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[VASCULAR VINCE]

cloe grip...vs...wide grip pulldowns...for back width????

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=jacklenore;5411683]Hey all, I was considering taking H Drol. Im 23, about 5'10" and 175 lbs. I work out every day, but only lift weights about 2 of those days. I do tons of military work outs at home (push ups, pull ups, dips, abs, lunges, squats, and many others not using weights but pushing to muscle failure). I also take Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (which is submission wrestling) and boxing about 5 days a week along with jogging. If I wanted to take H drol, would I have to start lifting weights more or am I okay with the excersing I do now? Lift weights! [/QUOTE]above

[jacklenore]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5411847]

Hey all, I was considering taking H Drol. Im 23, about 5'10" and 175 lbs. I work out every day, but only lift weights about 2 of those days. I do tons of military work outs at home (push ups, pull ups, dips, abs, lunges, squats, and many others not using weights but pushing to muscle failure). I also take Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (which is submission wrestling) and boxing about 5 days a week along with jogging. If I wanted to take H drol, would I have to start lifting weights more or am I okay with the excersing I do now? Lift weights! [/QUOTE]above

Ronnie, Do i need to start a lifting program before I start to take the H Drol? IF so, how long should I wait before taking it? Thanks for your help!

[kelevra]

Hey thanks for the effort you have put in here.
I’m thinking about giving the sling shot a run. I have run a test, deca, and dbol cycle before with no sides to speak of. So I would like to use the same gear. I would like to outline my thought to make sure I have it and get your input. And what is your take on small dose of HCG while on cycle? Like 250iu 2x week THANKS.
Week 1-4 dbol@30mg ED
Week 1-8 Test E 500mg
Week1-8 Deca 500mg
Deload Week 8-10 TestE @ 250mg weekly
Week 11-14 dbol@30mg ED
Week 11-18 Test E 500mg
Week11-18 Deca 500mg
Deload Week 18-20 TestE @ 250mg weekly
Then maybe 8 to10 Weeks PCT

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey thanks for the effort you have put in here.
I’m thinking about giving the sling shot a run. I have run a test, deca, and dbol cycle before with no sides to speak of. So i would like to use the same gear. I would like to outline my thought to make sure i have it and get your input. And what is your take on small dose of hcg while on cycle? 250 iu of hcg twice a week is fine!
like 250iu 2x week thanks.
Week 1-4 dbol@30mg ed
week 1-8 test e 500mg
week1-8 deca 500mg
deload week 8-10 teste @ 250mg weekly
week 11-14 dbol@30mg ed (you have the option of doing 50 mgs per day here)
week 11-18 test e 500mg (increase test to 1 gram per week)
week11-18 deca 500mg
deload week 18-20 teste @ 250mg weekly
then maybe 8 to10 weeks pct looks good

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[SomeRandomGuy]

Just about to start Week 8 of Test E 600mg, Deca 400mg. Even though I frontloaded, it still took till about Week 5-6 to really notice the gains. Still, now I'm back up to benching 315 for an easy 10-12, so good indicator that it's doing something. I really try to eat clean, but I cheat frequently. Up to 250lbs dry weight at 5'10". I wouldn't say I've really gained much fat, in fact, I may have lost some.

Still, my question is this; I want to get truly lean at least once in my life (well I was lean at 18), but one more time . Right now I'm not really doing any cardio, but lifting 5 days a week. With what drugs and what regimen and what time would you suggest trying to get lean? During a cycle? At the tail end? After PCT before next cycle? I've read that you don't want to reduce caloric intake if you're trying to make a PCT effective because it hinders natural production of test. So when should I diet/cardio/clen/T3/Keto? I almost think it might make sense to do another cycle after this one with some Clen and Tren (of course with a Test base) and just make it a cutter cycle, that way I don't lose any muscle. If I do cutting after PCT I'm gonna drop into a deep depression .

Thanks.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Just about to start Week 8 of Test E 600mg, Deca 400mg. Even though I frontloaded, it still took till about Week 5-6 to really notice the gains. Still, now I'm back up to benching 315 for an easy 10-12, so good indicator that it's doing something. I really try to eat clean, but I cheat frequently. Up to 250lbs dry weight at 5'10". I wouldn't say I've really gained much fat, in fact, I may have lost some.

