You'll want to read this!

[wsupdp]

Good read

[layerofblock]

Hi Ronnie,

The following is a modified 8/5/3 Program as per our previous discussion. Please critique. Thank you.

Trying everyother day workout instead of 3 days a week with the option to take an extra day off if needed.

Workout A.
Bench Press 8/8/8+
Decline Press 2-3x8-10
DB Incline Press 2-3x8-12 / or Bench Flyes 2-3x8-12 / or Cable Flyes 2-3x8-15
1 Arm Rows 3-4x8-12 - is it to soon for him to do bentover barbell rows? I used to do them until I had back surgery some years back. I don't know with heavy deadlifting if he should bother with them. Sometimes I let him do T-Bar rows laying on the bench or Bentover T-Bar rows which I don't think are as bad on the back.
DB Seated Press 2-3x8-12
Standing Triceps Press 2-3x8-12
Preacher Bench Curls 2-3x8/12

Workout B.
Deadlifts 8/8/8+
Thigh Extensions 3-4x8-15

Workout C.
Military Press 8/8/8+
Laterials 2-3x8-15
Pulldowns 3-4x8-12
Nose Busters 2-3x8-12 or CG Bench Press 2-3x8-12
Barbell Curls 2-3x8-12

Workout D.
Squats 8/8/8+
Lunges 3x8-12
Leg Curls 3x8-12

If I wanted him to do some Power Cleans, where would be the best place to put them? It dosen't have to be every week but I would like to get them in maybe every 2-3 weeks.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie,

the following is a modified 8/5/3 program as per our previous discussion. Please critique. Thank you.

Trying everyother day workout instead of 3 days a week with the option to take an extra day off if needed. (that will work!)

workout a.
Bench press 8/8/8+ unless he has short arms or a barrel chest have him do bench presses last as they tend to put too much strain on the pec tendon and rotator cuff. Start with declines, inclines then flat unless he is gifted in the chest region.
Decline press 2-3x8-10
db incline press 2-3x8-12 / or bench flyes 2-3x8-12 / or cable flyes 2-3x8-15
1 arm rows 3-4x8-12 - is it to soon for him to do bentover barbell rows? i would him avoid both movements at his age because dummbbell rows can twist the back. Have him do seated cable rows using a lat pulldown bar with as medium to wide grip. i used to do them until i had back surgery some years back. I don't know with heavy deadlifting if he should bother with them. Sometimes i let him do t-bar rows laying on the bench or bentover t-bar rows which i don't think are as bad on the back. t-bar rows are the most dangerous of all on the back and not worth risking itdb seated press 2-3x8-12
standing triceps press 2-3x8-12
preacher bench curls 2-3x8/12

workout b.
Deadlifts 8/8/8+
thigh extensions 3-4x8-15

workout c.
Military press 8/8/8+
laterials 2-3x8-15
pulldowns 3-4x8-12
nose busters 2-3x8-12 or cg bench press 2-3x8-12
barbell curls 2-3x8-12

workout d.
Squats 8/8/8+
lunges 3x8-12
leg curls 3x8-12

if i wanted him to do some power cleans, where would be the best place to put them? It dosen't have to be every week but i would like to get them in maybe every 2-3 weeks. substitute power cleans for military press. I would also do leg presses instead of lunges unless you are doing them on a smith machine. Looks pretty good for the 8 rep weeks .

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[HavocGuns]

Wow what a great read!!! Thank you for the education

[gonzo6183]

Awesome mate, greatly appreciated

Gonzo

[The Titan99]

Hey Ron, I think you missed me on # 3792.

[gonzo6183]

So you would suggest running HCG throughout Reload AND Deload (extended to 4 weeks while on slin/peptides and clen) to help prevent shut down? My Deload would incorporate a PCT

[Ronnie Rowland]

So you would suggest running HCG throughout Reload AND Deload (extended to 4 weeks while on slin/peptides and clen) to help prevent shut down? My Deload would incorporate a PCT If you definetly want kids I would run 500 of hcg weekly during both reloads and deloads then do a full blown pct when you go off a cycle just to be on the safe side!

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[slimshady01]

HEy Ron,

on my second reload now here is my cycle

1-8 was 750 test and a PH Xtren

11-18 is 1g and 600 Deca.

