You'll want to read this!

[Yellow]

I'll get to everyones questions by this weekend.

Here's a link to a local S.C. newspaper article about Slingshot Training- http://www.aikenstandard.com/results/0612BodyBuilders

Congratulation to you & kathy...

[The Titan99]

I'll get to everyones questions by this weekend.

Here's a link to a local S.C. newspaper article about Slingshot Training- http://www.aikenstandard.com/results/0612BodyBuilders

Congratulations to you and Kathy!! You both look awesome!!

[VASCULAR VINCE]

I'll get to everyones questions by this weekend.

Here's a link to a local S.C. newspaper article about Slingshot Training- http://www.aikenstandard.com/results/0612BodyBuilders

nice article....ron...your wife can make it to the pros!!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

nice article....ron...your wife can make it to the pros!!!

yes, her work ethic and genetics are there for her age.

[Ronnie Rowland]

to ronnie (or other forumers),

my plans have been thwarted. Not sure yet if it’s good or bad. I was just about to start (per ronnie rowland’s sling-shot program) an 8-week reload, 2-week deload using 500mgs of test-e (already bought), when my physician decided to put me on prop patches (5mgs/hr/day) changing out daily. I have to go back in 4 weeks for follow-up lab to see if my test, b-12, and d, levels are up within normal range, and then every 12 weeks thereafter.

For this initial 4 weeks i plan on doing just what the doc said. However, after that i’d like to squeeze in an 8-9 week test-e cycle on top of the daily patch followed by 2-3 weeks reload of the patch only before taking my next labs. My physician can not know about my extracurricular as use! (small town, family doctor, news speads fast)!get off test-e 4 weeks prior to having lab work. If you are prone to having elevated hemocrit levels go give blood 1 week before lab work!
other than low levels of test, b-12, and d, i’m a 49 y/o male in good shape actually! Started lifting 25+ yrs ago while in the corps and have been doing so since. I walk and hike a lot for cardio.

Questions:
• can prop and e be used together? yes! Very good combo.
o if so, how much e should i supplement to the prop? 5-600 mgs per week for starters.• will 3 weeks off e before my labs show signs of my “supplemental” as use? go 4 to be safe. any constructive thoughts or concerns with this plan? lets stay with this for now.

thanks so much!

above

[Old_usmcgrunt]

above

Excellent! Thanks so much Ronnie! I really appreciate your patience and sharing of your knowledge!

[meat&2veg]

Hey Ronnie,

I would really like your help please if you can give me some advice?
I have read so much stuff on here and other places on internet and to be honest its driving me crazy...Everyone has their personal opinions and says different things so I need HELP.

Right I am going to start a cycle:

Week 1 - 12 Sus250 @ 1amp 2 x week (Monday & Thursday)

Week 6 - 12 Stanozolol @ 50/60mg ED

I will then wait 18 days after last shot, then for PCT: (Is 18 days right amount of time?)
Clomid: 100/50/50/50/25
Nolvadex: 40/40/20/20/20

I live in Thailand and have been trying to get Arimidex but so far, no joy...I was going to take .25 ED from week 1 - week 12.
(Is this necessary???).
If it is and I can not get it what else would you suggest/recommend?

How much should I take and when?

Also the other main and BIG question is HCG!
DO I need it with the cycle I am going to take???

I personally think I do, BUT again I do not know how much I should take and when?

Again I have tried to buy this and have no joy so I am going to see a doctor so need to know how much I need if I can get it from him.

So a quick re-cap:

I need your help with what AI I need and how much and when I should take it? (Can I just run Nolva if I start to feel any problems or can I just run 10mg ED from start to end of cycle.
And the HCG...Again when, how much, start & stop?

Thanks very much for your help in advance!

(I have had some advice on this, but always good to know what other feedback I can get).

[Archangel.]

