Question about Deca

[Eduke93]

Can I ask which compounds you used when you were 18-21? And I do understand the damage I am doing, more so now that I am discussing with you guys, have realised that deca is too harsh for me to use at this point, test is bad enough, first and last time with deca till I'm older, much older, thank you guys for opening my eyes on that one.

Test, Deca, Tren, NPP, Mast... First injectable cycle was around 20 I think... Also all of this was between ages of 20 going on 22.. so just under 2 years.

I am now reliant on synthetic testosterone, so you may end up like me...

[The Deadlifting Dog]

so why not just drop the deca???

[Vinnie214]

so why not just drop the deca???

Isn't it too late for that? Steroid.com deca profile says that 1 single shot of 100mg deca is enough to shut you down, and I've shot 240 already.

[hammerheart]

Isn't it too late for that? Steroid.com deca profile says that 1 single shot of 100mg deca is enough to shut you down, and I've shot 240 already.

Just stop it, it's not just the shutdown you risk long term complications with your functioning.

[Capebuffalo]

Isn't it too late for that? Steroid.com deca profile says that 1 single shot of 100mg deca is enough to shut you down, and I've shot 240 already.

No. No it’s not too late. Drop the deca. Save it for much later.

[charger69]

No. No it’s not too late. Drop the deca. Save it for much later.

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[Couchlockd]

all of the compounds you're using will shut you down upon administering them.

[Dannyboy51577]

Vinnie- just gonna offer my .02. Im a long time test- deca fan, my favorite combo. Just finished up my most recent run with it a couple wks ago. These guys are exactly correct in what they are telling you as far as drop the deca now, and i think you get it now. Just because you shot once or twice doesnt mean you cant drop it and wait for it to clear your system . It is a mild compound compared to many others, but the advice i offer anyone that asks, is that there is a strategy that should apply when using deca, dbol, anadrol in order to have a successful run with those type compounds. . It requires a good grasp of your macros, water intake, nutrients, fiber, protein, training etc - otherwise you end up like a ton of other guys-30 lbs heavier but full of nothing useful. In that respect, it is much more prudent to start with test alone, or if you are hell bent, only 1 other compound. Dont complicate your situation amd end up spending more time trying to figure out what is causing the side effects than you do training.
The only other piece of advice i try to give, is to understand that every person is unique- see what works for you. Do not make the mistake of jumping into something because someone told you or because of one post you read on the internet. Take alot of time, read the hundred and thousands of different viewpoints, opinions, etc, and cipher through them to get to the truth and to see what works for you. It will most likely be different than what works for the guy next to you.

[Vinnie214]

Vinnie- just gonna offer my .02. Im a long time test- deca fan, my favorite combo. Just finished up my most recent run with it a couple wks ago. These guys are exactly correct in what they are telling you as far as drop the deca now, and i think you get it now. Just because you shot once or twice doesnt mean you cant drop it and wait for it to clear your system . It is a mild compound compared to many others, but the advice i offer anyone that asks, is that there is a strategy that should apply when using deca, dbol, anadrol in order to have a successful run with those type compounds. . It requires a good grasp of your macros, water intake, nutrients, fiber, protein, training etc - otherwise you end up like a ton of other guys-30 lbs heavier but full of nothing useful. In that respect, it is much more prudent to start with test alone, or if you are hell bent, only 1 other compound. Dont complicate your situation amd end up spending more time trying to figure out what is causing the side effects than you do training.
The only other piece of advice i try to give, is to understand that every person is unique- see what works for you. Do not make the mistake of jumping into something because someone told you or because of one post you read on the internet. Take alot of time, read the hundred and thousands of different viewpoints, opinions, etc, and cipher through them to get to the truth and to see what works for you. It will most likely be different than what works for the guy next to you.

I appreciate it, and understand I am not ready for deca, hence why I am dropping it.

Thanks

[Obs]

Sorry I didnt realize this thread was so long... I was on the first page. I didnt mean to be redundant.

[charger69]

Sorry I didnt realize this thread was so long... I was on the first page. I didnt mean to be redundant.

Obs - you are always welcome to chime in!


