Var/Nolva stack female log

[megang]

Fyi I was at 150.8 today, here are some of my check-in pics

[GirlyGymRat]

What's the cutting stack?

[megang]

What's the cutting stack?

It's from anabolics.com
Test-600x
tren 75
Winn-50
Clen

I started taking it Jan 3

[GirlyGymRat]

It's from anabolics.com Test-600x tren 75 Winn-50 Clen. I started taking it Jan 3

I have no experience using other then Clen. I am not w fan of Clen. I can deal with the shakes. Writing was troublesome. Ppl at work noticed. It's not gonna shred you. It's for the last 5 lbs IMHO. Diet is far more effective. But I did say I HATE Clen. Lol.

[ambernightly]

I have no experience using other then Clen. I am not w fan of Clen. I can deal with the shakes. Writing was troublesome. Ppl at work noticed. It's not gonna shred you. It's for the last 5 lbs IMHO. Diet is far more effective. But I did say I HATE Clen. Lol.

Propranolol (beta blocker) for the shakes. You still get all of the sympathomimetic benefits of Clen (+ increased respiratory for blood oxygenation benefits) without the shakes. I've run up to 160mcg/day of Clen while on AAS and it's alllllll about the beta blockers for making the shakes manageable. It's the same medication that surgeons take. Most doctors will prescribe it without much debate if you go in with shaky hands or hyperhydrosis (sweaty hands), etc.

The last 5lbs... yeah Clen is for more than that. I dropped ~20lbs last summer in 1.5 months while taking Clen, Vyvanse (lysine-bond time release amphetamine - like adderall), Spironolactone (for diuretic), and changing diet. 192 to 170. Then lost more before starting my last AAS cycle in August where I ran Clen and Insulin at the same time (omg the pump) - you remember that thread I'm sure.

Clen is a miracle I love that shit. YMMV. But definitely diet is always always always important no matter what the goal is.

[Bonaparte]

Propranolol (beta blocker) for the shakes. You still get all of the sympathomimetic benefits of Clen (+ increased respiratory for blood oxygenation benefits) without the shakes. I've run up to 160mcg/day of Clen while on AAS and it's alllllll about the beta blockers for making the shakes manageable. It's the same medication that surgeons take. Most doctors will prescribe it without much debate if you go in with shaky hands or hyperhydrosis (sweaty hands), etc.

Unfortunately, Beta-1 agonism from clen at higher doses is responsible for much of its effects. It is only truly selective for B-2 at very low doses.
So by taking propranolol, you're blocking all the B-1 activity (which is very effective for weight loss) and relying on the B-2 effects, which are milder. I'm not crazy about the idea of taking 2 potent drugs to mostly cancel each other out (taking a low dose of clen would be simpler and more fool-proof), but I'll admit that the idea is interesting and has its merits (mostly because it should be blood pressure friendly, since you're cancelling out all adrenergic pressor activity).

[ambernightly]

Unfortunately, Beta-1 agonism from clen at higher doses is responsible for much of its effects. It is only truly selective for B-2 at very low doses.
So by taking propranolol, you're blocking all the B-1 activity (which is very effective for weight loss) and relying on the B-2 effects, which are milder. I'm not crazy about the idea of taking 2 potent drugs to mostly cancel each other out (taking a low dose of clen would be simpler and more fool-proof), but I'll admit that the idea is interesting and has its merits (mostly because it should be blood pressure friendly, since you're cancelling out all adrenergic pressor activity).

mmm, good point... I only take prop if I'm pre-hypertensive from Clen - prefer lower doses whenever possible (which also seems to be body weight dependent but isn't easily equated to a linear scale). I was 30lbs heavier when I was doing >150mcg doses (and that only at last 3 days of the two week clen cycle). Now I can't get above 75mcg without it feeling kinda awful (though maybe it's to do with thyroid med combo?). Going to read more about how Clonidine works with receptors in the presence of Clen - I have a bunch of that on hand... then was considering buying some manner of ACE Inhibitor to try out but I don't know where to start on those yet, still researching. oooh the fun with my home pharmacy never ends!

What blood work should I get?