Hey Ron! Long time no talk. Just a quick Q, I'm sure I already know the answer to this, but just double checking. Today I start PCT, and I was originally going with HCG @ 1500iu eod for 2 weeks, along with nolva @ 40,40,20,20, BUT I did not run an AI on cycle, so I'm thinking on dropping the nolva? I saw you recommend an HCG only PCT previously on this thread for those who did NOT run an AI on cycle, such as myself. HOWEVER, I have read several articles on the importance of nolva for not only blocking estrogen, but also for helping your body get back up and running again. Is this just for those who don't use HCG in their PCT? Or is there any benefit whatsoever in running both nolva and HCG during PCT for someone who didn't use AI's while on, and has had virtually ZERO estrogen sides??? Thanks Ron!

[SomeRandomGuy]

Well after reading a lot of this thread, I must say Ronnie gives some good reasoning behind his concepts. I was going to do another 12 weeker, but I'll try this out.

How about this for my next cycle:

Reload (Weeks 1-8)
Test E 750mg, Deca 300mg, Equipoise 400mg
Arimidex .25-.05 mg EOD

Deload (Weeks 9-10)
Test E 500mg
Arimidex .25-.05mg EOD

Reload (Weeks 11-18)
Test E 1g, Deca 400mg, Equipoise 450mg
Arimidex .25-.05mg EOD

Deload (Weeks 19-20)
Test E 500mg
Arimidex .25-.05mg EOD
HCG 2500 i.u. EOD

PCT (Weeks 21-24)
Clomid 40/40/20/20
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

What about toremifene in place of nolvadex?
What about using HCG 250x2 (500mg) per week throughout? Would it cause desensitization of Leydig Cells (given it's 20 weeks long)?

If Ronnie can't answer these questions, I understand cause he's busy, but would anyone else who is in the know on the Slingshot Training Method care to comment on my proposed cycle?

I'm gonna try to follow the Diet and Working Sets recommendation too. If it kicks ass I will definitely post something favorable about this method. Sounds like the guy has seen a lot of people's progress so he must know what he's talking about.

[Ronnie Rowland]

well after reading a lot of this thread, i must say ronnie gives some good reasoning behind his concepts. I was going to do another 12 weeker, but i'll try this out.

How about this for my next cycle:

Reload (weeks 1-8)
test e 750mg, deca 300mg, equipoise 400mg
arimidex .25-.05 mg eod

deload (weeks 9-10)
test e 500mg
arimidex .25-.05mg eod

reload (weeks 11-18)
test e 1g, deca 400mg, equipoise 450mg
arimidex .25-.05mg eod

deload (weeks 19-20)
test e 500mg
arimidex .25-.05mg eod
hcg 2500 i.u. Eod

20 week slingshot cycle looks good! I would take eq up to 800 during second reload

pct (weeks 21-24)
clomid 40/40/20/20
nolvadex 40/40/20/20

what about toremifene in place of nolvadex? why not just stay with arimidex for pct since you already have it on hand?
what about using hcg 250x2 (500mg) per week throughout? Would it cause desensitization of leydig cells (given it's 20 weeks long)? no, but i would incorporate this protocol during the second reload only.

if ronnie can't answer these questions, i understand cause he's busy, but would anyone else who is in the know on the slingshot training method care to comment on my proposed cycle?

I'm gonna try to follow the diet and working sets recommendation too. If it kicks ass i will definitely post something favorable about this method. Sounds like the guy has seen a lot of people's progress so he must know what he's talking about.

above

[SomeRandomGuy]

above

above

Thanks so much for taking the time to review my cycle & PCT.

I was thinking of dropping the EQ, but keeping the rest the same (It's my 2nd cycle.)

What would the dose/frequency of the arimidex be for PCT in place of Nolv?

My last cycle of Test E only was amazing, but two months after my PCT now, I'm back to where I started. Deca is supposed to retain some gains more so than Test alone? I want to avoid yo-yo'ing as much as possible but not be on TRT. I read the thread quoted above where you say HGH will help you retain gains. What does that regimen look like? Also, it's extremely expensive, I looked up the price for Jintropin. I don't think I can afford it right now . What about IGF-1,2, MGF, GHRP, when would you want to take any of this?

