VIT C is a miracle!!!!!!!!!!!!

**Kärnfysikern** · 12-26-2005, 05:04 PM

that is very wierd. I have never heard of any healthy person having a bowel tollerance below 15 grams. Hell I can down 15 grams in one sitting without a problem. I wonder what can cause that low tollerance. Have to try and look it up.

Try to split it up. Take 2 grams each hour instead.

**juicy_brucy** · 12-26-2005, 06:03 PM

Just found the MOTHER LOAD of almost expired 1000mg Vitamin C pills...
120 pills for $1.90. Asorbic Acid though... But I bought them all.
I just downed 8 grams, and will be downing 2 grams every half hour to kill this bug inside of me...
I expect this to work, cause I have done it before on less than half of the doseage...
Lets see what happens when I do it Johan style...
I'll keep you all posted.
I've been sick for 2 days now, (today is day 3).
I will be healthy tomorrow.
either way, i'll post my results.

**swingbatta** · 12-26-2005, 07:32 PM

I will begin taking vit C this week. I was just wondering if it will have any effect on the creatine I am currently taking.

**Kärnfysikern** · 12-27-2005, 05:17 AM

let us know juicy

swingbatta it will have no effect whatsoever. Maby increase creatine efficiency somewhat since it increases insulin sensitivity. So theoreticaly it could make absorbation of creatin slightely better in the same was a r-ala, vanadyl sulphate or glucophage does.

**Kärnfysikern** · 12-31-2005, 05:13 AM

yeah 15 grams is good

Divide up as much as possible.

**Papi93** · 12-31-2005, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by johan

yeah 15 grams is good

Divide up as much as possible.

Thanks Johan. It looks like I'm going to have to bump it up 7g.

**juicy_brucy** · 12-31-2005, 12:38 PM

I feel 100% better...
I feel as if nothing had a chance with the Vitamin C at those doses.
Great advice Johan. Vitamin C is underrated as you said.
Thanks once again Johan.
BTW, it took no more than 48 hours to totally kill whatever bug was inside of me....

**wolfyEVH** · 12-31-2005, 09:18 PM

found some interesting things on vitamin c...

"I noticed that it was not entirely clear that the dramatic effects are always with ascorbic acid orally and sodium ascorbate intravenously. I have not been able to achieve the ascorbate effect with mineral ascorbates orally. Mineral ascorbates are fine forms of vitamin C but when you are really sick, the mitochondria are failing in their refueling of the free radical scavengers with electrons. The ascorbic acid carries 2 extra electrons per molecule where the mineral ascorbates seem to carry only one (plus per molecule the mineral ascorbates are heavier due to the mineral weighing more than the hydrogen the mineral replaces). So the mineral ascorbates are not potent enough to accomplish the ascorbate effect. There may be other reasons that we do not appreciate additionally. " - Robert Cathcart, MD.

also there is a difference in ascorbic acids.....

http://www.antiaging-systems.com/extract/vitaminc.htm

this article states that the l-ascorbic acid is the only beneficial form, and the d-ascorbic is just a waste.....so i go looking for bulk powder online and i see this site....

http://www.msm-msm.com/bulkaa.html

as you can see they sell it for 10bucks a pound, but look at the last sentence, "Please note that this item is not L-ascorbic acid"

**spywizard** · 01-08-2006, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by wolfyEVH

found some interesting things on vitamin c...

"I noticed that it was not entirely clear that the dramatic effects are always with ascorbic acid orally and sodium ascorbate intravenously. I have not been able to achieve the ascorbate effect with mineral ascorbates orally. Mineral ascorbates are fine forms of vitamin C but when you are really sick, the mitochondria are failing in their refueling of the free radical scavengers with electrons. The ascorbic acid carries 2 extra electrons per molecule where the mineral ascorbates seem to carry only one (plus per molecule the mineral ascorbates are heavier due to the mineral weighing more than the hydrogen the mineral replaces). So the mineral ascorbates are not potent enough to accomplish the ascorbate effect. There may be other reasons that we do not appreciate additionally. " - Robert Cathcart, MD.

also there is a difference in ascorbic acids.....

http://www.antiaging-systems.com/extract/vitaminc.htm

this article states that the l-ascorbic acid is the only beneficial form, and the d-ascorbic is just a waste.....so i go looking for bulk powder online and i see this site....

http://www.msm-msm.com/bulkaa.html

as you can see they sell it for 10bucks a pound, but look at the last sentence, "Please note that this item is not L-ascorbic acid"

http://www.bizrate.com/buy/superfind...8,sfsk--1.html

list of powder sources for l-ascorbic acid

**wolfyEVH** · 12-31-2005, 10:30 PM

High-dose ascorbic acid increases intercourse frequency and improves mood: a randomized controlled clinical trial.

