Why is it important to run an AI when on cycle?

[NACH3]

Thanks for the heads up nach3.

Just get the 'being scammed' feeling around the various sites promising legitimate product.

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Stick around - read - learn - and good things will come! I know what your saying but it's part of the game we play... Best of luck and if you have any questions post em up!

[MSphysique]

Very informative, well worth the read. Thanks man!

[Boneslapper2002]

Great post Swifto, this post is very educational.

[MrRightT]

Good read! im two weeks on cycle right now test prop 100 EOD (winny starting week 3-8 40mg ED 20mg morning 20mg evening) and am currently using .25 anastrozole rather than aromasin . Would this be a good basis? From what ive read on here(was suggested for first cycle) that this is what i should use . Any opinions on aromasin vs anastrozole

[Kinglondon]

Great info here.

[Truelove21]

Damn, after reading all that I am realizing more and more I know fuck all about this stuff. It’s awesome there are smart guys out there willing to take the time to educate us all.

[16bPJerri]

Answered my question before i asked great porst

[GearHeaded]

I find it a bit humurous when guys use the logic that estrogen should be kept in 'normal' range because high levels of it 'might' have negative health consequences... yet they are taking drugs that put their androgen levels at astronomically high levels, and taking drugs at 20 times the recommend dosages in an attempt to build muscle and putting a whole host of things at super high levels .

yet somehow in spite of all those 'high levels' of shit from the steroids they are running , scary scary deadly estrogen at above normal range is somehow the only thing that really matters. go ahead and blast androgen levels off the charts for 20 years and you'll be fine, but somehow if you let estrogen creep up just a wee little bit your going to get cancer, heart disease, and everything else under the sun.

[The God Himself]

I find it a bit humurous when guys use the logic that estrogen should be kept in 'normal' range because high levels of it 'might' have negative health consequences... yet they are taking drugs that put their androgen levels at astronomically high levels, and taking drugs at 20 times the recommend dosages in an attempt to build muscle and putting a whole host of things at super high levels .

yet somehow in spite of all those 'high levels' of shit from the steroids they are running , scary scary deadly estrogen at above normal range is somehow the only thing that really matters. go ahead and blast androgen levels off the charts for 20 years and you'll be fine, but somehow if you let estrogen creep up just a wee little bit your going to get cancer, heart disease, and everything else under the sun.

This is especially true when people run TRT dose test along with say tren, eq and take AI.
Estrogen is an important hormone, it is anabolic effects are well studied. It helps you to have higher levels of HDL too.
I would only run that much AI with a cut cycle if I want to really dry out. No need to hinder your gains while bulking.
Not including the people that are gyno prone or with higher estrogen sensitivity, though low dose nolva throughout cycle will solve that.

[HoldMyBeer]

This is especially true when people run TRT dose test along with say tren, eq and take AI.
Estrogen is an important hormone, it is anabolic effects are well studied. It helps you to have higher levels of HDL too.
I would only run that much AI with a cut cycle if I want to really dry out. No need to hinder your gains while bulking.
Not including the people that are gyno prone or with higher estrogen sensitivity, though low dose nolva throughout cycle will solve that.

When ever I get any sort of negative "feelings" (loneliness, missing an ex, etc). I pop an adex and I'm good for about 3 days. You trying to tell me this is a bad thing?

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[GearHeaded]

When ever I get any sort of negative "feelings" (loneliness, missing an ex, etc). I pop an adex and I'm good for about 3 days. You trying to tell me this is a bad thing?

this is likely a placebo effect .

couple of things of note here
- for one you would have to have a direct correlation between those 'negative feelings' and estrogen (meaning E is definitely the cause). which would be extremely hard to do. its generally low estrogen that causes depression and mood issues
- The way Arimidex works one pill is not going to accomplish much. it takes a steady dose and elevated blood levels of the drug to consistently stop the aromatizing of test into estrogen
- Arimidex does NOT lower your existing blood levels of estrogen. you can't take an Adex and its going to magically lower your existing estrogen levels. All adex does is block the aromatase enzyme from turning the test your taking/making into estrogen in the first place. it does not lower it after the fact. your elevated levels of estrogen have to come down on their own naturally, no AI is going to lower them itself, and especially not in a day from taking one pill.

[HoldMyBeer]

this is likely a placebo effect .

couple of things of note here
- for one you would have to have a direct correlation between those 'negative feelings' and estrogen (meaning E is definitely the cause). which would be extremely hard to do. its generally low estrogen that causes depression and mood issues
- The way Arimidex works one pill is not going to accomplish much. it takes a steady dose and elevated blood levels of the drug to consistently stop the aromatizing of test into estrogen
- Arimidex does NOT lower your existing blood levels of estrogen. you can't take an Adex and its going to magically lower your existing estrogen levels. All adex does is block the aromatase enzyme from turning the test your taking/making into estrogen in the first place. it does not lower it after the fact. your elevated levels of estrogen have to come down on their own naturally, no AI is going to lower them itself, and especially not in a day from taking one pill.