Also I wish I could quote with vBulletin and select just the portion that's relevant, instead of the entire message, lengthening the thread unnecessarily. I could just ctrl-c, ctrl-v and use quote tags, but I haven't figured out how to keep the formatting. I only ask, because you seem to have a handle on it, as you mark up other people's replies. Wow, it just links to the quoted messages. Is that because I used multi-quote?

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ron! Long time no talk. Just a quick q, i'm sure i already know the answer to this, but just double checking. Today i start pct, and i was originally going with hcg @ 1500iu eod for 2 weeks, along with nolva @ 40,40,20,20, but i did not run an ai on cycle, so i'm thinking on dropping the nolva? i would try without the nolva unless gyno symptoms begin to appear during pct. No need in spending money on something if you can get by and use that money for more gear. I saw you recommend an hcg only pct previously on this thread for those who did not run an ai on cycle, such as myself. However, i have read several articles on the importance of nolva for not only blocking estrogen, but also for helping your body get back up and running again. Is this just for those who don't use hcg in their pct? Or is there any benefit whatsoever in running both nolva and hcg during pct for someone who didn't use ai's while on, and has had virtually zero estrogen sides??? i for one feel the advantages of using nolva during pct are not worth the money spent unless gyno appears. Time and time again i have seen people who are not prone to gyno (because these people don't produce excess estrogen) come back just fine without nolva. thanks ron!

above

[Archangel.]

above

Perfect! Just the answer I was looking for, thanks Ron. Here are a couple final pics of me at the end of my 20 week blast, hope you like em! I just want to say how grateful I am for all of your selfless advice. I learned SO much from you, I honestly could not have done this transformation without your help. I mean, it's such a CRAZY transformation, that I have countless people on here (and elsewhere) accusing me of outright lying about the time line, or just not believing it's the same person in the before and after pics I posted. IMO, there is no better compliment than people not even believing you're the same person. MUCH credit and thanks to you, Ron.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Perfect! Just the answer I was looking for, thanks Ron. Here are a couple final pics of me at the end of my 20 week blast, hope you like em! I just want to say how grateful I am for all of your selfless advice. I learned SO much from you, I honestly could not have done this transformation without your help. I mean, it's such a CRAZY transformation, that I have countless people on here (and elsewhere) accusing me of outright lying about the time line, or just not believing it's the same person in the before and after pics I posted. IMO, there is no better compliment than people not even believing you're the same person. MUCH credit and thanks to you, Ron.

I AM HAPPY TO SEE YOUR SUCCESS WITH SLINGSHOT TRAINING. I AM NOT SURPRISED IN THE LEAST BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN THESE KINDS OF TRANSFORMATIONS TIME AND TIME AGAIN. YOU FOLLOWED IT AS OUTLINED AND THE PICS ARE PROOF THAT IT WORKED AND WORKED WELL!

NOTE: You will probably be interested in reading what a pro-bodybuilder has to say about Slingshot Training-
http://www.trickyjackson.com/training/

[The Titan99]

Hey Ronnie,

I would really like your help please if you can give me some advice?
I have read so much stuff on here and other places on internet and to be honest its driving me crazy...Everyone has their personal opinions and says different things so I need HELP.

Right I am going to start a cycle:

Week 1 - 12 Sus250 @ 1amp 2 x week (Monday & Thursday)

Week 6 - 12 Stanozolol @ 50/60mg ED

I will then wait 18 days after last shot, then for PCT: (Is 18 days right amount of time?)
Clomid: 100/50/50/50/25
Nolvadex: 40/40/20/20/20

I live in Thailand and have been trying to get Arimidex but so far, no joy...I was going to take .25 ED from week 1 - week 12.
(Is this necessary???).
If it is and I can not get it what else would you suggest/recommend?

