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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    It doesnt do any added good to exceed dosages in huge amounts.
    Shooting a gram or two of sust in one sitting will ballon you up and make you nice and full but if you hold the dosage and do that constantly it wont put on anything extra over a gram a week.

    Juice is only one part of the equation. Your muscles can only grow so fast.
    this is true. this is also why I like 'mega dosing' mainly with long esters . those super high dosages are actually going to be in your system over a longer duration of time and give your body more of a chance to acclimate and grow, over mega dosing a short ester that is in and out fo the system..

    but something I'm looking into. and still have a lot of learning to do on . is the idea of "over dosing' AAS to yield and adaptation response from the body.. the idea is basically taking in more AAS then you can utilize, and the body then responds to this 'over dose' by rapidly generating more and more androgen receptors.
    not going to go into it too much right now as I still have a lot to look into on this subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    this is true. this is also why I like 'mega dosing' mainly with long esters . those super high dosages are actually going to be in your system over a longer duration of time and give your body more of a chance to acclimate and grow, over mega dosing a short ester that is in and out fo the system..

    but something I'm looking into. and still have a lot of learning to do on . is the idea of "over dosing' AAS to yield and adaptation response from the body.. the idea is basically taking in more AAS then you can utilize, and the body then responds to this 'over dose' by rapidly generating more and more androgen receptors.
    not going to go into it too much right now as I still have a lot to look into on this subject.
    Cool! Someone will be cut up like Frankenstein to count the receptors. LOL
    Obs will volunteer!


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    its like training. you can't do high intensity, high volume and high frequency all at the same time all year . you'll kill yourself. . you have to pick one and run the hell out of it and make your body adapt and change then give it a break.
    you can't run a gram of Tren all year.. but a short burst for a few weeks of very high dosage may yield and adaptive response from the body..

    you get in , hit it hard, then get the fuk out

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    for those that didn't have the time to read the other thread where I explain the concept of why you would run a long ester drug at a very high dosage but for a short amount of time-- heres a quick conclusion.

    example EQ-
    say you were going to run 10,000mg of EQ . well instead of running 10,000mg over 20 weeks, which is 500mg per week. you could run 1500mg of EQ per week but for only 7 weeks.
    now why would you want to do this?
    Well , so you could utilize that 10,000mg total of EQ in a short time and hurry up and get to your next compound of say Deca at 1000mg for 10 weeks . now you've done both EQ and Deca at high dosages, in a shorter amount of time then you would have by only doing low dose of EQ over a long 20 week cycle.
    you get a lot more done basically . cause YES your body will utilize these long esters, every single mg you inject. wither its 10,000mg over 20 weeks or 10,000mg over 7 weeks. I'd rather get it done in the 7 weeks so I can keep growing and move on to the next compound.
    this is part of the idea of 'compound rotation' in phase cycling .

    note -- of course this can be taken to the extreme and guys say 'well why not just inject all 10,000mg in one day' .. um come on , I'm sill being reasonable here
    That is similar to frontloading. I understood that you prefer short esthers to frontloading. I probably misunderstood.


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    ATTENTION CASUAL READERS OF THIS THREAD

    my dosages of AAS may appear high to you. please don't take this at a surface level and think that you too should run those dosages..
    the way that I use AAS is much different then what you'll see a lot of guys doing.
    IF I'm running a gram of Deca per week, I'm not running it for 14 weeks like a traditional deca cycle may be. I'm just blasting it at a higher dosage for a shorter amount of time as part of a phase of my cycle in its compound rotation.
    so in reality, in the big picture, I may be running less over all Deca then it appears on the surface compared to traditional 12-16 week cycles.

    just want you casual observers to keep that in mind

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    so I'm not going log daily on here with everything I eat, train, etc every single day. . I'll do that on occasions. its mainly the 'overall' things that I'm doing that I'll log here.

    occasionally I'll log a basic day- so today was an 'off day'

