9/11 What do you think?

[JuliusPleaser]

retards?.... i guess if the government told u 2+2 is 7 you would believe it ?....did u remember how many retards were burned at the stake for being witches....or how many people died because their invisible person they believe in is different from the majorities invisible person...it was once considered HERACY to believe the SUN was the center of the solar system instead of the earth like the bible claimed

anyway, if you know ur history, governments have lied and killed their own people for centuries, its ur ego to think that america is any better than any other government...

how would the "nwo" control all of us, they already do, its called paper money..... shit aint real and has no value...how??? because the federal reserve has the power to inflate or deflate the value...and by doing that, they can control how we live, how many slave hours we work....they tax us on everything we do in life so they can make a cut off of our asses...we aint free, we never were free LOL...

the word conspiracy is a clever way to stop people from thinking...theres no conspiracy here...its just busines!!!...its powerful people who are doing business together without you knowing, otherwise it wouldn't work because of conflict of interest...theres people who would rob and kill u for your jewlery, rapes women, kill babies, steal from their friends and family; what makes u think there aren't people who wouldnt glady "sacrifice" their own citizens to gain power....its happend through out histroy not just in 3rd world contries...look at STALIN killing 30 MILLION of his own people just to purge anyone who was considered a threat to his power...but no, not in precious america?.....LOL

if everyone drops their emotions and uses the scientific method, you will find that the most important goal is finding the truth...the scienfitic method does not care how u feel about something, it gives u the truth, and the most of the time the truth hurts sooooooo much that people go in denial and dont wanna hear it...so people they start labeling others as "crazies" or "conspirators" even as THREATS to their own lively hood, because having to change is something people DONT wanna do...they are comfortable in their little happy bubble

hey i guess those who believed the earth was round should have been burned at the stake during the times everyone else believe it was flat?

but we can sit here and argue all day, the fact is, look at both sides and see what makes more logical sense to an adult mind...without using YOUR emotions or instilled MORAL mapping...

maybe YOU wouldn't kill someone for oil, or money, or profits, or power, but as i seeen it, our lovely gov has NO problem sending their "beloved" troops to die for no reason...

so ill break it down for you using logic

BREAKDOWN...

money runs the world...whoever controls money, runs the world...who controls it?...BANKERS...MONEY CONTROLS HOW WE LIVE...

religion is all from whati have researched are all the same stories from sumerian and egyptian times...what does it do, it creates splits and divides the people by their BELIEFS which is hard to changes and accept...when all the stories really are, are personifications of NATURAL events in astrology, nature, and the universe, made into stories, so dumb ass people can understand and relate to it....does it make sense to a normal adult that someone can walk on water?...no, so dont take the story literal...religion's purpose, CONTROL THE HEARTS OF THE PEOPLE...

GOVERMENT literaly means, GOVern MENT, 'ment' as in MENTAL, so " govern the mind...policies, issues, debates, whatever, all created to control how u think, how you are "supposed" to live

MILITARY/POLICE - enforces these systems on you...

MEDIA, control ALL the information you are exposed to...newpapers, tv, radio, all controlled by a FEW people in this world...since the interent was created, NOW people have a change to learn the TRUTH about whats goin on...and thus the speedy growth of alternative information..

now will all these things in the hands of a FEW "elected" officals, its quite easy to see how we are all manipulated DAILY on how to think and live and even FEEL...

so it is very difficult to disarm someone who believes america is AMAZING because they IDENTIFY with it emotionally, mentally, and physically (thru labor)...so when you tell them that their government is an imperial corporate entity, they take it PERSONALLY, thus quicky identifying you as the ENEMY since you are trying to SHATTER their beliefs and feelings...sine the EGO doesn't want to be WRONG, becasuse being wrong is like being killed...HOWEVER, if you allow someone to learn this on their own, then they can slowly adapt to new information...and the ego will take credit for this new change

so myconclusion is simple...stop arguing, start doing ur own research and most important keep an OPEN mind...dont follow your "heart" follow your "MIND"...

