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I started a test e (500mg/w)+ dianabol (50mg/day) cycle. In the first week i took about 10 lbs and i got psychological effects such as more energy, power feeling, more confidence and such. But since then i didn't increase. my weight's been at 166 for the last 5 days, i workout daily, eat way more than enough....what's wrong?
ive started my first CC 16 days ago.
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What are your full stats?
What does your diet look like?
Whats does your training routine look like?
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Jesus, your 18yrs old, dont you take advice?
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=404831
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Well 19 now. But we've already been thru this discussion :S...Back on topic.
Stats:
Age: 19
Height: 5 10 "
Weight: 167 (157 when started)
BF%: bout 12% i guess
Cycle Exp: First cycle
PCT Knowledge: Gonna do nolvadex and clomid
Training Exp: 3 years
Diet:
7 AM: Protein shake, 2 fruits, brown bread toasts with peanut butter
10 AM: 3 Eggs and potatoes
1 PM: Workout (2 hours)
3 PM: Shake, orange juice, tuna and turkey
5 PM: Cheese, bread milk and occasionally a mixed salad
8-10 PM: beef, rice and a banana
Training routine:
Monday:
4x6 Bench
3x8 incline dumbells
3x8 decline dumbells
3x8 fly
3x10 triceps dumbell
4x8 close grip bench
3x8 pulley triceps
Tuesday:
4x10 shoulder dumbells
4x8 elevation under jaw
4x12 rotators
4x8 shoulder elevations
Wedsday:
4 biceps exercizes, variates a lot.
3x fore-arm exercices
Thursday:
3x8 seated vertical tractions on the pulley
3x10 seated horizontal tractions on the pulley
3x12 dumbells for the back
3x10 (3 other exercices i dont have time to describe)
Friday:
Abs, pushups, cardio and lower back
Last edited by Exilus; 11-01-2009 at 01:09 PM.
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Your gear is bunk stop taking it ASAP and DON'T EVEN THINK OF TOUCHING ASS FOR ANOTHER 7 YEARS!!!! WTF is wrong with you????
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Well i dont see whats wrong with my diet. I get my 250g protein daily, 800 CH and quite a lot of fats. Vitamins and calories aren't a problem either.
Im not concerned about long-term damage. i asked a specific question and want to know if theres a delay before the effect of the steroids "kicks in". Stop judging me and just answer my question. So far it was worth it just for the psychological effects but it seems no better than antidepressants so i'd like the anabolic effects to come.
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Originally Posted by marcus300
Good answer!
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I may be new, but I gotta say that this is the stupidest thing I have ever read on here. You may THINK you're invincible at 19, but you aren't.
Listen, over the past month of researching about AAS, I have read more than a dozen stories about teens who did exactly what you are doing, and permanently damaged their bodies. Ruined sex drive, inability to perform, a life time of hormone replacement, and serious chronic health issues are all things you are BEGGING to have happen to you with your attitude of wilful ignorance.
LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE HERE! THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!
And remember this old proverb:
"A fool says that he is wise, but a wise man accepts instruction."
Think of it like this:
Right now, you're a trainee on a demolition crew. The senior demolition experts are trying to teach you how far back from the explosion to stand so you won't get hurt. But all YOU care about is blowing up the building. What you refuse to understand is that to make a career out of demolitions, you first need to learn proper safety protocol, otherwise you'll die In an explosion. Sure, the building will still be demolished, and in record time too. But you won't be around to collect the contract fee.
Now, ask yourself this: if you were a demolitions expert, and a brand new employee was refusing to take the safety course, would you let him wire the bomb? Or would you fire him?
Last edited by SunHangDo; 11-01-2009 at 05:07 PM.
Sapiens Fingit Fortunam Sibi
That says it all!
Look, you are eating and working-out incorrectly. This is what I would tell you if you were here to remain natural.
But since you want to use aas, actually you already started, I want to tell you to stop NOW.
Listen to me, ask the vets here how to start a proper pct suddenly to save your inner glands.
In the mean while, get on the diet section, the work-out section and LEARN!