I got about 6 weeks left of the test and deca. Ive been stuck at about 195 weight for the last 6 weeks it seems, even upped carbs to 500 a day with total calories around 4kish and i still im stuck. Im hoping in a week or 2 the test and deca at the higher amounts will kick in and slowly increase weight. Strenght is very good though.
I just cant force myself to eat anymore and feel stuffed and bloated all day with all the food im eating, I have 100 carbs in each of my first 4 meals alone.

Anyway the main question here is when im done with this reload i want to go straught into a cut. Do i need to still do the 2 week deload weeks 19-20 or can i go straight to the cut?

Im thinking i may do the 2 week deload and give blood during this time, its been almost 4 months since my last donation.

For the cut im thinking 750 test or 500 with 200mg of tren. Im going low on the tren because ive never ran before and worried about hairloss. I want to see how I can do at that low dose. I also will throw var in there.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=slimshady01;5949940]HEy Ron,

on my second reload now here is my cycle

1-8 was 750 test and a PH Xtren

11-18 is 1g and 600 Deca.

I got about 6 weeks left of the test and deca. Ive been stuck at about 195 weight for the last 6 weeks it seems, even upped carbs to 500 a day with total calories around 4kish and i still im stuck. Im hoping in a week or 2 the test and deca at the higher amounts will kick in and slowly increase weight. Strenght is very good though.
I just cant force myself to eat anymore and feel stuffed and bloated all day with all the food im eating, I have 100 carbs in each of my first 4 meals alone. [B]The problem is you need to add more healthy fats into your diet in you are looking to put on weight at this point! Olive oil, cashews and peanut butter are best.[/B]
Anyway the main question here is when im done with this reload i want to go straught into a cut. Do i need to still do the 2 week deload weeks 19-20 or can i go straight to the cut? You can go straight into a cut given your joints arent sore!
Im thinking i may do the 2 week deload and give blood during this time, its been almost 4 months since my last donation. Thats the wiser choice IMO
For the cut im thinking 750 test or 500 with 200mg of tren. Im going low on the tren because ive never ran before and worried about hairloss. I want to see how I can do at that low dose. I also will throw var in there. Sound good![/QUOTE]above

[Lift to live]

Hey Ronnie,

I wanted to first say this stickie has been awesome in guiding me to where I am so thank you for that and my reason to post is that I am doing a contest prep and am about 4 weeks out right now and also plan to do a second show 2 weeks later. I have three questions. The first is should I do the one tab of letro daily leading into the show while I'm on masteron or reduce the amount of letro at all due to the anti e effects of masteron ( im assuming no due to an earlier post non related to competition but just wanna make sure).I am also cutting my test prop 9 days before the show and am running tren 400 weekly with 50mg anavar the masteron is 100 eod. Is it ok to keep these 3 in play all the way up to the show or should I cut anything out? My last question is how to handle getting ready to try and peak again two weeks later how should I handle aas then and anti es as well as training and diet should I just reset my diet to match the two weeks prior? I am feeling completely lost on this part.

[daniel20]

Hey Ronnie, just a couple of quick questions.

I'm coming up to the end of my first reload of 500mg of test e a week. Been great, gained muscle, lost some fat and really hardened up.
Now with the deload I'm going to take test e 250mg once week, cutting cals back to maintenance, cutting protein in half, cutting my total work sets in half etc but the question is am I replacing those protein cals with carbs or fats?
During the reload I found my body responded best to 2.5g of carbs to every 1g of fat. So am I right to assume I will replace the protein cals with carbs?

Next reload will be 750mg of test e. then deload for 2 weeks on 250mg of test then pct of 2 weeks of 1500iu HCG EOD.

Now with my next 20 week blast what is a good follow up to just test e? something like dbol first reload?

Week 1-8
500mg test e
25-30mg dbol
Week 8-10
250mg test e

Week 11-18
???mg test e
dbol, tren etc?
Week 19-20
250mg test e

PCT

Thanks!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie, just a couple of quick questions.

