Gearheaded’s crazy EXPERIMENTS log

[charger69]

Thanks man!!!
You have a kick ass memory!!!


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[GearHeaded]

hey Charlie. well theres quite a few ways to implement different insulin protocols , but thats dependent on your goal and reasons for using insulin.

but no matter the protocol your going to want to get a blood glucose meter (don't even think about insulin use without one). you'll then want to start monitoring your morning fasted blood sugar levels and your post perineal blood sugar levels.
if your fasted blood sugar levels are say 75 before using insulin, and then say 6 weeks after using insulin all that time they are then averaging 105 then you know you've become a bit insulin resistant and its time for a break.
monitoring your post perineal blood sugars is going to tell you how well you process a carb meal. so take this reading about 1.5 hours after eating a carb meal consting of at least 40g of carbs. you should be 130 or under. if your over 130 then you have either some insulin resistance issues, or your not naturally producing enough insulin.

^ these are some basic things you want to know before using insulin.

now once you start using insulin (I'm going to keep this as short as possible) , you can simply start by using 10g of carbs per IU of insulin you use (again this may vary depending on your protocol and insulin type). so take 10iu of Insulin and then consume 100g of carbs. then take your post perineal blood sugar reading. IF your way over 130 then you took in too many carbs for the amount of insulin , if your under 70 and going hypo then you didn't take enough carbs . so just keep doing this and adjust the carbs and dosage as necessary .
keep in mind your body changes over time. sometimes you may dial it in where you know you need 4g of carbs per IU of insulin ,, yet a few months later your sensitivity has changed (through diet and lifestyle modifications) and now you need 8g of carbs.

^ that is all VERY VERY basic. quite a bit more to it then that , but just to give you a rough idea

[Charlie67]

hey Charlie. well theres quite a few ways to implement different insulin protocols , but thats dependent on your goal and reasons for using insulin.

but no matter the protocol your going to want to get a blood glucose meter (don't even think about insulin use without one). you'll then want to start monitoring your morning fasted blood sugar levels and your post perineal blood sugar levels.
if your fasted blood sugar levels are say 75 before using insulin, and then say 6 weeks after using insulin all that time they are then averaging 105 then you know you've become a bit insulin resistant and its time for a break.
monitoring your post perineal blood sugars is going to tell you how well you process a carb meal. so take this reading about 1.5 hours after eating a carb meal consting of at least 40g of carbs. you should be 130 or under. if your over 130 then you have either some insulin resistance issues, or your not naturally producing enough insulin.

^ these are some basic things you want to know before using insulin.

now once you start using insulin (I'm going to keep this as short as possible) , you can simply start by using 10g of carbs per IU of insulin you use (again this may vary depending on your protocol and insulin type). so take 10iu of Insulin and then consume 100g of carbs. then take your post perineal blood sugar reading. IF your way over 130 then you took in too many carbs for the amount of insulin , if your under 70 and going hypo then you didn't take enough carbs . so just keep doing this and adjust the carbs and dosage as necessary .
keep in mind your body changes over time. sometimes you may dial it in where you know you need 4g of carbs per IU of insulin ,, yet a few months later your sensitivity has changed (through diet and lifestyle modifications) and now you need 8g of carbs.

^ that is all VERY VERY basic. quite a bit more to it then that , but just to give you a rough idea

Thanks for that GH, I appreciate the advice.

I'm not sure about getting into insulin just yet, but this seems like a great, and safe, way to get started. Thanks again!

[charger69]

Thanks for that GH, I appreciate the advice.

I'm not sure about getting into insulin just yet, but this seems like a great, and safe, way to get started. Thanks again!

Charlie,
I was scared shitless that it would kill me and I was determined never to try it. I met GH and he went through it in an elementary level and I said, let’s try it.
I did and it is not that bad thing that will kill you. I will say, you need to respect it.
GH gave the protocol and I followed it- no problems.
I did always have glycogen tablets available in a hurry.