These are the ones I always ask for

• Total & Free testosterone (not serum only, need total and free)
• DHT (dihydrotestosterone)
• Estradiol (E2 - estrogen. keep in mind this fluctuates very much during the menstrual cycle, so timing of the blood test needs to take that into account when it's being used as a decision making statistic. strive to get blood work done at the same time of the menstrual cycle each time.)
• DHEA (precursor to the aboves)
• Prolactin (progesterone related)
• TSH and/or T3 (thyroid info)
• Lipid panel (need to know cholesterol and other aspects)
• Complete Metabolic Panel (so much useful info)
• CBC w/ automated differential (complete blood cell count)

Been wanting to add these to my consistent list but then I feel like I don't want to pay extra....

• SHBG (see note below)
• Aldosterone (because I'm curious...)
• Progesterone (self explanatory)

Testosterone and estradiol circulate in the bloodstream, bound mostly to SHBG and to a lesser extent serum albumin and corticosteroid-binding globulin (CBG) (AKA transcortin). Only a very small fraction of about 1-2% is unbound, or "free," and thus biologically active and able to enter a cell and activate its receptor. SHBG inhibits the function of these hormones. Thus, bioavailability of sex hormones is influenced by the level of SHBG. The relative binding affinity of various sex steroids for SHBG is dihydrotestosterone (DHT) > testosterone > androstenediol > estradiol > estrone.[3] DHEA is weakly bound to SHBG as well, but DHEA-S is not.[3] Androstenedione is not bound to SHBG either, and is instead bound solely to albumin.[4]

[megang]

I have no experience using other then Clen. I am not w fan of Clen. I can deal with the shakes. Writing was troublesome. Ppl at work noticed. It's not gonna shred you. It's for the last 5 lbs IMHO. Diet is far more effective. But I did say I HATE Clen. Lol.

I have a two month supply but I might just do one month at a time, so one month on and then a month off and see what happens. I also think it could also be from pb2 & possibly a intolerance to peanuts

[GirlyGymRat]

I have a two month supply but I might just do one month at a time, so one month on and then a month off and see what happens. I also think it could also be from pb2 & possibly a intolerance to peanuts

How long u cycling the Clen. And are u doing with Keto?

I have no intolerance to any food except carbs. They make me bloat. I eat very little of them on reg basis. I eat more fat now. And of course more protein then most average gals.

[megang]

How long u cycling the Clen. And are u doing with Keto?

I have no intolerance to any food except carbs. They make me bloat. I eat very little of them on reg basis. I eat more fat now. And of course more protein then most average gals.

I actually might cut the cycle all together for now until I get farther along in my cut.

With the exception of my post workout meal, I have about 25g protein, 20g carbs and 5g fat each meal. Post workout (weight training only) protein is about 30g and carbs are around 40g

[GirlyGymRat]

I actually might cut the cycle all together for now until I get farther along in my cut. With the exception of my post workout meal, I have about 25g protein, 20g carbs and 5g fat each meal. Post workout (weight training only) protein is about 30g and carbs are around 40g

4 or 5 meals a day?

[megang]

4 or 5 meals a day?

6 meals

[GirlyGymRat]

6 meals

You mentioned cheese but I didn't see any cheese on page 1.

You have mentioned hunger. Some ladies use appetite suppressants on cycle.

You look leaner in photos from August! You also look like put on some quality muscle but holding water.

[GirlyGymRat]

Have you considered a cheat meal. One day a week eat a cheat meal. I found it easier to stick to my meals if I knew there was a reward for all my hard work one meal a week.

[megang]

Have you considered a cheat meal. One day a week eat a cheat meal. I found it easier to stick to my meals if I knew there was a reward for all my hard work one meal a week.

That would be up to my coach. I cut the pb2 and cheese as well as my flavor God seasonings due to sodium.

Here is a couple pics from today's arm workout. I love how my arms look huge but really aren't....

[MIKE_XXL]

I just read some of this log and here is some of my input. Not sure what the nolva is for in the first page cycle. The whole Nolva idea was created by Dan Duchaine who later retracted it stating it as a failure and having no significant effect on estrogen related issues woman face for weight loss and water control. so in a nut shell i think it had no added benefit.

more concerning is the cycle i see on this page, if the gear used is legitimate its a high risk cycle. Tren can be a horrible choice for a woman , it is 5 times more androgenic then testosterone and unless someone is a top level female bodybuilder, it simply should not be a part of an arsenal...also test is fine but not at 600mg per week, if i understand the dosing protocol correctly. Clen i have already stated i do not like, it downregulates beta receptors and renders itself useless in a very short period time, usually 2 weeks. I am sorry but if this gear is 100% it will cause you some irreversible side effect, and strongly advice to reconsider.

Other then that good luck with your prep, go kill that show...