I'm coming up to the end of my first reload of 500mg of test e a week. Been great, gained muscle, lost some fat and really hardened up.
Now with the deload I'm going to take test e 250mg once week, cutting cals back to maintenance, cutting protein in half, cutting my total work sets in half etc but the question is am I replacing those protein cals with carbs or fats? You can either but I prefer carbs.
During the reload I found my body responded best to 2.5g of carbs to every 1g of fat. So am I right to assume I will replace the protein cals with carbs? yes
Next reload will be 750mg of test e. then deload for 2 weeks on 250mg of test then pct of 2 weeks of 1500iu HCG EOD. sounds good. if you want even more gains add in another anabolic with that 750 mgs of test.
Now with my next 20 week blast what is a good follow up to just test e? something like dbol first reload? For size go with 750 mgs of test and 25-50 mgs of d-bol

Week 1-8
500mg test e
25-30mg dbol
Week 8-10
250mg test e

Week 11-18
???mg test e
dbol, tren etc? those three anabolics would work well at that juncture.
Week 19-20
250mg test e

PCT

Thanks!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie, just a couple of quick questions.

I'm coming up to the end of my first reload of 500mg of test e a week. Been great, gained muscle, lost some fat and really hardened up.
Now with the deload I'm going to take test e 250mg once week, cutting cals back to maintenance, cutting protein in half, cutting my total work sets in half etc but the question is am I replacing those protein cals with carbs or fats? You can either but I prefer carbs.
During the reload I found my body responded best to 2.5g of carbs to every 1g of fat. So am I right to assume I will replace the protein cals with carbs? yes
Next reload will be 750mg of test e. then deload for 2 weeks on 250mg of test then pct of 2 weeks of 1500iu HCG EOD. sounds good. if you want even more gains add in another anabolic with that 750 mgs of test.
Now with my next 20 week blast what is a good follow up to just test e? something like dbol first reload? For size go with 750 mgs of test and 25-50 mgs of d-bol

Week 1-8
500mg test e
25-30mg dbol
Week 8-10
250mg test e

Week 11-18
???mg test e
dbol, tren etc? those three anabolics would work well at that juncture.
Week 19-20
250mg test e

PCT

Thanks!

above

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ronnie,

I wanted to first say this stickie has been awesome in guiding me to where I am so thank you for that and my reason to post is that I am doing a contest prep and am about 4 weeks out right now and also plan to do a second show 2 weeks later. I have three questions. The first is should I do the one tab of letro daily leading into the show while I'm on masteron or reduce the amount of letro at all due to the anti e effects of masteron ( im assuming no due to an earlier post non related to competition but just wanna make sure). keep letro in with masteron to get dry as possible. I am also cutting my test prop 9 days before the show and am running tren 400 weekly with 50mg anavar the masteron is 100 eod. Is it ok to keep these 3 in play all the way up to the show or should I cut anything out? keep them in! If you cut them out it can actually cause your cortisol levels to increase and make you hold water. And you can lose muscle, hardness and vascualrity. getting body fat levels down is the key while keeping in all three drugs plus letro! My last question is how to handle getting ready to try and peak again two weeks later how should I handle aas then and anti es as well as training and diet should I just reset my diet to match the two weeks prior? I am feeling completely lost on this part. Have a cheat meal the night after the show and all the next day then jump right back into your diet and stay on tren, masteron, anavar and letro. IT'S THAT SIMPLE!!!

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[daninho777]

EDIT: Never mind not running t3, change of plans lol

[Sector]

Ronnie how does this look?

Hgh 4-6 iu year round

Weeks 1-8 700mg Tren Ace
Weeks 1-8 120mg Test E

Week 9/10 Test only

Weeks 11-18 700mg Tren Ace
Weeks 11-18 120mg Test E
Weeks 11-16 100mg Anadrol

Yea, I like tren ace. Is that reload strong enough with simply adding in the Abombs? Goal here is solid bulk. Im not opposed to taking the tren to 1 gram if need be but I would imagine 6 weeks of abombs would bring about some more growth.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie how does this look?

Hgh 4-6 iu year round

Weeks 1-8 700mg Tren Ace
Weeks 1-8 120mg Test E

Week 9/10 Test only

Weeks 11-18 700mg Tren Ace
Weeks 11-18 120mg Test E
Weeks 11-16 100mg Anadrol

Yea, I like tren ace. Is that reload strong enough with simply adding in the Abombs? It's plenty and everything look good except go ahead and run those a-bombs for the entire 8 weeks (2nd reload) Goal here is solid bulk. Im not opposed to taking the tren to 1 gram if need be but I would imagine 6 weeks of abombs would bring about some more growth.

