Keeping hard earned gains after a cycle

[Judah]

Any advice, tricks, tips on keeping hard earned gains after a cycle?

10 weeks: 500mg a week Test-E / 800mg a week Primo / 0.25mg Armidex EOD / 500iu HCG a week

Post: Nolva 40/40/20/20 - Clomid 100/100/50/50

[AD]

a good pct help to bring natty test up as soon as possible.

avoid catabolic state by eating above maintenance.

some supplements like vit c and e to control cortisol.

btw, your clomid dose looks rather high. have you tried your pct before?

[Judah]

a good pct help to bring natty test up as soon as possible.

avoid catabolic state by eating above maintenance.

some supplements like vit c and e to control cortisol.

btw, your clomid dose looks rather high. have you tried your pct before?

I have not ran this PCT. Originally I was going to run the nolva and 250iu hcg post, no clomid. After getting advice on here, everyone said my PCT looked light, I should drop the hcg post and only run it during, and add the 100/100/50/50 of Clomid.

[PaynESTER]

Only thing PCT will allow you to keep is water weight. Not muscle

1 cc of test is so much more than your body ever makes naturally.

So how can you keep the gains on so much lower test?

Look at Larry Scott and Sergio oliva

They never did PCT and doing great in their late 70s

Everyone you know/see in and on magazines do not PCT.

Steroids do not kill people.

Cigarettes and alcohol do.
Narcotics
Pain killers

Not steroids.

[gixxerboy1]

Only thing PCT will allow you to keep is water weight. Not muscle

1 cc of test is so much more than your body ever makes naturally.

So how can you keep the gains on so much lower test?

Look at Larry Scott and Sergio oliva

They never did PCT and doing great in their late 70s

Everyone you know/see in and on magazines do not PCT.

Steroids do not kill people.

Cigarettes and alcohol do.
Narcotics
Pain killers

Not steroids.

stop giving advice. your 21. You even said your just getting into understanding everything. You can hold muscle with pct. What your posting can be dangerous.
you psoted guys in there 70's who are fine.
What about my friend art atwood who dropped dead last year.

[IEatSteroidsMmmm]

stop giving advice. your 21. You even said your just getting into understanding everything. You can hold muscle with pct. What your posting can be dangerous.
you psoted guys in there 70's who are fine.
What about my friend art atwood who dropped dead last year.

your friend did not drop dead from a little test, please go.

you can only hold muscle after PCT if you didn't reach your natty limit... in which case you won't even look like you cycled.

[lovbyts]

Only thing PCT will allow you to keep is water weight. Not muscle

1 cc of test is so much more than your body ever makes naturally.

So how can you keep the gains on so much lower test?

Look at Larry Scott and Sergio oliva

They never did PCT and doing great in their late 70s

Everyone you know/see in and on magazines do not PCT.

Steroids do not kill people.

Cigarettes and alcohol do.
Narcotics
Pain killers

Not steroids.

Now you are preaching NO PCT?
Tick, tick, tick...

[DanB]

^^^^^^^

Troll

[PaynESTER]

No that's the truth brother

I guess jay cutler loves his nolva lmao

You only pop nolva when you have some signs of gyno within a week, boom it's dried up.

[gixxerboy1]

No that's the truth brother

I guess jay cutler loves his nolva lmao

You only pop nolva when you have some signs of gyno within a week, boom it's dried up.

you can compare a pro to the average guy on here. Yes they dont come off. This is also their job.
You think everyone should cycle like a pro. Thats just stupid.
and if you dont think pro's use nolva or ai's on cycle your an wrong

[DanB]

you can compare a pro to the average guy on here. Yes they dont come off. This is also their job.
You think everyone should cycle like a pro. Thats just stupid.
and if you dont think pro's use nolva or ai's on cycle your an wrong

Hmmmmm I reckon a few gram test/tren would give some crazy gyno, make for an interesting look on stage wouldnt it lol

[DanB]

Is the OP a pro BB'er? no he aint, he asking about pct not blast and cruise

And explain to me how you keep no LBM from pct and only water? in detail please

No PCT in 70's? what about amputantions where as now they save limps, electric shock treatment and lobotomy and now they use medication, cancer and your fvcked but now they can treat it? so yeah you continue getting your medical knowledge from 70's, I'll stick to the latest

[PaynESTER]

Lmao HGH goes a long way with high test

Art Atwood didn't die from steroids

Since you were his friend tell me

How many painkillers he was on?
How many Booz did he drink while juicing?

[gixxerboy1]

he died from a heart attack.

[DanB]

So now you have multiple accounts, bye bye

[IEatSteroidsMmmm]

So now you have multiple accounts, bye bye

who has multiple accounts?

[DanB]

You aka paynester

[IEatSteroidsMmmm]

You aka paynester

or i'm someone else who was disgusted with the advice you guys were giving and wanted to come spread some truth as well? who do you think you are?