heres some more very controversial things that you should look into:

the holohaox by starting here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61pWizSc-go is not anti semetic to question this event (also look up david cole)

zionist conspiracy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqM_zOs0lsw its not anti semetic to fight zionism which is against jewish law

watch the history channels "ancient aliens" series http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DCCXbWTQNw its not sci fi to see the evidence of other life beyond yourself

the truth about the american goverment here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NpTVXitOQk from former government oifficals

google MK ULTRA - governemnt mind control expeirements on citizen during the 60-70s using LSD etc..

google golf of tokin falseflag government has already attacked itself in the US history to start a war

google operation norwoods plan to fly planes into our own buildings and blame cuba for it to start an invasion

google the president of irans SPEECHES and notice how the entire world knows how messed up we are, and how our governemnt just wants to create lies and take over their resources, they know and we dont because we have a "controlled" media...the whole world knows about our BS, thats why they hate us, not because of our "freedoms" LOL

i mean i can just keep on going...but you should question EVERYTHNG u have every learned in ur life until it makes sense with what you know about your life's experience and how it is congruent with the laws of nature and reality...

good luck with ur new journy to the truth

[marcus300]

This is a great debate and i'd like to thank everyone for commenting, ive really enjoy reading both sides of this discussion, keep the coming.

I would like to ask a question though and Swifto touched on this subject, "if" the WTC was rigged with explosives, that kind of operation would have of taken a lot of man power and time, now why haven't we heard of 1 person claiming they helped to demolish the WTC, even if they were paid vast amounts of money to keep silent surely just one of them would have some kind guilt issues? and what about the people who would of seen this kind of operation going on?

[Twist]

After checking all the facts I've come to the conclusion that all you conspiracy people are retards.

I kinda made the same conclusion after reading those links I posted...

I concur, complete retards.......

Wow great job monitors...

This is a great debate and i'd like to thank everyone for commenting, ive really enjoy reading both sides of this discussion, keep the coming.

I would like to ask a question though and Swifto touched on this subject, "if" the WTC was rigged with explosives, that kind of operation would have of taken a lot of man power and time, now why haven't we heard of 1 person claiming they helped to demolish the WTC, even if they were paid vast amounts of money to keep silent surely just one of them would have some kind guilt issues? and what about the people who would of seen this kind of operation going on?

There are many different theories about who rigged what, and many potential political ties. However it is all speculation. We will never really know. Parties on both sides of this are wrong. 9/11 is somewhere in the middle, not on the conspiracy theory side, not on the osama side. It is somewhere in the middle. If you just look at the facts, cold hard facts, it doesn't make sense at all.

[Matt]

Wow great job monitors...



There are many different theories about who rigged what, and many potential political ties. However it is all speculation. We will never really know. Parties on both sides of this are wrong. 9/11 is somewhere in the middle, not on the conspiracy theory side, not on the osama side. It is somewhere in the middle. If you just look at the facts, cold hard facts, it doesn't make sense at all.

Your welcome.....

[DSM4Life]

Your welcome.....

+2 ...

[PistolStarta]

I used to be on the side of conspiracy theory but for every zeitgeist and loose change video there's videos debunking at least some of what that video says, therefore making them just another piece of one sided bullshit. They take one firefighter or someone at the scene saying they heard an explosion and OMG that means it was explosives. Have you ever heard a building collapse? I'm sure there's plenty of noises.

[DSM4Life]

This is a great debate and i'd like to thank everyone for commenting, ive really enjoy reading both sides of this discussion, keep the coming.

I would like to ask a question though and Swifto touched on this subject, "if" the WTC was rigged with explosives, that kind of operation would have of taken a lot of man power and time, now why haven't we heard of 1 person claiming they helped to demolish the WTC, even if they were paid vast amounts of money to keep silent surely just one of them would have some kind guilt issues? and what about the people who would of seen this kind of operation going on?

I love how the one video points out that there is dust being pushed out of the lower windows as the building fall. They claim this "puff of smoke" coming out is what happens when and explosive pressure is present. Did they ever think that maybe the pressure blowing out was from the god damn building falling down ?! The building was falling into itself so where do you think all that energy and pressure is going to go ?