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[testaroza187]

Hello Ronnie! You are very knowledgeable and a great inspiration. I've recently started working out and have a friend that recommended Var. He's in wicked shape and swears by the stuff. Do you have any advice you might share? I tried doing some research online, but I came across many sites saying to be careful of fake stuff. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

[Steve.O]

Hey ronnie. Been using your training and cycling methods for over a year now with great results. Been thinking about using 5iu of hgh eod for the next 6months. To see where i can get to as far muscle and bodyfat. Im hoping with this to take it to the next level. I also wil b reloading and deloading with anabolics while on hgh. So my question is wil there be much of a difference adding in the hgh while im reloadin/deloading gains wise? Iv heard many mixd opinions on growth hormone. I wil b usin hyge tropin. Cheers and thankyou for al your knowledge uv shared with us

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey ronnie. Been using your training and cycling methods for over a year now with great results. Been thinking about using 5iu of hgh eod for the next 6months. To see where i can get to as far muscle and bodyfat. Im hoping with this to take it to the next level. I also wil b reloading and deloading with anabolics while on hgh. So my question is wil there be much of a difference adding in the hgh while im reloadin/deloading gains wise? For increased muscle growth use 6-10 ius of GH every day (not every other day). Also use pharmaceutical grade because about 80% of the GH on the market is either fake or cut. There's no cheap way out! Iv heard many mixd opinions on growth hormone. I wil b usin hyge tropin. Cheers and thankyou for al your knowledge uv shared with us hyge tropin is Under Ground GH coming out of china and it has had mixed reviews. At one time is was known as one of the better brands but now you never know what you are getting from the underground labs in China!?

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Hello Ronnie! You are very knowledgeable and a great inspiration. I've recently started working out and have a friend that recommended Var. He's in wicked shape and swears by the stuff. Do you have any advice you might share? I tried doing some research online, but I came across many sites saying to be careful of fake stuff. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks! We are not allowed to discuss sources on the open board. I would suggest asking your friend where he gets his anavar, etc. You'll want to add in some test as well for better gains and preventing your libido from dropping because anavar can shut you down sexually when used alone.

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[Lift to live]

Hey ronnie thanks for all the advice in my earlier post I will do as you say. One thing I forgot to ask is about t3 I am taking that with clen as well and I know you have said not to change any of my cycle protocol of mast tren and var leading up to my show. I have also seen that in someone else's post you said to keep clen in the whole time because of cortisol but what about t3? I have heard it is hard to carb up final week while on it but will I hold water without it what do you suggest?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey ronnie thanks for all the advice in my earlier post I will do as you say. One thing I forgot to ask is about t3 I am taking that with clen as well and I know you have said not to change any of my cycle protocol of mast tren and var leading up to my show. I have also seen that in someone else's post you said to keep clen in the whole time because of cortisol but what about t3? I have heard it is hard to carb up final week while on it but will I hold water without it what do you suggest?Keep t-3 the same and just take in more carbs/fats to fill out or drop back to 33 daily the last week just to make sure you fill out well given you are very lean. I would reduce to 33 daily if you are very lean.

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[Sector]

Thanks Ronnie, stoked for this one.

[Pale1]

Ronnie, this is just an incredible wealth of information that you are providing for us here. I am currently working my way through all the posts (I'm on page 22) & I guess I'll be done in a couple of weeks or so, LOL. You are just such an incredibly generous person to put this kind of time into something for a bunch of people that you've never even met. Thank you so much!

I'm going to finish reading all the posts before I finalize my cycle & post it for you to critique, but if I may, I would like to ask you one quick question:

I plan to do a full pct at the end of my second reload. I will add in a few sup's with it, like creatine, taurine, & phosphatidyl serine (for cortisol control). My question is, how much of the gains made from the 20 week cycle should I expect to give back during my 10 week pct?

Thanks so much again. my admiration for you makes me strive to be a better person myself.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Pale1;5969535]Ronnie, this is just an incredible wealth of information that you are providing for us here. I am currently working my way through all the posts (I'm on page 22) & I guess I'll be done in a couple of weeks or so, LOL. You are just such an incredibly generous person to put this kind of time into something for a bunch of people that you've never even met. Thank you so much!