Still, my question is this; I want to get truly lean at least once in my life (well I was lean at 18), but one more time . Right now I'm not really doing any cardio, but lifting 5 days a week. With what drugs and what regimen and what time would you suggest trying to get lean? TEST-E,TREN-E for 16 weeks,/TEST,TREN,maybe T-3 for 12 weeks, add CLEN for last 8 weeks and maybe some winstrol last 4 week sof 16 week cycle.. Never diet without anabolics as muscle loss will occur-hence increasing bodyfat through a slowing metabolism, etc. And During a cycle? At the tail end? After PCT before next cycle? Skip PCT and start dieting down with a cuttling cycle. I've read that you don't want to reduce caloric intake if you're trying to make a PCT effective because it hinders natural production of test. So when should I diet/cardio/clen/T3/Keto? Following pct do a long 16 week cutting cycle with no deloads.. I almost think it might make sense to do another cycle after this one with some Clen and Tren (of course with a Test base) and just make it a cutter cycle, that way I don't lose any muscle. If I do cutting after PCT I'm gonna drop into a deep depression I WOULD START 16 WEEK CUTTING CYCLE AND FORGET PCT.

Thanks.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

I PULLED THIS ARTICLE ABOUT PROVIRON OFF THE NET. MANY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING GYNO YET ARE ALSO AFRAID OF THE SIDE EFFECTS OF ANTI-ES. PROVIRON CAN BE A GOOD ROUTE TO TAKE TO COMBAT ELEVATED ESTROGEN LEVELS WHILE SPARING JOINTS AND LIBIDO!


Proviron

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More info on proviron:

Mesterolone is an orally active, 1-methylated DHT. Like Masteron, but then actually delivered in an oral fashion. DHT is the conversion product of testosterone at the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme, the result being a hormone that is 3 to 4 times as androgenic and is structurally incapable of forming estrogen. One would imagine then that mesterolone would be a perfect drug to enhance strength and add small but completely lean gains to the frame. Unfortunately there is a control mechanism for DHT in the human body. When levels get too high, the 3alpha hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase enzyme converts it to a mostly inactive compound known as 3-alpha (5-alpha-androstan-3alpha,17beta-diol), a prohormone if you will. It can equally convert back to DHT by way of the same enzyme when low levels of DHT are detected. But it means that unless one uses ridiculously high amounts, most of what is administered is quite useless at the height of the androgen receptor in muscle tissue and thus mesterolone is not particularly suited, if at all, to promote muscle hypertrophy.

Proviron has four distinct uses in the world of bodybuilding. The first being the result of its structure. It is 5-alpha reduced and not capable of forming estrogen, yet it nonetheless has a much higher affinity for the aromatase enzyme (which converts testosterone to estrogen) than testosterone does. That means in administering it with testosterone or another aromatizable compound, it prevents estrogen build-up because it binds to the aromatase enzyme very strongly, thereby preventing these steroids from interacting with it and forming estrogen. So Mesterolone use has the extreme benefit of reducing estrogenic side-effects and water retention noted with other steroids, and as such still help to provide mostly lean gains. Its also been suggested that it may actually downgrade the actual estrogen receptor making it doubly effective at reducing circulating estrogen levels.

The second use is in enhancing the potency of testosterone. Testosterone in the body at normal physiological levels is mostly inactive. As much as 97 or 98 percent of testosterone in that amount is bound to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) and albumin, two proteins. In such a form testosterone is mostly inactive. But as with the aromatase enzyme, DHT has a higher affinity for these proteins than testosterone does, so when administered simultaneously the mesterolone will attach to the SHBG and albumin, leaving larger amounts of free testosterone to mediate anabolic activities such as protein synthesis. Another way in which it helps to increase gains. Its also another part of the equation that makes it ineffective on its own, as binding to these proteins too, would render it a non-issue at the androgen receptor.

Thirdly, mesterolone is added in pre-contest phases to increase a distinct hardness and muscle density. Probably due to its reduction in circulating estrogen, perhaps due to the downregulating of the estrogen receptor in muscle tissue, it decreases the total water build-up of the body giving its user a much leaner look, and a visual effect of possessing “harder” muscles with more cuts and striations. Proviron is often used as a last-minute secret by a lot of bodybuilders and both actors and models have used it time and again to deliver top shape day in day out, when needed. Like the other methylated DHT compound, drostanolone, mesterolone is particularly potent in achieving this feat.