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[GearHeaded]

not sure if anyone has noticed or not , but my current cycle phase is
Test/ Tren/ Mast
which is a traditional and popular contest prep or cutting cycle . however I'm using it for massing.

to mass I'm having to implement these drugs a bit differently.
so cycle is
test e 2000mg per week
Tren 1000mg per week (e, ace, and suspension)
Mast p 525mg per week

to gain size with this cycle, rather then lean out like most guys use it for, I'm running 2 grams of test with no AI. This is going to get my estrogen pretty elevated, which is going to work synergistically with the super high amounts of androgens I'm running (when you do the math I'm running 7500mg per week of testosterone equivalent androgens). the super high amount of androgens will off set some of the negative sides that can come with elevated estrogen, yet enhance the positive benefits of the growth that comes with elevated estrogen.

TREN is very very synergistic for muscle growth when combined with high levels of estrogen (this is why ranchers inject cattle with not only Tren to bulk them up, but high amounts of estrogen).

the masteron is in there as a secondary androgen but will help keep my free levels of test on the high end, and also blunt some of the negative effects that can come from prolactin .

so thats how you run a Test/tren/mast cycle for growth rather then for cutting.

of course adding 40iu a day of insulin helps too

just for reference a traditional Test/tren/mast cycle for a cut would look like
400mg test per week
700mg Tren per week
500mg mast per week
AI

[charger69]

not sure if anyone has noticed or not , but my current cycle phase is
Test/ Tren/ Mast
which is a traditional and popular contest prep or cutting cycle . however I'm using it for massing.

to mass I'm having to implement these drugs a bit differently.
so cycle is
test e 2000mg per week
Tren 1000mg per week (e, ace, and suspension)
Mast p 525mg per week

to gain size with this cycle, rather then lean out like most guys use it for, I'm running 2 grams of test with no AI. This is going to get my estrogen pretty elevated, which is going to work synergistically with the super high amounts of androgens I'm running (when you do the math I'm running 7500mg per week of testosterone equivalent androgens). the super high amount of androgens will off set some of the negative sides that can come with elevated estrogen, yet enhance the positive benefits of the growth that comes with elevated estrogen.

TREN is very very synergistic for muscle growth when combined with high levels of estrogen (this is why ranchers inject cattle with not only Tren to bulk them up, but high amounts of estrogen).

the masteron is in there as a secondary androgen but will help keep my free levels of test on the high end, and also blunt some of the negative effects that can come from prolactin .

so thats how you run a Test/tren/mast cycle for growth rather then for cutting.

of course adding 40iu a day of insulin helps too

just for reference a traditional Test/tren/mast cycle for a cut would look like
400mg test per week
700mg Tren per week
500mg mast per week
AI

Hey, you stole my cut cycle.... LOL. Just add a little Winnie.


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[GearHeaded]

Hey, you stole my cut cycle.... LOL. Just add a little Winnie.

just pinned the last of my oil based winstrol a couple days ago

[KennyJ]

GH, I read in another thread about how it's a grind for you on your advanced cycles and you explained how you felt. I could definitely understand this with the amounts you run but do you know of any real scientific evidence of downregulation on D1/D2 dopamine receptors or if it was that one single study that the other guy posted?

[GearHeaded]

GH, I read in another thread about how it's a grind for you on your advanced cycles and you explained how you felt. I could definitely understand this with the amounts you run but do you know of any real scientific evidence of downregulation on D1/D2 dopamine receptors or if it was that one single study that the other guy posted?

unfortunately there is not going to be any solid scientific evidence or studies on these things to any substantial degree. thats because the population pool of guys running "non human grade'' drugs like Trenbolone at super high dosages is just not there. theres really not enough subjects to study and more then likely the study couldn't be conducted with real world body builder dosages because it would be deemed 'too dangerous' or 'unethical' .
so we just have to keep being our own test subjects and see what happens.

but keep in mind that steroids have been around for 60+ years. I'm not aware of a lot of retired body builders who took massive amounts of steroids walking around with mental disorders at any higher rate then anyone else.
the odds of having mental problems are probably 100 times greater from simply drinking alcohol regularly or being diabetic (both very common in todays society).
I'd be more worried about your dentist giving you a script for opioids then I would be about your gym bro giving you some Tren.

but thats stuff that is beyond my "expertise" . I'm more focused on androgen receptors then dopamine receptors at this point

