You'll want to read this!

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie, do you have any experience with ipamorelin? I do not. I can only recommend pharm grade GH and deca for your problem. i am wondering if it will help out with my rotator cuff issue. both my rotator cuffs are shot from falling with my arms out. do not think there is a tear or anything, just think that my ligaments/tendons are stretched/elongated. It sounds like you have tendonosis (not tendonitus which eventually clears up) from repeated micro tears. I suggest you have an mri to find out what's going on inorder to get a piece of mind.. i just started out on the rubber bands for strenghthening, but what do you know from your experience about peptides and this type of healing. IGF-1 can certainly help over the long haul as can deca. thanks

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[RaginCajun]

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thanks ronnie!

[jsn23]

heck yeah dude!

[fineBody]

Ronnie, please try to reply to my question or tell me if you do it someday soon?

Thanks a lot!

[69thelememt]

Hey man, great initial post! I like the sound of longer cycles or at least trying one to see if i can solidify and keep gains a lot better than the yo yo effect of smash and grab cycles.

I was supposed to be doing the following cycle, which i'm now coming to the end of the first week of:

Week 1-12 test p.9mg ED
Week 1-12 tren A .6ED
Weeks 1-12 anavar 100 - 150mg ED (50mg pill)
Weeks 2-12 T3 50mgs ED
Armidex .5mg EOD weeks 2 -12

only thing now is our lass has booked us a holiday on 25th Aug for a 1 week which will land around the end of week 8 of the cycle,
This was due to be a bulk cycle but with the holiday coming i've downed the cals to 2500 protein at 325 and decided to cut (BF is around 20% at moment).

as i don't fancy taking 2 virals, 7 syringes and 14 needles with me, i was thinking i could just take aload of anavar, and use these 2 weeks for HRT/crusing and then carry on when i get back

my standard PCT is high clomid and nolva along with a smash HCG last 2-3 weeks of cycle

can anyone help me with adjusting the cycle, the HRT amounts required for the deload and also if i did the first 8 weeks as above, 2 lesser weeks, then 8 weeks again maybe with some masteron or higher dose, could i then go onto a final 8 weeks bulking cycle??

Anyone had any results with this method??

THANKS

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey man, great initial post! I like the sound of longer cycles or at least trying one to see if i can solidify and keep gains a lot better than the yo yo effect of smash and grab cycles.

I was supposed to be doing the following cycle, which i'm now coming to the end of the first week of:

Week 1-12 test p.9mg ED
Week 1-12 tren A .6ED
Weeks 1-12 anavar 100 - 150mg ED (50mg pill)
Weeks 2-12 T3 50mgs ED
Armidex .5mg EOD weeks 2 -12

only thing now is our lass has booked us a holiday on 25th Aug for a 1 week which will land around the end of week 8 of the cycle,
This was due to be a bulk cycle but with the holiday coming i've downed the cals to 2500 protein at 325 and decided to cut (BF is around 20% at moment).

as i don't fancy taking 2 virals, 7 syringes and 14 needles with me, i was thinking i could just take aload of anavar, and use these 2 weeks for HRT/crusing and then carry on when i get back

my standard PCT is high clomid and nolva along with a smash HCG last 2-3 weeks of cycle

can anyone help me with adjusting the cycle, the HRT amounts required for the deload and also if i did the first 8 weeks as above, 2 lesser weeks, then 8 weeks again maybe with some masteron or higher dose, could i then go onto a final 8 weeks bulking cycle??

Anyone had any results with this method??

THANKS

[B]I cannot answer your question because I do not understand the dosages you have listed but I can tell you running longer acting esters like test-e or test-c is much more user friendly than injecting test-p daily..[/B]above

[Kenlie]

I think that the problem with my thigh injection was, that I was injecting to the front section of the thigh. I just read that it is VERY UNWISE.... and I agree! It hurts like crazy, even if it does not hit the nerve. The muscle just gets so "jammed" 1-2 days later. I think I will try to outside of thigh next...