Lastly Proviron is used during a cycle of certain hormones such as nandrolone, with a distinct lack of androgenic nature, or perhaps 5-alpha reduced hormones that don’t have the same affinities as DHT does. Such compounds, thinking of trenbolone, nandrolone and such in particular, have been known to decrease libido. Limiting the athlete to perform sexually being the logical result. DHT plays a key role in this process and is therefore administered in conjunction with such steroids to ease or relieve this annoying side-effect. Proviron is also commonly prescribed by doctors to people with low levels of testosterone, or patients with chronic impotence. Its not perceived as a powerful anabolic, but it gets the job done equally well if not better than other anabolic steroids making it a favorite in medical practices due to its lower chance of abuse.

Mesterolone is generally well liked nonetheless as it delivers very few side-effects in men. In high doses it can cause some virilization symptoms in women. But because of the high level of deactivation and pre-destination in the system (albumin, SHBG, 3bHSD, aromatase) quite a lot of it, if not all simply never reaches the androgen receptor where it would cause anabolic effects, but also side-effects. So its relatively safe. Doses between 25 and 250 mg per day are used with no adverse effects. 50 mg per day is usually sufficient to be effective in each of the four cases we mentioned up above, so going higher really isn’t necessary. Unlike what some suggest or believe,

I will post an abstract to refute these next statements at the bottom of the page

Its not advised that Proviron be used when not used in conjunction with another steroid, as it too is quite suppressive of natural testosterone, leading to all sorts of future complications upon discontinuation. Ranging from loss of libido or erectile dysfunction all the way up to infertility. One would not be aware of such dangers because Proviron fulfills most of the functions of normal levels of testosterone.

Stacking and Use:

Mesterolone is an oral alkylated steroid. If used primarily as an anti-aromatase drug, using it throughout a longer cycle (10-12 weeks) of injectables may elevate liver values a little bit, though much, much less than one would expect with a 17-alpha-alkylated steroid. Eventhough instead of inhibiting gains, mesterolone may actually contribute to gains. So that’s a bit of a shame. Its not quite as toxic since its not alkylated in the same fashion, but at the 1 position, which reduces hepatic breakdown, but not like 17-alpha alkylation. The reason for the change of position I assume, is because alkylating at the 17-alpha position has been shown to reduce affinity for sex hormone binding proteins. This would in turn decrease its ability to free testosterone. Nonetheless the delivery rate is quite good. Its taken daily in 50-100 mg doses.

The best thing to stack it with is testosterone of course. Its most easily bound to SHBG and albumin, and deactivated for up to 98%. Since the DHT can compete for these structures with higher affinity it would naturally lead to a higher yield of whatever testosterone product you stacked it with. Since DHT levels are notably higher now there is also more stimulation of the androgen receptor causing more strength gains, and because of its affinity for aromatase the overall estrogen level decreases as well. This has as a result that gains are leaner, and once again the overall testosterone yield is increased as less I converted at the aromatase enzyme.

It’s of course used in other stacks with products such as methandrostenolone, boldenone and nandrolone to reduce estrogenic activity and increase muscle hardness. The addition of proviron makes boldenone a dead lock for a cutting stack and for some may even make it possible to use nandrolone while cutting, although the use of Winstrol or a receptor antagonist in conjunction is wishful as well. The benefit of adding it to a nandrolone stack is that it may also help you reduce the decrease in libido suffered from nandrolone, since the latter is mostly deactivated by 5-alpha reductase, an enzyme that makes other hormones more androgenic.

Proviron is an anti-aromatase, so obviously anti-estrogens would be futile and redundant. Blood pressure medication for those prone to hypertension may be wise, as this DHT can increase the blood pressure.
Abstract refuting that Proviron is not highly suppressive

Here is the study I was referring to. Only 85 men out of 250 showed any suppression. Proviron did not shut down the HPTA in any of the subjects and that was at 150mg for 1 year. I would say its pretty safe and has very little effect on one’s HPTA

This study shows no effect on normal LH and FSH with 100-150mg/ d mesterolone, and decrease of FSH/LH that were elevated.
Proviron doesn’t substitute Clomid as hpta therapy, but doesn’t get in the way, either.
The effect of mesterolone on sperm count, on serum follicle stimulating hormone, luteinizing hormone, plasma testosterone and outcome in idiopathic oligospermic men.

Varma TR, Patel RH.

Department of Obstetrics & Gynaecology, St. George’s Hospital Medical School London, U.K.