[KennyJ]

unfortunately there is not going to be any solid scientific evidence or studies on these things to any substantial degree. thats because the population pool of guys running "non human grade'' drugs like Trenbolone at super high dosages is just not there. theres really not enough subjects to study and more then likely the study couldn't be conducted with real world body builder dosages because it would be deemed 'too dangerous' or 'unethical' .
so we just have to keep being our own test subjects and see what happens.

but keep in mind that steroids have been around for 60+ years. I'm not aware of a lot of retired body builders who took massive amounts of steroids walking around with mental disorders at any higher rate then anyone else.
the odds of having mental problems are probably 100 times greater from simply drinking alcohol regularly or being diabetic (both very common in todays society).
I'd be more worried about your dentist giving you a script for opioids then I would be about your gym bro giving you some Tren.

but thats stuff that is beyond my "expertise" . I'm more focused on androgen receptors then dopamine receptors at this point

Gotcha, yea I haven't even opened the study to read it because I think he said it was done on rats. I may check it out when I get a chance.

[Obs]

Do it or you have no balls

[Charlie67]

Do it or you have no balls

Haha, Obs, you missed your calling as a motivational speaker.... I'm pretty sure that was the EXACT same advice that got me to try pot the first time.

Charlie,
I was scared shitless that it would kill me and I was determined never to try it. I met GH and he went through it in an elementary level and I said, let’s try it.
I did and it is not that bad thing that will kill you. I will say, you need to respect it.
GH gave the protocol and I followed it- no problems.
I did always have glycogen tablets available in a hurry.


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Thanks Charger, it's a little less about fear and more about need. I can't quite seem to figure out what it will do for me given my current diet/training. I think I need to figure out a goal and then see how insulin might help me get there. I'm kind of just treading water right now, and have been since the end of the last competition in October. I know we talked a few times about me maybe doing a show in the next year or two... But until I get my mind set on something, adding insulin just complicates things for me. there's about 10 more paragraphs I want to add to this, but I don't want to hijack GH's thread.

[KennyJ]

In layman's terms how anabolic is insulin compared to other hormones?

[GearHeaded]

In layman's terms how anabolic is insulin compared to other hormones?

if it wasn't for Insulin (endogenous) we wouldn't be able to build muscle. we could take all the tren in the world and still wouldn't build muscle without insulin. insulin is the 'key' that unlocks muscle cells and allows them to receive glycogen, amino acids, nutrients, and everything else needed to build muscle.

[KennyJ]

if it wasn't for Insulin (endogenous) we wouldn't be able to build muscle. we could take all the tren in the world and still wouldn't build muscle without insulin. insulin is the 'key' that unlocks muscle cells and allows them to receive glycogen, amino acids, nutrients, and everything else needed to build muscle.

Thanks GH, I had read about the effects on glycogen, amino acids, nutrients etc. from insulin in an article somewhere. I'm just trying to educate myself about it. I'm not thinking of incorporating extra insulin anytime soon but I want to know everything about it in case I ever do.
There are 2 things that really scare me in the whole AAS world.
The first one is HGH just simply because it makes absolutely everything grow.
The second one is insulin for the obvious reasons.

[Narkissos]

if it wasn't for Insulin (endogenous) we wouldn't be able to build muscle. we could take all the tren in the world and still wouldn't build muscle without insulin. insulin is the 'key' that unlocks muscle cells and Fr allows them to receive glycogen, amino acids, nutrients, and everything else needed to build muscle.

Facts.
Exogenous use has application even whilst cutting.

Nutrient partitioning. Accelerated Ketosis (for those who subscribe that sort of dieting). More lean tissue retention (via better-timed nutrient partitioning, cortisol suppression, and igf-1 receptor stimulation).

Insulin has always been my top 3 favourite compounds.

Period.

[GearHeaded]

Facts.
Exogenous use has application even whilst cutting.

Nutrient partitioning. Accelerated Ketosis (for those who subscribe that sort of dieting). More lean tissue retention (via better-timed nutrient partitioning, cortisol suppression, and igf-1 receptor stimulation).

Insulin has always been my top 3 favourite compounds.

