Chinese HGH concerns

[Fit N Fun]

Mine was 492 on 4iu ED, no AAS. What was your baseline?

Been on 4 iu 5 days on 2 days off for a few weeks now.

I know I am using HGH since I tested it at a university lab ......... results were posted earlier in this thread, just got no idea if it is active or not.

I have no idea what my baseline is, but I am 56 years old so unlikely to be very high.

I will have to wait until I come off HGH to know what the baseline is.

Your IGF-1 reading should roughly increase about 80 to 100ng/ml per 1 iu per day for each unit you are taking. You need to test before taking HGH to establish your baseline reading, in order to observe an accurate increase in IGF-1. If you are older, as I am, you can expect a baseline reading of around 150, although individuals do vary.

It also takes time to raise your IGF-1 level. I took my first IGF-1 test after 4 daily HGH doses and my IGF-1 increase over baseline was only a 20% increase. After a month of taking HGH daily, my IGF-1 test result fully increased.

The IGF-1 test is used medically because it provided a stable marker (an inferential reading) based on the effect that HGH has to promote your body to produce IGF-1. It's my understanding that testing for actual HGH production in your body is hit and miss, as your natural HGH release come in pulses.

I hope this information is helpful.

Thanks Jim,

Saw this from an Italian study, so assume you are in my age range.

The median IGF-I levels were 206 ng/ml in the range 25–39 years, 147 ng/ml in the range 40–59 years and 103 ng/ml in the range≥60 years

I will post up the results so that they can be judged either way, good or bad, but reading between the lines on yours and Sgt. Hartman's figures, I will expect 450ng/ml or higher if my HGH is fully active!

[Sgt. Hartman]

Been on 4 iu 5 days on 2 days off for a few weeks now.

I know I am using HGH since I tested it at a university lab ......... results were posted earlier in this thread, just got no idea if it is active or not.

I have no idea what my baseline is, but I am 56 years old so unlikely to be very high.

I will have to wait until I come off HGH to know what the baseline is.





Thanks Jim,

Saw this from an Italian study, so assume you are in my age range.

The median IGF-I levels were 206 ng/ml in the range 25–39 years, 147 ng/ml in the range 40–59 years and 103 ng/ml in the range≥60 years

I will post up the results so that they can be judged either way, good or bad, but reading between the lines on yours and Sgt. Hartman's figures, I will expect 450ng/ml or higher if my HGH is fully active!

I remember reading your previous posts - I'm taking the same GH as you (which has my IGF at 492 at 4iu) and yes it's active and amazing!

[Sgt. Hartman]

Bro, I once got called in to the police for questioning because they siezed a package of tabs.
Belive me when I say this, they had it tested. I had to sit there and lie about it not being mine. They asked me if I knew what it was and I said no. She then asked me if I knew what ********* and ********** was, I said no. They had it all on paper.
They actually asked me by the hormone's real name, and I dont think they can google it by the looks of the pills...

They do test it if they want to bust your ass...

LOL. Wasn't trying to argue with you man, your experience with customs was just a lot different than mine.

[Markosterone]

LOL. Wasn't trying to argue with you man, your experience with customs was just a lot different than mine.

No worries about that bro..
I just thought that maybe someone on this forum has had a similar experience, but with HGH in the package, but I guess not.

[stang]

i don't trust china on anything they fake 95% of everything just look at the stuff in stores pick up something made from china its junk made cheap why would there gh be any diff

[juttsdm5]

i don't trust china on anything they fake 95% of everything just look at the stuff in stores pick up something made from china its junk made cheap why would there gh be any diff

they produce because we still buy it. nobody want to work or pay for it anymore ! If we stopped purchasing the crap comming out of there they will go out of business.

[Sesso]

I dont know what to think about it all. I know I had sides from just 2 iu for the first week and second week they went down. 3rd week I went up to 2.5 iu and sides came back. Did 3 iu one of those day and took a nap. Woke up a few hours later feeling bloated. My skin on my arms were tight and my fingers felt fat. Tingling sensation almost like sore tendon feelings. Swollen feet if I walked around for more than a few hours at one time. I also sleep very well now when before using GH I would wake up during the night.