Two hundred fifty subfertile men with idiopathic oligospermia (count less than 20 million/ml) were treated with mesterolone (100-150 mg/day) for 12 months. Seminal analysis were assayed 3 times and serum follicle stimulating hormone (FSH) luteinizing hormone (LH) and plasma testosterone were assayed once before treatment and repeated at 3, 6, 9 and 12 months after the initiation of treatment. One hundred ten patients (44%) had normal serum FSH, LH and plasma testosterone, 85 patients (34%) had low serum FSH, LH and low plasma testosterone. One hundred seventy-five patients (70%) had moderate oligospermia (count 5 to less than 20 million/ml) and 75 patients (30%) had severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million/ml). Seventy-five moderately oligospermic patients showed significant improvement in the sperm density, total sperm count and motility following mesterolone therapy whereas only 12% showed improvement in the severe oligospermic group. Mesterolone had no depressing effect on low or normal serum FSH and LH levels but had depressing effect on 25% if the levels were elevated. There was no significant adverse effect on testosterone levels or on liver function. One hundred fifteen (46%) pregnancies resulted following the treatment, 9 of 115 (7.8%) aborted and 2 (1.7%) had ectopic pregnancy. Mesterolone was found to be more useful in patients with a sperm count ranging between 5 and 20 million/ml. Those with severe oligospermia (count less than 5 million) do not seem to benefit from this therapy.

PMID: 2892728 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]One more…
Effect of non aromatizable androgens on LHRH and TRH responses in primary testicular failure.

Spitz IM, Margalioth EJ, Yeger Y, Livshin Y, Zylber-Haran E, Shilo S.

We have assessed the gonadotropin, TSH and PRL responses to the non aromatizable androgens, mesterolone and fluoxymestrone, in 27 patients with primary testicular failure. All patients were given a bolus of LHRH (100 micrograms) and TRH (200 micrograms) at zero time. Nine subjects received a further bolus of TRH at 30 mins. The latter were then given mesterolone 150 mg daily for 6 weeks. The remaining subjects received fluoxymesterone 5 mg daily for 4 weeks and 10 mg daily for 2 weeks. On the last day of the androgen administration, the subjects were re-challenged with LHRH and TRH according to the identical protocol. When compared to controls, the patients had normal circulating levels of testosterone, estradiol, PRL and thyroid hormones. However, basal LH, FSH and TSH levels, as well as gonadotropin responses to LHRH and TSH and PRL responses to TRH, were increased.

Mesterolone administration produced no changes in steroids, thyroid hormones, gonadotropins nor PRL.
There was, however, a reduction in the integrated and incremental TSH secretion after TRH.
Fluoxymesterone administration was accompanied by a reduction in thyroid binding globulin (with associated decreases in t3 and increases in t3 resin uptake). The free T4 index was unaltered, which implies that thyroid function was unchanged.

In addition, during fluoxymesterone administration, there was a reduction in testosterone, gonadotropins and LH response to LHRH.
Basal TSH did not vary, but there was a reduction in the peak and integrated TSH response to TRH. PRL levels were unaltered during fluoxymesterone treatment.
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[SomeRandomGuy]

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What dosing would you recommend on the Test E, Tren E, T3, Winstrol? I know you recommend 20mcg Clen and work your way up to ~100mcg. Good, what about Ketotifen? What about Anavar?

So 16 weeks:
1-12: Test E, Tren E, T3
10-16: Clen/Keto
12-16: Winstrol

I'm gonna pick up some Proviron to use for AI, dosing? Continue HCG at 500iu/wk? Diet 40/40/20%, 2800-3000cals? Or try for Ketogenic? Frequency/duration on cardio and on weights?

Thanks a lot. I'm pretty determined on cutting. I'm gonna be religious about it.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

What dosing would you recommend on the Test E, Tren E, T3, Winstrol? I know you recommend 20mcg Clen and work your way up to ~100mcg. Good, what about Ketotifen? What about Anavar?