PS
If you want a mate to talk to and understand the reasons that brought you to decide doing such a bad thing to your organism, you can pm me.
I'll be happy to help you out without judging you, after all I were 18 too!
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You know what the hardest thing about building muscle is? Its not training, although that would seem like it, its not trying to find a legit AAS source. None of that. IT IS EATING!
You have to do that last one 7 days a week 365 days a year. Multiple times per day. Eating tasteless chicken. Knocking back olive oil that leaves the bad taste in your mouth. Precooking meals. Hauling food with you to work, vacation, everywhere. I even bring meals when I go see **** buddies. It is dedication. It is hard work. When you are bulking you will be so sick of eating. You will want to vomit. The digestion system has had enough. Keep going.
Do not give me the I eat enough bullshit. You have to eat til you are sick sometimes. It is hard ****ing work. You are young, you have a fast metabolism ,that means it is going to be even harder!! you will have to pile on the calories.
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One of the worst routines I've seen on here..
No legs, no Deadlifts
Senior Member
This is a joke right
You should have checked the boards everyday for months before you started your cycle. Even though you are young/ This is the crapiest diet and workout routine ive seen in a while.
You should start PCT yesterday
and those 10 pounds were water reten. fromn the dbol
you will be losing that and more by the time your done.
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I'm sure your getting pretty steamed about how people are ripping you apart, but let me give you some honest and sincere advice. Please take time to consider this over, I'm not trying to give you bad advice or screw you over (nobody here is) we are just trying to tell you what works and what doesn't from our own experience.
At age 19, you are still producing a very high level of natural testosterone. To tell the truth, I'm only 21, I've been training for 9 years, and my test is still very high compared to many others. This irritates many people because they feel like taking steroids is just flat out unnecessary. Also, at 157 pounds, you can still pack on MUCH MUCH more weight naturally. In fact, with correct training and diet, you could be seeing visible gains and improvements in size and strength every month or two NO JOKE. I have an extremely ectomorphic body type, I eat 5-7 thousand calories a day and I still am having trouble breaking 210 pounds at 6'0", so i know for a fact that for you to weigh at least 190 with a single digit body fat percentage isn't asking too much.
Your problem is most likely in your training. You need to train LESS frequently every week, with fewer sets per body part but MUCH MUCH more intensity and perfect form. I mean train with an intensity so that you can not make one more honest rep without your muscles failing. This will give you growth. Your muscles do not grow unless they are given a task beyond their means, so they have to adapt. If you train very intensely three times a week, with plenty of recuperation time in between workouts, you will gain faster than if you misused steroids and trained poorly. The problem is that genetically normal people like you and me don't recover as fast as naturally muscular and mesomorphic people. They will pack on muscle and recover MUCH faster than the normal person. You simply can not follow a workout routine of living in the gym 2 hours everyday without burning out your body and lowering your own natural testosterone significantly by overtraining. This philosophy is even used by Dorian Yates and Mike Mentzer.
The second part is your diet. It is necessary to up your calorie intake by AT LEAST 2000 calories everyday while on cycle for bulking purposes. You should already be eating much more than you are. After all, the steroids don't actually turn into muscle, it is good quality food that does. If you can not eat that much because you don't have time or enough money to afford the groceries, I recommend that you get the recipe for good weight gaining protein shake with plenty of natural fruits. Don't waste your money on weight gainers from GNC when you can make the same thing in your blender for half the cost.
It's a given that you're already on cycle, so I assume you plan on finishing this cycle at least. Okay, well at least correct your training and diet intake. After this cycle, I really feel as if you have no need to use gear for at least a few more years until you have reached what is your own GENETIC NATURAL MAXIMUM. Otherwise it is a waste of gear. Is it really worth playing with fire when you could achieve the same results much more safely??? The reason is: If you don't know how to train and diet correctly off cycle, you will promptly lose a good 30-50% if not more of your gains once you come OFF cycle. I have seen this happen in my gym all the time. Guys blow up on cycle, throw up huge weights, a few months later they're skinny and weak again.