[Fit N Fun]

i don't trust china on anything they fake 95% of everything just look at the stuff in stores pick up something made from china its junk made cheap why would there gh be any diff

If you are unsure of your supplier, get your GH mass spectrometer tested at a lab and / or get your IGF levels tested.

The fakers will get the message when you stop buying and the good companies will continue to supply what they always have.

[JimInAK]

FYI - Two years ago, before I started taking HGH my IGF-1 level was 158 ng/ml. I was 50 years old at the time....

[CEKoop]

OK, I am new here. I actually JUST registered today, after spending all day reading this very thread.

There is some very good information here. I kinda want to add my .02 but I'm also nervous I'm going to get flamed! Please be nice I want to be short, but I have a feeling my post will get long. I'll try to be concise!

So, I stumbled across this thread because I recently purchased some "blue tops" (which, as others have said, means absolutely nothing). I have a prescription for HGH, and I've been getting it through a pharmacy, but it's freakin' expensive, and I just can't afford it anymore. So, I searched out alternative sources.

At first, this seemed like a great deal (not cheap, but much less than pharma prices) but I didn't realize what I was ordering I didn't know it was generic, unlabeled, etc. Right off the bat, I realized I probably could not take this, being unlabeled/unknown (this seems obvious?) But, I'm desperate, and I WANT to be convinced that it is safe, so I started Googling to learn more about it. This thread has been very helpful and I have learned a lot here. Sadly, it confirms my original concerns that what I purchased is absolutely not safe (for me). Sigh. Well, that it COULD be safe, but there is no way to know for sure, so for me, I can't risk it. I'm so disappointed : (

Anyway, I wanted to chime in with a couple of points about testing- not to stir up more controversy, but because this is what was going through my head as I was reading this thread. I take HGH (was on Genotropin, now I'm on Norditropin) for a medical condition. I get it from a pharmacy, and am monitored by a physician. I have IGF-1 tests every 6 weeks, and I've also done the insulin-tolerance test, which is different than your standard blood test. Those are the only two blood tests for HGH. Obviously, IGF is not HGH, but it is used as a marker; no one measures HGH directly, not even in pituitary patients. Docs all go by IGF-1. I live in the US, and this has been my experience here.