[DanB]

or i'm someone else who was disgusted with the advice you guys were giving and wanted to come spread some truth as well? who do you think you are?

bahahaha spread the truth, you sound like gh15

so come on then, fill me in on everything you feel the need to correct us on, i could do with a laugh

[IEatSteroidsMmmm]

bahahaha spread the truth, you sound like gh15

so come on then, fill me in on everything you feel the need to correct us on, i could do with a laugh

is that all you have to say? accuse me of being someone else, then shit on me? you sound really mature, can't believe you're regarded as a knowledgeable member here

[DanB]

is that all you have to say? accuse me of being someone else, then shit on me? you sound really mature, can't believe you're regarded as a knowledgeable member here

ok my bad, you just joined up to agree with a troll talking shit

you never answered my question, you say everything wrong here and you feel the need to correct us, so come on then spill

[PaynESTER]

Atwood has his heart attack from painkillers

Just like the people who died in WWE

Painkillers and Booz!

[gixxerboy1]

Atwood has his heart attack from painkillers

Just like the people who died in WWE

Painkillers and Booz!

and you know this how?

[PaynESTER]

I suppose Zyzz died from the steroids too.

Your right. It wasn't his congenital heart defect
And the cocaine, extacsy, and alcohol.

Get real bro. You can't count 10 people who died from steroids
And if you do name 10 people
I guarantee they were not on just roids. As mentioned above.

[gixxerboy1]

ahh to be 21 and know it all.....

[PaynESTER]

I forgot since you are older that means you are smarter...ahhh

[gixxerboy1]

I forgot since you are older that means you are smarter...ahhh

well i am, but that's not the reason. But you seem to know everyone's health issues. What they took even with out ever knowing them.

[PaynESTER]

Everytime someone makes a post first thing you ask about is

PCT.

[gixxerboy1]

guys edit your post. there is no price discussion aloud

[lovbyts]

any bets of if these 2 jokers make it to the end of the day before being banned?

[tboney]

any bets of if these 2 jokers make it to the end of the day before being banned?

There are three of them.... Giving dangerous advice in a few cases... Why are they still here??? Admin or a mod used to be all over this shit?????

[IEatSteroidsMmmm]

any bets of if these 2 jokers make it to the end of the day before being banned?

Banned for what? Knowledgeable members talking down to people that speak out against what you guys parrot all day long like sheep? Yeah, sounds like a bannable offense to me. *rollseyes*

There are three of them.... Giving dangerous advice in a few cases... Why are they still here??? Admin or a mod used to be all over this shit?????

Once again... admins and mods banning people because they're giving conflicting opinions? You're telling me that shutting your system down, kickstarting it, shutting it down, kickstarting it, rinse and repeat 20 more times is better for you than keeping your body in homeostasis?

While I do agree that some people don't want to compete and don't want to get as big as blasting and cruising allows, there are people on this site who have run 8-10-20+ cycles... something tells me they want to get big and are never as big as they want to be if they're still cycling... so why are you feeding them this nonsense that will only hold them back from their goals?

[lovbyts]

Banned for what? Knowledgeable members talking down to people that speak out against what you guys parrot all day long like sheep? Yeah, sounds like a bannable offense to me. *rollseyes*

I dont need to parot, You will have the same experience as me in about another 30 years. Most of us realize you are just another stupid kid who thinks he knows everything like many of us did at your age but as time goes on we realize just how little we knew and wished we had listened to those who had more real life experience than us. We have several more intelegent young members who have listened and are willing to learn from their friends mistakes and our advise. What can you learn from having some friends who did this and that and are all fine when they are 18-22, thats nothing. Check in again when they are 30+ Many here can contest to having problems later down the roard.

Once again... admins and mods banning people because they're giving conflicting opinions? You're telling me that shutting your system down, kickstarting it, shutting it down, kickstarting it, rinse and repeat 20 more times is better for you than keeping your body in homeostasis?

While I do agree that some people don't want to compete and don't want to get as big as blasting and cruising allows, there are people on this site who have run 8-10-20+ cycles... something tells me they want to get big and are never as big as they want to be if they're still cycling... so why are you feeding them this nonsense that will only hold them back from their goals?

Yeah it's called RULES and the Admin gets to make them, change them and carry out banning as he pleases even if you think it's unfair. It's his/their site, not yours. I have seen a lot worse on other sites where even long time members get banned because they report a bogus source who happens to be a sponsor. How fair is that? Either way it doesnt matter, if you dont like how it is find another sandbox. I have seen many like you and your clone come and go here. You will be short lived trying to spread your (Cough) wisdom.

[PaynESTER]

how is it dangerous advice

you guys cycle on and off multiple times a year

thats taking a massive toll on your body

going back and fourth like a swing.

[thex95]

Looks like paynESTER caused such a stir we lost focus haha.