I'm going to finish reading all the posts before I finalize my cycle & post it for you to critique, but if I may, I would like to ask you one quick question:

I plan to do a full pct at the end of my second reload. I will add in a few sup's with it, like creatine, taurine, & phosphatidyl serine (for cortisol control). My question is, how much of the gains made from the 20 week cycle should I expect to give back during my 10 week pct? I'd venture to say you'll maintain around 50% minus any water weight gained.
Thanks so much again. my admiration for you makes me strive to be a better person myself .THANK YOU![/QUOTE]above

[rylan]

I have a question first time every doing this but I was wondering if I can use proviron the hole time I'm on an off cycle

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=rylan;5970018]I have a question first time every doing this but I was wondering if I can use proviron the hole time I'm on an off cycle Yes! It will help maintain your libido.[/QUOTE]above

[adamjames]

2 weeks in to my first cycle now Ron, as you already know im using propionate only with ED injections, not the best choice ive ever made if im honest

Anyway, nerve damage and sore buttocks aside, im running the prop at 60 mg ED so 420 mg EW, for my 2nd reload starting at week 11 i am going to stick with test and add in masteron, so ive decided to leave dianabol out till a future cycle, my question is this, if i bump up the test from 420 mg EW to 600 mg EW at week 11 and add masteron at say 300 mg EW do you think its a high enough jump for the testosterone?? I dont want to bump it up to 750 MG EW if i dont need to, what do you think mate?

As always much appreciated x

[daniel20]

Ronnie, what are your thoughts regarding the 40/40/20 diet thrown around all the time?
For someone like me who is ecto-meso, I know I do better on higher carbs. My muscles always seem fuller and more defined when I use a higher carb diet.
Then we have my mate who is an endo-meso, who does much better on less carbs and higher fats to keep from looking so puffy and "watery".
Also I glanced over your thread of Steroids and Protein Intake, do you believe ecto body types should be taking in 2g of protein per lb of bodyweight like the 40/40/20 diet or something with higher carb like 50/30/20 to increase insulin output and stop the body from burning the protein?
Thanks!

[bodybycookiesandcake]

i had a discussion today with bill roberts and asked him his thoughts on blast and cruise and this is what he said to me.
and i wanted to to see if you agree with his points about blasting. im still unsure if this is something i should be doing at 34, looks good on paper but so much data online is different on its merit... im heaps confused. I am just trying to collect as much data as i can, the whole on for 14 week, 8 weeks pinning 2 week blood level clear 4 weeks pct then off for 14 weeks and losing much of what was gained cause im already over my natural limit then waiting only to get back on, blow up... rinse and repeat. I just want to feel good, look good and not be depressed and be able to have drive in every day life

Please delete my post if i violate any rules i dont know about, thanks,


So far as "cruises," I'd recommend testing for LH. If LH is still suppressed, then let's call it a low-dose part of the cycle

If time is still being spent with good blood lipids, that's a good thing, but not the same thing as full recovery (including recovery of LH production.)

200 mg/week tends to result in no or little better results than proper PCT, but still full or nearly full suppression of LH.

Probably the ideal dose for the cruise is zero...

I have never worked out a consistent protocol for a "cruise." What I've gathered with time is that LH production seems a lot more intolerant of added androgen shortly after a cycle than when already recovered. There seems no way to add substantial doses of anabolic steroids (such as 200 mg/week) and reliably, if at all, get LH production back.

That said, when I'm asked to step in too late -- someone has already done a too-long cycle and without HCG -- recovery has successfully occurred when using 100 mg/week, though it slows the process. But if I'm seeing disastrous T levels, I don't want someone to stay in that situation and so the slowness is an acceptable price to pay.

Your question is a really good one and something that really would be worth figuring out with time, which will be required to figure it out. My best understanding now is:

1) Do cycles what I consider to be the right way so that LH recovery so there will be no "need" for added androgen. Not overly long cycles (preferably 8-10 weeks, and even better if this is counted as weeks of suppression rather than weeks of injection, no Deca, HCG during most of the cycle, followed with the usual Clomid PCT.)

2) Upon LH being recovered, play with Masteron or Primo at doses of 100-200 mg/week and see what you can do with keeping LH and blood lipid levels good.


How long it takes for levels to be enough for recovery depends on how much steroid was usedl. But for example, at 1000 mg/week of enanthate it's reasonable to start PCT a little before 2 weeks after the last injection, and if the cycle was only 8 weeks there may be some LH recovery a week after that, though ordinarily to save money, it makes sense to just go by how one feels and wait for the 4 week point after starting PCT.