High estrogen... Female like emotions... It was a bad joke, I apologise.
I do appreciate you taking the time to try and educate me. We do frequently get posts like that where people are being serious and just don't know.
This just means we need to get to know each other better GH! [emoji16]

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[BrotherTheresa]

I find it a bit humurous when guys use the logic that estrogen should be kept in 'normal' range because high levels of it 'might' have negative health consequences... yet they are taking drugs that put their androgen levels at astronomically high levels, and taking drugs at 20 times the recommend dosages in an attempt to build muscle and putting a whole host of things at super high levels .

yet somehow in spite of all those 'high levels' of shit from the steroids they are running , scary scary deadly estrogen at above normal range is somehow the only thing that really matters. go ahead and blast androgen levels off the charts for 20 years and you'll be fine, but somehow if you let estrogen creep up just a wee little bit your going to get cancer, heart disease, and everything else under the sun.

Laughed out loud at this. I crushed my E2 running my first cycle of 500mg test with 25mg Aromasin daily. Joints felt like shit and injured my shoulder by the end of the cycle, likely because of my joints.

I would rather run 20mg nolva daily while on cycle and have Aromasin on hand… Just know what sides to watch for and you can reverse gyno flare ups

[Cylon357]

Laughed out loud at this. I crushed my E2 running my first cycle of 500mg test with 25mg Aromasin daily. Joints felt like shit and injured my shoulder by the end of the cycle, likely because of my joints.

I would rather run 20mg nolva daily while on cycle and have Aromasin on hand? Just know what sides to watch for and you can reverse gyno flare ups

Even better, just run a bit of masteron instead of nolva.

[Mma67]

Even better, just run a bit of masteron instead of nolva.

Or primo.

[Cylon357]

Or primo.

Each has its use case. Mast prevents and reduces gyno without lowering estrogen, primo doesn't directly impact the gyno but will lower estrogen. So, what do you want to do? Pick the tool for the job.

I personally can't seem to run primo without it camping out on my prostate, while masteron is more forgiving in that area. I know that makes zero sense, but it is what it is.

[JaneDoe]

I know the topic is old but in my opinion, everyone who uses anabolic steroids will be at some risk of developing some disease in the future!Claiming that AI is necessary is a euphemism because they have a big impact on lowering good cholesterol (HDL) and raising bad cholesterol (LDL). So it's no use sanctifying Al because they also cause coronary heart disease over time if there is no supervision ...

[Zora]

Too much estrogen in men can lead to breast enlargement and even changes in vocal cords

[GearHeaded]

Too much estrogen in men can lead to breast enlargement and even changes in vocal cords

too much estrogen in men can also lead to excessive muscle growth and being jacked and strong as fuck ..

it kinda sucks to be you and all you get is bitch tits from it. poor genetics I guess

[JaneDoe]

Zora
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Excesso de estrogênio nos homens pode levar ao aumento dos seios e até a alterações nas cordas vocais

Misguided, Nolvadex is much better for blocking estrogen within our body.

[Magnito]

very nice

[sean007smith]

What about adding it like week 10 when you can start to notice side effects? And if you do use it while on cycle should you continue use into pct.

[Livingabetterlife]

Interesting. IÂ’ve read to not take AI until symptoms start to show

[Nerveblock67]

I'm still trying to put together the details of my first cycle and this is the number one thing I get conflicting views on.All the Aromasin I can find are 25mg tablets. Is the general school of though now to take half a tablet per day from the start of the cycle or to just have it on hand and wait on symptoms of gyno to show? I've seen no shortage of threads and articles advocating for both methods.

[Cylon357]

I'm still trying to put together the details of my first cycle and this is the number one thing I get conflicting views on.All the Aromasin I can find are 25mg tablets. Is the general school of though now to take half a tablet per day from the start of the cycle or to just have it on hand and wait on symptoms of gyno to show? I've seen no shortage of threads and articles advocating for both methods.

If this is your first cycle, I strongly recommend reading Austinite's planning your first cycle thread. It gives out TONS of good info and also lays out a very nearly fool proof first cycle.

[Nerveblock67]

I've read it thoroughly am planning on following it basically to a T. The only real difference is Aromasin vs Arimidex as recommended in the thread.
Even though I do plan on following it, I do receive a lot of conflicting advice on taking on from the start vs waiting, which is what makes me want to do research and get more advice/opinion on that specific aspect of it.