yea but what if some of the stuff in the vials are dangerous to you. They are coming from a chinese chemicalsOriginally Posted by trackstar19
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yea but what if some of the stuff in the vials are dangerous to you. They are coming from a chinese chemicals
If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong
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Definitely my biggest concern man, especially with the huge welts it was giving me. I know, fairly stupid for me to inject it considering the type of shiit that comes out of china. On the same note though, my source for these blues is the same source in china I use to get my raw powders, etc. And they've always been good to go (knock on wood). So I guess i'm just hoping for the best. Common sense would say not to use it though, I agree entirely with you bro.
I guess when it comes to the aas/ped's game due to the legality of it in most countries many of us are forced to go thru questionable means to get our supplies. And because of that we can never truly be sure how pure or what exactly we're injecting if it isn't legit HG stuff straight from a pharmacy. It sucks and is a little scary to think about, but I don't see myself getting out of the game any time soon. I appreciate your responses and concerns though bro, always good to read stuff that gets me thinking/reminds me this shiit i'm injecting into myself could literally be ANYTHING.
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It would be greatly appreciated if some of you guys would contact Nancy by email at Anke-bio and ask why they have not responded to any of my e-mails since spring regarding having sold poor quality Ansomone. Feel free to use my name (Ronnie Rowland) and tell them I am a VET here on the anabolic review board. I am curious to see if they will respond and if so what they have to say. Hopefully this will send a strong message to them because I've already threatened to go public on the main search engines if they do not get back with me by Wednesday of this week and I will keep that promise. I really dislike doing this and so does marcus but they have left us no choice at this point. It would appear they think ignoring the problem will make us go away but all that's going away is a lot of their business if they don't make things right because word travels fast on the net.
Thanks guys!
Last edited by Ronnie Rowland; 08-28-2012 at 07:50 AM.
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We were right!
Below is a post I just found over at www.professionalmuscle.com by a well respected board member. Ansomone's so-called Pharm grade GH is fake according to his blood labs. marcus and I were right!
"08-11-2012, 03:56 PM
Queefer
Featured Member / Kilo Klub Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 4,131
Friday I took 10iu Anasomone gh at 810am and had blood drawn at 1133am and Saturday got back the results at .8-------------Meaning no gh in there whatsoever. These are the ones that have the grey tops that say flip off, which the website says are the real ones.
Obviously the factories in China have figured out that all they have to do is put out a fancy box with nice labels and inserts and we will buy them until now."
Last edited by Ronnie Rowland; 08-27-2012 at 09:32 PM.
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I wish i still had the email buty erlier this year i got an email from Nancy warning about fakes. stating somthing about the cap should say "flip off", if the cap says "Ansomone" it is fake. This seemed to me the first indicator that the days or real Ansomone were over. shortly aflter that email i started to see sponsors on another forum offering ansomone, and now you can just google it and buy online. all to me were indications of fakes.
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The fake stuff some have received came directly from Nancy who gave out the warning. Very shady!
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^^This is probably the email you're talking about.
Hi, dear ******,
Good day to you!
As you know, we AnkeBio are the unqiue manufacturer of HGH with our own trade name ANSOMONE, and our official website is www.ankebio.com .
But recently, some of our customers gave us the feedback that they bought fake HGH/Ansomone when they did not order from us directly.
Here, we offers easy ways to verify genuine HGH/Ansomone in order that you can use genuine HGH/Ansomone originated from Ankebio in safe way.
Step1. Before or when ordering:
------Please make order from us the unique manufacturer directly for your first choice.
Step2. When you receive HGH/Ansomone:
------Please check the outer packet/kit (10 vials each packet/kit) and the inner vials of HGH/ANSOMONE you got. If there is no sealed sticker with anti-counfeiting numbers on packet/kit, and the cap of vial is with "ANSOMONE", we AnkeBio confirm that it is FAKE ANSOMONE.
------Our original vial's cap is with "FLIP OFF" in order to indicate user how to open the vial conveniently.
------If the cap of vial you got is with "FLIP OFF", please DO NOT forget to verfity it on our official anti-counterfeiting system as discription on the following Step3.
Step3. Verify on our offical and unique Anti-counterfeiting System
------Please go to the the following Anti-counterfeiting System, and then you will find how to verify HGH/Ansomone you got Genuine or Fake.
http://www.ankebio.com/english/ansomone.asp?third_id=4
Hope these information is helpful!
For any questions, please feel free to contact us.
Thanks for your time!