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Young man your diet looks like you are trying to lose weight... You need to start eating like a ****ing man and you might make some gains......
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You have no idea what your doing,
Your 18yrs old and will cause damage to yourself,
Your eating like a girl just out of school,
You have no natural base,
Come off gear and build a base for the next 5 yrs,
Stay in the diet section and do alot of research,
I doubt you will get advice when you have been told over and over again not to cycle.
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Agree...it's pretty pointless to start gear if you haven't been in the game for awhile. I started lifting when I was 16 and didnt start AAS until 28...and i'm glad i waited that long because I worked by butt off naturally until then...you learn alot about your body, nurition, etc in that time.
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I beg to differ..... you'd blow a gasket if you ate what I eat.....
~Haz~
Anabolic Member
How have you been lifting for 3 years and only weigh in at 157 at 5'10?
Something is wrong bro, gear ain't the answer.
But I don't care its your life do what you want to do. You will learn sooner or later, some people just have to learn the hard way to learn their lesson, I had to.
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This Diet is a FU<KING joke!!!!! You actually think your getting 250g of protein per day????
1) Where is the carbs in morning? unless your eating 10 slices of whole grain toast!
2) 3 eggs WTF??
3) Why are you having shake the same time as tuna & turkey post workout??
4) Where are the carbs post workout????
5) Where is pre bed meal? You need slow digesting protein!!
You need to research diet and workout!! Your diet has less calories than my cutting diet! You need Way more calories to grow with or without AAS!!!
You’re not concerned about shutting your growth plates prematurely?? You not concerned about the high risk of you not recovering your natural testosterone levels to where they should be for a teen and then having to do HRT by the time your 30 y.o (WHICH REQUIRES YOU TO SHOOT TEST EVERYDAY BECAUSE YOUR TEST LEVELS ARE LOW)!!! You think you may be making good gains on the gear now but I’m afraid there is a high risk that these will be the only gains you can make!
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GOOD CATCH!
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could you post a pic so we can see what base you're working with?
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Wow. Im about your height. And i weigh 170pounds now. I was 165 about 4weeks ago. . . . . No jokes here. If you had to eat what i eat for the day. You will pop your eyeballs and collapse after the second meal. Your training routine sucks big time. You aint even working legs there. What you wana look like. A tree. Big upper body and legs like pool cues. 19 and taking gear. Damn i feel sorry for your gf in the next couple years. That thing between your legs would only be good to use as a door stopper when you done with your cycle.
Damn man get you diet in check and work on you routine. Stop the juice while you got time. I dont care if you swear me. Cos i aint the one whos going to mess my life up.
Anabolic Member
Never be too proud to change your workout or diet. Most of the people here have 'been there and done that'. EVERYBODY can learn something here. If everybody is telling you the same thing, then there must be some truth to it. Spend the money for aas on diet. With better diet comes better health, energy, strength, size and fat loss. I am 25 and I finally decided to get nutrition advice. I wish I would have done it much earlier
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We can all expect to read his new post in a few months saying I have ED issues and in another year how he has other issues and a few years from now how he has low natural test levels and needs to go on HRT.
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Most sexual disfunctionnements does not scare me. I am physiologically and psychologically unable to have attirance and/or sex.
And HRT is nothing beside prescribed steroids. So if im diagnostised with HRT (and thats quite a big IF), ill just go on roids for life. Shouldn't be that much of a problem.
Its ok now for the question. After 18 days the effects seem to have kicked in. Took a sudden 5 lbs and got 20% more powerful in gym.
Sapiens Fingit Fortunam Sibi
Use your brain...
You are still on time.
Ask the vets the pct to take in your situation and go for it.
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Listen to yourself man... Your out of control, and everybody here is trying to help you from crashing. Be careful, and wise up because the path your headed right now is not going to be as kind to you as all of the senior members on this forum. Think about it .
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Your diet is terrible. You have no base. You are too young. And you are stubborn. Do you realize starting TRT at 21 or so means injections for maybe 60 years.
Finally i just wanna ask how is 10 pounds gain in a little over 2 weeks nothing
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All you people saying he's to young, how young were you on your first cycle? No lies!