[RaginCajun]

I think that the problem with my thigh injection was, that I was injecting to the front section of the thigh. I just read that it is VERY UNWISE.... and I agree! It hurts like crazy, even if it does not hit the nerve. The muscle just gets so "jammed" 1-2 days later. I think I will try to outside of thigh next...

yes, the vastus lateralis (or however it is spelled) is on the side of the quad and that is where ya want to inject at. find your greater trocanter (where your femur connects to your hip) and place your palm with your hand facing the ground. where your index finger stops, draw a lil circle there and inject into the muscle. google search will help if you are unclear

[Kenlie]

yes, the vastus lateralis (or however it is spelled) is on the side of the quad and that is where ya want to inject at. find your greater trocanter (where your femur connects to your hip) and place your palm with your hand facing the ground. where your index finger stops, draw a lil circle there and inject into the muscle. google search will help if you are unclear

Thanks for confirming that & advice. I actually watched youtube video of thigh injection earlier, and in that video he injected to front section, which is the reason why I injected to wrong place, in the first place... Glad this thing is cleared out. It was causing a lot problems.

[slowpoison]

yes, the vastus lateralis (or however it is spelled) is on the side of the quad and that is where ya want to inject at. find your greater trocanter (where your femur connects to your hip) and place your palm with your hand facing the ground. where your index finger stops, draw a lil circle there and inject into the muscle. google search will help if you are unclear

why dont you try the glutes. thats the best place by far. nerve fibres are very deep so you dont have to worry abt hitting one and you can also switch sides if you are doing 2ice week.

[RaginCajun]

why dont you try the glutes. thats the best place by far. nerve fibres are are very deep so you dont have to worry abt hitting one and you can also switch sides if you are doing 2ice week.

i agree. one can also inject ventrogluteal, which is on the front side of the hip and really safe. i have yet to see someone reccommend this but it is safe, hardly any nerves

[The Titan99]

Here's a couple of pictures progress after my last 8 week blast. This is 255 lbs. 6'2". As always, thanks to Ron.

[RaginCajun]

^^^^^^^damn titan! looking large! great work!

[The Titan99]

^^^^^^^damn titan! looking large! great work!

Thanks man!! I'm holding a lot of water now but we'll see what happens now that the test is rolled down. This year I'm all about the lean bulk. Starting cutting next cycle for 12 weeks. I think it'll be easier than last year when I was yo-yoing the BF a little too much.

[noon]

Great article. thanks

[mockery]

hey Ron , long time AR lurker. finally signed up recently. With your sling shot training i have 3 questions

1.) Im on 160mg test a week for trt, should i just run this during the deload? or still make sure im running half the amount of test im running during the load?

2.) if i want to incorporate 80-100 of Anavar and run it for 6 weeks, at what point in the sling shot should i be running it?

3.) if my negative training lands in the deload phase ill be OK cause im still running off hormones maxed out cause of the half life?

thanks for all the time and effort you have put into this site for educating us.

[jch3131]

Ron, thats a great article you wrote and the system makes alot of sense and something i want to try out. Just a question though to make sure I understand everything correctly. If I do 12 sets per body part a week that means I'm only probably going to do 4 exercises with 3 sets each? Like I said your logic sounds legit I just come from a background of push till you have nothing left. Also on the reload sets are we talking high weight low reps like 6-8?

[massbuilders]

Hey ronnie, thanks for your answers man. Should i do dbol for first four weeks while test e kicks in?. So i will be doing dbol/test e/mast/anavar.

[Yellow]

Ron, What's your thoughts & opinions about casein protein (especially the two best & undenaturated form which are micellar casein & milk protein isolate)?

My concern is that whey is a fast acting protein (which lasts only 60-120 mins in our body) where as egg whites is medium acting protein which lasts 3-4 hours in our body. BTW casein is the slowest acting protein which lasts 6-7 hours in our body.
Since you recommend taking a scoop of whey protein powder + a cup of egg whites (equaling 50 grams of protein) for between meals & last meal of the day in SLINGSHOT DIET. Do we need to incorporate casein protein (either micellar casein or milk protein isolate) for between meals & last meal of the day in blends of whey protein & egg whites to stay in anabolic state & keep protein nitrogen balance longer?

[Yellow]

Hi Ron,
I think you missed my post regarding casein, egg, whey in the pages before : http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...04#post6077704

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron, What's your thoughts & opinions about casein protein (especially the two best & undenaturated form which are micellar casein & milk protein isolate)? Everyone can react different to various types of proteins-and this includes casein, whey and egg whites. You obviosuly need a protein source that prevents giving you excessive gas, irritable bowel syndrome, heart burn, stomach bloat while at the same time being low in cholesterol and affordable. Chewing meat takes time and most of us do not have the time or desire to chew meat 5-6 times per day not do we want the cholesterol contained there- in. Many protein powders on the market are also full of choleterol. Casein is very expensive and not regulated by the FDA so there's no guarantee what you are getting. I quit using all protein powders and rely mostly on liquid egg whites for my protein source and I have made better gains but some get gassed up from them and have to use them sparingly while relying more on other protein sources such as whey isolate protein mixed with fats. Liquid Egg whites are Cheaper than casein and have a 100% bioavailability. Bioavailability is a measure of how much of the protein’s aminos actually make it to the actual muscles themselves. A score of 100 means that the protein meets the amino acid and digestibility requirements for humans!