    Food (non training day, no post workout meal, no intra workout meal, low carb low insulin day)

    Meal 1 - 40g protein 20g carbs
    Meal 2 - 90g protein 50g carbs 20g fat
    Meal 3 - 50g protein + veggies
    intra cardio - 20g amino acids
    Meal 4 - 15g protein 100g carbs 30g fat
    Meal 5 - 60g protein 50g carbs 10g fat
    protein 255, carbs 220, fats 60

    workout (day off)
    = 1 hour of cardio

    yes I'm bulking , but I'm not going to put on unnecessary body fat. so low carb low calorie days with some cardio mixed in is still implemented here and there. IF I stop growing, then I'll stop the cardio and up the food. but as long as I'm slowly gaining, I'll try to gain lean.

    drugs today (spot injected each lat)
    300mg Deca
    100mg NPP
    200mg Mast e
    100mg Mast p
    10iu insulin upon waking
    10mg Dbol upon waking
    25mg MK
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    Update -
    decided I want to run something completely new at the end of this current cycle.
    all the hype is pointed at DHB right now , but I'm thinking of going with Stenbolone Acetate . which is basically a cross between DHB, Primo, and Anardrol.
    thinking 100mg EOD to start. I'll have it put in at the end of the cycle where I run it basically solo so I can get a good feel for it.
    I had planned on running Superdrol at the end of this cycle, but the Stenbolone is not liver toxic and is a bit cleaner of a compound. which may be a good idea after I been running Dbol, then tren and winny.

    I'm open to any other suggestions as far as running a 'new' (ie, designer/exotic) compound though

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    Update -
    decided I want to run something completely new at the end of this current cycle.
    all the hype is pointed at DHB right now , but I'm thinking of going with Stenbolone Acetate . which is basically a cross between DHB, Primo, and Anardrol.
    thinking 100mg EOD to start. I'll have it put in at the end of the cycle where I run it basically solo so I can get a good feel for it.
    I had planned on running Superdrol at the end of this cycle, but the Stenbolone is not liver toxic and is a bit cleaner of a compound. which may be a good idea after I been running Dbol, then tren and winny.

    I'm open to any other suggestions as far as running a 'new' (ie, designer/exotic) compound though
    I want to try that bad. Only one source I know has it and thats yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    I want to try that bad. Only one source I know has it and thats yours.
    yeah and they are having a sale right now, so thats why I was thinking of pulling the trigger on it.

    I actually got on there today cause I was thinking of picking up some MENT (Trestalone) . but I was like forget that, why not try something new (I've ran MENT quite a few times) plus Ment is best used for my high estrogen phases (and I'm already done with that phase of this cycle). so Stenbolone seemed to fit the bill right where it needs in regards to timing with this current protocol

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    yeah and they are having a sale right now, so thats why I was thinking of pulling the trigger on it.

    I actually got on there today cause I was thinking of picking up some MENT (Trestalone) . but I was like forget that, why not try something new (I've ran MENT quite a few times) plus Ment is best used for my high estrogen phases (and I'm already done with that phase of this cycle). so Stenbolone seemed to fit the bill right where it needs in regards to timing with this current protocol
    I will never understand how one source can pull out a forgotten compound from thin air and be the only one that has it.

    I watched a sponsored log on it. The guy running it was damn sure competition material said it made him feel like superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    I will never understand how one source can pull out a forgotten compound from thin air and be the only one that has it.