Regards,
Yours Sincerely,
Nancy
12/03/2012
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I wonder what the hell really does take place at a legit pharma that produces legit HGH and distributes it the BB community that causes them to cease sales of this same HGH through the channels they have established.
Perhaps they Anke now have enough sales through legit channels to move all their HGH and they prefer to no longer be associated with the BB/athletic community? Or maybe they have by some means lost the ability to produce HGH as they had in the past?
Or did the demand for HGH suddenly exceed their production capabilities, so rather than loose business while they expand they decided to start pumping out fakes?
Seems something along either of these lines must have happened, as they really can not think that they can continue selling fakes to a market built and accustomed to real HGH.
I guess it does not really matter, but I can't help but wonder?
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They are selling fakes because of one thing "money" and I'm sure it will only be to the retail side of the buisiness ie us bodybuilders, seeing that they have built up enough customers they can sell to us without any serious backlash. Seriously what are we going to do if its fake? Nothing except slag them off on a bodybuilding board. I've been telling everyone about generics for yrs but its still huge business so what harm are we going to do to them, nothing.
Suppose what do you expect from China
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NOTE: Real pharmaceutical companies do not offer to replace medications because they know they are real upon inspection before leaving the facility and recalls do not have to be sent back! Like marcus said the fakes look legits because they come directly from ankie and are you are using the exact same boxes and leaflets. Nancy finally got back with me after I threatened many would go public. They are well aware of the fact that people living inside the U.S. have to pay a re-shipper a fee to ship it to the U.S. since they will not. In fact, ordering Ansomone GH inside the U.S. invloves paying ankieo for the GH, then paying a bank transfer fee to get them the money, a western union fee to re-shipper, and then a fee to the re-shipper to ship. Were talking a lot of time and money! And their lame response as of today was:
"All of our ANSOMONE/HGH are manufactured in the same production line in our GMP plant for many years. There is no reason for us to offer you FAKE products if you bought products directly from us.
As our ANSOMONE/HGH has very good reputation for many years, that is reason why so lots of FAKE ANSOMONE and FAKE AnkeBio people on internet now. The inner and outer packing of these FAKE are very similar to our real products.
Once again, if you confirm that something wrong with the products we sent to you, please send them back, we will replace a new batch for you. It is reasonable for both sides, we believe that all the people will think it is reasonable Solutions.
Thank you for your time!
Regards,
Nancy
28/08/2012
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Do o u believe her?
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If you re- read his post you will find the answer
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Good find Ronnie, all this evidence is mounting. Its really pissed me off I'm say on 1000ius erkkkkk
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Have u done a serum test?
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No I haven't razor but I have in the past a few times and to be honest its s mine field . Had many different results even from pharm. Timing of the gh, length between sample and test its really hard work to get a really accurate test done. But by all means try one if you have your natural range and also when you had pharm before would be good indicators but there is to much evidence and to many people complaining no matter what the test comes back and says.
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Well u got 1000ius are you going to send it back for a refund or exchange? Since you live in the UK seems like it would be easier then in America
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[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;6133252][B]It would be greatly appreciated if some of you guys would contact Nancy by email at Anke-bio and ask why they have not responded to any of my e-mails since spring regarding having sold poor quality Ansomone. Feel free to use my name (Ronnie Rowland) and tell them I am a VET here on the anabolic review board. I am curious to see if they will respond and if so what they have to say. Hopefully this will send a strong message to them because I've already threatened to go public on the main search engines if they do not get back with me by Wednesday of this week and I will keep that promise. I really dislike doing this and so does marcus but they have left us no choice at this point. It would appear they think ignoring the problem will make us go away but all that's going away is a lot of their business if they don't make things right because word travels fast on the net.
Thanks guys!
im happy to email her again to complain !
i already emailed her about my complaints . to be fair ive only been using 5i.u for about 20 days so i guess her reply is to be expected . her reply is below....
Thank you for your e-mail!
You only ordered 20 vials of 10 IU/vial by now from us since last month. So it is difficult to evaluate effects.
As we AnkeBio are the qualified and licensed manufacturer of HGH, we offer products with best quality and it is difficult for us to give you more advice for exact personal using.
So if you have any question for daily dosage or for further instruction, please kindly ask your doctors for advice after he gives you evaluation of your natural growth hormone level.
Hope these information is helpful!
Thank you for your time!
Regards,
Yours Sincerely,
Nancy
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[QUOTE=swithuk;6134448]She is a good bullshitter, ill give her that, that offered no help to anyone
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They won't exchange, why would they? In their eyes they sent pharm grade gh
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im sorry you have to deal with this marcus, back to my original thoughts then
burn baby burn
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Dear Sir,
Thank you for your e-mail!