So 16 weeks:
1-12: Test E, Tren E, T3 (test 750 mgs per week/tren 400-600 mgs per week)
10-16: Clen/Keto ( start at 20 mcg per day and increase by 20 mcgs per day weekly-stay at 100 last 2 weeks/keto not needed)
12-16: Winstrol (50 mgs daily)

I'm gonna pick up some Proviron to use for AI, dosing? 50 mgs daily Continue HCG at 500iu/wk? you could but i would do it post cycle to keep estrogen down Diet 40/40/20%, 2800-3000cals? dont count calories only macronutrient ratios.For staters try taking carbs down to 100-150 5 days per week, fats around 50-75 and the rest protein.. Or try for Ketogenic? Frequency/duration on cardio and on weights? it depends!Thanks a lot. I'm pretty determined on cutting. I'm gonna be religious about it.above

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[yannyboy]

Can I just say as a new member who only joined the forum 2 days ago, that this is the best thread I have ever read. I am only on page 15 but I can't stop reading it. Full of useful, important and logical information. I have been blasting/cruising since June this year where I have been blasting for 8 weeks and cruising for 8 weeks, so I seem to have got half of it right. I will cruise to the end of the year then I am going to go for the 8 weeks reload, 2 weeks deload from then on. I tried 10-12 week cycles in the past with a PCT and long break and found the losses to be horrendous. Anyway, got to get back to reading the rest of this thread, LOL. Cheers Ronnie for such a great thread.

[yannyboy]

I know you train 8 weeks low reps with more sets and then have 2 weeks of fewer sets with higher reps. So how do you train in PCT or when having a break?

[Ronnie Rowland]

i know you train 8 weeks low reps with more sets and then have 2 weeks of fewer sets with higher reps. So how do you train in pct or when having a break?

i would just train normal in pct but it's okay to reduce work sets by 25% if needed.

[yannyboy]

What do you think of Metformin?
I read that you need to cut protein for 2 weeks in the priming stage of the diet to help with insulin sensitivity and Metformin does this.

[Juicedupmonkey]

Ronnie I know during reloads you do 2 warm up sets plus a prep set when doing mid range reps at 8-10 but when say during a deload doing 12-15reps do we still need that prep set? Or will 2 warm up sets do fine and skip the prep set?

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie i know during reloads you do 2 warm up sets plus a prep set when doing mid range reps at 8-10 but when say during a deload doing 12-15reps do we still need that prep set? Or will 2 warm up sets do fine and skip the prep set? skip prep set but continue with warm-ups.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

what do you think of metformin?
I read that you need to cut protein for 2 weeks in the priming stage of the diet to help with insulin sensitivity and metformin does this. i wouldnt do it! Too risky imo.

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[delta1111]

Hi Ronnie,
When performing bicep curls, do you start each rep from a straight arm position to encourage development of a longer fuller bicep? or do you come down to a slightly bent arm to keep tension on the muscle at all times? Advantages and disadvantages of using each method please.
Many thanks.

[Heman78]

Ronnie, im trying to bring out my upper pecs and going for over all thickness. what would be best to do for this....... im still doing my 8 week reload im taking omna 500mg a week thinkin bout bumpin it up to 750... im taking 300 mg of dedca should i bump it up to 400mg. started the deca this week. im on my third week of omna i feel stronger and im starting to see good gains. i wanna stack it with dbol as well. Would you advise this? or should i just stick with what I have for now? thanx Ronnie, you know ur stuff. and how many weeks bofore a show should i start a cutting cycle. i have at the end of march, i wanna come in wit an eye popin package, and leave with a win.

[The Titan99]

Just as a side note. I've been away from home for almost 4 weeks getting spinal surgery. I brought the first weeks worth of Test C with me, but was here longer than expected. I lifted pretty heavy in week 2 and had surgery in week 3. Had to pick up some Test in Bangkok to do the 250 mg leading up to surgery as well as the 500 mg post op. Got some vials of "Testoviron Depot" from a Pharmacy. It was fake!!!! I went from 113 kg to 104 kg in about 10 days. DAMN!!! Finally after all my friends said I was shrinking I weighed myself and figured it out. Last night I did 500 mg of Test Comp (Sustanon) and plan to do 250 mg on Thursday. Was this the right thing to do? Should I have done 1 gram? I'm so f**king angry I could kill someone!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

just as a side note. I've been away from home for almost 4 weeks getting spinal surgery. I brought the first weeks worth of test c with me, but was here longer than expected. I lifted pretty heavy in week 2 and had surgery in week 3. Had to pick up some test in bangkok to do the 250 mg leading up to surgery as well as the 500 mg post op. Got some vials of "testoviron depot" from a pharmacy. It was fake!!!! I went from 113 kg to 104 kg in about 10 days. Damn!!! Finally after all my friends said i was shrinking i weighed myself and figured it out. Last night i did 500 mg of test comp (sustanon) and plan to do 250 mg on thursday. Was this the right thing to do? Should i have done 1 gram? it's not going to hurt you to do a gram but 500 is good for what you are trying to accomplish i'm so f**king angry i could kill someone!your probably more upset than usual because not being able to train causes anxiety. Try to relax and look at this time off as joint therapy and a priming stage.!

