HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

[mesophyte]

Myth # 1: hCG must be injected subcutaneously. (This is not true, IM injections work just as well. SubQ is fine, but only matters if you're a TRT patient)

Sorry, English is not my first language and I am not sure I understood the meaning of this part of your post. SubQ only matters to people on TRT? I am not on TRT, I am running a cycle with low dose test p as a base (approx 100mg per week) + oxandrolone (60mg per day pharma grade). Does it matter either way if I go for subcutaneous injection of HCG over intra-muscular? I'll probably just mix with the test and do IM but I'd like to understand this option.

Also, I've read the full thread and saw a lot of discussion around bacteriostatic water versus the solvent that comes with the hcg. I understand that bacteriostatic water is better as that was repeated a few times but I think I missed the reason why it is better.


Edit: Ok so I think I've found my answer:

Before reconstitution: Do not store above 25°C. After reconstitution: Protect from light.
Any product not used immediately after reconstitution should be stored refrigerated between + 2°C and + 8°C. Reconstituted product remaining 24 hours after preparation should be discarded.
This product does not contain an antimicrobial preservative

The solvent is not antimicrobial and once reconstituted with the solvent, it cannot be preserved for more than 24 hours, so that is why bacteriostatic water is better, because it allows for longer storage periods of up to 2 months in the refrigerator?

Another question, "room temperature" where I live is easily above 25ºC and this product will be sent to me by mail. In transit while in powder form it will most definitely be exposed to temperatures above 25ºC, it is unavoidable here. Should I be concerned about this?

[austinite]

Before mixing just leave it in the freezer. It will save there forever. Please do not over-think this.

^ meso, SubQ is recommended for low volume injections, such as 0.6ml or less. Otherwise, you risk the chance of the area becoming potentially swollen, hardened and sensitive to the touch. That's the only reason: Volume.

[kelkel]

That's the only reason: Volume.

Hmmm. Mine never says a word.

[austinite]

Hmmm. Mine never says a word.

Filthy staff member!

[jsam]

Newbie here doing research. So when you order HCG the powder already comes in a 500iu vile?

[austinite]

Newbie here doing research. So when you order HCG the powder already comes in a 500iu vile?

No. It comes in different sizes. Not always a vial, sometimes pre mixed (rare, such as HUCOG), sometimes in ampules.

[workoutho]

Excellent post Austinite. Really translated into lay persons words. I appreciate the thorough description as well. Now my question is there something you can take other than clomid/nolva to jumpstart LH production? or even continue its production through gear use during a cycle? Thanks in advance!

[austinite]

Excellent post Austinite. Really translated into lay persons words. I appreciate the thorough description as well. Now my question is there something you can take other than clomid/nolva to jumpstart LH production? or even continue its production through gear use during a cycle? Thanks in advance!

No. When you're shut down, you don't produce LH. There's nothing else I recommend.

[unkownas]

Hi Aust,
I have 5'ml of HC'G in bac water solution 1000 iu/ml
This is not enough for a 12 week test only run.
Would it be okay to start the H'CG at the beginning of the 3rd week, or would it be better to only do a 10 week run.
What would you do? My guy is also out of H'CG for a few weeks and Im going away to work and staying in a camp so I cant get more...
Thanks in advance

[austinite]

^ I prefer the first week as the article states. But the sooner you can, the better.

[unkownas]

^ I prefer the first week as the article states. But the sooner you can, the better.

I hear you and understand your reasoning, but would you do a 10 week and do it from day one or would you do a 12 week and start at week 3, thats what Im having trouble deciding. This will also be my first cycle..

Cheers!

[austinite]

10 weeks with hCG.

Not sure why you're complicating things brother. Just get more gear. It's not the end of the world if you have to wait a little longer. Starting a few weeks in is not likely to do any damage. I just play it safe, always.

[unkownas]

Thanks man.. My guy is out of hCG so I have to make do with what I have this time around. Was just a bit concerned about starting late. Thanks for the reassurance.

[timetravel]

Been reading your posts, informative. I am currently on a hrt plan that includes a test cyponate 1 x per week at .6 iu, hgh at 4x per week 3 iu per dose, hcg at 2x per week 2 days before my test and again the day before at 2.5 iu per shot and oral anestrol .5 mg the day of test shot and another .5 anestrol 72 hours later, do I still need to off cycle my test and if so what is your recommendation, what if I dont off cycle at all?

[austinite]

Been reading your posts, informative. I am currently on a hrt plan that includes a test cyponate 1 x per week at .6 iu, hgh at 4x per week 3 iu per dose, hcg at 2x per week 2 days before my test and again the day before at 2.5 iu per shot and oral anestrol .5 mg the day of test shot and another .5 anestrol 72 hours later, do I still need to off cycle my test and if so what is your recommendation, what if I dont off cycle at all?

I don't understand the question. If you're on TRT, you would stay on for the rest of your life.

[Celt11]

Austinite, is the main Post Cycle Therapy page going to be updated, as obviously it is outdated with the advice to start HCG after one's cycle (and also the advice that it is optional rather than pretty damn important?
From the 2nd to last paragraph on that page: "If you’re going to use hCG, you will begin hCG therapy 10 days after your last injection, complete it for 10 days and then begin SERM therapy."
I take this to now be absolutely misleading.
Second question, if injecting IM, does it matter which muscle? I wonder because for SubQ you specify the area near the naval.
Thanks.