[PistolStarta]

I love how the one video points out that there is dust being pushed out of the lower windows as the building fall. They claim this "puff of smoke" coming out is what happens when and explosive pressure is present. Did they ever think that maybe the pressure blowing out was from the god damn building falling down ?! The building was falling into itself so where do you think all that energy and pressure is going to go ?

lol I had that in my above comment and took it out, agreed haha.. Like glass is hard to shatter a singing fat woman can do it.

[DSM4Life]

Not to mention how you guys keep saying but the building fell into itself, when has that ever happened ? If you watched the video i did where they spoke to one of the engineers you would have learned that skyscrapers are build to fall into themselves. They build them this way in case a build does fall down it won't fall into other buildings are cause more harm.

[Flagg]

So this is basically a thread about who is more right and who can cherry pick the most videos to back up their opinions and theories.

I'm on the fence with this one, at one stage I was against the idea that any sort of planned demolition was involved but I think Mr Rose and BJJ had some mathematical evidence to back this claim up?

I'm probably more with Swifto on this, that im more inclined to believe that the Bush Administration could have set up a terrorist cell, even if said terrorists did not realise they were being manipulated, and "allowed" the event to happen. Seriously, how does a civilian plane allowed to get that close to Pentagon airspace?

Oh well, no one here will ever know the truth, not in our life times anyways.

[sigman roid]

This is a great debate and i'd like to thank everyone for commenting, ive really enjoy reading both sides of this discussion, keep the coming.

I would like to ask a question though and Swifto touched on this subject, "if" the WTC was rigged with explosives, that kind of operation would have of taken a lot of man power and time, now why haven't we heard of 1 person claiming they helped to demolish the WTC, even if they were paid vast amounts of money to keep silent surely just one of them would have some kind guilt issues? and what about the people who would of seen this kind of operation going on?

If you were involved in bringing down the WTC would you speak out?

Your life would be over.

Im not saying i agree that it was a inside job and i dont think we'll ever know what really happened

[marcus300]

Wow great job monitors...
There are many different theories about who rigged what, and many potential political ties. However it is all speculation. We will never really know. Parties on both sides of this are wrong. 9/11 is somewhere in the middle, not on the conspiracy theory side, not on the osama side. It is somewhere in the middle. If you just look at the facts, cold hard facts, it doesn't make sense at all.

That doesnt answer anything or even give me an indication of why no one as ever spoken out, come on at least give me some kind of expanation what makes interesting reading and keeps the debate going.

I love how the one video points out that there is dust being pushed out of the lower windows as the building fall. They claim this "puff of smoke" coming out is what happens when and explosive pressure is present. Did they ever think that maybe the pressure blowing out was from the god damn building falling down ?! The building was falling into itself so where do you think all that energy and pressure is going to go ?

Yes, ive thought the same

So this is basically a thread about who is more right and who can cherry pick the most videos to back up their opinions and theories.

I'm on the fence with this one, at one stage I was against the idea that any sort of planned demolition was involved but I think Mr Rose and BJJ had some mathematical evidence to back this claim up?

I'm probably more with Swifto on this, that im more inclined to believe that the Bush Administration could have set up a terrorist cell, even if said terrorists did not realise they were being manipulated, and "allowed" the event to happen. Seriously, how does a civilian plane allowed to get that close to Pentagon airspace?

Oh well, no one here will ever know the truth, not in our life times anyways.

You speak wise words Flagg,

If you were involved in bringing down the WTC would you speak out?

Your life would be over.

Im not saying i agree that it was a inside job and i dont think we'll ever know what really happened

Yes I think humans would speak out or at least one or two who are struggling with immense guilt over all those killings, remember these people aren't pathological killers they are driven by money or thats what is trying to be pushed here, so why haven't any wrote a suicide letter and killed themselves due to the burden and guilt of this being on their shoulders, at least a few would need to release the pressure surely??