So, I've been getting IGF tests forever now; I have noticed a few things.
1- Regarding blood tests. As others have stated, IGF levels vary depending on time of day- but not so much that it should make a difference in getting a general ballpark idea of how you are doing on the med. I have never had my physician or the lab or the pharmacy or the package insert tell me I have to get labs within a certain time after my injection. I take my injection (subQ) before bed. I usually get labwork done in the morning (not fasting), just because morning is convenient for me, but sometimes my doctor appt is in the afternoon, so that's when the labs get drawn. It's never off more than a few points in either direction. This might be different for others, but i think really the drug metabolism should be the same? For example, I don't think you would see an IGF level of 400 in the morning and 200 in the afternoon. It has to be more stable than that, or my doc would be more specific about when/how I get tested, since we are closely monitoring a specific health condition that has to be super-accurate. Also, FWIW, if I want to get "baseline" labs (off GH) I have to wait 4-6 weeks taking NO HGH, so the HGH definitely just doesn't metabolize and disappear within a few hours. Sure, there are spikes in HGH after you take it (and natural spikes in what your body produces) but remember, you are not measuring HGH, you are measuring IGF-1, which is a more stable/accurate marker of how your body is using the HGH.
I think the concern about the 5 hours was that the blood has to be tested within 5 hours of the blood draw. I think that's if the blood is just sitting in the vial at room temperature; probably because IGF breaks down in the sample. I believe most labs draw IGF samples in a specific tube, and then they freeze the sample, so it can last longer than 5 hours.
2- IGF levels also vary by the lab performing the test. I have had IGF drawn at one laboratory and the results were 40 points lower than they were 2 weeks previous when drawn at a different laboratory. Both labs have different reference ranges as well. So, (just an example) 100 at one lab can be equivalent to 140 at another lab. Which doesn't make any sense to me, but that's how it goes. So, keep that in mind if you use a different lab every time. It's probably best to use the same lab each time, for consistency, and tracking results. Also, I have never heard of measuring IGF by blood spot test, I'm not sure how accurate that might be (honestly, I just don't know- not trying to say that test is bad, but as others have mentioned, the testing method and specimen handling can influence results). But I'm thinking... if whole blood has to be tested within 5 hours OR refrigerated/frozen to get an accurate measure, I am not sure how a spot of dried blood that is subjected to who knows what type of temperature/handling conditions as it takes time to go through the postal service will yield an accurate result?
3- Obviously all this talk about IGF testing doesn't mean a thing if what is in the vials is some other substance that increases IGF.
4- Testing the vials. I also had the idea about testing the vial (that's how I stumbled across this thread) BUT- correct me if I'm wrong here- but that might not help much either, because that would only give you results for that particular batch. You'd have to test every single batch you get to know that each one is OK. Right? I understand the idea that it might verify whether a particular source or distributor is good- but to go back to the Original Post- it's not (necessarily) the source that might be the problem. I might totally, 100% trust my source... but I don't know where HE gets it. He might truly believe it's legit stuff. I'm with XL (I think it was?), I don't trust a darn thing coming out of China- whether it's pharmaceuticals or lawn manure. China has a terrible reputation for contaminated goods (of ALL kinds- food, toothpaste, toys, baby formula)- and that is from their "legitimate" manufacturers. If this stuff comes from a less-than-legitimate source (and we just don't know where it REALLY comes from), what kind of quality control do THOSE manufacturers have? It could be intentionally diluted, substituted, counterfeited, etc- OR it could be UNintentionally contaminated (foreign materials, metals, mercury, lead, other ingredients, fungi, bacteria, maybe the guy making it or packaging it didn't wash his hands that day, etc). But let's say you test a vial (if that is even possible) and that sample is totally legit. How do you know the next batch in 6 months is just as good? Even if your source is legit, you're right back to all of the original unknowns- where was it manufactured, how was it handled, how was it shipped, did it sit in the belly of a hot container ship for 14 days, etc. But most important- WHAT is in it? And there is no way to know : ( Maybe one batch is good, and the next batch is not. It's too much money to gamble (imo). But the bigger concern is the health risk.
5- Already mentioned in this thread- even if you COULD test the vial- the testing available doesn't even give you the whole picture. IF you could find a lab to test it (I saw a few mentioned, thx, that's what I was looking for) and IF it was cost effective to test (every batch...???) it seems that the best a lab can do is tell you whether your sample contains the rHGH protein sequence- but not whether that sequence is possibly useless because it was mishandled somewhere along the way, and now it's degraded or useless. It also doesn't tell you what ELSE is in it. I am highly allergic to certain fillers. Let's just say for argument's sake that my vials are actually 9iu HGH and 1iu cornstarch. I am so highly allergic to corn, that would send me to the ER, or possibly kill me. Obviously that is a very specific example. But it applies to everyone- what if there is some HGH and some cyanide? Having a useless substance that doesn't have any HGH in it (or much less than you think) when you are paying so much for it would be bad enough- but even worse- if it's not HGH, what IS it??? We don't have any way to know, right? Unless you spend thousands of dollars testing every vial? No effect is bad enough. BAD effects would be worse

I'm sorry this is so long, especially since I am new and you guys don't know me from anyone... I hope this post is OK, I just found this WHOLE thread SO useful as I have been researching this issue and wanted to add what I know about testing in case it's helpful to anyone. I do want to thank the original poster for creating this thread, and all of you who posted really useful replies about testing. OK, I'll stop typing now... even though my brain is still rambling... (and overwhelmed!)

[The Incredible Dump]

I find it hard to trust alot of the advice on these forums about fake gear or under-dosed gear. The forums are great to come on and get soem tips on diets, training regimes, stacks or even just how and when to take stuff but, there are too many dealers and pushers on here to trust when someone slags another source or brand or even a country off. They are fighting for our custom so it makes sense to slag off products that they don't sell themselves or put you off or even just make you doubt your own sources.
I think there probably is a load of fake stuff coming from China but, there's a lot of fake stuff coming from everywhere! I've had pharma grade steroids and they worked amazingly however, I've also tried a brand that has been slated on here plenty of times and still got pretty much the same results.
So, don't believe everything you hear because I think there are just as many fakes on this forum as there are apparently coming out of China.