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[The Titan99]

Thanks a million Ron. Relaxing now...

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie, im trying to bring out my upper pecs and going for over all thickness. start chest workout with inclines on a smith machine using only a 15 degree incline. What would be best to do for this....... Im still doing my 8 week reload im taking omna 500mg a week thinkin bout bumpin it up to 750... Im taking 300 mg of dedca should i bump it up to 400mg. yes started the deca this week. Im on my third week of omna i feel stronger and im starting to see good gains. I wanna stack it with dbol as well. Would you advise this? yes, add d-bol or should i just stick with what i have for now? Thanx ronnie, you know ur stuff. And how many weeks bofore a show should i start a cutting cycle.12 weeks is good for most i have at the end of march, i wanna come in wit an eye popin package, and leave with a win.

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[Juicedupmonkey]

Ronnie when doing shoulder press should you only bring the weight down till your arms are about at a 90 degree angle? Instead of bringing the weight all the way down? To me that feels like doing a half rep like those people who bench press and bring the weight down like a foot away from there chest... I know I see lots of people say only go till your elbows are parallel with your shoulders to spare your rotator cuff but I would like to hear your opinion on this.
I've always brought the weight all the way gown never bothered me and I have a rotator cuff injury... I've had it for 10 years or so before I started weight lifting and it doesn't seem to make it worse

[morado02]

Hi Ronnie:

I am planning to start my bulking phase in a couple of weeks, and I decided to give it a try with the STS.

This is what I have on mind, so let me know what you think please.

Regards

Cycle
Phase 1

8 week reload:Weeks 1-8
d-bol 30 mgs per day
test e 750 mgs per week
Equipose 600 mgs per week

2 week deload:Weeks 9-10
test e 500 mgs per week

Phase 2

8 week reload: Weeks 11-18
d-bol 50 mgs per day
test e 1 gram per week
Equipose 600 mgs per week

2 week deload: Weeks 19-20
test 500 mgs

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie:

I am planning to start my bulking phase in a couple of weeks, and i decided to give it a try with the sts.

This is what i have on mind, so let me know what you think please.

Regards

cycle
phase 1

8 week reload:weeks 1-8
d-bol 30 mgs per day
test e 750 mgs per week
equipose 600 mgs per week

2 week deload:weeks 9-10
test e 500 mgs per week

phase 2

8 week reload: Weeks 11-18
d-bol 50 mgs per day
test e 1 gram per week
equipose 600 mgs per week

2 week deload: Weeks 19-20
test 500 mgs looks good! You might consider increasing test to 1.5 grams per week during phase 2.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie when doing shoulder press should you only bring the weight down till your arms are about at a 90 degree angle? Instead of bringing the weight all the way down? To me that feels like doing a half rep like those people who bench press and bring the weight down like a foot away from there chest... I know i see lots of people say only go till your elbows are parallel with your shoulders to spare your rotator cuff but i would like to hear your opinion on this.
I've always brought the weight all the way gown never bothered me and i have a rotator cuff injury... I've had it for 10 years or so before i started weight lifting and it doesn't seem to make it worse it all depends on the individual. Bringing the bar down to only 90 degrees is not far enough for most imo but some are limnited to this range of motion. I have had some rotator cuff issues so i bring my hands down to my ear lobes which is still below 90 degrees as far as my elbows are concerned. I would do as full of a range of motion that you can without having shoulder pain..

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[The Titan99]

I've been using Test C for quite a while now, but have gotten a great deal on Test Comp 250 (similar to Sustonon 250 I'd imagine) and was wondering the best way to use it and get the best out of the short and long esters. What it consists of per ml is Test Decanoate BP 100mg, Test Isocaproate BP 60mg, Test Phenylpropionate 60mg, and Test Propionate USP 30mg.

Now I'm familar with Test Cyp, Test Enth and Test Prop. These others I'm not sure of. I would guess the Test that say BP would be the longer esters, while the Phenylpropionate is similar the the Prop.