Brody S.

Center for and the Psychosomatic and Psychobiological Research, University of Trier, Germany.

BACKGROUND: Ascorbic acid (AA) modulates catecholaminergic activity, decreases stress reactivity, approach anxiety and prolactin release, improves vascular function, and increases oxytocin release. These processes are relevant to sexual behavior and mood. METHODS: In this randomized double-blind, placebo-controlled 14 day trial of sustained-release AA (42 healthy young adults; 3000 mg/day Cetebe) and placebo (39 healthy young adults), subjects with partners recorded penile-vaginal intercourse (FSI), noncoital partner sex, and masturbation in daily diaries, and also completed the Beck Depression Inventory before and after the trial. RESULTS: The AA group reported greater FSI (but, as hypothesized, not other sexual behavior) frequency, an effect most prominent in subjects not cohabiting with their sexual partner, and in women. The AA but not placebo group also experienced a decrease in Beck Depression scores. CONCLUSIONS: AA appears to increase FSI, and the differential benefit to noncohabitants suggests that a central activation or disinhibition, rather than peripheral mechanism may be responsible.

**Kärnfysikern** · 01-01-2006, 05:25 AM

interesting about ascorbic acid beeing more effective when sic. Got to try that when I am sic next time. I dont think there is any worry about the d-aa I have never seen it sold anywhere here in sweden atleast. Odd that that page sells d-aa.

**Kärnfysikern** · 01-01-2006, 05:37 AM

this book might interest some. Its a book from 1976 about vitamin c written by by Irwin stone. It can be found entirely on this site.

http://vitamincfoundation.org/stone/

**Kärnfysikern** · 01-01-2006, 05:38 AM

this site sells good ascorbic acid

http://vitamincfoundation.org/mcart/

**Kärnfysikern** · 01-01-2006, 05:45 AM

this is a fairly large supplement store so they should have the right kind. I dont think d-aa can be sold as "vitamin c"

http://www.bronsonvitamins.com/app/s...tm?&item_id=50

**NeedPaintoGain** · 01-02-2006, 06:50 PM

Hey Johan, What do you think about chewable vitamin C's? Are they best to take with a meal or can they be taken at any time? I always took 3G's a day and I rarely if ever get sick, but I want to bump it up now.

**Kärnfysikern** · 01-04-2006, 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by NeedPaintoGain

Hey Johan, What do you think about chewable vitamin C's? Are they best to take with a meal or can they be taken at any time? I always took 3G's a day and I rarely if ever get sick, but I want to bump it up now.

At any time is fine

But I much prefer powders since tabs has all kinds of fillers and stuff.

Originally Posted by BIGPHIL

I only take one gram of vitamin c a day wat would i expect if i took another 3grams or so..

There wouldnt be much noticable difference. I "notice" things only when I go above 10 grams.

Originally Posted by KingJames23

I have been taking the vitamin c for like 2 days now and already feeling good, Great ADVICE!!

**BIGPHIL** · 01-04-2006, 10:27 AM

Im using VITAMIN C as Ascorbic acid 1000mg
with:-
citrus bioflavonoids 25mg
Rose hips 20 mg

I am going to take 8 grams daily and see how this affects me that means 8 tablets..any good reccomendations about taking them i.e spaceage of dosages e.t.c.... I am still 18 does this matter???

**KingJames23** · 01-02-2006, 08:36 PM

I have been taking the vitamin c for like 2 days now and already feeling good, Great ADVICE!!

**BIGPHIL** · 01-03-2006, 03:21 AM

I only take one gram of vitamin c a day wat would i expect if i took another 3grams or so..