I just wish it was all legal. Too many shady characters has left me doubting everyone and not just China.

[gixxerboy1]

I find it hard to trust alot of the advice on these forums about fake gear or under-dosed gear. The forums are great to come on and get soem tips on diets, training regimes, stacks or even just how and when to take stuff but, there are too many dealers and pushers on here to trust when someone slags another source or brand or even a country off. They are fighting for our custom so it makes sense to slag off products that they don't sell themselves or put you off or even just make you doubt your own sources.
I think there probably is a load of fake stuff coming from China but, there's a lot of fake stuff coming from everywhere! I've had pharma grade steroids and they worked amazingly however, I've also tried a brand that has been slated on here plenty of times and still got pretty much the same results.
So, don't believe everything you hear because I think there are just as many fakes on this forum as there are apparently coming out of China.

I just wish it was all legal. Too many shady characters has left me doubting everyone and not just China.

Nice. You are here 1 month and 6 post but you are doubting the integrity and honesty of the mods and staff.
If you actually knew this site. you would know we don't have any sources on here. We don't discuss sources or scammers. So i dont know where you get off saying people are pushing their own stuff.

[Matt]

^^^^^ Nobody and i mean nobody in this thread or on this forum is pushing anything...

This board is for information only, its not a source board...

This is to The Incredible Dump

[The Incredible Dump]

I'm sorry, I didn't realise it took years of being a member and hundreds of posts to have a better understanding of human nature... This stuff goes on all over, this stuff goes on on forums, and I can't help thinking the no fishing or sourcing on the forums is to clean up the competition for others on here to dominate.
I don't trust people and if this site wasn't about naming brands then why is it ok to name them when slagging off certain brands?

And I don't 'get off' on saying anything on here. I just question the motives of people and unless you know every member personally and not on the internet (where you don't know them at all) then you can't say this stuff doesn't happen on here. There will be people trying to push products onto other members on here, even if it's as subtles as guiding them in decision making. This is why I can't trust everything I read on here because I've already found some of it to be dead wrong.

Some of it has also been dead right too, though.

[shane39]

Has anyone ever heard of ???? They have an elaborate web page and great customer service. My package came within seven days and had all the right bells and whistles. I got all the sides one may look for, but stopped taking it because of all the phony hoopla. Thanks for your time I am new to this sight and look forward to hearing from people in the know.

[Matt]

I'm sorry, I didn't realise it took years of being a member and hundreds of posts to have a better understanding of human nature... This stuff goes on all over, this stuff goes on on forums, and I can't help thinking the no fishing or sourcing on the forums is to clean up the competition for others on here to dominate.
I don't trust people and if this site wasn't about naming brands then why is it ok to name them when slagging off certain brands?

And I don't 'get off' on saying anything on here. I just question the motives of people and unless you know every member personally and not on the internet (where you don't know them at all) then you can't say this stuff doesn't happen on here. There will be people trying to push products onto other members on here, even if it's as subtles as guiding them in decision making. This is why I can't trust everything I read on here because I've already found some of it to be dead wrong.

Some of it has also been dead right too, though.

No but it takes thousands of posts and years of being a member to understand how this board works...

If your not comfortable here or have no positive input then please find else where to lurk with your negativity...

[shane39]

Has anyone ever heard of pro.com?????? They have an elaborate web page and great customer service. My package came within seven days and had all the right bells and whistles. I got all the sides one may look for, but stopped taking it because of all the phony hoopla. Thanks for your time I am new to this sight and look forward to hearing from people in the know.

[Matt]

^^^ Read the rules you clown and edit both your posts...

[The Incredible Dump]

You are wrong. I've read these forums long before I became a member. Whether I post or not makes no difference. It's only members who've been on here for years or have thousands of posts who'd say something so stupid becuase you think it makes you more important and me less intelligent for not being on here as long.
I don't lurk anywhere with negativity, I've had nothing but positivity on these forums mostly and I do like the forum. However, I don't agree with everything being said about China on here and I know for a fact some of the brands that have been slagged off on here are legit gear as I get my bloods done regularly and monitored by specialists to make sure I don't screw up.
But it seems if you disagree with anyone one here who is a mod or has 'thousands of posts' then it's open season.
My opinions are just as important and just as fair as anyone elses. That's the point in a forum.