Period.

fasted cardio with 3iu of insulin, 10mg yohimbe, 2iu HGH (or 500mcg hgh-frag), has always been something I've promoted for fat loss (or modifications similar), and people seem to get confused as to why the insulin is in there for a fat loss protocol. well as you mention there are plenty of reasons

[Narkissos]

fasted cardio with 3iu of insulin, 10mg yohimbe, 2iu HGH (or 500mcg hgh-frag), has always been something I've promoted for fat loss (or modifications similar), and people seem to get confused as to why the insulin is in there for a fat loss protocol. well as you mention there are plenty of reasons

You are right.
Ignore my previous post.
You're ballsdeep in the underbelly of hormone manipulation.
I'm super-excited to see what else your logs bring. My brain is itching

[Narkissos]

Facts.
Exogenous use has application even whilst cutting.

Nutrient partitioning. Accelerated Ketosis (for those who subscribe that sort of dieting). More lean tissue retention (via better-timed nutrient partitioning, cortisol suppression, and igf-1 receptor stimulation).

Insulin has always been my top 3 favourite compounds.

Period.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22420005

You can dig deeper into this. May affect/enhance the way you apply and stack peptides.

You're doing an awesome job as is though.
Great log.

[GearHeaded]

just to throw a couple more out there . increased conversion of T4 into T3 by the liver (i.e, increased metabolic rate), raising of free testosterone

[Narkissos]

just to throw a couple more out there . increased conversion of T4 into T3 by the liver (i.e, increased metabolic rate), raising of free testosterone

Agreed... which is another reason I like that you stacked t4 in a hypercaloric state, coupled with exogenous insulin.

Also: insulin = reduced SHBG synthesis... So, gear has a bigger impact.

*brain itch*

[EDCG19]

So a few things. I'm a bit late but just noticed this thread and read through it
Number 1 thanks for posting this and keeping it detailed the way you did, there's a lot of information here
Number 2 it seems like any questions I did have tons of others already asked and they were answered which gave me the answers I was looking for and some of the stuff you mentioned here I haven't heard of someone running a cycle like this but I have to ask, did you run any additional blood work throughout this trial period or are you going strictly by feel and don't run any mid/post bloods? How does this work when your prolactin or estrogen is messed up you just go by feel and add in caber/AI or you ran none of this during this whole experiment??

How long have you been cycling anyway, it seems like you need to write a book or something...

[charger69]

So a few things. I'm a bit late but just noticed this thread and read through it
Number 1 thanks for posting this and keeping it detailed the way you did, there's a lot of information here
Number 2 it seems like any questions I did have tons of others already asked and they were answered which gave me the answers I was looking for and some of the stuff you mentioned here I haven't heard of someone running a cycle like this but I have to ask, did you run any additional blood work throughout this trial period or are you going strictly by feel and don't run any mid/post bloods? How does this work when your prolactin or estrogen is messed up you just go by feel and add in caber/AI or you ran none of this during this whole experiment??

How long have you been cycling anyway, it seems like you need to write a book or something...

He is.


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[GearHeaded]

So a few things. I'm a bit late but just noticed this thread and read through it
Number 1 thanks for posting this and keeping it detailed the way you did, there's a lot of information here
Number 2 it seems like any questions I did have tons of others already asked and they were answered which gave me the answers I was looking for and some of the stuff you mentioned here I haven't heard of someone running a cycle like this but I have to ask, did you run any additional blood work throughout this trial period or are you going strictly by feel and don't run any mid/post bloods? How does this work when your prolactin or estrogen is messed up you just go by feel and add in caber/AI or you ran none of this during this whole experiment??

How long have you been cycling anyway, it seems like you need to write a book or something...

well I don't run "traditional" cycles and have not in quite some time. by "traditional cycles'' I mean your general 10-14 week long cycle utilizing a couple compounds followed by PCT or an off phase.
you can see some of the concepts I employ here -
https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...protocols.html

being my cycles are not 'traditional' it doesn't make sense for me personally to follow the blood work protocols for cycling that you may find recommended on a forum like this.
for example, why would I bother getting estrogen on blood work checked if I know that I'm purposely going to blast high dosages of estrogenic compounds for say 4 weeks (like Test, Dbol) without using an AI for the sole purpose of substantially raising my estrogen levels.
it would be pointless. I can't utilize blood work to find a certain range of estrogen that I want to stay within because I'm constantly fluctuating my estrogen levels (on purpose), as well as my androgen levels (which effect estrogen as well).