    I watched a sponsored log on it. The guy running it was damn sure competition material said it made him feel like superman.
    yeah they were one of the early ones to bring MENT to the market as well (I was running it from another source prior to that, but there were only a couple labs carrying it back then). they've also carried things like Methyl Test and Superdrol for quite awhile and other labs never bothered with those either

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    This is the pre-workout AAS protocol I'm thinking I will be implementing in a week or so after my deload

    50mg Tren suspension
    50mg Test suspension
    25mg Winstrol
    25mg Anadrol
    10iu Slin

    ^ I have these all in injectable form. so it will be a 3cc shot pre workout

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    ^ I have these all in injectable form. so it will be a 3cc shot pre workout

    That will get old real fast, damn!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    That will get old real fast, damn!
    yes it will especially on top of my normal weekly AAS protocol. so will probably only be about a 3 week run of this pre-workout protocol.

    but I'm fairly comfortable with high volume and multiple spot site injecting .
    thats why over time I've hit multiple body parts like , inner bicep, outer bicep, mid pec, upper pec, all three delts, triceps, quads, glutes, and able to hit 3cc in each lat.
    gotta find somewhere to put all this damn oil

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    This is the pre-workout AAS protocol I'm thinking I will be implementing in a week or so after my deload

    50mg Tren suspension
    50mg Test suspension
    25mg Winstrol
    25mg Anadrol
    10iu Slin

    ^ I have these all in injectable form. so it will be a 3cc shot pre workout
    I thought that you were against injectable Winnie?


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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    I thought that you were against injectable Winnie?
    I'm not necessarily against it . it just has more chance of causing an infection being there is no preservative in water based winstol (more risk especially in a multi use vile compared to ampules). so its much safer to take it orally.

    UNLESS you have an oil based injectable Winstrol . which is what I have
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    This is the pre-workout AAS protocol
    50mg Tren suspension
    50mg Test suspension
    25mg Winstrol
    25mg Anadrol
    10iu Slin

    ^ I have these all in injectable form. so it will be a 3cc shot pre workout
    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    That will get old real fast, damn!
    ok so I found a 'blend' (which I'm normally not a big fan of , I like mixing things myself).

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    but using this as part of the pre workout plan should cut my oil volume down, as there is 25mg tren base, 50mg test base, 25mg Winstrol in just 1ml .

    so may implement this blend in rather then having to pin 3cc just as a pre workout

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    ok so I found a 'blend' (which I'm normally not a big fan of , I like mixing things myself).

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    but using this as part of the pre workout plan should cut my oil volume down, as there is 25mg tren base, 50mg test base, 25mg Winstrol in just 1ml .

    so may implement this blend in rather then having to pin 3cc just as a pre workout
    I have a silly question... the specific gravity has to be different so how do you get a homogeneous solution??



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    as a personal trainer I have a pretty good idea about exercise selection and how to hit muscle groups to try and get them to grow.
    however, I CANNOT get my own chest to grow worth a shit. its my weakest body part. it has no size and fullness at all.
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    I've tried plenty of different training techniques.

    so the next step possibly. I'm going to start injecting all my bases and suspensions (test suspension, tren suspension, winstrol) for preworkout strictly into my upper chest. I'm also thinking of using Hyaluronic acid to try and fill out the chest and help with some fullness/size.

    anyhow, what are your guys thoughts on running short ester gear and SEO into my upper chest to try and develop some fullness ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    as a personal trainer I have a pretty good idea about exercise selection and how to hit muscle groups to try and get them to grow.
    however, I CANNOT get my own chest to grow worth a shit. its my weakest body part. it has no size and fullness at all.
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    I've tried plenty of different training techniques.

    so the next step possibly. I'm going to start injecting all my bases and suspensions (test suspension, tren suspension, winstrol) for preworkout strictly into my upper chest. I'm also thinking of using Hyaluronic acid to try and fill out the chest and help with some fullness/size.

    anyhow, what are your guys thoughts on running short ester gear and SEO into my upper chest to try and develop some fullness ?
    I inject upper high straight above the nipple with short esters and get the least pain there but that may not be what you want and may want to move near insertion points on the inside.