And it obviously doesn't take thousands of posts to understand these forums it takes just 1 and that's 1 post where you don't agree with the main man and you realise what a house of cards this is.

Also aswell as not naming brands or surces on here I thought most forums had rules against racism?

China are public enemy on here so it seems... Must have had a chinese member disagree with you on here once?

[shane39]

Sorry about that. Hope the problem is fixed.

[shane39]

Has anyone ever heard of o.com?????? They have an elaborate web page and great customer service. My package came within seven days and had all the right bells and whistles. I got all the sides one may look for, but stopped taking it because of all the phony hoopla. Thanks for your time I am new to this sight and look forward to hearing from people in the know.

[shane39]

Anyone ever thought about doing some volunteer work at an aids hospice????

[shane39]

Anyone ever thought about doing some volunteer work at an aids hospice????

[gixxerboy1]

You are wrong. I've read these forums long before I became a member. Whether I post or not makes no difference. It's only members who've been on here for years or have thousands of posts who'd say something so stupid becuase you think it makes you more important and me less intelligent for not being on here as long.
I don't lurk anywhere with negativity, I've had nothing but positivity on these forums mostly and I do like the forum. However, I don't agree with everything being said about China on here and I know for a fact some of the brands that have been slagged off on here are legit gear as I get my bloods done regularly and monitored by specialists to make sure I don't screw up.
But it seems if you disagree with anyone one here who is a mod or has 'thousands of posts' then it's open season.
My opinions are just as important and just as fair as anyone elses. That's the point in a forum.

And it obviously doesn't take thousands of posts to understand these forums it takes just 1 and that's 1 post where you don't agree with the main man and you realise what a house of cards this is.

Also aswell as not naming brands or surces on here I thought most forums had rules against racism?

China are public enemy on here so it seems... Must have had a chinese member disagree with you on here once?

It sound like you are the one trying to push something. You just join. The only thread you post in is about the chinese gh. You call out the staff. And say you know certian brands are real and that you know by your bloodwork that yours is good. You sound like the one with the agenda.

No staff member here has pushed any brand. All we say is to stick with real human grade gh because the chinese generics have gone to shit. So now cause we try to look out for people we are the bad guys.

You think its hard to see through your shit. Get the fvck off our board

[sleepy33]

All I know is that after reading this thread, I'm not taking any chances. I'll be looking for only pharm grade HGH. Thanks to everyone who posted for saving me my money by not buying fakes

[JimInAK]

You are wrong. I've read these forums long before I became a member. Whether I post or not makes no difference. It's only members who've been on here for years or have thousands of posts who'd say something so stupid becuase you think it makes you more important and me less intelligent for not being on here as long.
I don't lurk anywhere with negativity, I've had nothing but positivity on these forums mostly and I do like the forum. However, I don't agree with everything being said about China on here and I know for a fact some of the brands that have been slagged off on here are legit gear as I get my bloods done regularly and monitored by specialists to make sure I don't screw up.
But it seems if you disagree with anyone one here who is a mod or has 'thousands of posts' then it's open season.
My opinions are just as important and just as fair as anyone elses. That's the point in a forum.

And it obviously doesn't take thousands of posts to understand these forums it takes just 1 and that's 1 post where you don't agree with the main man and you realise what a house of cards this is.

Also aswell as not naming brands or surces on here I thought most forums had rules against racism?

China are public enemy on here so it seems... Must have had a chinese member disagree with you on here once?

Consider what you want and discard the rest. Facts can be independently verified. Opinions can be considered or discarded. Almost everyone operates with a degree of racism and most every other 'ism. That's part of the human package.

Everything said here in the forum are opinions. Some people have strong opinions and are not open to considering others. Some hold their opinions so strongly that they are compelled to bash others in an attempt to make their point. That is the way it is. It's human nature.

This forum isn't perfect, but if it isn't good enough for an individual then they are free to move on. It's interesting for me to consider all sides of an issue and to try understand motivations and prejudices. There is good information and points of view to be considered if you are willing to dig through some crap occasionally.