What I'm wondering is if you were wanting to do a gram a week, or 500 mg in my case, but a gram for mathematical simplicitys sake, would it be better to do 1 ml/250 mg every other day to make the most of the Prop, or could you do 500 twice a week like I do withe Cyp or Enth?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=delta1111;5416419]Hi Ronnie,
When performing bicep curls, do you start each rep from a straight arm position to encourage development of a longer fuller bicep? or do you come down to a slightly bent arm to keep tension on the muscle at all times? Advantages and disadvantages of using each method please.
Many thanks. KEEP TENSION ON MUSCLES FOR INCREASED DEVELOPMENT AND PREVENTION OF INJURY TO BICEP/TRICEP TENDONS. HYPER EXTENDING THE ELBOW IS NEVER A GOOD THING. BENT ARM IS THE WAY TO GO. /QUOTE]ABOVE

[yannyboy]

Ronnie, I did my first slingshot chest workout yesterday.
I did 10 sets and dropped weight slightly so I could use perfect form. When I normally train chest(I have been using Dorian Yates HIT training system) it takes about 24 hours before I feel some aches. After this workout I felt the aches about 10 hours later and today my chest is so sore, I can't even touch it.
Cheers Ronnie for opening up my eyes to this form of training. I am sticking with this for good. I like to train 6 days a week, do you have a nice 6 day split you could recommend?

[yannyboy]

Ronnie, what do you think of Igf-1 and what is a normal dose?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie, what do you think of Igf-1 and what is a normal dose?

I commented on this a few pages back..Simply scrol back and read..

[yannyboy]

I commented on this a few pages back..Simply scrol back and read..

Ah yes, I found it Ronnie. I still have a couple of questions,
1. You suggest going for IM but I read that after it is injected IM, within 30 seconds its in the blood stream so it makes no difference. What do you think?
2. What dose do you think someone who has never taken it should start with? I read Dave Palumbo's protocol and he suggests a low amount between 10-20mcg to stop any receptor downgrading.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ah yes, I found it Ronnie. I still have a couple of questions,
1. You suggest going for IM but I read that after it is injected IM, within 30 seconds its in the blood stream so it makes no difference. What do you think?I DOUBT IT MAKES MUCH DIFFERENCE EITHER WAY BUT IM IS THE WAY I HAVE SEEN IT USED THE MOST. 2. What dose do you think someone who has never taken it should start with? I read Dave Palumbo's protocol and he suggests a low amount between 10-20mcg to stop any receptor downgrading. I WOULD GO 20 mcg

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[Heman78]

Ronnie, I have a questioin in our article you say, "There's no value in going past 8 weeks of using anabolics unless you are cutting and getting ready for a show. Once an 8 week cycle is completed you would have to escelate anabolic dosages much higher to get additional results-hence more side effects would occur and over-training would manifest itself". so that suggest coming off AAS totally (no-use=no-use). and my rep range for this 8 week reload is between 8-10. however at times I feel that i can go higher in reps. will that be counter productive during this phaes??? And thanx for advice on my laggin pec I'll be following your words to the T...........

[DUCATI999]

Hello ronnie... Thanx on this wonderful thread...Iv been reading and having a blast bro...
very informative ... also very fresh and renewing.. I must say Im a a high sets number person.. 15 sets per large body part once a week , I cant wait to start with this new style you presented... as i had been natural for a full year .. and im currently cuting.. in a month or so I should begin this new method I wana give it a try , it looks very promising...
Im 22... been using since a young age (you can see iv been here a while) currently natural at 225 LBS 12%BF 180C"m
will be kikin it old school - test enanthate+ nandrolone
weeks 1-8 Reload test enanthate on 750 m"g per week
weeks 9-10 Deaload test enanthate on 250 m"g per week
weeks 11-18 Reload test enanthate on 750 m"g per week
weeks 11-18 Reload nandrolonr deconate (deca) on 400 m"g per week
weeks 19-20 Deload test enanthate on 250 m"g per week
weeks 21-25 PCT clomide - 50 m"g per day
week 21-22 PCT HCG 1500 IU EOD per injection...
pure Pct I know but I do have some experience with my body + I do not belive in agressive Pct...
protin intake will go accordingly to the reload and deload phases... and traning will do so as well
I cant wait to get started.... Im asking this a month pre cycle so Ill have time to adjust everything to the top...
is my protocol good by you?
If you can add something Ill be more than happy to change what ever you fined to be wrong (sorry for my pure spelling)