[sigman roid]

Yes I think humans would speak out or at least one or two who are struggling with immense guilt over all those killings, remember these people aren't pathological killers they are driven by money or thats what is trying to be pushed here, so why haven't any wrote a suicide letter and killed themselves due to the burden and guilt of this being on their shoulders, at least a few would need to release the pressure surely??[/QUOTE]

I hear what your saying marcus,I just think if your the type of person who is going to rig a building with explosives, knowing the amount of people you are likely to kill then your mind is allready made up to keep your mouth well and truely closed.

[40plusnewbie]

Someone tell me something...

If there is a "Amero" and the every European nation joins the "Euro", then there's another f*ck off currency, then one big currency for the NWO and eventually there is one government ruling all of us, what happens then...?

Whats the point of the NWO? What happens when we are ALL controlled by the NWO?

Let me guess.... Were all experimented on and bred with animals and become hybrid animals or something... Right? Or we have to work on a giant spacecraft so they (The NWO) can discover other planets whilst we sit here and throw rocks at each other.

How the f*ck can ONE government (NWO) control EVERYONE?

What happens is the rich occupy all the beautiful land by the sea and in country while the vast majority are packed together living in little cities running like rats on a wheel just like they are doing now.

U heard of the RFID chip? The chip that can be planted under peoples skin and all sorts of data about them can be put on it? Do you think it's possible that within the next say, 100 years this chip will start to be marketed to parents of newborn children with the sales pitch "It is an accurate gps tracking device, if you child ever turns up missing, one phone call from you and their exact location will be known within 30 seconds and police can be dispatched immediately to that location." Do you think some parents will like that idea and agree to have the chip implanted under their babies skin then? Well if a lot or most parents do, the children grow up thinking it's normal to have a tracking device controlled by the gov't under your skin just like you grew up thinking it was normal to play with toys. So all their kids get chipped. Everything can be stored on these chips, bank acct info, everything. Then he who controls the chips has a hell of a lot of power. Do you think that some people in this world love power and controlling others?

I happen to love my freedom and want to be left alone.

[marcus300]

Yes I think humans would speak out or at least one or two who are struggling with immense guilt over all those killings, remember these people aren't pathological killers they are driven by money or thats what is trying to be pushed here, so why haven't any wrote a suicide letter and killed themselves due to the burden and guilt of this being on their shoulders, at least a few would need to release the pressure surely??

I understand your stand point but we don't know how we are going to react after the event, greed would overcome many guys "before" the event but "after" the mass murder many wouldn't be able to cope with such burden. We are not fully in charge of our emotions when we talk about guilt,burden and pressure.

The less people involved in a crime the more chance you will have in getting away with it, people talk or have some kind of emotion to deal with and the rigging of the WTC would consist of many people and for me at this stage someone would of talked one way or another.

I've read both sides of the debate here and I really enjoy the passion some are showing but for me, it comes down to the question I asked.

[40plusnewbie]

The thing about these conspiracy's is they include SO many people for them to be true. That's what I cant get my head around.

Who the hell is going to wire the WTC with explosives? It would take hundreds of people. Your telling me there all happy with killing 3,000 innocent lives? They must ALL be some sick f*cks.

I don't know about any WTC conspiracy or whatever (I've heard arguments, sure) but have you ever heard of the Bilderberg Group Swifto?

[sigman roid]

I understand your stand point but we don't know how we are going to react after the event, greed would overcome many guys "before" the event but "after" the mass murder many wouldn't be able to cope with such burden. We are not fully in charge of our emotions when we talk about guilt,burden and pressure.

The less people involved in a crime the more chance you will have in getting away with it, people talk or have some kind of emotion to deal with and the rigging of the WTC would consist of many people and for me at this stage someone would of talked one way or another.

I've read both sides of the debate here and I really enjoy the passion some are showing but for me, it comes down to the question I asked.

For me im still on the fence as to wheather the u.s goverment had anything to do with it,theres good arguments on both sides.