How much should I take and when?

Also the other main and BIG question is HCG!
DO I need it with the cycle I am going to take???

I personally think I do, BUT again I do not know how much I should take and when?

Again I have tried to buy this and have no joy so I am going to see a doctor so need to know how much I need if I can get it from him.

So a quick re-cap:

I need your help with what AI I need and how much and when I should take it? (Can I just run Nolva if I start to feel any problems or can I just run 10mg ED from start to end of cycle.
And the HCG...Again when, how much, start & stop?

Thanks very much for your help in advance!

(I have had some advice on this, but always good to know what other feedback I can get).

I have the same issues with with all AI's here in Thailand. I didn't have one for my first cycle which was short and fairly mild. Nolva and Clomid were all I needed. This time around my cycle is heavier and longer so I'm going to Samui next weekend and scour the place for some Aromasin to have on hand just in case. I'm definitely no expert but I believe running the HCG while on cycle made PCT a breeze for me last time. As far as HCG goes though, it's definitely obtainable in Thailand, as I'm sure Aromasin and Dex are. Being in BKK you'll find it, you just have to keep looking. You know the Thai folks, if they can't get it, they will say no one can. I can post a pic of mine if you need. You know in the Land of Smiles a pictures worth a thousand words. Read and bookmark the thread by Swifto in the PCT section on HCG. All will be revealed regarding that...

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ronnie,

i would really like your help please if you can give me some advice?
I have read so much stuff on here and other places on internet and to be honest its driving me crazy...everyone has their personal opinions and says different things so i need help. i recommend 20 week cycles not 12!

right i am going to start a cycle:

Week 1 - 12 sus250 @ 1amp 2 x week (monday & thursday)

week 6 - 12 stanozolol @ 50/60mg ed

i will then wait 18 days after last shot, then for pct: (is 18 days right amount of time?)
clomid: 100/50/50/50/25
nolvadex: 40/40/20/20/20

i live in thailand and have been trying to get arimidex but so far, no joy...i was going to take .25 ed from week 1 - week 12.
(is this necessary???). not unless you are having gyno pain. Taking anti-es would be a foolish thing to do imo.
If it is and i can not get it what else would you suggest/recommend?

How much should i take and when?

Also the other main and big question is hcg!
Do i need it with the cycle i am going to take??? it's a personal decision as to whether or not to take 500 per week on cycle or 1500-2500 eod for two weeks post cycle. For a first timer i would suggest doing it after cycle as this will lessen estrogen build up and lessen chances of getting gyno!

i personally think i do, but again i do not know how much i should take and when? post cycle (1 week after last shot )do 1500-2500 eod for two weeks.
again i have tried to buy this and have no joy so i am going to see a doctor so need to know how much i need if i can get it from him.

So a quick re-cap:

I need your help with what ai i need and how much and when i should take it? (can i just run nolva if i start to feel any problems or can i just run 10mg ed from start to end of cycle. if you have arimidex you can run it at .25mgs eod. If gyno flares up try .05mgs ed then reduce to eod. Aromasin is even better at 2.5 mgs per day because it's stronger but it may not be needed.and the hcg...again when, how much, start & stop? above
thanks very much for your help in advance!

(i have had some advice on this, but always good to know what other feedback i can get).

above

[meat&2veg]

Thanks Ronnie,

You added your answers to my questions (see below). I am confused...You have put do a 20 week cycle not 12, why? I thought you recommended 8 week cycles???

i would really like your help please if you can give me some advice?
I have read so much stuff on here and other places on internet and to be honest its driving me crazy...everyone has their personal opinions and says different things so i need help. i recommend 20 week cycles not 12!

right i am going to start a cycle:

Week 1 - 12 sus250 @ 1amp 2 x week (monday & thursday)

week 6 - 12 stanozolol @ 50/60mg ed

i will then wait 18 days after last shot, then for pct: (is 18 days right amount of time?)
clomid: 100/50/50/50/25
nolvadex: 40/40/20/20/20

i live in thailand and have been trying to get arimidex but so far, no joy...i was going to take .25 ed from week 1 - week 12.
(is this necessary???). not unless you are having gyno pain. Taking anti-es would be a foolish thing to do imo.
If it is and i can not get it what else would you suggest/recommend?