    It seems most localized growth i get is in daily or eod pinning closer to insertions.
    Biceps seem to work best toward the top and bottom extremities anyway. No science, only observation and what I feel.
    Your chest looks great btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    as a personal trainer I have a pretty good idea about exercise selection and how to hit muscle groups to try and get them to grow.
    however, I CANNOT get my own chest to grow worth a shit. its my weakest body part. it has no size and fullness at all.
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    I've tried plenty of different training techniques.

    so the next step possibly. I'm going to start injecting all my bases and suspensions (test suspension, tren suspension, winstrol) for preworkout strictly into my upper chest. I'm also thinking of using Hyaluronic acid to try and fill out the chest and help with some fullness/size.

    anyhow, what are your guys thoughts on running short ester gear and SEO into my upper chest to try and develop some fullness ?
    First off, your chest looks great. If I were to see how to make it better, I would probably work it by itself. I am by no means at your level, but try the following:
    Incline press- bar to the bone at the bottom of the neck SUPERSET with incline flues
    Bench superset with pec dec
    Incline dB press- db’s touching ( it also works tris.) superset push up
    Pulley chest cross superset dips
    Try the reps 15,12,10,8 and increasing the weight. Pushups and dips should be hard enough and use reps to get the pump.


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    Dont you love how charger rubs it in?
    "I am by no means at your level..."

    "I am gonna have your traps soon obs"


    What a twat right?
    I swear to God he says something about getting my calves and I quit.

    "Oooooh I gonna have calves as big as yours in a few years obs..."

    Smartass!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    Dont you love how charger rubs it in?
    "I am by no means at your level..."

    "I am gonna have your traps soon obs"


    What a twat right?
    I swear to God he says something about getting my calves and I quit.

    "Oooooh I gonna have calves as big as yours in a few years obs..."

    Smartass!
    You need to show us your calves first. You do not understand ho thick your traps are.
    I am trying to make the ultimate BB.
    Obs traps, Sil’s wide back, Rads abs, and Kelkels legs. Still missing body parts that I will get.


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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    You need to show us your calves first. You do not understand ho thick your traps are.
    I am trying to make the ultimate BB.
    Obs traps, Sil’s wide back, Rads abs, and Kelkels legs. Still missing body parts that I will get.


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    My delts are my only good quality man.

    Rest of me is shit slung together on a weird shaped frame. You are way past me all around.

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    And you stay away from my poor little calves!

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    Ok i choose...

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    Her ass and puss

    And her tits

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    My pecker and tonight.

    Awww just either one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    as a personal trainer I have a pretty good idea about exercise selection and how to hit muscle groups to try and get them to grow.
    however, I CANNOT get my own chest to grow worth a shit. its my weakest body part. it has no size and fullness at all.
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    I've tried plenty of different training techniques.

    so the next step possibly. I'm going to start injecting all my bases and suspensions (test suspension, tren suspension, winstrol) for preworkout strictly into my upper chest. I'm also thinking of using Hyaluronic acid to try and fill out the chest and help with some fullness/size.

    anyhow, what are your guys thoughts on running short ester gear and SEO into my upper chest to try and develop some fullness ?
    I can't speak to pinning in the chest
    But a prayer press with a dumbbell helped me a lot w my chest development.
    Fat grips help since you're only using your palms to hold it up.
    A lot of people do it w plates. It's hard to get enough weight and ROM w those.
    Squeeze at the top, get a great contraction mid chest, hard to achieve w any other exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer View Post
    I can't speak to pinning in the chest
    But a prayer press with a dumbbell helped me a lot w my chest development.
    Fat grips help since you're only using your palms to hold it up.
    A lot of people do it w plates. It's hard to get enough weight and ROM w those.
    Squeeze at the top, get a great contraction mid chest, hard to achieve w any other exercise.

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    What is a prayer press? Incline dB press with dB touching?


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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    What is a prayer press? Incline dB press with dB touching?