On a good day, I discover that there are others more screwed up than me. Isn't life grand... LOL

[The Incredible Dump]

Finally a real reply! Gixxerboy just tells people to get off his board if you don't agree with every word he says. It's pathetic.

[gixxerboy1]

Finally a real reply! Gixxerboy just tells people to get off his board if you don't agree with every word he says. It's pathetic.

if you are going to come on here and accuse people of shit. Then yea. You been here a month, know nobody and want to make accusations. Then yea you arent welcome here.

I dont care if you have a different opinion or agree with me. I care that you say that we are making shit up to push our products or people who sell different things. That complete bullshit. You have no justification for your comments.

[The Incredible Dump]

Yes I do. Maybe you should read my original post again. Yous frequently warn people for naming certain brands or sources then say nothing when other brands are torn apart. It seems the rules only apply when it suits you so yeah, I am justified in making the comments I made.
The way you've responded to someone disagreeing with your point of view speaks volumes.
It's too elitist this forum and unless people are kissing your ass you don't want to know. It might come as a suprise to you but, you don't know everything and you come across as condescending. You love playing the mr. know-it-all. Of course that all fell apart when I didn't agree with you on something.

[gixxerboy1]

Yes I do. Maybe you should read my original post again. Yous frequently warn people for naming certain brands or sources then say nothing when other brands are torn apart. It seems the rules only apply when it suits you so yeah, I am justified in making the comments I made.
The way you've responded to someone disagreeing with your point of view speaks volumes.
It's too elitist this forum and unless people are kissing your ass you don't want to know. It might come as a suprise to you but, you don't know everything and you come across as condescending. You love playing the mr. know-it-all. Of course that all fell apart when I didn't agree with you on something.

what brands are being named or torn apart? The only brands allowed to be discussed on this board are human grade products. If thats hgh or steroids. How is generic Chinese a brand?

Name 1 time on this board a source has been discussed. Tell me what post in this thread you see anything good or bad about a source? There isn't one and you know it.
So again you are making shit up to start shit that isnt there. So yes i have a problem with YOU not cause i disagree but because you are making accusations with no proof and making up shit to try and justify your comments.

[The Incredible Dump]

Well I've seen plenty of threads on here about various BD sites and the .EU gets some grief on here also. You have a proeblem with me because I stood up to you and called you out and you're not used to it. You sidestep or completely ignore what I say and just say things like get of the forum or I've only been on a month, only made 6 posts etc etc. I didn't realise expertise relied on how many posts you had or how many years you'd been a member. Must get in touch with Jay Cutler and tell him where he's been going wrong all these years... Needs more posts. You'd probably throw that down his neck aswell though.
I've justified my previous comment with every other comment I've made but, you won't have it. I'm not asking you or anyone to see things my way, I'm just throwing my opinion into the ring which you took as a personal insult and haven't done much bar trying to insult me and tell me to go away.
I Didn't say I think it's the mods putting people off stuff deliberately I just said I think there are people on here doing it. It IS possible that a Mod is doing it but, I didn't say that. I've jsut seen enough controversial comments on here to make me wonder and, lik eeveryone else on here I thought I'd atleast give people a heads-up and something to think about. Afterall aren't these forums here for that very reason?
Also generic Chinese HGH is NOT a brand yes, so how can you label them all the same? If these forums are really about helping people why can't the mods and the mods only have a thread telling people what's real and what's fake, what's under-juiced and so on? Or how about sites where you can get good gear from?
Unless I get someone to go to Thailand and get me pharma grade stuff and risk bringing it back I have to order online which I hate doing. Even if it's the same potency I still feel a bit ripped at the thought it's not pharma grade. Why can't this site do that?
It seems you go half way then give up, it blurs the lines for me and this leaves me feeling a little unsure on what exactley to believe and as I've said before why some sites are named and shamed and others are forbidden. It doesn't make sense to me.

I haven't swore at you or told you to go away so I'd appreciate you being a little more civil with me. I'm sure I'm not the on'y member on here who has had this doubt before but, I'm the only one brave enough to voice it knowing it would go down so badly.