How much should i take and when?

Also the other main and big question is hcg!
Do i need it with the cycle i am going to take??? it's a personal decision as to whether or not to take 500 per week on cycle or 1500-2500 eod for two weeks post cycle. For a first timer i would suggest doing it after cycle as this will lessen estrogen build up and lessen chances of getting gyno!

i personally think i do, but again i do not know how much i should take and when? post cycle (1 week after last shot )do 1500-2500 eod for two weeks.
again i have tried to buy this and have no joy so i am going to see a doctor so need to know how much i need if i can get it from him.

So a quick re-cap:

I need your help with what ai i need and how much and when i should take it? (can i just run nolva if i start to feel any problems or can i just run 10mg ed from start to end of cycle. if you have arimidex you can run it at .25mgs eod. If gyno flares up try .05mgs ed then reduce to eod. Aromasin is even better at 2.5 mgs per day because it's stronger but it may not be needed.and the hcg...again when, how much, start & stop? above
thanks very much for your help in advance.

[delta1111]

Hi Ronnie,
What do you know about Saw Palmetto for use in preventing hair loss caused by DHT?
It's supposed to block DHT from the scalp.
Can it hinder gains from a cycle during this process?
Do you know whar dosage should be taken?
Is there anything else I should know about before trying it?
I will be using it with Minoxidil btw.

[D@K]

Now that I have read all 42 pages, it's time to post. First of all I admire your patience because i have seen the same question repeated a million times (the PCT one!), I myself started to get mad when I saw it posted again and again while u, who has to answer it, remained calm! anyways, I have learned a lot thanks for sharing your knowledge with the board.

I still have a question though which I'm really surprised wasn't brought to this thread... Especially by those who have switched from the "usual" cycles of Test 10-12 weeks kickstarted by an oral...

My question is the following dear Ron: for the same individual, how would gains (kept post cycle) compare between a 12week 500mg Test E cycle kickstarted by 6 weeks of 35mg Dbol, and a slingshot cycle of this form:

Test E 500mg + Dbol 25mg 1st reload
Test E 250mg 1st deload
Test E 750mg + Dbol 50mg 2nd reload
Test E 250mg 2nd deload

Of course we are talking about the same individual, so we are assuming the same optimal diet and training regimen, as well as same pct... So all other factors ruled out, how would you compare the gains between these two cycles? I'm not waiting for exact numbers of course, which varies between individuals, hence why I asked about the same individual running both cycles. But a good estimate about the difference in gains would be great.

Thanks again! Also, great physique (upperbody especially) + your wife looks fabulous!

[Ronnie Rowland]

now that i have read all 42 pages, it's time to post. First of all i admire your patience because i have seen the same question repeated a million times (the pct one!), i myself started to get mad when i saw it posted again and again while u, who has to answer it, remained calm! Anyways, i have learned a lot thanks for sharing your knowledge with the board. thank you for the kind words!

i still have a question though which i'm really surprised wasn't brought to this thread... Especially by those who have switched from the "usual" cycles of test 10-12 weeks kickstarted by an oral...