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    Flat bench
    Using single dumbbell
    Pic of how to hold dumbbell attached (DB professionally represented by a dry erase marker)
    I like to keep elbows about 45° from body.
    Then your just press it off your chest and squeeze at the top, repeat

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoldMyBeer View Post
    I can't speak to pinning in the chest
    But a prayer press with a dumbbell helped me a lot w my chest development.
    Fat grips help since you're only using your palms to hold it up.
    A lot of people do it w plates. It's hard to get enough weight and ROM w those.
    Squeeze at the top, get a great contraction mid chest, hard to achieve w any other exercise.
    going to give these a try today . I have done something similar in the past but with using two dumbbells pressed together tight rather then a single dumbbell . the two dumbbells kinda make your chest have to contract the whole time just to keep the two dumbbells pressed together.
    but I'll give the dingle dumbbell a try as well.

    I'm open to any new exercises at this point. my shoulders always want to take over my chest exercises. not just front delts, even my rear delts end up getting more pumped and worked from a set of cable flies then my damn chest does. its weird. my shoulders will get so pumped up and painful I can barely finish a Chest workout.

    thats partially why I was thinking of trying hyaluronic acid in the pecs. its supposedly really helps facilitate a strong pump and muscle connection with the muscle you inject it in.

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    Btw gh you have an awesome v taper in your frame itself. You really are set up for this.
    You are already beefy as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    Btw gh you have an awesome v taper in your frame itself. You really are set up for this..
    I think my structure and small joints help. but think I need about 15+ pounds of more actual muscle on my frame (and thats just to maybe one day fit in the classic physique division is all)

    of course we are never ever big enough . I watched an interview with Roelly Winkler today on MD . he said he looks in the mirror and thinks he's too small . lol, he was the most muscled guy on the Olympia stage !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    I think my structure and small joints help. but think I need about 15+ pounds of more actual muscle on my frame (and thats just to maybe one day fit in the classic physique division is all)

    of course we are never ever big enough . I watched an interview with Roelly Winkler today on MD . he said he looks in the mirror and thinks he's too small . lol, he was the most muscled guy on the Olympia stage !!
    You got that right. The way to counteract the “not big enough”, is to evaluate yourself year after year. Try and make new “versions” of your physique. Go into the year with specific improvements.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    I think my structure and small joints help. but think I need about 15+ pounds of more actual muscle on my frame (and thats just to maybe one day fit in the classic physique division is all)

    of course we are never ever big enough . I watched an interview with Roelly Winkler today on MD . he said he looks in the mirror and thinks he's too small . lol, he was the most muscled guy on the Olympia stage !!
    Totally agree.
    Got no idea how he can wipe his ass

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    I am happy on the progress with my hams however I need wider quads. Open for advice.
    I am going to try and do leg exercises with a close stance thinking that maybe the sweep will help.


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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    I am happy on the progress with my hams however I need wider quads. Open for advice.
    I am going to try and do leg exercises with a close stance thinking that maybe the sweep will help.
    it seems like now days , if you compete in open bodybuilding , you can never have enough legs (unless your big Ramy). so Legs are something that can always use more size. where back in the day too big of legs was not aesthetic. so I'd say yeah, keep focusing on that outer sweep and getting more 'X' frame status

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    so it has been confirmed..

    Stenbolone will be ran at the very end of this current cycle. 500mg per week for 6 weeks.

    I may just consider that part of my 'cruise' if I run it solo
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    so it has been confirmed..

    Stenbolone will be ran at the very end of this current cycle. 500mg per week for 6 weeks
    Please note everything about your demeanor, lifts, etc.
    I want to know if it gives the explosive effect I was told or if it was just a rep pushing his brand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obs View Post
    Please note everything about your demeanor, lifts, etc.
    I want to know if it gives the explosive effect I was told or if it was just a rep pushing his brand.
    yeah will do . thats also why its probably best to run it solo, or at the most with a very light compound

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    yeah will do . thats also why its probably best to run it solo, or at the most with a very light compound
    Dude that ran it called it supertren.
    I hope he was right

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