1. We AnkeBio have manufactured and marketed our ANSOMONE/HGH for injection for more than 14 years. There is no problem reports about our ANSOMONE/HGH by now. In fact, quite a few customers have used our products for 10 years with great satisfaction.
2. Because our products have great reputation on internet, there are so lots of FAKE ANKEBIO Poeple on internet sell FAKE ANSOMONE and FAKE HGH; also some Competitors make rumor and slander us on internet.
3. We are regret for their unlawful and calumniation as they could not proceed their business in the good way but iniquity business actions.
We think that it is not neccesary for us to waste time on these absurd actions. The best way for us is to ignore these silly untrue information on internet, because our HGH is real great HGH. The truth should never be changed whatever some people spreaded rumor.
4. The best way to clarify our HGH product is to test it in any authorized lab your trusted . Our HGH/ANSOMONE could be purchased and available in almost all the hospitals in China now, and any people could buy it from these hospital in China directly, then test them in the trusted labs. Any thing will be clear at that time.
5. Our information could be downloaded on our website ******. Hope these information is helpful for your evaluation. In fact, there are lots of our ANSOMONE users around the world and growing, and they are satisfied with our products and service.
6. Only these people who makes orders derectly from our unique official website ********** could get the real and genuine HGH/ANSOMONE with best quality and best service.
Hope these information is helpful for you.
Thank you for your time!
Regards,
Yours Sincerely,
Nancy
14/08/2012
Last edited by Swifto; 08-29-2012 at 09:06 AM.
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More dissolution than ever now..this is so frustrating
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They practically offer their head on a plate with this stupid email. Its incredible how stupid the Chinese workers can be (of course backed by their managers and CEO). Ansomone is registered nowhere outside China but they sell it over website...same as GenSci they ask for a anal rape and most certainly will get it one day or another.
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What a GD mess this has become!!!!
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My wife use to work for a pharmaceutical plant and they set a side products to be tested when running it on the line. Also, there is another department called quality assurance that collects samples to be taken to the lab and randomly tested. Other samples are stored for shelf life to make sure the potency is good til the expiration date. Now if they had a recall on a specific batch it would be different but they are not recalling any of their products. A real pharmaceutical company keeps samples in case something goes wrong. You cannot send a controlled substance back to the plant, only the pharmacy. No one can send it back because it's illegal and they know it. Many trusted them by sending them money but why do they not trust us when we say it was working for a while but now it's not. Many of us have been in the game long enough to know what's real and what's fake. If your eating an apple it should look and taste like an apple not something else.
Let's all spread the truth to as many boards as possible and over time I am sure it's going to hurt them to some degree when people type in ansomone and read about them selling couterfeit GH. It will have a trickle down effect! I am very dissapointed because I thought the chineese would be more willing to stand behind their products.
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Everything with China has changed. As far as they are concerned, the U.S. is not there friend. They are only concerned with capitalizing on anything they can with us. We will never be able to pay the debt back. At some point the U.S. will have to have a Leader that is going to have to act like someone from the private sector and tell them we will settle our debt for pennies on the dollar, which of course they will not be willing to do. IMO its probably going to get worse as far as relations with them. I think the idea of spreading the word on all the boards and creating a few blogs or site that is set up well enough to show up on search engines and talk about there fakes. They are not going to own up to mfg. junk. There site has the scrolling warning about counterfeit products as if that covers them. I do believe spreading the word will put a big hurt on there sales. Once there rep is ruined, it will be difficult to make a comeback. I personally never purchased there products, but sounds like it was a big seller with many. To start making fake products and selling them to people that have spent a lot of money with them and referred (endorsed) there company is just LOW AND DIRTY BUSINESS, with no regard for people in general or any type of loyalty to dedicated customers. No sense wasting energy on fixing or hoping they will change, better to go with spreading the word!
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I'm starting to think anything made in China is just bad..how can they make the same product as Lilly or Serono or genetech for 75% less? GH is a million dollar operation. I know what it takes to make this stuff, I happen to live in the Bio-Tech capital of the US, here in San Diego/Oceanside/San Francisco
Ive met people from all these companies at bars and charity events and house parties, and talked to them about GH, it costs millions of dollars to make this stuff and for R&D. After the initial R&D is done obviously the price comes down, GH back in the early 2000's was 10 times the price of what it is now..