It's not well established how much Masteron or Primo can be tolerated, after LH has been recovered, without dropping LH to the bottom end of the normal range or below. If estradiol is kept no higher than low 20s, though, 100 mg/week seems usually to be well tolerated and sometimes more. This is only after LH is well recovered.

it seems to me that "blast and cruise" is mostly one of those appealing phrases that just sounds good, rather than generally being a specific program with stand-out merits.

[Ronnie Rowland]

i had a discussion today with bill roberts and asked him his thoughts on blast and cruise and this is what he said to me.
And i wanted to to see if you agree with his points about blasting. Im still unsure if this is something i should be doing at 34, looks good on paper but so much data online is different on its merit... Im heaps confused. I am just trying to collect as much data as i can, the whole on for 14 week, 8 weeks pinning 2 week blood level clear 4 weeks pct then off for 14 weeks and losing much of what was gained cause im already over my natural limit then waiting only to get back on, blow up... Rinse and repeat. I just want to feel good, look good and not be depressed and be able to have drive in every day lifeif you keep going up and down with your hormones its going to cause depression, libido problems, etc. Thats why i am not an advocate of time one/ equals time off.

please delete my post if i violate any rules i dont know about, thanks,


so far as "cruises," i'd recommend testing for lh. If lh is still suppressed, then let's call it a low-dose part of the cycle

if time is still being spent with good blood lipids, that's a good thing, but not the same thing as full recovery (including recovery of lh production.)

200 mg/week tends to result in no or little better results than proper pct, but still full or nearly full suppression of lh. true but staying on test for two week deloads prevents emotional issues, etc. The more advanced cruise with 500-1000 mgs during the 2 week delaods, not just 200 mgs weekly.

Probably the ideal dose for the cruise is zero...not for a 2 week deload but if you are going off and doing a full pct, then yes!

i have never worked out a consistent protocol for a "cruise." what i've gathered with time is that lh production seems a lot more intolerant of added androgen shortly after a cycle than when already recovered. There seems no way to add substantial doses of anabolic steroids (such as 200 mg/week) and reliably, if at all, get lh production back.the goal of the deload is not to get LH back but rather give the body a little break.that said, when i'm asked to step in too late -- someone has already done a too-long cycle and without hcg -- recovery has successfully occurred when using 100 mg/week, though it slows the process. But if i'm seeing disastrous t levels, i don't want someone to stay in that situation and so the slowness is an acceptable price to pay.

Your question is a really good one and something that really would be worth figuring out with time, which will be required to figure it out. My best understanding now is:

1) do cycles what i consider to be the right way so that lh recovery so there will be no "need" for added androgen. Not overly long cycles (preferably 8-10 weeks, and even better if this is counted as weeks of suppression rather than weeks of injection, no deca, hcg during most of the cycle, followed with the usual clomid pct.)clomid is not a necessity with pct only hcg. Deca does shut one down pretty hard but once its out of your system you'll bounce back just as fast as if you were using only test. Deca causes suppression in libido due to progesterone conversion unlike test but both shut down the axis ) upon lh being recovered, play with masteron or primo at doses of 100-200 mg/week and see what you can do with keeping lh and blood lipid levels good. primo wont keep your sex drive up but masteron will.

how long it takes for levels to be enough for recovery depends on how much steroid was usedl. this is only partially true.genetics play the largest role but for example, at 1000 mg/week of enanthate it's reasonable to start pct a little before 2 weeks after the last injection, and if the cycle was only 8 weeks there may be some lh recovery a week after that, though ordinarily to save money, it makes sense to just go by how one feels and wait for the 4 week point after starting pct.if you wait 4 weeks to start pct you will crash hard and experience muscle loss,libido loss and serious depression because the active life of test-e is only 7 days. This means you are without test in your system for 3 weeks..never a smart thing to do! it's not well established how much masteron or primo can be tolerated, after lh has been recovered, without dropping lh to the bottom end of the normal range or below. If estradiol is kept no higher than low 20s, though, 100 mg/week seems usually to be well tolerated and sometimes more. This is only after lh is well recovered.once again it depends on ones genetic make-up
it seems to me that "blast and cruise" is mostly one of those appealing phrases that just sounds good, rather than generally being a specific program with stand-out merits. that can be true when it comes to blast and cruise because some blast for long periods and cruise for long periods but with slingshot training you relaod for 8 weeks and deload for 2 weeks which keeps you on a controlled schedule-hence avoiding the pitfalls of some blast and cruise methods

above..my computer is acting up so there may be a few repeat words..