[40plusnewbie]

This rips apart the conspiracy's one by one....

http://www.america.gov/st/webchat-en...0.9919245.html

Does it rip apart the debasing of our currency argument that goes something like this: so that the dollar, which was worth a dollar a couple hundred years ago is now worth like 6 cents or some shit?

[40plusnewbie]

I think Alex Jones is a bit of a nutter...

He may be right about the NWO etc... Because if the US Government knew about the attacks they can profit, there's no denying scarring the population and scaremongering works.

Same with the UK Government possibly knowing about the 7/7 attacks. Thats a a pretty easy mission if it was the UK Government really, compared to the 9/11 attacks that is.

But he's bullshit explanation about the WTC, Flight 93 and Pentagon are madness IMHO. He has a theory twisted against the Government for EVERYTHING. I bet he sure as f*ck goes to a hospital if he's ill though.

Reminds me of the money grabbing c*nts waging war on out nation, not paying a shilling in tax and sponging off of the system, then using the NHS or calling the Police if the shit hits the fan when Allah isnt around. Now they do f*ck me off, proper style!

I agree with you that he's a bit of a nutter but I'll tell you this: I believe that he cares more about my freedom than any politician in Washington DC does.

[40plusnewbie]

Video series 'confessions of an economic hitman' talks about how those in power go about taking over power in different countries, etc. I don't know the guy but listening to him talk, he seems quite stable, honest, and at least to me comes across as truthful. It's a dry watch (part' 1, 2, and 3) but this guy is someone who was supposedly in the know about how a lot of inside stuff went down. Like first they would offer bribes to a countries leader (economic hit man) if they didn't go for that they would go for assassination, and if they couldn't get that (like in Sadam's case because he had so many doubles and kept himself hidden so well they would just break out a war to get what they want). Think what u will of what this guy says but he comes across much more like a college professor than a wound up alex jones... They are LONG vid's though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTbdn...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29GhX...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l22O3...eature=related

[JuliusPleaser]

Great book to read ....

911 Commission Report: omissions and distortions, By Dr David Ray Griffin

just shows you how much BULLCRAP the government comes up with, and how many lies IN the commission were created to cover up their incompetance of 911...

[Twist]

That doesnt answer anything or even give me an indication of why no one as ever spoken out, come on at least give me some kind of expanation what makes interesting reading and keeps the debate going.

Its said Israeli spec ops helped and there is a link to some politician, but I don't follow all of the deep conspiracy details cuz any far side of the spectrum is filled with wackos. I just look at the facts and they are inconsistent in this case, and many others. People have spoken out, just nobody listens. In other countries people speak of us being stupid and ignorant all the time. But as for one person copping to the deal? no way. Even if he did he would be taken out and no media is gonna air that because there would be repercussions. I am sure someone has said something, it just fell on deaf ears.

[Dont wanna be old]

Would you feel better knowing the undisputed truth ?
What if someone came forward and admitted to being part of conspiracy and new facts that where undeniable ?
I doubt you would feel any better , but worse off knowing that everything you believe in is one big lie .

Anyone that believes OUR government could bring harm to anyone is a retard .

It's not like we celebrate thanksgiving and hail Christopher Columbus for discovering America .
We horded up the Indians and took there land , putting them on reservations and dehumanizing them .
We never went to another continent and captured people to make them slaves . That wouldn't bring a Civil war would it .

I could rant forever on the atrocities we have brought on our selves and others .
So why would it not be possible that certain individuals couldn't plan something this big ?

The facts are there are too many inconsistencies too prove any theory .

[Twist]

I would feel better.

[Dont wanna be old]

I would feel better.

That's what Thanksgiving is for .
When you figure this out , then you will understand .

[Swifto]

I don't know about any WTC conspiracy or whatever (I've heard arguments, sure) but have you ever heard of the Bilderberg Group Swifto?

Yes...