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[Capebuffalo]

How Testosterone Supplementation Shuts Down HPTA




One of the hardest ACTUAL facts to find when searching through steroid and bodybuilding forums is how testosterone supplementation actually shuts you down. It can be worse than trying to find a needle in a haystack, with a who's who of Bro science "professors" adding their own inaccurate take on things.

So HERE is exactly how Testosterone supplementation (AAS) Shuts you down.

Abbreviations

LH = Luteinizing hormone

HPTA = Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular Axis

FSH = Follicle stimulating hormone

GnRH = Gonadotropin releasing hormone

When exogenous Testosterone any type of steroid derivative is used, a cascade of actions take place in this order.

Your Hypothalamus (This is your master gland in your brain) secretes GnRH, that causes your pituitary gland to secrete LH & FSH. The increase in these hormones causes the testes to stimulate the Leydig cells to produce testosterone (by conversion of cholesterol). Testosterone then has the ability to undergo various metabolic processes that will inhibit GnRH, which in turn inhibits the secretion of LH and FSH, and that brings a halt to natural testosterone production. This is referred to as the negative feedback loop. Once testosterone has stopped being produced, it no longer sends this negative signal, and GnRH eventually begins to do its job again.

This is how homeostasis is maintained in the human body.

The whole idea of supplementing with steroids is to override the mechanism for negative feedback. There is a huge misconception that we can take huge amounts of steroids and we do not have to worry about not producing testosterone because we are replacing it with an exogenous source.

The big problem with this is we have is that certain steroids cause this to a greater degree than others. Estrogenic steroids, or steroids referred to as wet bulking steroids, convert to the hormone estrogen in larger doses, and this causes greater suppression than an androgen alone.

"Aromatization mediates testosterone's short-term feedback restraint of 24-hour endogenously driven and acute exogenous gonadotropin-releasing hormone-stimulated luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone secretion in young men" "J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2001 Jun;86(6):2600-6. The increased estrogen sends signals that there is to much conversion, while your Hypothalamus sends signals that too much estrogen is in your system, so the secretion of LH and FSH is halted. The leydig cells stop producing test, until homeostatis is met, and testosterone has a higher ratio to estrogen than it currently has. Using something to stop this conversion like aromasin, arimidex or letrozole can also decrease the amount of shutdown caused, or speed up the recovery process.

Some steroids are not as inhibitory of testosterone production partly because of the fact they do not confer to estrogen, Anavar being one, and it doesn't saturate androgen recepetors as deca would.

Saturation of the Androgen receptor or increased androgen levels in the blood are the main cause of shutdown, and with steroids like tren and deca the effects last much longer because the metabolites linger in the cell and receptor.

Prolactin, another hormone produced by the pituitary and regulated by the hypothalamus, can also decrease testosterone in men. If elevated, prolactin can lead to side effects on cycle and cause problems with recovery and pct. Suppressing prolactin is a good idea to prevent long lasting problems after a cycle has ended. Steroids that can increase prolactin, mainly 19-nors, such as deca and tren, need to be taken with extra precaution.

[charger69]

How Testosterone Supplementation Shuts Down HPTA




One of the hardest ACTUAL facts to find when searching through steroid and bodybuilding forums is how testosterone supplementation actually shuts you down. It can be worse than trying to find a needle in a haystack, with a who's who of Bro science "professors" adding their own inaccurate take on things.

So HERE is exactly how Testosterone supplementation (AAS) Shuts you down.

Abbreviations

LH = Luteinizing hormone

HPTA = Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular Axis

FSH = Follicle stimulating hormone

GnRH = Gonadotropin releasing hormone

When exogenous Testosterone any type of steroid derivative is used, a cascade of actions take place in this order.

Your Hypothalamus (This is your master gland in your brain) secretes GnRH, that causes your pituitary gland to secrete LH & FSH. The increase in these hormones causes the testes to stimulate the Leydig cells to produce testosterone (by conversion of cholesterol). Testosterone then has the ability to undergo various metabolic processes that will inhibit GnRH, which in turn inhibits the secretion of LH and FSH, and that brings a halt to natural testosterone production. This is referred to as the negative feedback loop. Once testosterone has stopped being produced, it no longer sends this negative signal, and GnRH eventually begins to do its job again.