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ronnie, what are your thoughts regarding the 40/40/20 diet thrown around all the time? I FEEL ITS VERY GOOD FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE
For someone like me who is ecto-meso, I know I do better on higher carbs. My muscles always seem fuller and more defined when I use a higher carb diet.
Then we have my mate who is an endo-meso, who does much better on less carbs and higher fats to keep from looking so puffy and "watery". TRUE
Also I glanced over your thread of Steroids and Protein Intake, do you believe ecto body types should be taking in 2g of protein per lb of bodyweight like the 40/40/20 diet or something with higher carb like 50/30/20 to increase insulin output and stop the body from burning the protein? NOT EVERYONE CAN DIGEST TONS OF PROTEIN. FOR YOUR BODY TYPE 50C/30P/20 FATS WILL WORK AS WILL A DIET COMPOSED OF 33 1/3 OF EACH MACRONUTRIENT (33 1/3 P,33 1/3C,33 1/3F) Thanks!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

2 weeks in to my first cycle now Ron, as you already know im using propionate only with ED injections, not the best choice ive ever made if im honest

Anyway, nerve damage and sore buttocks aside, im running the prop at 60 mg ED so 420 mg EW, for my 2nd reload starting at week 11 i am going to stick with test and add in masteron, so ive decided to leave dianabol out till a future cycle, my question is this, if i bump up the test from 420 mg EW to 600 mg EW at week 11 and add masteron at say 300 mg EW do you think its a high enough jump for the testosterone?? yes for now I dont want to bump it up to 750 MG EW if i dont need to, what do you think mate?Go with enanthate next time around. test is test and the longer acting esters require less injections and can have less side effects

As always much appreciated x

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[Pale1]

OK Ronnie, at the same time I've been reading this thread, I keep getting pulled over to your STS training guide. You've really kept me busy reading the last few days!

I've got a couple of questions regarding STS. First, am I correct that these splits (copied & pasted) are listed in the order from least physiologically demanding to most physiologically demanding?:

Three-Four Day Per Week Split For Beginners
19. Three Day Per Week Split For "Once A Week" Muscle Training
20. Three Day Per Week Split For "Twice A Week" Muscle Training
21. Four Day Per Week Split For "Once A Week" Muscle Training
22. Four day per week Split For "Twice A Week" Muscle Training
23. Five Day Per Week Split For "Once A Week" And "Twice A Week" Muscle Training
24. Six Day Per Week Split For "Once A Week" And "Twice A Week" Muscle Training
25. The "Super Blast

& if so, I've got an idea of working it like this. Please tell me if this looks stupid to you:

Weeks 1-4 of reload: Three Day Per Week Split For "Once A Week" Muscle Training
Weeks 5-8 of reload: Three Day Per Week Split For "Twice A Week" Muscle Training
Weeks 9-10 (deload): Cut the # of sets in half for the Three Day Per Week Split For "Twice A Week" Muscle Training
Weeks 11-14 of reload: Four Day Per Week Split For "Once A Week" Muscle Training
Weeks 15-18 of reload: Four day per week Split For "Twice A Week" Muscle Training
Weeks 19-20 (deload): ** Start of full 10 week pct**Cut the set volume in half for the Four day per week Split For "Twice A Week" Muscle Training
Weeks 20-28 Reload: I'm a bit torn on this one, as I'll be doing this without any anabolics, but probably back to the Three Day Per Week Split For "Once A Week" Muscle Training

I know I'm probably taking something simple & turning it into something complicated, but my thinking is to gradually build my work capacity as I progress through the program. Of course, if I get to a particular split & I over-train on it, I'll know I've gone too far & back off.

[Ronnie Rowland]

OK Ronnie, at the same time I've been reading this thread, I keep getting pulled over to your STS training guide. You've really kept me busy reading the last few days!