[SlimmerMe]

^^^ this site is not for telling members where to get good gear so hoping for this is reaching far beyond what happens here. What does happen here is access to a multitude of view points from all over the world. Reading and listening and learning from others experiences is a huge gift actually. And all for free. So please try to focus on what this place is about....not what it is not about.

Enjoy~

[gixxerboy1]

Well I've seen plenty of threads on here about various BD sites and the .EU gets some grief on here also. You have a problem with me because I stood up to you and called you out and you're not used to it. You sidestep or completely ignore what I say and just say things like get of the forum or I've only been on a month, only made 6 posts etc etc. I didn't realise expertise relied on how many posts you had or how many years you'd been a member. Must get in touch with Jay Cutler and tell him where he's been going wrong all these years... Needs more posts. You'd probably throw that down his neck aswell though. its not that you cant know what you are talking about bb wise or steriod wise. Its that you been here a month and claim to know the motives of people on here you dont know. That what i am talking about you only being here for a month
I've justified my previous comment with every other comment I've made but, you won't have it. I'm not asking you or anyone to see things my way, I'm just throwing my opinion into the ring which you took as a personal insult and haven't done much bar trying to insult me and tell me to go away.
I Didn't say I think it's the mods putting people off stuff deliberately I just said I think there are people on here doing it. It IS possible that a Mod is doing it but, I didn't say that. I've jsut seen enough controversial comments on here to make me wonder and,well considering a staff memeber started this thread and most of the things against the hgh are by staff why wouldnt people take your post that way lik eeveryone else on here I thought I'd atleast give people a heads-up and something to think about. Afterall aren't these forums here for that very reason? No. This site is for information about steriods and how to use them safe. We dont discuss sources, websites or aynthnig related to purchasing them. There are other sites for that if thats what you are looking for.
Also generic Chinese HGH is NOT a brand yes, so how can you label them all the same? do you realize the type of equipment it takes to make real hgh? Do you think there are 20 different labs in china making it? No there are putting different color tops or labels on the same shit. I've been in this game for a long time and trust me i know more about this then you or am willing to put outIf these forums are really about helping people why can't the mods and the mods only have a thread telling people what's real and what's fake, what's under-juiced and so on? Or how about sites where you can get good gear from?
Unless I get someone to go to Thailand and get me pharma grade stuff and risk bringing it back I have to order online which I hate doing. Even if it's the same potency I still feel a bit ripped at the thought it's not pharma grade. Why can't this site do that?
It seems you go half way then give up, it blurs the lines for me and this leaves me feeling a little unsure on what exactley to believe and as I've said before why some sites are named and shamed and others are forbidden. It doesn't make sense to me.no sites are named or recommended again you are saying false shit to justify your comments

I haven't swore at you or told you to go away so I'd appreciate you being a little more civil with me. I'm sure I'm not the on'y member on here who has had this doubt before but, I'm the only one brave enough to voice it knowing it would go down so badly.nobody so new comes on here calling out people and the integrity of the board and members with no proof of anything

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Wow you really don't know what your talking about. You nearly had me fooled for a while but time and again you can't answer my questions instead you try to make out I'm saying things I'm not so you can give an answer that makes you (as always) look high and mighty.

I can say pretty much what I like when I like regardless of how long I've been on here and like I said before I've read these forums for a long time before feeling the need to become a member and write these God-building posts. And regardless of how long you have been on here you DO NOT know everyone on here, even the people you think you know you could have all wrong. This IS the internet.

It doesn't matter if a staffer wrote the thread, I can still offer an opinion in general.

Your answer about sources and naming websites is again way off the mark. I didn't say I was coming on here to tell people sources i was giving my opinion on the things some of the dodgier characters on here might be doing NOT asking to name websites.

I asked WHY (read up the definition of why) you can't give sources and as a mod tell people where the good stuff is and what's definitly fake. To which you still have no answered...

And yes thanks I am more than aware of how HGH is made and how it's a very expensive process but, it is YOU who does not have the proof to back up what you say unless you get every brand coming out of china, test it then put a percentage on what's legit and what isn't.

And YES the .EU site HAS been named and discussed on here along with it's products so don't lie. Simple as that.

