Crashed e2 or fake primo???

[Bigbadwolf250]

So been doing 250 test 200 primo. Coming off my trt dose of 150mgs. I initially was taking an ai of aromasin 12.5 mgs a week due to I'm a high aromatiser until the primo kicked in. I noticed now though my bp really shot up. Usually around 120/70 although I am on Lisinopril 20 mgs prescribed by my Dr.

My BP has been 150/90 recently though. I do notice when I wake up my ankles do crack so was thinking possibly low e2? Would the primo spike my BP like that? Could I have possibly just got eq or something else and my primo is fake.

Away and unable to get bloods till a few weeks so wasn't sure what to do. Drop the primo completely? Cut it in half? Switch to mast? Or just go back to cruise dose?

[Cylon357]

So been doing 250 test 200 primo. Coming off my trt dose of 150mgs. I initially was taking an ai of aromasin 12.5 mgs a week due to I'm a high aromatiser until the primo kicked in. I noticed now though my bp really shot up. Usually around 120/70 although I am on Lisinopril 20 mgs prescribed by my Dr.

My BP has been 150/90 recently though. I do notice when I wake up my ankles do crack so was thinking possibly low e2? Would the primo spike my BP like that? Could I have possibly just got eq or something else and my primo is fake.

Away and unable to get bloods till a few weeks so wasn't sure what to do. Drop the primo completely? Cut it in half? Switch to mast? Or just go back to cruise dose?

You changed 3 things by my count.

1 raised test dose
2 added primo
3 dropped your ai

Without blood work, this makes it difficult to determine which, if any, of these things are at fault.

How long after you made the changes did you start seeing issues?

[Bigbadwolf250]

You changed 3 things by my count.

1 raised test dose
2 added primo
3 dropped your ai

Without blood work, this makes it difficult to determine which, if any, of these things are at fault.

How long after you made the changes did you start seeing issues?

Didn't drop ai but added ai. Don't use one on my trt. Hard to say I took BP before I started and it was perfect then took it starting last week and noticed it spiked

[Cylon357]

Didn't drop ai but added ai. Don't use one on my trt. Hard to say I took BP before I started and it was perfect then took it starting last week and noticed it spiked

I would suspect that you have in fact crashed your estrogen. Primo has ai abilities and the addition of a separate ai was likely too much.

You need to pull some blood work, particularly a CBC. Your hematocrit and / or RBC may be elevated due to the additional steroids at play.

[Bigbadwolf250]

I would suspect that you have in fact crashed your estrogen. Primo has ai abilities and the addition of a separate ai was likely too much.

You need to pull some blood work, particularly a CBC. Your hematocrit and / or RBC may be elevated due to the additional steroids at play.

Thanks man what would you suggest? Keep everything the same but just drop the ai obviously. Lower the primo dose? Drop the primo completely? Switch to mast?

Can't get bloods till 2 weeks due to me being away

[Honkey_Kong]

Thanks man what would you suggest? Keep everything the same but just drop the ai obviously. Lower the primo dose? Drop the primo completely? Switch to mast?

Can't get bloods till 2 weeks due to me being away

Why did you take the AI in the first place? Were you having sides? How long is this cycle for? How long have you been on this? And without bloodwork, it's going to be hard to see what is going on. Do you have mast on hand that you can switch to?

Maybe you should just go back to taking your TRT medicine and rethink this whole cycling thing? Your dosages of test and primo are both pretty low for a cycle.

And by the way having your BP in the 150/90 range isn't that bad. The systolic BP is only 150 and that isn't very high. Plus it's the diastolic BP that is really important and yours in in the 90s. running a little high on the BP for a few weeks isn't going to matter much in the grand scheme of things. You're not so high that I'd think you're at a super risk of having a stroke or heart attack in the short term and if your BP goes back to normal at the end of your cycle when you stop taking the gear, you don't really have to worry about long-term damage from it. And you are taking an ace inhibitor already.

If you're really concerned, maybe go see an urgent care and have them up your BP meds?

I do find it hard to believe that you can't get bloods done because you're "away." You can bring your gear and needles with you and you have a place to workout at, but you can't find a place to get blood drawn at?

[Cylon357]

Thanks man what would you suggest? Keep everything the same but just drop the ai obviously. Lower the primo dose? Drop the primo completely? Switch to mast?

Can't get bloods till 2 weeks due to me being away

I suggest getting blood work ASAP. If you are in the US, you can order your own blood work and probably have it drawn next day.

Drop the AI for sure. You are probably better off dropping down to trt dose until blood work comes back.

Have you ever used primo?

[Bigbadwolf250]

You changed 3 things by my count.

1 raised test dose
2 added primo
3 dropped your ai

Without blood work, this makes it difficult to determine which, if any, of these things are at fault.

How long after you made the changes did you start seeing issues?

Also was looking back on my labs before I started the blast and just on trt my hematocrit was 56.5! The highest it's ever been and really worried me. However a week before it was 51. And recently donated and last blood work a week ago showed 48. How could it be almost 57 and change that much. It was a different lab that did the testing. Same reference range though so no idea what happened.

Have been experiencing more headaches and dizziness and tires which are symptoms of high RBC. But not sure if it's just in my head.

[Cuz]

250mg of primo seems like a waste of time to me, but to each their own I guees. I advocate low dose cycling for health reasons but primo is a pretty much weak compound. I think starting at 400mg would be a better approach and keeping your testosterone at trt script levels 100-200 weekly.