This is how homeostasis is maintained in the human body.

The whole idea of supplementing with steroids is to override the mechanism for negative feedback. There is a huge misconception that we can take huge amounts of steroids and we do not have to worry about not producing testosterone because we are replacing it with an exogenous source.

The big problem with this is we have is that certain steroids cause this to a greater degree than others. Estrogenic steroids, or steroids referred to as wet bulking steroids, convert to the hormone estrogen in larger doses, and this causes greater suppression than an androgen alone.

"Aromatization mediates testosterone's short-term feedback restraint of 24-hour endogenously driven and acute exogenous gonadotropin-releasing hormone-stimulated luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone secretion in young men" "J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2001 Jun;86(6):2600-6. The increased estrogen sends signals that there is to much conversion, while your Hypothalamus sends signals that too much estrogen is in your system, so the secretion of LH and FSH is halted. The leydig cells stop producing test, until homeostatis is met, and testosterone has a higher ratio to estrogen than it currently has. Using something to stop this conversion like aromasin, arimidex or letrozole can also decrease the amount of shutdown caused, or speed up the recovery process.

Some steroids are not as inhibitory of testosterone production partly because of the fact they do not confer to estrogen, Anavar being one, and it doesn't saturate androgen recepetors as deca would.

Saturation of the Androgen receptor or increased androgen levels in the blood are the main cause of shutdown, and with steroids like tren and deca the effects last much longer because the metabolites linger in the cell and receptor.

Prolactin, another hormone produced by the pituitary and regulated by the hypothalamus, can also decrease testosterone in men. If elevated, prolactin can lead to side effects on cycle and cause problems with recovery and pct. Suppressing prolactin is a good idea to prevent long lasting problems after a cycle has ended. Steroids that can increase prolactin, mainly 19-nors, such as deca and tren, need to be taken with extra precaution.

To add to what Cape sent. You are not understanding what was said on the rate of suppression. This is change per unit time ie second, minute, day, etc. In all cases you are suppressed( ie shut down is shutdown) and exogenous T is necessary. The rate various between the AAS, not if there is suppression or not.


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[Vinnie214]

To add to what Cape sent. You are not understanding what was said on the rate of suppression. This is change per unit time ie second, minute, day, etc. In all cases you are suppressed( ie shut down is shutdown) and exogenous T is necessary. The rate various between the AAS, not if there is suppression or not.


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Ok, so, rate of suppression means, how fast you get shutdown. So deca simply shuts you off faster than test. Understood, sorry.

[geezuschrist]

I suggest finding a farm and asking the farmer for his castrated bull testicles. Upon receiving them immediately put on ice until you arrive home. Take said testicles and slowly squeeze them until you extract the sweet sweet testosterone from those bad boys. Store the juice in a sterile vial and inject subq into the scrotum until maximum testicle size is desired. It's a tried and true practice.

[Couchlockd]

I suggest finding a farm and asking the farmer for his castrated bull testicles. Upon receiving them immediately put on ice until you arrive home. Take said testicles and slowly squeeze them until you extract the sweet sweet testosterone from those bad boys. Store the juice in a sterile vial and inject subq into the scrotum until maximum testicle size is desired. It's a tried and true practice.

can you really squeeze juice from testicles if removed?

I can or in have a good line on testicles, both bull and human. also I have a good connect on rat milk.

[Dannyboy51577]

Deca is immediately suppressive. Once u pin, as the compound releases into your system, it will shut down your hpta almost immediately. Being that you are dropping it after a week, or whatever time period, it will still be lingering a while, but after 240mgs, i wouldnt worry about having complications from that kind of dose. What you will have to focus on is keeping your test levels wherever you want them to be- whether from exogenous test- or if you jump off altogether, pct and recovery. If you keep your test levels where you want them, you wont even know you took the deca. But having said that, if you understand the risk you are taking at a young age with your reproductive ability- which nothing personal, but i think it would serve you well to research much more- then good luck to ya

[Vinnie214]

Hilarious