[siamakdieded]

Is hcg needed for a 6 week test prop cycle at 100m eod?

[TrenKing]

I have heard that the body starts to become immune to HCG after long-term use.

Someone told me that even after a month of use it starts to lose alot of its effectiveness. Is this true?

[austinite]

I have heard that the body starts to become immune to HCG after long-term use.

Someone told me that even after a month of use it starts to lose alot of its effectiveness. Is this true?

False.

[austinite]

Austinite, is the main Post Cycle Therapy page going to be updated, as obviously it is outdated with the advice to start HCG after one's cycle (and also the advice that it is optional rather than pretty damn important?
From the 2nd to last paragraph on that page: "If you’re going to use hCG, you will begin hCG therapy 10 days after your last injection, complete it for 10 days and then begin SERM therapy."
I take this to now be absolutely misleading.
Second question, if injecting IM, does it matter which muscle? I wonder because for SubQ you specify the area near the naval.
Thanks.

You need to use your best judgement from reading articles as there will always be varying opinions. The post you referred to is outdated in my opinion. I have no control over that post.

Is hcg needed for a 6 week test prop cycle at 100m eod?

Recommended, yes. Always, for any cycle. 6 weeks is not a short cycle. Especially with Prop.

[Craze1]

Great read. Need a sticky though

[lovbyts]

Well it is sort of. This post is connected by a link in one of the stickies above.
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-database.html

[Craze1]

Just saw that, Good enough.

[ocman]

Just to double check, you can do 20 injections at 250iu per injection with the above method?

If this is the case, then the hCG would stay good in the fridge for 2 1/2 months?

peace

[Inked medic1]

Hi Austinite

Another great thread filled with vital info. I'm new to cycles and have just ordered my first. After reading numerous articles and of course your post on test I have gone with the cycle you listed. I watched a vid today from Rich Piana who stated he used HCG post cycle. So came here to clarify and found your post, so HCG during cycle it is.

Thanks again

Ink

[austinite]

Hi Austinite

Another great thread filled with vital info. I'm new to cycles and have just ordered my first. After reading numerous articles and of course your post on test I have gone with the cycle you listed. I watched a vid today from Rich Piana who stated he used HCG post cycle. So came here to clarify and found your post, so HCG during cycle it is.

Thanks again

Ink

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-l...ml#post6660629

[bifda]

This might be a silly question, but why can't you just use hcg for the last few weeks of a cycle or the later half of the cycle?

[bifda]

Any more thoughts on the above question?

[Seen12]

Great post..Thanks a lot for being very helpful. You just gave me all the info I needed about HCG

[austinite]

This might be a silly question, but why can't you just use hcg for the last few weeks of a cycle or the later half of the cycle?

Read the "Why you should use hCG ON cycle". The article in its entirety answers your question. You don't want to go too long without hCG because of everything mentioned in the article.

[jolter604]

i got 10,000 iu.but it came with a snap top and 2ml of liquid.i guess i need to pre-inject each syringe.and if i use them before 90 days they do not need to be cooled.what about eq and test e,should they be cooled?and i have various kids going into the fridge.

[jolter604]

and is it safe to take with aromison ?25mg.............

[EasyDoesIt]

i got 10,000 iu.but it came with a snap top and 2ml of liquid.i guess i need to pre-inject each syringe.and if i use them before 90 days they do not need to be cooled.what about eq and test e,should they be cooled?and i have various kids going into the fridge.

Please read this entire thread to educate yourself. You do not want to wing it. The liquid that came with your HCG is probably purified water and that is not what you want to use. That water is only good for a few days. Need Bacteriostatic Water, but just to let you know, you cannot ask where you can obtain products on this forum, it is for educational purposes only. Randomely injecting hormones is not safe without complete understanding of what you need to do. There is more to some of the answers than yes or no and an understanding of what you are doing is a must. Read this! http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html
No do not refrigerate the oils, "test and EQ". Spend the time researching, you will feel more comfortable about the process. Good Luck!

[bifda]

so the water it comes with will not be good for long once mixed? like how long?

[jolter604]

it actually came with sodium chloride,but i got some bacteriostatic water.thx........................

[EasyDoesIt]

it actually came with sodium chloride,but i got some bacteriostatic water.thx........................

Yes the sodium chloride is not what you want. Use bac water.

[EasyDoesIt]

so the water it comes with will not be good for long once mixed? like how long?

I stated in my post - "That water is only good for a few days."

The sodium chloride will not last long, it is made for one time use.

[bifda]

Thanks. I'll throw it and get some bac.

[BeingSwole]

Got a question,so I started my cycle about 15-16 days ago and at the time my HCG didn't come in. When I did get it, it came without bac water so I has to order that and it took some time. Finally got it today and injected 1000iu because I was late to using it. Question is, when should my next I pin, which would be 250iu be? Should it be in 3.5 days or start with the first 250iu bi-weekly come next week?

[BeingSwole]

Sorry about typos. Using my small cellphone screen and looks like I cannot edit the post.