My question is the following dear ron: For the same individual, how would gains (kept post cycle) compare between a 12week 500mg test e cycle kickstarted by 6 weeks of 35mg dbol, and a slingshot cycle of this form:

Test e 500mg + dbol 25mg 1st reload
test e 250mg 1st deload
test e 750mg + dbol 50mg 2nd reload
test e 250mg 2nd deload

of course we are talking about the same individual, so we are assuming the same optimal diet and training regimen, as well as same pct... So all other factors ruled out, how would you compare the gains between these two cycles? I'm not waiting for exact numbers of course, which varies between individuals, hence why i asked about the same individual running both cycles. But a good estimate about the difference in gains would be great. the difference in gains would be about a 25 percent increase using slingshot compared to the standard 12 week cycle. Post cycle you can expect to maintain about 25% more as well with slingshot but eventually gains will dissipate when you go off regardless of method used.
thanks again! Also, great physique (upperbody especially) + your wife looks fabulous! thank you!

above

[stylez520]

how u doing ronnie im new to this site but i was wondering if u could help me out? my email is stylez520 at yahoo com anyone with legit info is welcome to send me an email itll take 2 minutes to send me an email i just need another legit site id appreciate it guys just send me your email and ill send my few questions asap thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

how u doing ronnie im new to this site but i was wondering if u could help me out? My email is stylez520 at yahoo com anyone with legit info is welcome to send me an email itll take 2 minutes to send me an email i just need another legit site id appreciate it guys just send me your email and ill send my few questions asap thanks

you are not allowed to post this kind of question on the open forum!

[JuliusPleaser]

how many reloads and deloads can you do without ruining yourself

reload
deload
reload
deload

and PCT for a month?

then can u continue this again and so fourth...or do u stop for a while...basically how many reloads and deload blasts per year?...do u take a while off after you do say.2-3 in a year?

[Ronnie Rowland]

how many reloads and deloads can you do without ruining yourself honestly, no one knows! When it comes to the human body anything can happen as everyone is wired different. I can tell you i have seen no problems with 20 week cycles. So, if you want to play it safe stay with a reload/deload/reload/deload then pct and stay clean for 10 weeks (including pct time which last 2-4 weeks depending on whether or not hcg alone is used or anti-es are used). When anties/and or clomid are used do a 4 week pct. With hcg alone 2 weeks will work. reload
deload
reload
deload

and pct for a month? yes!
then can u continue this again and so fourth...or do u stop for a while...basically how many reloads and deload blasts per year?...do u take a while off after you do say.2-3 in a year? most competitors rarely go off-hence they reload and deload pretty much year round without ever coming completely off. It's the norm for recreational bodybuilders to do 20 weeks on and 6-10 weeks off. I would take 10 weeks off just to be safe.

above

[Yellow]

how many reloads and deloads can you do without ruining yourself honestly, no one knows! When it comes to the human body anything can happen as everyone is wired different. I can tell you i have seen no problems with 20 week cycles. So, if you want to play it safe stay with a reload/deload/reload/deload then pct and stay clean for 10 weeks (including pct time which last 2-4 weeks depending on whether or not hcg alone is used or anti-es are used). When anties/and or clomid are used do a 4 week pct. With hcg alone 2 weeks will work. reload
deload
reload
deload

and pct for a month? yes!
then can u continue this again and so fourth...or do u stop for a while...basically how many reloads and deload blasts per year?...do u take a while off after you do say.2-3 in a year? most competitors rarely go off-hence they reload and deload pretty much year round without ever coming completely off. It's the norm for recreational bodybuilders to do 20 weeks on and 6-10 weeks off. I would take 10 weeks off just to be safe.

above

Hi Ron,

What do you think about 30 weeks slingshot cycle then 10 weeks OFF recurred?
Since I want kids but I compete too...
Is it a good way to go?

FYI, I always take HCG 250IU twice a week during reload, then do 4 weeks PCT consists of clomid and nolva.
week 1-8 : 250IU HCG twice a week
week 9-10 : OFF from HCG
Week 11-18 : 250IU HCG twice a week
week 19-20 : OFF from HCG
Week 21-28 : 250IU HCG twice a week
Week 29-30 : OFF from HCG
Week 31-34 : PCT
Week 35-40 : stay OFF (natural)
then recommence again....

Many thanks for the helps and advices, Ron...
God Bless u and your fam...

[SomeRandomGuy]

Hi Ron,

What do you think about 30 weeks slingshot cycle then 10 weeks OFF recurred?
Since I want kids but I compete too...
Is it a good way to go?