eg.. if my estrogen is 3x the normal level, this may be a problem for someone on TRT. but if I'm in an Androgen phase and my Androgens are 10x the normal levels, then 3x the normal level of estrogen isn't going to be an issue for me (in fact it is beneficial in most cases).

so its really pointless for me to get traditional blood work and get estrogen levels and test levels checked at anytime during my blasting phases (which may last up to 9 months).
I'm also constantly rotating compounds dependent on what phase of cycling I may be in. so again checking for example SHBG one week on blood work is pointless if 2 weeks later I'm going to end up taking a drug that drastically effects my SHBG.

getting occasional blood work done CBC to check the basics and health factors etc.. once per year is all I really do. and thats generally done during a 'down phase' when I'm just cruising and have no immediate plans of blasting or rotating compounds. (eg., 150mg test per week with 400mg eq would be a cruise and 'off cycle' phase).

I also believe that its possible some of the drugs that we take may give 'false positive' readings on blood work. and that some blood work when taking massive amounts of gear and multiple compounds is simply inaccurate and irrelevant on some aspects.
eg.. running a 'tren only' cycle yet blood work shows estrogen levels are off the charts and test levels are zero. thats utter bullshit. its a false reading from the drug.
Dave Palumbo believes this is possible with Lipid panels and specifically HDL as well . eg.. being on 100mg of VAR and your HDL on cycle has went down from 41 to say 7 in just a few weeks. yet when you come off the Var your HDL is back to normal. its not that your HDL is really crashed and your in some sort of great risk, its simply mechanism of action that are going on with the drug your taking in the body and its giving a type of 'false positive' and thats why when you stop taking the drug everything is totally normal.


edit - a lot of guys try to cycle gear and take the TRT approach to getting blood work and monitoring things. they run a cycle and attempt to keep everything in 'normal' ranges . but this is not really possible IF your running real legit gear and your running high enough dosages.
really if your running shit to put on substantial amounts of muscle, your blood work should be off the charts and way out of normal ranges in multiple areas. trying to run a cycle and still keep everything within range like your a TRT patient is going to get you "trt" like results. not steroid cycle like results. imo

[EDCG19]

edit - a lot of guys try to cycle gear and take the TRT approach to getting blood work and monitoring things. they run a cycle and attempt to keep everything in 'normal' ranges . but this is not really possible IF your running real legit gear and your running high enough dosages.
really if your running shit to put on substantial amounts of muscle, your blood work should be off the charts and way out of normal ranges in multiple areas. trying to run a cycle and still keep everything within range like your a TRT patient is going to get you "trt" like results. not steroid cycle like results. imo

Yea I understand completely. I've thrown this question around before so figured I would ask how you stay on top of everything running the dosages you do and changing things up frequently without constant bloodwork but you're 100% correct. Your bloodwork will be off the charts anyway if you're running high enough doses so going crazy with the bloodwork is a waste of money at that point

I also believe that its possible some of the drugs that we take may give 'false positive' readings on blood work. and that some blood work when taking massive amounts of gear and multiple compounds is simply inaccurate and irrelevant on some aspects.
eg.. running a 'tren only' cycle yet blood work shows estrogen levels are off the charts and test levels are zero. thats utter bullshit. its a false reading from the drug.

Doesn't tren and something like var, primo etc... not really affect testosterone levels anyway?

I haven't paid to have my Test levels checked on blood work in years. and previously the last several times I did it was through a doctor that used a lab that only measure up to 2500 so my blood work just came back as >2500. as for estrogen its been in the 400s (off the top of my head)

keep in mind though that you can be on a heavy cycle and still have normal Test levels.
example -
150mg a week of test (TRT)
1500mg a week of Primo
100mg a day VAR

and your test levels should come back normal around 700 ng/dl . your TRT doc wouldn't even know your on a cycle if you don't crank up the test dosage (gotta be careful with some drugs like Tren and Deca throwing false positives though)

What's your opinion on primo? I have heard/read before primo is kind of weak and needs to be run on higher doses for shorter times to get any real benefit since it works well on women but on men you would need to run over a gram to see real benefit.

