israel and the white phosphorus use....guilty or not guilty

[*RAGE*]

And indeed, God is Most Great. Allahu Akbar.

I know what it means and also what Allahu akbar mean heard it as I was hitting the ground..And I was not making fun you just making a statement......If I wanted to make fun of you it would get a lot dirtier than this but I will not go to that level...

[Dinosaur]

I know what it means and also what Allahu akbar mean heard it as I was hitting the ground..And I was not making fun you just making a statement......If I wanted to make fun of you it would get a lot dirtier than this but I will not go to that level...

no problem. we are all here to learn fromt each others wether its religion, culture or science..etc. the main thing is to express our selves and talk with respect about the other side that we don't hear of especially, from the main stream media.
but surely, i will not except anyone making fun of the other one no matter what your believes are.
jokes are allowed though....cheers.

[*RAGE*]

And indeed, God is Most Great. Allahu Akbar.

god is most great while firing rockets at people...and you dont see something wrong with this....?????????????????????????????????????????

[Dinosaur]

god is most great while firing rockets at people...and you dont see something wrong with this....?????????????????????????????????????????

he was not firing rockets at civilians. just correction.

[BuffedGuy]

god is most great while firing rockets at people...and you dont see something wrong with this....?????????????????????????????????????????

Not at all. They are firing rockets at soldiers who have occupied their home and country. I believe in holy war. What I demand, however, is that it be a just war. The Iraqis are defending their land from colonial occupation, and there can be nothing more just or righteous than this. This is when a Jihad (holy struggle) is ordained upon the conquered peoples, i.e. the Iraqis. It is not something that I feel we need to be revisionist about. Rather, we are proud that our religion says that Muslims should defend their lands, which the Iraqis will do, tooth and nail. If this generation cannot secure its freedom, then the next will, and if not the next, then the next after that. Our religion tells us to love and prefer peace over war, but if the enemy occupies our lands, then dying like men is better than oppression and humiliation. It is better to die standing rather than living on one's knees. Victory is from God alone. Allahu Akbar.

[Dinosaur]

well, i dont know from this video, if a bomb goes off you might be ok...

and just for referance he shot off like 5 rockest in about 20 seconds... 200 a day is very accurate, as for the cost? does any one know what those rockets cost? how bout a new arm or hand? i would have asked how much a new black hat cost but he def wont be needing that...

the video you posted is from iraq not palastine.
and i don't know what's the point of posting it? and i don't see anyhting sacrcastic about the guy he died fighting for his contry is it a crime to do that? is it diffrent from what we hear in the news when they tell us friendly fire got cut up between the coalition forces or the hlicopter got shut down due to mechanical problem.

[BuffedGuy]

the video you posted is from iraq not palastine.

lol this is the "proof" that the guy uses.

Next thing you know he will be posting videos from the GI Joe cartoon as a proof. But if you post a link from CNN, beware, that's just not realistic!

and i don't see anyhting sacrcastic about the guy he died fighting for his contry is it a crime to do that?

May God enter him into the highest ranks in Paradise.

is it diffrent from what we hear in the news when they tell us friendly fire got cut up between the coalition forces or the hlicopter got shut down due to mechanical problem.

Yes, it is different. He's a dirty Saracen, not a Crusader.

[*RAGE*]

cnn news confirms that israel has indeed used a deadly weapon known as white phosphorus, yet they got away with it.
i don't have a prejudice against no side here, just standing for the truth that's all. if you want to comment, please do but, with respect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQWl_uQKxOI

I don't have a prejudice against no side here, I think that has changed. Most of what I have posted here is that it does not matter if it is white phosphorus or other kinds of explosives they all kill, (which I have stated before it does not matter what is in the bombs or rockets they all injury or kill people..I think this thread has been taken way out ..and now it is them against us. Americans are not killing people in Gaze. Israel is hunting Hamas in Gaze and as I have stated before innocent people are getting killed and injuried and that is sad. Every war in history innocent people have died that is part of war....It is not the soldiers fault they are just doing there job and trying to come home..charrif I understand where you are coming from but this is just a fact of life....