FYI, I always take HCG 250IU twice a week during reload, then do 4 weeks PCT consists of clomid and nolva.
week 1-8 : 250IU HCG twice a week
week 9-10 : OFF from HCG
Week 11-18 : 250IU HCG twice a week
week 19-20 : OFF from HCG
Week 21-28 : 250IU HCG twice a week
Week 29-30 : OFF from HCG
Week 31-34 : PCT
Week 35-40 : stay OFF (natural)
then recommence again....

Many thanks for the helps and advices, Ron...
God Bless u and your fam...

I'm sure Ronnie is going to answer this anyway, but I just asked the same question and he told me to only use that 250i.u. x 2, 500i.u./wk regimen for the 2nd reload. Probably to reduce chance of gyno.

[Yellow]

I'm sure Ronnie is going to answer this anyway, but I just asked the same question and he told me to only use that 250i.u. x 2, 500i.u./wk regimen for the 2nd reload. Probably to reduce chance of gyno.

I'm not questioning the HCG method.
My method (250IU twice per week during cycle) has always worked well for me for years...

My concern is 30 weeks slingshot cycle with 10 weeks OFF recurred rather than staying on forever. Since I want kids in the future, but I compete too..

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Yellow;5340483]Hi Ron,

What do you think about 30 weeks slingshot cycle then 10 weeks OFF recurred?
Since I want kids but I compete too...
Is it a good way to go?

FYI, I always take HCG 250IU twice a week during reload, then do 4 weeks PCT consists of clomid and nolva.
week 1-8 : 250IU HCG twice a week
week 9-10 : OFF from HCG
Week 11-18 : 250IU HCG twice a week
week 19-20 : OFF from HCG
Week 21-28 : 250IU HCG twice a week
Week 29-30 : OFF from HCG (continue hcg here)
Week 31-34 : PCT
Week 35-40 : stay OFF (natural)
then recommence again....

Many thanks for the helps and advices, Ron...
God Bless u and your fam...Looks pretty good! [/QUOTE]above

[Yellow]

Hi Ron,

What do you think about 30 weeks slingshot cycle then 10 weeks OFF recurred?
Since I want kids but I compete too...
Is it a good way to go?

FYI, I always take HCG 250IU twice a week during reload, then do 4 weeks PCT consists of clomid and nolva.
week 1-8 : 250IU HCG twice a week
week 9-10 : OFF from HCG
Week 11-18 : 250IU HCG twice a week
Week 19-20 : OFF from HCG
Week 21-28 : 250IU HCG twice a week
Week 29-30 : OFF from HCG (continue hcg here)
Week 31-34 : PCT with clomid + nolva
Week 35-40 : stay OFF (natural)
then recommence again....

Many thanks for the helps and advices, Ron...
God Bless u and your fam...Looks pretty good! /

above

Thanks for the advice & help, ron..

BTW I still don't understand what you mean by " Week 29-30 (continue hcg here) "
I plan to use HCG during 30 weeks slingshot cycle and then get PCT for week 31-34 with clomid+nolva. Is that ok?
Or you still recommended me using HCG in the first 2 weeks of PCT?

[D@K]

"the difference in gains would be about a 25 percent increase using slingshot compared to the standard 12 week cycle. Post cycle you can expect to maintain about 25% more as well with slingshot but eventually gains will dissipate when you go off regardless of method used."
Is this true even if the weight achieved is still under the genetic max weight? Or is it only true if u surpass your genetic max?
Thanks.