[tsr183]

Hey Ron I have read most of your post and you have answered some questions I have been wondering about for years! Im 24yrs old, have been working out for 8 years. Im 6'2'' Starting weight was 135lbs 8 years ago, currently 245lbs at 18%bf. I have done a couple of cycles and its the only time I ever felt "normal". I had two testicular torsions and finally decided to go to the Urologist and found out my nuts are two small for my age and my test levels were 150ng/dl. Dr put me on test cyp right away at 200mg/every two weeks. I felt great pretty quickly. My question is I have a great source for test-cyp, anavar, hcg, arimidex, and deca. I have been running the test cyp at 200mg every two weeks for 7 weeks the upped it to 400mg/week for last 3 weeks. I came upon your post and Im blown away with all your knowledge...

My goals are to get as big a possible and lose a few pounds around the midsection, maybe get down to 12-14%bf. Can you tell me how to run my supps to get as big as genetically possible the correct way for slingshot. My current diet is 30%protein 50%carbs 20%fats. I follow my diet to a fault and dont see the fat loss coming although I have put on decent mass size.

Would you mind giving me a breakdown on how the workout would go. When you say 12sets for major muscle groups does that mean chest/back/quads? How many sets/reps for smaller groups?

[yannyboy]

Just read that Tricky Jackson, user of the Slingshot Training System, has won the Sacremento Pro 2010.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ron i have read most of your post and you have answered some questions i have been wondering about for years! Im 24yrs old, have been working out for 8 years. Im 6'2'' starting weight was 135lbs 8 years ago, currently 245lbs at 18%bf. I have done a couple of cycles and its the only time i ever felt "normal". I had two testicular torsions and finally decided to go to the urologist and found out my nuts are two small for my age and my test levels were 150ng/dl. Dr put me on test cyp right away at 200mg/every two weeks. I felt great pretty quickly. My question is i have a great source for test-cyp, anavar, hcg, arimidex, and deca. I have been running the test cyp at 200mg every two weeks for 7 weeks the upped it to 400mg/week for last 3 weeks. I came upon your post and im blown away with all your knowledge...

My goals are to get as big a possible and lose a few pounds around the midsection, maybe get down to 12-14%bf. Can you tell me how to run my supps to get as big as genetically possible the correct way for slingshot. My current diet is 30%protein 50%carbs 20%fats. I follow my diet to a fault and dont see the fat loss coming although i have put on decent mass size.

Would you mind giving me a breakdown on how the workout would go. When you say 12sets for major muscle groups does that mean chest/back/quads? How many sets/reps for smaller groups? work sets are between 6-12 depending on what works best for the individual. It's imperative that you experiement to see what volume works best for you. Feel free to post your workout and i'll take a look at it and tell you what i think. Deca and var can decrease sex drive so using more test alone would be better in your case . For mass go with drugs like test/tren/d-bol. A combination of all 3 works great!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

hello ronnie... Thanx on this wonderful thread...iv been reading and having a blast bro...
Very informative ... Also very fresh and renewing.. I must say im a a high sets number person.. 15 sets per large body part once a week , i cant wait to start with this new style you presented... As i had been natural for a full year .. And im currently cuting.. In a month or so i should begin this new method i wana give it a try , it looks very promising...
Im 22... Been using since a young age (you can see iv been here a while) currently natural at 225 lbs 12%bf 180c"m
will be kikin it old school - test enanthate+ nandrolone
weeks 1-8 reload test enanthate on 750 m"g per week
weeks 9-10 deaload test enanthate on 250 m"g per week
weeks 11-18 reload test enanthate on 750 m"g per week(increase test to 1 gram during second phase)weeks 11-18 reload nandrolonr deconate (deca) on 400 m"g per week
weeks 19-20 deload test enanthate on 250 m"g per week
weeks 21-25 pct clomide - 50 m"g per day
week 21-22 pct hcg 1500 iu eod per injection...
Pure pct i know but i do have some experience with my body + i do not belive in agressive pct...
Protin intake will go accordingly to the reload and deload phases... And traning will do so as well
i cant wait to get started.... Im asking this a month pre cycle so ill have time to adjust everything to the top...
Is my protocol good by you?
If you can add something ill be more than happy to change what ever you fined to be wrong (sorry for my pure spelling)

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