shoulders. Keep your pecs out of it as much as possible& lower/squeeze your scapula along with tightening your triceps. The form really needs to be pure though so you can focus on what your scapula are doing.

Hope this wasn’t condescending lol.

[Obs]

Mid traps are involved when you squeeze the scapula together. Depending upon how you row or do pull downs for that matter will depend upon how well you activate them. You can also get a good degree of lower trap activation with pull downs. I prefer a wider grip, lighter weight, taking the biceps out of it as much as possible, then leading with the elbows & thinking scapula the whole time.

Try doing a rear fly type motion used for rear Delts, but instead of doing them little finger up, do them knuckles up.

Lower traps depress the scapula (pulls them down). Try a dip machine (anti-gravity or seated) in which you can use lower weight, keep your body completely straight & keep your hands positioned just behind your shoulders. Keep your pecs out of it as much as possible& lower/squeeze your scapula along with tightening your triceps. The form really needs to be pure though so you can focus on what your scapula are doing.

Hope this wasn’t condescending lol.

Its working the condescending parts of the traps.

[HoldMyBeer]

Here's a copy and paste.

Thank you

[Obs]

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...about-dnp.html

Maybe post#6?

Search function has been screwy as hell the past few months thx

[Proximal]

Its working the condescending parts of the traps.

Oh THAT is good! BTW, one hell of a pic. That needs to be an album cover I think.

[almostgone]

How did you find this??


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Search function has been screwy as hell the past few months thx

Well, I came home from work, stacked up the latest batch of trespasser corpses, decided I wanted to save the virgin sacrifices for later, and Googled "steroid.com DNP Gear headed".

[charger69]

Well, I came home from work, stacked up the latest batch of trespasser corpses, decided I wanted to save the virgin sacrifices for later, and Googled "steroid.com DNP Gear headed".

Fuck, never thought of that. I feel silly!


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[Obs]

Well, I came home from work, stacked up the latest batch of trespasser corpses, decided I wanted to save the virgin sacrifices for later, and Googled "steroid.com DNP Gear headed".

Aha!
You googled it!
Traitor! I was using the site search function

[Obs]

Fuck, never thought of that. I feel silly!


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You are silly.

[Capebuffalo]

Well, I came home from work, stacked up the latest batch of trespasser corpses, decided I wanted to save the virgin sacrifices for later, and Googled "steroid.com DNP Gear headed".

Cheater.