**Tkarrde** · 01-03-2006, 02:30 PM

This article may prove interesting:

http://www.avantlabs.com/magmain.php...430&issueID=35

**Tkarrde** · 01-03-2006, 02:30 PM

This article may prove interesting:

http://www.avantlabs.com/magmain.php...430&issueID=35

**Myka** · 01-03-2006, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by Tkarrde

This article may prove interesting:

http://www.avantlabs.com/magmain.php...430&issueID=35

Good read...

Seems to go along with what johan has said...I would like to read more about the 100s of grams of Vit C taken through IV...Does anyone have that study available?...

**Kärnfysikern** · 01-04-2006, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by Tkarrde

This article may prove interesting:

http://www.avantlabs.com/magmain.php...430&issueID=35

Exactly what I have been preaching

Originally Posted by NewKid

Good read...

Seems to go along with what johan has said...I would like to read more about the 100s of grams of Vit C taken through IV...Does anyone have that study available?...

Are you refering to something in the article(I just skimmed through it). Or something I have mentioned in this thread?

**Myka** · 01-04-2006, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by johan

Are you refering to something in the article(I just skimmed through it). Or something I have mentioned in this thread?

You mentioned that people taking 100s of grams were losing weight dramatically...I think I would like to try this just so I could know(without the IV haha). Also have you tried the grape seed extract? I read that it was 20 times more powerful than Vit C. I wonder if you would need to take it in a much larger than recommended dose like the Vit C...

**Kärnfysikern** · 01-04-2006, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by NewKid

You mentioned that people taking 100s of grams were losing weight dramatically...I think I would like to try this just so I could know(without the IV haha). Also have you tried the grape seed extract? I read that it was 20 times more powerful than Vit C. I wonder if you would need to take it in a much larger than recommended dose like the Vit C...

Ahh yeah. That is a article by charles poliquin(I can never spell this dudes name right but I recon you recognise the name). He made no references to medical studies and I havent been able to find anything about it on pubmed. Poliquin says that he got the idea when he get iv ascorbate treatment for a recluse(sp??) spider bite and noticed he went hypo and lost bf from that. So he contacted Dr Tom Levy(author of Vitamin c, curing the incurable)and got his advice on how to proceed. Poliquin claims it both burns fat and increases performance.
Here is the article and some discussion about it on ********
http://www.bodyofscience.com/issues/...5_poliquin.pdf

http://www.*************/readTopic.d...59121&pageNo=0

But there is no possible way to get to those dosages oraly. It wont do any good you will just shit it straight out

I do personaly noticed weightloss when I use 15-20 grams each day. Not a dramatic effect, my fatloss had stalled and when I started doing it I started losing around 1ib/week again.

I have used grape seed extract. When they say its 20 times as powerfull as vitamin c they just mean its 20 times as potent as antioxidant but it doesnt have the same effects as vitamin c. Most antioxidants have a few specific free radicals they target. Also I wouldnt know if using lots of grape seed extract would be safe

**G-Force** · 01-04-2006, 05:15 AM

johan how much do u get your ascorbic acid powder for

ive seen it for 250g @ £13 on the net - is this good

also what are your opinions on

Vitamin C - Calcium Ascorbate Powder
Vitamin C - Sodium Ascorbate Powder
Vitamin C - Magnesium Ascorbate Powder

which ones best?

**Kärnfysikern** · 01-04-2006, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by G-Force

johan how much do u get your ascorbic acid powder for

ive seen it for 250g @ £13 on the net - is this good

also what are your opinions on

Vitamin C - Calcium Ascorbate Powder
Vitamin C - Sodium Ascorbate Powder
Vitamin C - Magnesium Ascorbate Powder

which ones best?

I pay about 5 euro for 90 grams so your price looks good

those damn americans can get it much cheaper then us europeans.

Sodium ascorbate is what I use most of the time. Sodium has no ill effects in high dosages(only sodium chloride is linked to raised blood pressure) so its the most convinient mineral ascorbate. I would go with magnesium ascorbate if I could find it cheap. I wouldnt use calcium ascorbate since I am cautious about using to much calcium.

So go with either ascorbic acid or sodium ascorbate. Be cautious with ascorbic acid if you have a sensitive stomach. Otherwise its good. I have noticed that when I go to bowel tollerance with sodium ascorbate I get bad stomach pains. When I go to bowel tollerance with ascorbic acid I just get pain free dihareea. Dont know if this is just me or something general.