It is well within reason that AAS increases your BP, just monitor it. I cycle frequently so one day I went to the dr on cycle with elevated bp and got a script med for it just to be safe and I take that all the time now also with a built in but safe diuretic. Long term high blood pressure is a kidney killer, when people take gear alot of inexperience people which id say 90% are, neglect kidneys and just roll on. Dont do this.

Also, if you dont know whats going on its best to have bloods pulled immediately I believe which was already stated as well. Idk about you but when i crash my estrogen im stuck with a limp dick and a very bitchy attitude, something you don’t want happening probably dont even need one honestly but again blood work

[Bigbadwolf250]

250mg of primo seems like a waste of time to me, but to each their own I guees. I advocate low dose cycling for health reasons but primo is a pretty much weak compound. I think starting at 400mg would be a better approach and keeping your testosterone at trt script levels 100-200 weekly.

It is well within reason that AAS increases your BP, just monitor it. I cycle frequently so one day I went to the dr on cycle with elevated bp and got a script med for it just to be safe and I take that all the time now also with a built in but safe diuretic. Long term high blood pressure is a kidney killer, when people take gear alot of inexperience people which id say 90% are, neglect kidneys and just roll on. Dont do this.

Also, if you dont know whats going on its best to have bloods pulled immediately I believe which was already stated as well. Idk about you but when i crash my estrogen im stuck with a limp dick and a very bitchy attitude, something you don’t want happening probably dont even need one honestly but again blood work

Yea these days trying to take a "healthier" approach. Been cycling for 10 years and now I just stay on trt and every summer I'll add a light dose of something usually just for a little bump.

[Cylon357]

Dupe

[almostgone]

Seems silly to decide to drop everything on Monday and three days later you're asking should you drop the primo.

Not hate, just seems that you shift plans without ever letting things stabilize.

[Bigbadwolf250]

Seems silly to decide to drop everything on Monday and three days later you're asking should you drop the primo.

Not hate, just seems that you shift plans without ever letting things stabilize.

Oh I see what you mean. Yea getting bloods done tmro so wasn't sure if I should continue the primo in the meantime so I can get a consistent reading of the bloodwork with what I'm taking

[almostgone]

I would grab some serious panels. Don't just do a drive-by for T and E2.
Get your CBC ( pay attention to your HCT and platelet count), CMP-14, and a lipid panel. Throw an eye at your liver enzymes, BUN, creatinine.... everything
All this shit going on in your body has a cost eventually.

[Bigbadwolf250]

I would grab some serious panels. Don't just do a drive-by for T and E2.
Get your CBC ( pay attention to your HCT and platelet count), CMP-14, and a lipid panel. Throw an eye at your liver enzymes, BUN, creatinine.... everything
All this shit going on in your body has a cost eventually.

Thanks man yep got all that already. I'll update when I get the results

[Bigbadwolf250]

Thanks man yep got all that already. I'll update when I get the results

Everything in June before I added stuff was all perfect. The only change was upping the test a bit and the primo. And having a baby haha. So lack of sleep lately for sure

[Honkey_Kong]

Everything in June before I added stuff was all perfect. The only change was upping the test a bit and the primo. And having a baby haha. So lack of sleep lately for sure

There's your problem. Congrats by the way.

[Bigbadwolf250]

There's your problem. Congrats by the way.

Hahah it's been awesome man. For sure life changing and that's what's got me thinking so much about being healthy these days. You think that could spike it that high though.

[almostgone]

One option would be to source more Lisinopril to use while on cycle.
I'd make keeping BP in line a priority, on or off cycle.

[Bigbadwolf250]

One option would be to source more Lisinopril to use while on cycle.
I'd make keeping BP in line a priority, on or off cycle.

Yea I mean I could take 40 mgs instead of 20 mgs. Or cut one of the 20s in half for 30 but not sure if I can cut them perfectly even.

[Honkey_Kong]

Yea I mean I could take 40 mgs instead of 20 mgs. Or cut one of the 20s in half for 30 but not sure if I can cut them perfectly even.

Or you can go to the doctor for high blood pressure while you're on this cycle. He'll probably order a CBC, but he'd also prescribe you another BP med. To get you to an OK level. Then after you cycle ends just revert back to your original medication. Don't admit to being on gear though

[almostgone]

Also was looking back on my labs before I started the blast and just on trt my hematocrit was 56.5! The highest it's ever been and really worried me. However a week before it was 51. And recently donated and last blood work a week ago showed 48. How could it be almost 57 and change that much. It was a different lab that did the testing. Same reference range though so no idea what happened.

Have been experiencing more headaches and dizziness and tires which are symptoms of high RBC. But not sure if it's just in my head.

There's something wrong with the methodology or they mixed your labs up with someone else.


Look back at post #39. I questioned the accuracy or whether you had done a recent large self-phlebotomy.

[almostgone]

Your bloods are about what I predicted if your HGB was 19.5. Apparently the meter at the blood bank is not in calibration or you did a large blood dump.

I don't see a child driving up your WBC, although I'm sure it's stressful.

I DO see a child in the picture as a motivator to step back, drop back to a TRT level dosage, if you are actually on a managed TRT, and not just running around blasting hormones here and there. Get your blood work in line and honestly, learn how to avoid putting yourself in situations like this.

Edit: Not hating, but you have quite a lengthy history of backing yourself into a corner rather regularly. Just a quick look at your post history show a trend.

Look at at your post from just a tad over a month ago (6-2-23)


https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...ml#post7593323




....and 2.5 months before that/3-16-23

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...be-not-me.html

Post#39 ^^^