All people i've met that have done AAS in their lives, 99% did their first cycle between 18-20 years old. 99% of all people whining on 18-20 years old people on AAS are in the most of the cases also one of them done their first AAS cycle in ages between 18-20. There is alot hypocrit about this age thing.
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ask those guys about their hrt treatment, but then again your right also, guys start using gear very young and never suffer an ill effect in essense some do some dont but the ones that do have told me how bad it sucks!!!!! and is it worth taking that chance???
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For some it is. Like the ones who have been skinny all their lifes and truly fights for weight gain. Them who already are so unpleased with their bodys they get ashamed every time they look in mirror! For some there is worth taking the risks.
But then all AAS users, young or old, them all take that risk.
Im pretty sure this guy, is pretty well known about his age and what people think about using AAS in his age, and there is no one going to get him get off. Therefor i think its unnecessary to only complain about this and give no help to make the best possible of his cycle.
EXILUS:
You have only been 16 days on testo E, thats around 2 weeks, I hope you'd know it can take atleast 5 weeks for it to kick in? You expected to gain 10 kg on two weeks? Uou have already gained around 10 lbs (5 kg) on 2 weeks of the Dianabola, this is good!
I dont know what you are whining about. Maybe to had a little (much) to high expectations on your cycle (on AAS).
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Sorry broseph, but you do not know 99% of the people on this site. If people here that have been in the aas game for a while give advice...... then they probally know what they are talking about. And if people fight all their life and can't gain weight, then they are doing it wrong. It seems like you all say that you are special and cannot gain weight. Bullshit. You are just not doing it right. If you have a 500ft tapeworm, then maybe
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i admit. I had a run in with sust and dbol last year. I was 21. But i stopped that cycle 4weeks in. And since then got my diet on par. You know. What is the point of getting from 160pound to 175pound using juice. Then cos of a shit diet. Loose it all in a month? Right now i have been gaining a pound every week. Eating right training hard. Dedication to do what i have to do. . . . I will use steroids in the future. When i am not growing naturaly any more. I also taught i couldn gain weight. No matter what i ate in the past i wouldn gain. But once i fixed my diet. Im growing at good rate. So whats the excuse? Juice early and take the easy way out. Or grow through hard work and be happy with what you accomplished. No one is tell him never to juice. We telling him hold on a couple years.
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GOOD STUFF! i got to admit my diet is still sub par the diet has been the hardest part for me but its getting there, i lack consistencyi admit. I had a run in with sust and dbol last year. I was 21. But i stopped that cycle 4weeks in. And since then got my diet on par. You know. What is the point of getting from 160pound to 175pound using juice. Then cos of a shit diet. Loose it all in a month? Right now i have been gaining a pound every week. Eating right training hard. Dedication to do what i have to do. . . . I will use steroids in the future. When i am not growing naturaly any more. I also taught i couldn gain weight. No matter what i ate in the past i wouldn gain. But once i fixed my diet. Im growing at good rate. So whats the excuse? Juice early and take the easy way out. Or grow through hard work and be happy with what you accomplished. No one is tell him never to juice. We telling him hold on a couple years.
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getting used to the diet was hard for me. And at times still is. Consuming that amount of done daily is not easy when for so many years i only ate 1 third of what i eat now, per day. . . But the feeling i get when my bench goes up. When i squat and people look at me. When people i know come up to me and say. Damn you getting big. Keeps me motivated to continue pushing hard. Eating big and growing huge. I admit. Im still small. But from what i was just a couple months ago. Tiny. Thin. Like a twig. And to what im becoming. I have no doubt in my mind to say. Diet first. Juice later.
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Then I must be a real fool, since I started at 36!
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Count me in, I was a fool because I started at 45.
What a little moron saying HRT it snothing more than being on steroids for life like it's a good thing. Yeah having to pin every week to be NORMAL LOL
That's like it's a good thing to be on dialysis as long as you feel normal.
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Great 6th post you ****ing dusche!!!!!!!
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Come on...
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