[Ronnie Rowland]

"the difference in gains would be about a 25 percent increase using slingshot compared to the standard 12 week cycle. Post cycle you can expect to maintain about 25% more as well with slingshot but eventually gains will dissipate when you go off regardless of method used."
is this true even if the weight achieved is still under the genetic max weight? Or is it only true if u surpass your genetic max? only if you surpass your natural genetic potential will you lose muscle when coming off. If you use enough growth hormone when coming off you will maintain most, if not all, of your lean muscle mass gains (minus water weight and some strength) even if you have surpassed your genetic potential.
thanks.

above

[D@K]

above

I probably forgot to mention that this will be my first cycle so I really doubt I will surpass my genetic potential! Hence I will opt as a first cycle for the slingshot method, because the gains are noticeably larger! Thanks again Ron..

One more question, for the cycle i mentioned earlier
(Test e 500mg + dbol 25mg 1st reload
test e 250mg 1st deload
test e 750mg + dbol 50mg 2nd reload
test e 250mg 2nd deload)

When do most of the gains come? Is the 2nd reload/deload even comparable to the 1st one with respect to gains? And have you seen anyone suffering liver problems for going on dbol this much? (16 weeks out of 20!)

[Ronnie Rowland]

I probably forgot to mention that this will be my first cycle so I really doubt I will surpass my genetic potential! Hence I will opt as a first cycle for the slingshot method, because the gains are noticeably larger! Thanks again Ron..

One more question, for the cycle i mentioned earlier
(Test e 500mg + dbol 25mg 1st reload
test e 250mg 1st deload
test e 750mg + dbol 50mg 2nd reload
test e 250mg 2nd deload)

When do most of the gains come? Is the 2nd reload/deload even comparable to the 1st one with respect to gains? And have you seen anyone suffering liver problems for going on dbol this much? (16 weeks out of 20!) Okay then, you do not need d-bol for a first cycle! Use test-e or test-c only. Keep it as you have it minus the d-bol. The first reload is going to be better in terms of gaining strength and weight but the second 8 week reload will harden your musculature and cause the gains to be more permanent. I have known of some people to get elevated liver enzmes with 16 weeks of d-bol usages but they return to normal 4-8 weeks later when they go off.

above

[ricky23]

hi ronnie, at what point do you think a tolerance is built up to certain aas?
thankyou

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie, at what point do you think a tolerance is built up to certain aas?
thankyou

I do not think you build up a tolerance to certain steroids, but I do believe your body adapts to specific dosages and myostatin levels increase to a point gains stop.

[murad]

hey Ronnie i am going to go on sas 250 and deca 200 for 12 weeks cycle. i got told 1 mil of deca and 2 mils of sas thats each week i put in ist a good idea? and after when you get off the steroids ist truu that your muscles go back they way they wear?

thanks Ronnie

[airguard0909]

seems like he did take a class or two. thats alot of info.

[B-E-Z]

Great article Ronnie. appreciate your effort. im a male of 22 years old weighing 176 lbs. im good built. I know many people that are on steroids but i want to take them properly so i thought based on your experience you could help me out. based on some research im thinking of beginning a first steroid cycle which includes:

T-enanthate
Parabolan
Deca

including arimidex, nolvadex, clomid, HCG for pct <<< which of these are best nd when should i take them?

might go for G.H later on for the next cycle.

i want to know the above is a good combo or not. and also in what doses should i take them?

peace
Peace

[Maronn]

Hi Ronnie,

I got a few questions about clenbuterol.
10-15 years ago it was said that clen will help in burning fat (thermogenic abilities) and also will help to build muscles due to its anti-catabol effect.

now, studies say that there is no not much or no anti-catabol effects at all.

What is your opinion regarding fat loss and the anti-catabol effects.

Would be a good idea to take during your pct?

thank you!

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie,

i got a few questions about clenbuterol.
10-15 years ago it was said that clen will help in burning fat (thermogenic abilities) and also will help to build muscles due to its anti-catabol effect.

Now, studies say that there is no not much or no anti-catabol effects at all.

What is your opinion regarding fat loss and the anti-catabol effects. it heats up the body so it does cause fat loss but i do not think it prevents muscle loss.would be a good idea to take during your pct? only to keep body fat levels down not for muscle mass preservation.
thank you!

above