[GearHeaded]

Doesn't tren and something like var, primo etc... not really affect testosterone levels anyway?

they shouldn't. but it depends on the lab doing the blood work. some labs Deca will pull a false positive for high testosterone , some labs Tren will pull a false positive for high estrogen (even though it can't convert to estrogen).

the thing is, how many other factors on your blood work may be completely wrong or off or in accurate because of the drugs your taking.
if Tren does not convert to estrogen at all , yet will show up on blood work as super high estrogen (which is totally false), then what else is messed up on such a blood test?
thats why I don't trust on cycle blood work

What's your opinion on primo? I have heard/read before primo is kind of weak and needs to be run on higher doses for shorter times to get any real benefit since it works well on women but on men you would need to run over a gram to see real benefit.

a lot of guys don't realize that Primobolan is mainly a PURE anabolic. this means that its not really going to be 'felt'. when your on cycle and you 'feel' a drug working, your NOT feeling the anabolic effects of the drug for the most part, your feeling the estrogenic and androgenic effects of the drug (eg.,, test, tren, dbol . are all drugs that guys 'feel' kick in after a few weeks).
a pure anabolic is simply in the background doing things like increasing protein synthesis and slowly and surely building muscle tissue. theres nothing to 'feel' until that tissue is actually there .

thats why guys think Primo is weak. cause they are so dependent on the 'feeling' the mental aspects of the drugs and know nothing of the pure anabolic aspects.

primo is one of the most complex steroids available. its one of the most efficient and side effect free at the same time.
if you could run Primo, HGH, and Test year round at high dosages (and high amounts of $) then you would have no need to run any other drug to achieve and awesome physique.
however most guys don't have the $ or the patience to do this. so Primo gets passed over as an expensive and weak drug.
Arnolds Physique was mainly built off of Primo. he didn't even run test

[EDCG19]

the thing is, how many other factors on your blood work may be completely wrong or off or in accurate because of the drugs your taking.
if Tren does not convert to estrogen at all , yet will show up on blood work as super high estrogen (which is totally false), then what else is messed up on such a blood test?
thats why I don't trust on cycle blood work

Yea this makes complete sense. You're adding in more gear so your blood levels will rise as they are supposed to, adding in additional blood work will just be money down the drain

[GearHeaded]

UPDATE-

So now I know how Jay Cutler used to diet and contest prep and still get shredded on 1000 grams of carbs per day .
it was 2g of Test and a gram of Tren with Mast.

Yes as crazy as it sounds I'm actually having trouble trying to stay 'full' and get in enough carbs even though I'm running a shit ton of Androgens (which generally helps you carb load) and a bunch of insulin.
heck I've even started adding in some cheat meals and 'dirty' food just to get some more carbs in, yet I've lost a couple pounds (and thats even over Christmas meals).

I'm going to need to start force feeding the Carbs if I want to grow.
but if I ever want to get super shredded, high dose tren and high amounts of androgens is a sure fire way to do it.

whoever says that steroids don't burn fat has never ran a gram of Tren a week with 2 grams of test

[GearHeaded]

Note -

some of the things that I may advocate or do myself in this thread are MY personal choices. they may not be the healthiest things to do and may not be suitable for guys reading this thread to do. its simply what I'm doing and my goal right now is not 100% focused on health, its focused on getting jacked and huge and transforming my physique (that my come with consequences)

[Obs]

Note -

some of the things that I may advocate or do myself in this thread are MY personal choices. they may not be the healthiest things to do and may not be suitable for guys reading this thread to do. its simply what I'm doing and my goal right now is not 100% focused on health, its focused on getting jacked and huge and transforming my physique (that my come with consequences)

What he is trying to say is...

If you dont do it you have no balls.
Die young die strong dianabol.

[KennyJ]

what's the highest levels of test you can ever recall after bloodwork? I would love to know what they are at 2 or 3 months into a blast where you are running a very advanced cycle.
Do you know if any labs offer a more sensitive type bloodwork for testosterone etc. being that normally labs are not seeing the type of levels one gets from running an advanced cycle?

[GearHeaded]

what's the highest levels of test you can ever recall after bloodwork? I would love to know what they are at 2 or 3 months into a blast where you are running a very advanced cycle.
Do you know if any labs offer a more sensitive type bloodwork for testosterone etc. being that normally labs are not seeing the type of levels one gets from running an advanced cycle?