No, **** THAT. I hate when threads with good topics go to the way side because a couple of trolling retards who have clearly not done any research on the matter want to speak up.

BACK TO THE MAIN POINT OF THE THREAD----------------------------------------------------------------------->

For maintaining gains post cycle I believe a few things are most important.

1) do not cut immediately after a cycle. I know a lot of guys due this due to the excess fat gains while on cycle if they are going for a super bulk. I personally believe this to be a big mistake as your already going to be losing size due to going off, so continue to train/eat like your bulking.

2) Use HCG while on cycle. This will make recovery a lot faster and easier meaning you body swill start producing test again a lot quicker assisting in holding on to gains.

3) Eat above your TDEE. Like I said your body will already be reducing a size in bit so combat that by eating a bit above maintenance (I would personally say 500 calories over as you don't want to go to high or else you will increase fat gains, especially post cycle.)

4) Continue to hit the gym hard. I know this sounds extremely obvious but I know there are guys out there that lose that mental edge once they are off. It's like the motivation just goes out the dam window. Keep yourself motivated and try to lift like you're on.

5) Proper PCT consisting of Nolva and Clomid. This will make recovery a lot faster and smoother.

6) Get blood work done. If after PCT your still low on test you may have to take additional steps in ensuring your body once again produces its natural test levels.

That's just my 2 cents. Hope it helps.

[tboney]

No, **** THAT. I hate when threads with good topics go to the way side because a couple of trolling retards who have clearly not done any research on the matter want to speak up.

BACK TO THE MAIN POINT OF THE THREAD----------------------------------------------------------------------->

For maintaining gains post cycle I believe a few things are most important.

1) do not cut immediately after a cycle. I know a lot of guys due this due to the excess fat gains while on cycle if they are going for a super bulk. I personally believe this to be a big mistake as your already going to be losing size due to going off, so continue to train/eat like your bulking.

2) Use HCG while on cycle. This will make recovery a lot faster and easier meaning you body swill start producing test again a lot quicker assisting in holding on to gains.

3) Eat above your TDEE. Like I said your body will already be reducing a size in bit so combat that by eating a bit above maintenance (I would personally say 500 calories over as you don't want to go to high or else you will increase fat gains, especially post cycle.)

4) Continue to hit the gym hard. I know this sounds extremely obvious but I know there are guys out there that lose that mental edge once they are off. It's like the motivation just goes out the dam window. Keep yourself motivated and try to lift like you're on.

5) Proper PCT consisting of Nolva and Clomid. This will make recovery a lot faster and smoother.

6) Get blood work done. If after PCT your still low on test you may have to take additional steps in ensuring your body once again produces its natural test levels.

That's just my 2 cents. Hope it helps.


For mainting size

Good advice.

[PaynESTER]

No, **** THAT. I hate when threads with good topics go to the way side because a couple of trolling retards who have clearly not done any research on the matter want to speak up.

i bet ive done and know more research than you.

thats all i do every chance i get..is research about juice, nutrition, bodybuilding

edit- to put in perspective, ive been researching on one site for

4 days 5 hours 23 mins.

you add up how many hours that is.

[Judah]

No, **** THAT. I hate when threads with good topics go to the way side because a couple of trolling retards who have clearly not done any research on the matter want to speak up.

BACK TO THE MAIN POINT OF THE THREAD----------------------------------------------------------------------->

For maintaining gains post cycle I believe a few things are most important.

1) do not cut immediately after a cycle. I know a lot of guys due this due to the excess fat gains while on cycle if they are going for a super bulk. I personally believe this to be a big mistake as your already going to be losing size due to going off, so continue to train/eat like your bulking.

2) Use HCG while on cycle. This will make recovery a lot faster and easier meaning you body swill start producing test again a lot quicker assisting in holding on to gains.

3) Eat above your TDEE. Like I said your body will already be reducing a size in bit so combat that by eating a bit above maintenance (I would personally say 500 calories over as you don't want to go to high or else you will increase fat gains, especially post cycle.)

4) Continue to hit the gym hard. I know this sounds extremely obvious but I know there are guys out there that lose that mental edge once they are off. It's like the motivation just goes out the dam window. Keep yourself motivated and try to lift like you're on.

5) Proper PCT consisting of Nolva and Clomid. This will make recovery a lot faster and smoother.

6) Get blood work done. If after PCT your still low on test you may have to take additional steps in ensuring your body once again produces its natural test levels.

That's just my 2 cents. Hope it helps.

Solid, good input on the coloric intake after ending cycle. Makes perfect sense.

[gixxerboy1]

yea but your are listening to a moron for your research. Its like researching marriage at a strip bar

[PaynESTER]

yea but your are listening to a moron for your research. Its like researching marriage at a strip bar

lol

im open to many ideas bro. not the only person i research.."FISH KILLER" is very helpful too.

and doesnt blast PCT PCT PCT