I've got a couple of questions regarding STS. First, am I correct that these splits (copied & pasted) are listed in the order from least physiologically demanding to most physiologically demanding?:



& if so, I've got an idea of working it like this. Please tell me if this looks stupid to you:

Weeks 1-4 of reload: Three Day Per Week Split For "Once A Week" Muscle Training (increase to 4 day split)
Weeks 5-8 of reload: Three Day Per Week Split For "Twice A Week" Muscle Training (increase to 4 day split)
Weeks 9-10 (deload): Cut the # of sets in half for the Three Day Per Week Split For "Twice A Week" Muscle Training yes!
Weeks 11-14 of reload: Four Day Per Week Split For "Once A Week" Muscle Training yes
Weeks 15-18 of reload: Four day per week Split For "Twice A Week" Muscle Training yes
Weeks 19-20 (deload): ** Start of full 10 week pct**Cut the set volume in half for the Four day per week Split For "Twice A Week" Muscle Training yesWeeks 20-28 Reload: I'm a bit torn on this one, as I'll be doing this without any anabolics, but probably back to the Three Day Per Week Split For "Once A Week" Muscle Training yes again!

I know I'm probably taking something simple & turning it into something complicated, but my thinking is to gradually build my work capacity as I progress through the program. Of course, if I get to a particular split & I over-train on it, I'll know I've gone too far & back off. long workouts is what causes over-training the most

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[bodybycookiesandcake]

hello mate,

great read so far only on page 23 of reading this thread so much info. U could publish a book! The fact you take time to answer questions and educate people for free is truly amazing and makes you a stand up guy who obviously has passion for your work.


So running 8 weeks of prop for the reload, whats a good compound to run for teh two week deload or bridge.

500ui of hcg twice a week for one year, what is teh good , teh bad and teh ugly truth of doing this?

how does teh shorter ester effect this style of cycling.

i gain still off 500 to 700mg week test enanthate, this cycle im on now ive gained 6 kgs in 6 weeks from going fr0m 500mg to -700mg its like the first cycle all over, since prop has a higher test absorption how much prop should i start to run on my next reload and then im going to continue to blast till De***ber using this 8 and 2 theory.

does pinning more often ed or eod cause receptors to stop responding? is this why enanthate esters get more attention?

Staying on for teh rest of teh year, and thinking of using prop, do i really need to add any stacking compounds, or just run test and then when i hit a wall add more mg per week?

is there any reason to alternate esters, from prop to enan, ?

does sustanon or any other blend stand out at all for these 8 week cycles and bridging as a good or bad drug to use, or really doesn't change anything.

Lastly how can you incorporate tren into these blasts, say every 3 reloads id like to do tren, how long would you run it for?


Thanks.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hello mate,

great read so far only on page 23 of reading this thread so much info. U could publish a book! The fact you take time to answer questions and educate people for free is truly amazing and makes you a stand up guy who obviously has passion for your work.


So running 8 weeks of prop for the reload, whats a good compound to run for teh two week deload or bridge.test-e, test-c or sustanon

500ui of hcg twice a week for one year, what is teh good , teh bad and teh ugly truth of doing this?you would not want to do it year round or it could make you immuneto its positive efects and get quite expensive. running hcg often helps ensure you remain furtile and it can also help increase the volume of your semen which can lessen while on some steroids such as tren. how does teh shorter ester effect this style of cycling. it doesnt. both short and long acting esters provide the same results. longer acting esters has the added benefits of less injections. Always remember, test is test regardless of its esters!

i gain still off 500 to 700mg week test enanthate, this cycle im on now ive gained 6 kgs in 6 weeks from going fr0m 500mg to -700mg its like the first cycle all over, since prop has a higher test absorption how much prop should i start to run on my next reload and then im going to continue to blast till De***ber using this 8 and 2 theory.900 of test alone weekly with next reload or keep it at around 5-700 weekly and add in another compound

does pinning more often ed or eod cause receptors to stop responding? no! is this why enanthate esters get more attention? prop can give some the test flu and cause more post injection site pain so my thoughts are why would someone want to inject more often when you can do less frequent injections with longer acting esters. Staying on for teh rest of teh year, and thinking of using prop, do i really need to add any stacking compounds, or just run test and then when i hit a wall add more mg per week?you'll have to add in an oral or strong injectables like tren to gain more strength/size once you reach around 1500 mgs of test-e weeklyis there any reason to alternate esters, from prop to enan, ?no!

does sustanon or any other blend stand out at all for these 8 week cycles and bridging as a good or bad drug to use, or really doesn't change anything.no difference

Lastly how can you incorporate tren into these blasts, say every 3 reloads id like to do tren, how long would you run it for?if you like tren you can use it every other reload.


Thanks.

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[inkslinger]

quality read here man .. and so true .. this works!