I thought about this all last night...Im going to call a friend of a friend and possible see if I can give them a vial from Anki and see if they will test it.
http://www.gene.com/gene/about/locations/
http://www.xconomy.com/san-diego/200...er-of-silence/
What do you guys think they are putting the vials now? IGF...how much less does it cost to make IGF vs GH?
Last edited by Razor; 08-29-2012 at 11:30 AM.
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I really don't know what they are putting inside the Chinese GH because the sides have been wide spread, but I good guess would be something like peptides, AI's, anti diuretic hormones or in some worse case's some chemical what mimic gh side which increase BP,water and some some odd cases gyno. Its really pissed me off because now I have to look for another secure source which is like a needle in a haystack
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If they are putting IGF-1 in, how would you know?I really don't know what they are putting inside the Chinese GH because the sides have been wide spread, but I good guess would be something like peptides, AI's, anti diuretic hormones or in some worse case's some chemical what mimic gh side which increase BP,water and some some odd cases gyno. Its really pissed me off because now I have to look for another secure source which is like a needle in a haystack
Dude I have so much respect for what you have done here, you had the balls to come forth and say hey this is fcked up and Ill admit that, and your trying to get to the bottom of that, rather than tucking your tail and running.
Respect
Last edited by Razor; 08-29-2012 at 11:49 AM.
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The generic companies always say get yourself tested but they know you can't test the powder for being an active hormone so they are putting something in what would knock out your ranges or imply you have a higher level of gh, some cases they put fuk all in it. I'm more pissed than anything because u buy thousands of ius and also pass a lot of business there way so it was hard but after 4 separate now coming to me I had no choice.
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Lets say you got real IGF-1 not LR3...would it help you at all?
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Yes igf-1 would help but not lr3 shite
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How much is the production cost diff btw IGF-1 and GH?
Here 2mg if HGH frag are $38.00
http://www.ar-r.com/peptides.html
So 3.3mg of GH from Anki is what?
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What is the active life of IGF-1?
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that would be amazing if you were to do that . it would be definitive and be a weight off everyones mind although ive heard its prohibitively expensive ?
im certainly thinking about going to the doctor after pining 10 i.u and get a blood test done
getting some sort of test done makes economic sense as either people have large stock they are now unsure of or have to spend money to get another source
for me iam still hoping for a positive outcome or its a blip in production . they are a massive company listed on the stock exchange . they supply hospitals and also make cancer treatments . its not a ugl thats for sure !!! so im hoping that they are trying to cover up a situation / mistake that has happened rather than the worse case scenario of intentionally supplying snide gear.
chinese / asians will cover up and lie about a mistake even a small one meanwhile they will try to rectify the situation but would never admit to it - this is the situation im hope for
iam a new member here and for what its worth i also greatly appreciate marcus's time and information on here
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I seriously doubt that it's a production mistake.. Possibly and probably only products sold to U.S. or other countries on a retail level would be more likely. I'm pretty sure the hospitals and commercial accounts, doc's etc in Asia and maybe elsewhere are receiving quality products. They would be more subject to legal ramifications if hospitals etc were receiving bad product.
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yes i understand what your saying but to me this is why im suspicious. why would they be making real hgh for some . stop the process and then fill a few with bunk and then continue on making the real stuff . they are either makin real hgh or they are not . i dont believe theyd be making real hgh for some and not for others
i dont want to go too conspiracy theory but ....... maybe nancy and a couple of others are making money on the side supplying bunk gear with all the correct labelling ?
anyway for me the most logical situation for a massive pharma company like that is they have had a few quality control mistakes that they know about but wont admit to and they have or will rectify the problem and continue production / supply . theyve got the licences and all accreditation which will have cost them millions to get not to mention the millions of investment. why would they want to f**k up their reputation for the whole company for comparatively small money ?!
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Well, that's a good point, but as I stated, there concerns with what they would be selling online in the U.S. to retail market is separate from there secure business. . They may have discovered that Jin is making millions selling junk. It would be worth it for them to set up lab just for the other market. That lab would not be sophisticated and inexpensive relative to dollars made to set up. If they were inspected through rumors in China, that lab may not even be in same location. It is possible that Nancy whom I don't know may be using there name to operate a side business. In China they do not operate like the U.S. so there scrutiny in there country for what is happening with a bunch of people online is not going to have ramifications like a company such as Phizer or Lily
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I hit the post button by accident before finished.
Just not sure what's up, but you have a point, I just don't believe they could accidentally mfg. fakes. This fake business is not small money.
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