[Dinosaur]

don't have a prejudice against no side here, I think that has changed. Most of what I have posted here is that it does not matter if it is white phosphorus or other kinds of explosives they all kill, (which I have stated before it does not matter what is in the bombs or rockets they all injury or kill people..I think this thread has been taken way out ..and now it is them against us. Americans are not killing people in Gaze. Israel is hunting Hamas in Gaze and as I have stated before innocent people are getting killed and injuried and that is sad. Every war in history innocent people have died that is part of war....It is not the soldiers fault they are just doing there job and trying to come home..charrif I understand where you are coming from but this is just a fact of life....

i see where you are standing and i agree with you. but some things needs to be cleared.

the U.S is shipping money and weapons to israel so those weapons that they are using against palastinians are indeed american made along with f16's and palastinian people know that very well that's why you can see the hate against america in the middle east is growing tremendously, and as we all know that violence will only begets violence.

please, don't missunderstand my view of the situation, i have nothing against the U.S. however, america needs to change its policies in the region, be fair with everybody wether you are arab or israeli and we want to restore peace back and hold talks cause i believe that this is the only way to solve this issues and they can be done if we want to get them done. this the ideal america that i know, so which side do we want to stand on.
i respect your views.
peace.

[amcon]

ya i look at this that way too... here to see the other side... bust balls just a little along the way...

much respect charrif, prone, and others including buffedguy.

[Dinosaur]

ya i look at this that way too... here to see the other side... bust balls just a little along the way...

much respect charrif, prone, and others including buffedguy.

you are welcome.

[*RAGE*]

We should call this the Rodney King thread...(can't we all just get along) LOL

[*RAGE*]

^^^that was wrote on you original post

[RangersLTW]

[*RAGE*]

what up my brother enjoying the show.lmao

[RangersLTW]

kinda

[RangersLTW]

sorry but I had to do this no offense.......but now I have this cadence in my head
I've been told it's not so neat,
To catch ****** burning in the street,
But burning flesh, it smells to sweet,
Napalm sticks to ****

[amcon]

what are the asterics??? come on i have a beat in my head to now and it is not totally right cause i dont know how to pronounce the asterics??!??!?! where is the justice!!!

[RangersLTW]

I don't want to get banned for this cadence......may be to much

[Dinosaur]

you have to, let me say that again, have to!!! respect israel's view... they were given the land of cannan... (in the first five books in the bible) and they will own it totally again some day. the time after moses say the land and did not enter to the comming of the messiha, that land and the inhabitance will have a true holly war!!! the cannanites are a curese nation, cursed with having to fight and never have peace.

and that my friend is the holly war. and if you can have that view against israel, they can have it against you

we want to leave with israel side by side in peace. just like the chritians and the muslims in jerusalam, you will never hear problems going on between the two. that's the ideal leaving iam talking about with mutual respect and peace.

[FallenWyvern]

I have wondered if all of this violence is god's(Allah's) will. Maybe god wants this to happen. He is all powerful after all... The only reason I thought of this is BuffedGuy always says god willing.


The other thing is that Israel is out of line on this for sure. I know that many people think that America should step aside forever with the mindless support of Israel. We need the money back home right now anyways.

[NightWolf]

Islam the religon of peace,


Buffguy do you think this looks peaceful?

[BuffedGuy]

Islam the religon of peace,


Buffguy do you think this looks peaceful?

Your pictures/images haven't been approved yet by the mods, so I can't see them. But I am expecting the worst, lol. Maybe a few angry guys burning effigies or with Death to this or that signs. Or a suicide bomber...Let's wait and see...

[NightWolf]

Your pictures/images haven't been approved yet by the mods, so I can't see them. But I am expecting the worst, lol. Maybe a few angry guys burning effigies or with Death to this or that signs. Or a suicide bomber...Let's wait and see...

Something in that direction

Anyway what i wanted to say to you was
that i saw that you sometimes said that the
extremeists are only 5% of the muslim world.

I have to to disagre very much here,
I live in Europe and i see things and acts
that you who live in the US do not see.

In my area where i live the muslims are VERY
hostile against the way we chose to live here.
The majority of them are wahabias.

If its only 5% that are hostile then i want to know
where the remaining 90% is hiding, Im not saying
every muslim in sweden are extremeists and hostile
but they do seem to be more of them then the
other part.

Here is the video for the pictures i posted:

http://se.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM

[BuffedGuy]

Something in that direction

Anyway what i wanted to say to you was
that i saw that you sometimes said that the
extremeists are only 5% of the muslim world.

I have to to disagre very much here,
I live in Europe and i see things and acts
that you who live in the US do not see.