[Hoggage_54]

[MACHINE5150]

I just watched this and want to know what you guys think, two fire fighters in the towers when it happend talking about hearing bombs go off.... you have to fast forward to right @ ten min if you just want to hear them talk about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fzj7aCuSEEhttp://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fzj7aCuSEE

could have also been the elevators dropping from a hundred floors when the cables snapped due to the heat. that would force the air from the elevator shaft out into the lobby.. breathing air into the fire and sound like an explosion when it hit the ground

Loose Change has more loose ends in its story than it claims the government does in it's cover up..

[MACHINE5150]

anyone see the speach that got kennedy killed?? here is the link..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces

I don't think that the government is behind this.. but i do think more than a few muslims from saudia arabia knew this was going to happen

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

So this is basically a thread about who is more right and who can cherry pick the most videos to back up their opinions and theories.

I'm on the fence with this one, at one stage I was against the idea that any sort of planned demolition was involved but I think Mr Rose and BJJ had some mathematical evidence to back this claim up?

I'm probably more with Swifto on this, that im more inclined to believe that the Bush Administration could have set up a terrorist cell, even if said terrorists did not realise they were being manipulated, and "allowed" the event to happen. Seriously, how does a civilian plane allowed to get that close to Pentagon airspace?

Oh well, no one here will ever know the truth, not in our life times anyways.

Yeah, Mr. Rose and BJJ busted it with some math and physics. The numbers don't lie. 2+2 is 4 anyway you look at it. Its just your average joe can't process a little calculus 3 and physics 2, so they just throw it out as a bunch of garbage.

And good point about the airspace. I mean, hell, we can find a pimple on a sailors ass out in the middle of the ocean in a split second, yet we didn't know all these planes, at such low elevations, were close to hitting such big/protected targets? I guess an air traffic controller was on lunch break...

[DSM4Life]

Yeah, Mr. Rose and BJJ busted it with some math and physics. The numbers don't lie. 2+2 is 4 anyway you look at it. Its just your average joe can't process a little calculus 3 and physics 2, so they just throw it out as a bunch of garbage.

And good point about the airspace. I mean, hell, we can find a pimple on a sailors ass out in the middle of the ocean in a split second, yet we didn't know all these planes, at such low elevations, were close to hitting such big/protected targets? I guess an air traffic controller was on lunch break...

How can we see something that we weren't looking for ? Everything was relaxed pre 911.

[40plusnewbie]

Yes...

And do you think the Bilderberg group has your best interests at heart, or maybe other people's best interests at heart (like their OWN), even maybe at the expense of what your best interests are?

Why are they not covered in the mainstream media, and denied by same for years? Doesn't it concern you that heads of state, foreign and usa gov't leaders, media moguls, ambitious politicians, and uber rich heads of multi national corporations meet in secret every year and no one knows what is talked about?

[calgarian]

This is a great debate and i'd like to thank everyone for commenting, ive really enjoy reading both sides of this discussion, keep the coming.

I would like to ask a question though and Swifto touched on this subject, "if" the WTC was rigged with explosives, that kind of operation would have of taken a lot of man power and time, now why haven't we heard of 1 person claiming they helped to demolish the WTC, even if they were paid vast amounts of money to keep silent surely just one of them would have some kind guilt issues? and what about the people who would of seen this kind of operation going on?

Bush's brother ownes a demolition company.....give me million dollar and I can have anything done in this country.....Take a look at the building 7 explosion Marcus...oh and bush's brother had a building all for his company little earlier with no one inside but his men..... I stopped replying in this thread but since u asked i had to reply...cheers boys.

[marcus300]

Bush's brother ownes a demolition company.....give me million dollar and I can have anything done in this country.....Take a look at the building 7 explosion Marcus...oh and bush's brother had a building all for his company little earlier with no one inside but his men..... I stopped replying in this thread but since u asked i had to reply...cheers boys.

It doesnt answer my question that Cal, if what people believe to be true there would have to be alot of people involved in rigging all the buildings and its human nature for one or a few of them to come forward and speak the truth because of their guilt and shame, no matter how much money is involved why hasn't anyone come forward who was involved?

[MaNiCC]

bump

[HitIt]

joseph goebbels would have had an even bigger fukcing field day with the internet and the easily swayed people of today....