**G-Force** · 01-04-2006, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by johan

I pay about 5 euro for 90 grams so your price looks good

those damn americans can get it much cheaper then us europeans.

Sodium ascorbate is what I use most of the time. Sodium has no ill effects in high dosages(only sodium chloride is linked to raised blood pressure) so its the most convinient mineral ascorbate. I would go with magnesium ascorbate if I could find it cheap. I wouldnt use calcium ascorbate since I am cautious about using to much calcium.

So go with either ascorbic acid or sodium ascorbate. Be cautious with ascorbic acid if you have a sensitive stomach. Otherwise its good. I have noticed that when I go to bowel tollerance with sodium ascorbate I get bad stomach pains. When I go to bowel tollerance with ascorbic acid I just get pain free dihareea. Dont know if this is just me or something general.

all of them seem to be practically the same price
i think i will try the ascorbate acid first (which is actually £1 cheaper

)

i did see your thread on experimenting with this and i did try it at 8g a day but this was orally and got too expensive so gave up

i will try the powder at a higher dose - ive got really bad knees too, so i hope it helps like it did with you

**Kärnfysikern** · 01-04-2006, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by G-Force

i will try the powder at a higher dose - ive got really bad knees too, so i hope it helps like it did with you

Im sure it will

Originally Posted by BIGPHIL

Im using VITAMIN C as Ascorbic acid 1000mg
with:-
citrus bioflavonoids 25mg
Rose hips 20 mg

I am going to take 8 grams daily and see how this affects me that means 8 tablets..any good reccomendations about taking them i.e spaceage of dosages e.t.c.... I am still 18 does this matter???

1 gram each hour or 2grams every other hour or so. Something like that is a good spacing. Age wont matter

**BIGPHIL** · 01-10-2006, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by G-Force

johan how much do u get your ascorbic acid powder for

ive seen it for 250g @ £13 on the net - is this good

also what are your opinions on

Vitamin C - Calcium Ascorbate Powder
Vitamin C - Sodium Ascorbate Powder
Vitamin C - Magnesium Ascorbate Powder

which ones best?

WHAT IS THE LINK FOR THIS 250G FOR 13 QUID

**G-Force** · 01-11-2006, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by BIGPHIL

WHAT IS THE LINK FOR THIS 250G FOR 13 QUID

www.homeherbs.com

**Kärnfysikern** · 01-04-2006, 06:41 AM

http://www.t - nation.com/readTopic.do;jsessionid=043501647EE7A09A52432AD365 D4BFCD.hydra?id=559121&pageNo=0

**Kärnfysikern** · 01-04-2006, 06:42 AM

copy the link, remove the spaces and paste i into your browser adress field. If I dont space it it gets screwed up.

**joeybenz** · 01-04-2006, 04:43 PM

I tried the NOW brand sodium ascorbat and it screwed my stomach up any of you guys have that same problem

**swingbatta** · 01-05-2006, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by joeybenz

I tried the NOW brand sodium ascorbat and it screwed my stomach up any of you guys have that same problem

I have been taking the NOW sodium ascorbate for about a week adn a half. I started with 8g and have worked up to 12g without any side effects. i guess some people just have a lower tolerance for the stuff.

**Kärnfysikern** · 01-05-2006, 02:15 AM

joeybenz screwed up in what way??? if I take a huge dosage of sodium ascorbate I get stomach pains and gas like a mofo.

**joeybenz** · 01-05-2006, 08:10 AM

yeah I get really bad gas pains i tried to split the dose up for 5x within a day but It didn't work after the 2nd dose my stomach started killing me so I stop using it

**Kärnfysikern** · 01-05-2006, 02:25 PM

joey try to switch to ascorbic acid instead

**joeybenz** · 01-05-2006, 02:29 PM

Is there any type of dose I should keep it at and do you recommend a brand--I'm looking at the NOW brand

**operationgetbig** · 01-05-2006, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by joeybenz

Is there any type of dose I should keep it at and do you recommend a brand--I'm looking at the NOW brand

what dose? from what im reading it seems like u guys are saying anywhere from 8-12 grams. am i right?

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