In my area where i live the muslims are VERY
hostile against the way we chose to live here.
The majority of them are wahabias.

If its only 5% that are hostile then i want to know
where the remaining 90% is hiding, Im not saying
every muslim in sweden are extremeists and hostile
but they do seem to be more of them then the
other part.

Here is the video for the pictures i posted:

http://se.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM

I responded to your post here:

http://forums.steroid.com/showpost.p...&postcount=339

I thought it best to reply in my thread, since it is relevant there, not here.

[Dinosaur]

Something in that direction

Anyway what i wanted to say to you was
that i saw that you sometimes said that the
extremeists are only 5% of the muslim world.

I have to to disagre very much here,
I live in Europe and i see things and acts
that you who live in the US do not see.

In my area where i live the muslims are VERY
hostile against the way we chose to live here.
The majority of them are wahabias.

If its only 5% that are hostile then i want to know
where the remaining 90% is hiding, Im not saying
every muslim in sweden are extremeists and hostile
but they do seem to be more of them then the
other part.

Here is the video for the pictures i posted:

http://se.youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM

i lived in france and i have relatives in europe.
in france, its hard to survive as moslim or immgrant especially if you are black.
the first problem you face once you move there is rent. some places they wont lease you no apartment if you fall in the above categories unless the landlord is blind.
job wise its kind like 50/50 chance to find an employer that is an open minded to hire you. if you loose your job it will take you forever to find an altenative unless you want to clean cars. even this days its hard to find that kind of job.
now i find it very hipocritical for france and some other contries to control the way you dress. for example, a single mother has 3 kids she leaves her house with scraf on her head but once she gets to work she will take it off, simply because its the "law". what kind of law is that. if they claim that they have "democracy", how do you think this woman or her kids are feeling?
iam not saying all the frensh are bad people nor trying to offend any one.

talking about danmark, look at carton they made, what's the point of doing that? did it serve any peace? or did it build bridges?
it simply created more tensions and more violence. now if i know that something would peace you off why would i do it? not only that, i would repeat doing it. i see that's the kind of behaviour that creates extrimists. now who started it?

[amcon]

Islam the religon of peace,


Buffguy do you think this looks peaceful?

i have not looked for the actuall vrs but in the bible (not sure if it is new test or old test) but it states that the decendents of Abraham though his hand maid, not his wife sharah... will be a cursed nation, cursed with unrest and tribulation(discrimination and fighting). gennerally that will be the non jewish mid eastern people...

[Tock]

i have not looked for the actuall vrs but in the bible (not sure if it is new test or old test) but it states that the decendents of Abraham though his hand maid, not his wife sharah... will be a cursed nation, cursed with unrest and tribulation(discrimination and fighting). gennerally that will be the non jewish mid eastern people...

Just wanted to add a parenthetical note to this conversation . . .

Abraham's adventures are chronicled in the Book of Genesis, in the Old Testament. As you know, Genesis depicts the creation of the universe, which, according to Creation Scientists
http://www.icr.org/recent-universe/
happened some 8000 years ago.

What is seldom mentioned amongst Christians, though, is the unhappy fact that the author of Genesis is unknown. What is an even bigger secret is the unpleasant fact that the person who wrote Genesis, who obviously was personally acquainted with both Adam and Eve, Noah, Lot, and Abraham (all noted personalities who pre-dated Moses and Pharoah), but also knew about the Kings of Israel, who lived about 1000 BC.
We know this is true because the writer of Genesis said: "And these are the kings that reigned in the land of Edom, before there reigned any king over the children of Israel." (Genesis 36:31) So, we can deduce from this bit of trivia that this anonymous writer was either several thousand years old (much older than Methusalah), or wasn't several thousand years old, which would mean that the stories in the Book of Genesis were not written until several thousand years after they happened, and then by someone who's identity is completely unknown to us.

Now . . . if this is what you're going to base your position on, proceed away . . .

[amcon]

Just wanted to add a parenthetical note to this conversation . . .

Abraham's adventures are chronicled in the Book of Genesis, in the Old Testament. As you know, Genesis depicts the creation of the universe, which, according to Creation Scientists
http://www.icr.org/recent-universe/
happened some 8000 years ago.