I haven't paid to have my Test levels checked on blood work in years. and previously the last several times I did it was through a doctor that used a lab that only measure up to 2500 so my blood work just came back as >2500. as for estrogen its been in the 400s (off the top of my head)

keep in mind though that you can be on a heavy cycle and still have normal Test levels.
example -
150mg a week of test (TRT)
1500mg a week of Primo
100mg a day VAR

and your test levels should come back normal around 700 ng/dl . your TRT doc wouldn't even know your on a cycle if you don't crank up the test dosage (gotta be careful with some drugs like Tren and Deca throwing false positives though)

[charger69]

I personally do get my bloods checked. I have it in my head that there is a benefit at my age. When off cycle, I do try to get everything within tolerance. As I get older, I do see changes happening.
Speaking of that, I am showing slightly anemic.
Result. Range
HGB. 13.3. 14-18
HCT. 40.3. 42-52
MCH. 26.7. 27-35
RDW, blood 14.9. 11.5-14.5

What can I do to raise the values?
I am starting a cycle next week and doc will want another test.


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[EDCG19]

I personally do get my bloods checked. I have it in my head that there is a benefit at my age. When off cycle, I do try to get everything within tolerance. As I get older, I do see changes happening.
Speaking of that, I am showing slightly anemic.

Asking out of curiosity but doesn't testosterone or AAS use help anemia rather than cause issues with HGB/HCT production? What do you think the cause is from in your case?
Are you the guy who donates every month??

[charger69]

Asking out of curiosity but doesn't testosterone or AAS use help anemia rather than cause issues with HGB/HCT production? What do you think the cause is from in your case?
Are you the guy who donates every month??

I did when on high tren. Tren would have me on the high side.
I could feel it in the cardio.


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[Obs]

I did when on high tren. Tren would have me on the high side.
I could feel it in the cardio.


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I think I get high on tren too!
Its like....
RRRRRRAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGHHH

[KennyJ]

I did when on high tren. Tren would have me on the high side.
I could feel it in the cardio.


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Sorry GH I’m definitely not trying to hijack your thread.
Charger, do you ever take anything to thin your blood when running a compound that thickens it?
Anyone else who does, what do you take to thin your blood some?

[GearHeaded]

Sorry GH I’m definitely not trying to hijack your thread.
Charger, do you ever take anything to thin your blood when running a compound that thickens it?
Anyone else who does, what do you take to thin your blood some?

I don't take anything. increasing blood volume (or "thickness") is one of the anabolic benefits and attributes that come from taking things like Deca, Anadrol, Tren. you have more muscle building potential with more blood. you also have more work capacity potential. and the reason why bodybuilders in contest prep will take drugs like EPO to dramatically increase their blood thickness , is that these will show up in the physique as fuller, rounder, harder, and more vascular muscle.

so taking something to 'thin the blood' , when the whole benefit of some of these compounds is to actually 'thicken the blood' , is counter productive .. the answer is to simply not take these type of steroids in the first place if you don't want thicker blood (but in bodybuilding and some sports, the thicker blood is a big benefit and reason to take the drugs).

note: of course having 'thick blood' chronically months on end year after year is not healthy . taking time off these drugs and donating blood takes care of the issue for the most part and prevent "Chronic" high rbc and hematocrit

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Sorry GH I’m definitely not trying to hijack your thread.
Charger, do you ever take anything to thin your blood when running a compound that thickens it?
Anyone else who does, what do you take to thin your blood some?

Besides donating I have read previously where people were experimenting with GSE (grapefruit seed extract) and seeing some noticeable decreases in hct. And no you can’t just eat grapefruit as this would require something like 3-4 whole ones per day to reach effective goal. Also drinking plenty of water helps keep values down. Another thing worth mentioning if my understanding is correct the platelet count is something to really watch if the hct is fairly high.


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Sorry GH I’m definitely not trying to hijack your thread.
Charger, do you ever take anything to thin your blood when running a compound that thickens it?
Anyone else who does, what do you take to thin your blood some?

I would donate blood every thirty days. When my hematocrit would get high, I would know because my cardio would go to shit really fast. I would struggle with breathing.


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