[megang]

I just read some of this log and here is some of my input. Not sure what the nolva is for in the first page cycle. The whole Nolva idea was created by Dan Duchaine who later retracted it stating it as a failure and having no significant effect on estrogen related issues woman face for weight loss and water control. so in a nut shell i think it had no added benefit.

more concerning is the cycle i see on this page, if the gear used is legitimate its a high risk cycle. Tren can be a horrible choice for a woman , it is 5 times more androgenic then testosterone and unless someone is a top level female bodybuilder, it simply should not be a part of an arsenal...also test is fine but not at 600mg per week, if i understand the dosing protocol correctly. Clen i have already stated i do not like, it downregulates beta receptors and renders itself useless in a very short period time, usually 2 weeks. I am sorry but if this gear is 100% it will cause you some irreversible side effect, and strongly advice to reconsider.

Other then that good luck with your prep, go kill that show...

Mike it is from anabolics.com and is the cutting stack. It is all orals no injections

[krugerr]

Mike it is from anabolics.com and is the cutting stack. It is all orals no injections

I was just going to say this! The supplements from Anabolics are nothing more than herbal tablets I believe. I think you'd be better to save your money!

Nice blog, subbed!

[megang]

I actually still have my nolva as my diet wasn't on point at that point so I stopped taking it and from what I have read it is best with a low carb diet. I also have a little over a month off var left that I can cycle again.

I have actually cut the cutting stack as well due to water retention in one leg and trying to figure out what it is from.

[krugerr]

Ingredients.

(Source: Ingredients - anabolics.com)

TEST-600x
Serving Size: 1 Tablet
Servings per container: 60


Proprietary Blend - 600mg
*L-Arginine (as HCI)
*Tribulus Fruit Powder
*Caffeine
*Maca Root Powder
*Eurycoma Longfolia (Long Jack) Fruit Powder

Other Ingredients
*Stearic Acid
*DiCalcium Phoshphate
*Micro Crystalline Cellulose
*Magnesium Stearate
*Croscarmellose Sodium
*Silicon Di Oxide
*Pharmaceutical Glaze (Shellac, Povidone

WINN-50
Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings per container: 90
 
Vitamin B12 (as Cyanocobalamin)
Iron (as Amino Acid Chelate)
 
Vanazolol Proprietary Blend - 356.35 mg
*Caffeine
*Dandelion Root Powder
*DHEA (Dehydroepiandrosterone)
*Vanadium (as Vanadyl Sulfate)

Other Ingredients
*Gelatin Capsule
*Magnesium Stearate
*Dicalcium Phosphate
*Soy

TREN 75
Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings per container: 90
 
Finabolon Proprietary Blend - 292 mg
*Tribulus Fruit Powder
*Fenugreek Seed Powder
*Cayenne Pepper Fruit Powder

Other Ingredients
*Gelatin Capsule
*Rice Flour
*Magnesium Stearate
*Titanium Dioxide

CLEN
Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings per container: 90
 
Vitamin B12 (as Cyanocobalamin)
Clen Proprietary Blend - 288.5 mg
*Caffeine
*Cayenne Pepper Powder
*Octopamine HCI
*Guggul oleo-Gum-Resin Extract
*Synephrine HCI

Other Ingredients
Rice Flour
Gelatin Capsule
Magnesium Stearate

[GirlyGymRat]

Krugerr. Unaware of the ingredients myself. Thx for posting. I rather throw my money at Primo. and primo and it loves me back.

Edit. There are other compounds but primo is my fav....so far

[krugerr]

Krugerr. Unaware of the ingredients myself. Thx for posting. I rather throw my money at Primo. and primo and it loves me back. Edit. There are other compounds but primo is my fav....so far

I didn't really know either. I just knew they weren't actually the products they're named after.
Then OP mentioned not knowing why she's retaining water.
Thought I'd dig out the actual ingredient. Might be useful to her.

*edit* Meg also had mentioned cycling her Clen. Which we now know is actually B12, caffeine, synephrine and some other fillers.

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[GirlyGymRat]

I didn't really know either. I just knew they weren't actually the products they're named after. Then OP mentioned not knowing why she's retaining water. Thought I'd dig out the actual ingredient. Might be useful to her. *edit* Meg also had mentioned cycling her Clen. Which we now know is actually B12, caffeine, synephrine and some other fillers. Sent from my iPhone using Forum

I have taken Clen. Didn't know ingredients. :/
I hate Clen. Hand shakes awful for the limited results IMO.