What is seldom mentioned amongst Christians, though, is the unhappy fact that the author of Genesis is unknown. What is an even bigger secret is the unpleasant fact that the person who wrote Genesis, who obviously was personally acquainted with both Adam and Eve, Noah, Lot, and Abraham (all noted personalities who pre-dated Moses and Pharoah), but also knew about the Kings of Israel, who lived about 1000 BC.
We know this is true because the writer of Genesis said: "And these are the kings that reigned in the land of Edom, before there reigned any king over the children of Israel." (Genesis 36:31) So, we can deduce from this bit of trivia that this anonymous writer was either several thousand years old (much older than Methusalah), or wasn't several thousand years old, which would mean that the stories in the Book of Genesis were not written until several thousand years after they happened, and then by someone who's identity is completely unknown to us.

Now . . . if this is what you're going to base your position on, proceed away . . .

i will be happy to correct you:

moses wrote the book. and it was written to the people of Israel. date written 1450 - 1410. setting the region presently know as the middle east.

purpose: TO RECORD GOD'S CREATION OF THE WORLD AND HIS DESIRE TO HAVE A A PEOPLE SET APART TO WORSHIP HIM

so, lets review who wrote the book? = moses
again, review how could he have written the book? = God

is that so hard to believe? do you have kids? have you ever taught them something? like riding a bike?

well, if you did, did you tell them exactally what to do? and instruct them on what to do? and guide them perfectly not to let them fall and hurt them selves? so it was written by the God who new all the people you quoted.


focus real good here:
your cut and paste - "And these are the kings that reigned in the land of Edom, before there reigned any king over the children of Israel." (Genesis 36:31)

how does disprove or prove any thing in regards to the age of the other?...


"and these are the presidents that reigned in the land of the United States of America, Before there reigned any president of the United Nations."


i am 37 years old and i just wrote that ... not thousands, and i didnt need to know each person to include them into this post.

so, if you're going to base you salvation on, the bogus info you posted proceed away... just buy an asbestos suit you will need it where you maybe going -

but - if you dont want to go there, then just start believing the bible - reading it will help - not reading what other read and reported as trivia

[BuffedGuy]

i have not looked for the actuall vrs but in the bible (not sure if it is new test or old test) but it states that the decendents of Abraham though his hand maid, not his wife sharah... will be a cursed nation, cursed with unrest and tribulation(discrimination and fighting). gennerally that will be the non jewish mid eastern people...

Kind of like the Curse of Ham.

[amcon]

Kind of like the Curse of Ham.

yes that was what i could not think of thanks...

[*RAGE*]

I have wondered if all of this violence is god's(Allah's) will. Maybe god wants this to happen. He is all powerful after all... The only reason I thought of this is BuffedGuy always says god willing.


The other thing is that Israel is out of line on this for sure. I know that many people think that America should step aside forever with the mindless support of Israel. We need the money back home right now anyways.

What? I am sorry, I was looking at your avatar....

[BuffedGuy]

The other thing is that Israel is out of line on this for sure. I know that many people think that America should step aside forever with the mindless support of Israel. We need the money back home right now anyways.

Right on the money. Thank you.

[amcon]

I have wondered if all of this violence is god's(Allah's) will. Maybe god wants this to happen. He is all powerful after all... The only reason I thought of this is BuffedGuy always says god willing.


The other thing is that Israel is out of line on this for sure. I know that many people think that America should step aside forever with the mindless support of Israel. We need the money back home right now anyways.

"The Jews will be gathered together(as they are now in the land occupied by the nation of Israel)for a Final battle between Muslims and Jews."

^^^^---- this is generally agreed by muslims, jews and christians alike,

!!!!!!!and heck ya i think we should be keep all the monies in the usa, not giving a penny out right now!!!

their is a judgment that God after he takes his thrown on earth, will judge the nations, (goat and sheep nations) i have heard/studied from several eschatologists that this is the most probable reason why a christian nation gives it support to the nation of israel, (europe as well)

does the koran talk of such judgment? that is judgment of nations? not just people...?????

[BuffedGuy]

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[jimmyinkedup]

holy war - a greater oxymoron never existed.......

[RangersLTW]

I found the problem and I know who is behind this all........look I got a pic of him.....bad squirrell

[amcon]

I found the problem and I know who is behind this all........look I got a pic of him.....bad squirrell

where did that damn squirrell go???!!?!?!

[FallenWyvern]

I need to stop reading these threads.

[BuffedGuy]

FallenWyvern, I've posted in the Ask a Muslim thread in regards to the cartoon issue. Please feel free to ask follow up questions or give input after you read it. Peace.