And so what, nobody so far has come on here so new and argued with someone with SO MANY POSTS like you but, that's becuase I'm not so easily led and don't worship you like a God but see you as just a human. One with a massive ego and judging from some of the posts I've read from you to people you're condescending, think you know it all and have more of an attitude than me!

You still have failed to answer properly. I've learnt more about this forum in the past 2 days than the whole time I've ever read it. And that's what a load of rubbish it is. It's probably you dealing all the gear and putting people off. Why else would you spit your dummy like this and have no real come-backs to anythin i've said?

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I asked a question. Why is it impossible to get a straight answer out of you guys? What a dodgy bunch...

[gixxerboy1]

I asked a question. Why is it impossible to get a straight answer out of you guys? What a dodgy bunch...

what question have you not gotten an answer to?

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Either you're trying to be clever and failing miserabley or you really are that stupid. Either way we're just going to keep going round in circles here. You'll keep answering the questions you THINK i'm asking instead of the ones written and you'll keep twisting my words so you have something you can actually say back. This site has gone way down in my opinion after actually talking to you. I've learned you really are full of it. I can't be botherd to waste anymore time replying to a fake.

You failed and all you had to do was just answer my questions and accept everyone has an opinion that IS NOT the same as yours.

[gixxerboy1]

Wow you really don't know what your talking about. You nearly had me fooled for a while but time and again you can't answer my questions instead you try to make out I'm saying things I'm not so you can give an answer that makes you (as always) look high and mighty.what question was not answered?

I can say pretty much what I like when I like regardless of how long I've been on here and like I said before I've read these forums for a long time before feeling the need to become a member and write these God-building posts. And regardless of how long you have been on here you DO NOT know everyone on here, even the people you think you know you could have all wrong. This IS the internet.You are correct and some of the people on here i do know personally.

It doesn't matter if a staffer wrote the thread, I can still offer an opinion in general. you are not offering an opinion. you are making aqusations

Your answer about sources and naming websites is again way off the mark. I didn't say I was coming on here to tell people sources i was giving my opinion on the things some of the dodgier characters on here might be doing NOT asking to name websites.i didnt say you were

I asked WHY (read up the definition of why) you can't give sources and as a mod tell people where the good stuff is and what's definitly fake. To which you still have no answered...
because the owner of the site doesnt want it. I could speculate why but cant speak for them. Those are the rules of the board.
And yes thanks I am more than aware of how HGH is made and how it's a very expensive process but, it is YOU who does not have the proof to back up what you say unless you get every brand coming out of china, test it then put a percentage on what's legit and what isn't. I've been in this game alot longer then you and been a much bigger player then you. Believe who and what you want. Use the chinese gh really why do i care? I'm not gaining or loosing anything.

And YES the .EU site HAS been named and discussed on here along with it's products so don't lie. Simple as that.again show me where. No sties are discuss on this board.

And so what, nobody so far has come on here so new and argued with someone with SO MANY POSTS like you but, that's becuase I'm not so easily led and don't worship you like a God but see you as just a human. One with a massive ego and judging from some of the posts I've read from you to people you're condescending, think you know it all and have more of an attitude than me!lol. No its cause you have absolutely no credibility and want to call people out with zero proof. Back up your allegations. Who on here has something to gain about the chinese gh being bad? fvck i wish it was still good. i can get it cheap as shit,

You still have failed to answer properly. I've learnt more about this forum in the past 2 days than the whole time I've ever read it. And that's what a load of rubbish it is. It's probably you dealing all the gear and putting people off. Why else would you spit your dummy like this and have no real come-backs to anythin i've said?lol. like i said you sit and make allegations with no proof and wonder why you get shit back. Yea im selling human grade gh to the entire board

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I guess you really are retarded then...

[noserider]

All I know is that after reading this thread, I'm not taking any chances. I'll be looking for only pharm grade HGH. Thanks to everyone who posted for saving me my money by not buying fakes

Really, unless you're buying gh from a pharmacy you run the risk of buying degraded or bunk gh. You are obviously not scripted if you're "looking". You think just bc you're buying that pretty little box that says Humatrope that it automatically has always been properly stored and handled? You can get screwed just as easily trying to buy pharma grade off the street as with buying chinese gh.