[krugerr]

I have taken Clen. Didn't know ingredients. :/
I hate Clen. Hand shakes awful for the limited results IMO.

Youve taken Clenbuterol? Or the funny herbal pills from the site sponsor?
Sounds like from the shakes you were on Clenbuterol, which I agree is a weak compound.
Seems like Meg is only using the herbal pills?

[GirlyGymRat]

Youve taken Clenbuterol? Or the funny herbal pills from the site sponsor? Sounds like from the shakes you were on Clenbuterol, which I agree is a weak compound. Seems like Meg is only using the herbal pills?

I used clenbuterol. Hand shakes = yuk

[ambernightly]

I didn't really know either. I just knew they weren't actually the products they're named after.
Then OP mentioned not knowing why she's retaining water.
Thought I'd dig out the actual ingredient. Might be useful to her.

*edit* Meg also had mentioned cycling her Clen. Which we now know is actually B12, caffeine, synephrine and some other fillers.

Sent from my iPhone using Forum

Yep, those supps are just garbage marketed with "hey it's like steroid names but it's totally not like steroids at all". Waste of time and money, just hard on the organs. Better to get the education, a real source for real steroids, and blood work done. There's all kinds of reasons for water retention - her aldosterone could be too high, her E2 could be too high, progesterone or prolactin too high, menstrual cycle irregularities, sodium issues, etc etc etc.

real bodybuilding = education, time, money, dedication.

I'll stick by my rule: blood work before anything else. No conjecture needed: base decisions on facts and statistics. The blood does not lie. Use a food tracker to log every bit of food, wear a heart rate monitor 24x7 to track BMR and workout calories. People just need to use the math... it's there... it's not a secret.

[megang]

Krugerr. Unaware of the ingredients myself. Thx for posting.

I rather throw my money at Primo. :heart and primo and it loves me back.

I am going to wait until I am closer to where I need to be to start another cycle of something

[GirlyGymRat]

I am going to wait until I am closer to where I need to be to start another cycle of something

I noticed mike XXL posted in your welcome tread as of late.

Mike has helped me. Great asset to the forum.

[megang]

Youve taken Clenbuterol? Or the funny herbal pills from the site sponsor?
Sounds like from the shakes you were on Clenbuterol, which I agree is a weak compound.
Seems like Meg is only using the herbal pills?

Guess I should have done some more research

[krugerr]

Guess I should have done some more research

Hey, dont sweat it. At least you know now whats in the pills. Better to find out now, than a few more months or years of using them!

You said you were having additional water retention since starting? Maybe a keen eye can look at the combination and suggest a reason these might be impacting that.

-Krugerr

[megang]

Hey, dont sweat it. At least you know now whats in the pills. Better to find out now, than a few more months or years of using them!

You said you were having additional water retention since starting? Maybe a keen eye can look at the combination and suggest a reason these might be impacting that.

-Krugerr

Gives me hope that it isn't the cheese and pb2 though I will probably still stay away from both...

[GirlyGymRat]

Gives me hope that it isn't the cheese and pb2 though I will probably still stay away from both...

I am interested is seeing what happens the next 10 days. I am expecting to see less water retention as it clears your system.

There are healthier fat options to cheese. I used pb2 for a while when I was trying to stop the pb cravings. The choc flavored is better IMHO.

[megang]

I am interested is seeing what happens the next 10 days. I am expecting to see less water retention as it clears your system.

There are healthier fat options to cheese. I used pb2 for a while when I was trying to stop the pb cravings. The choc flavored is better IMHO.

Well we shall see when I check in with my coaches tomorrow morning....

[megang]

150.2 this morning

[GirlyGymRat]

Ok. I must admit. Your log is causing me to be more judicious with my diet. I am going to start eliminating certain food over the next 4 weeks!

Thx for the motivation!

[megang]

Ok. I must admit. Your log is causing me to be more judicious with my diet. I am going to start eliminating certain food over the next 4 weeks!

Thx for the motivation!

Anytime! This is here to track my progress but also as motivation for myself and others

[GirlyGymRat]

Anytime! This is here to track my progress but also as motivation for myself and others

I am anxious to get diet nailed before start my summer cut.

[megang]

Switched workouts to Arnold's blueprint to cut and today wad chest and back. Definitely like the design of this one better as I will hit pretty much everything twice a week with one rest day from lifting

[megang]

[GirlyGymRat]

my shoulders are lame compared to yours.