Although the digestion rate of liquid egg whites aren't as slow as casein, when you add in some fats (my preference is peanut butter)
it's released slower making it perfect for a continued supply of protein throughout the night. Obviously, you would skip the fats immediately following your workout. This rule applies to all protein sources- "adding some fats in there slows down the digestion rate". Also, you can do a mixture various proteins such as liquid egg whites, whey isolate and/or casein while adding fats to slow digestion rate..

My concern is that whey is a fast acting protein (which lasts only 60-120 mins in our body) where as egg whites is medium acting protein which lasts 3-4 hours in our body. BTW casein is the slowest acting protein which lasts 6-7 hours in our body.
Since you recommend taking a scoop of whey protein powder + a cup of egg whites (equaling 50 grams of protein) for between meals & last meal of the day in SLINGSHOT DIET. Do we need to incorporate casein protein (either micellar casein or milk protein isolate) for between meals & last meal of the day in blends of whey protein & egg whites to stay in anabolic state & keep protein nitrogen balance longer?

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[Dtrain17]

Hey thanks for answering my questions, you didn't say anything about this "Dell" drug but I never heard of it also so idk. Anyways I wanted to know being an ectomorph, if I should seperate carbs and fats at all, apparently if you do that it allows you to kind of eat more calories?

[Dtrain17]

I know it depends but a lot of people say you absolutely need nolva or clomid to get back to normal even with hcg after a cycle, just wanna know for sure because i'm starting maybe in a month or two.
If I took hcg during cycle, could I stop it after and use nolva/clomid only? I wanna do just hcg if I can but after the cycle when the dosages are way higher it gets really pricey, it would cost 115$/5000 iu's hcg for me which ends up being a lot when you use over 2000 iu's per day or around there plus on cycle. Thanks I really appreciate it!

[Ronnie Rowland]

I know it depends but a lot of people say you absolutely need nolva or clomid to get back to normal even with hcg after a cycle, just wanna know for sure because i'm starting maybe in a month or two. Nothing concerning the human body can be interpreted in absolutes. It's okay to add nolva and clomid after a long cycle to ensure faster restoration but HCG is the main drug needed and I have seen full restoration of the testis time and time again with hcg alone. However, anytime anti-es are included in the cycle you need anti-es pct as well.
If I took hcg during cycle, could I stop it after and use nolva/clomid only? You could use that approach. I still prefer using some hcg post cycle for maximum results. Why don't you just continue using HCG at lower dosages for 2-3 weeks post cycle? That protocol would make it more affordable! I wanna do just hcg if I can but after the cycle when the dosages are way higher it gets really pricey, it would cost 115$/5000 iu's hcg for me which ends up being a lot when you use over 2000 iu's per day or around there plus on cycle. Thanks I really appreciate it!

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[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Dtrain17;6089306]Hey thanks for answering my questions, you didn't say anything about this "Dell" drug but I never heard of it also so idk. The only DELL I know of is a computer so whatever it is you are talking about I would steer clear if it lowers blood presure! Anyways I wanted to know being an ectomorph, if I should seperate carbs and fats at all, apparently if you do that it allows you to kind of eat more calories? Slow burning carbohydrates are your best friend being an ectomorph because they slowly convert to sugar-hence keeping your appetite good all day long. On the other hands healthy fats are also very important because they contain over twice as many calories per gram than any other macronutrient. You already know protein is important but many ectomorphs find they can only eat around 1 gram per pound of body weight in order to stomach enough carbohydrates to put on weight. Remember, protein bloats you up and lowers appetite! Also, the thermic effect of protein can actually further speed up your metabolism. Try and get most of your calories from from healthy carbohydrates and add in healthy fats from there as needed to help gain weight. Having a high carb and fat meal combo for breakfast and before bed time will help you gain weight, especially before going to bed! If you still have trouble gaining weight add fats to your lunch to boost caloric intake. Other than that focus on clean carbs to keep appetite high and of course keep protein between 1-1.5 grmas per pound of BW depending on what you can stomach.. /QUOTE]above

[Judah]

If I'm not comfortable being constantly "on", what's the best way to keep my gains after ceasing the following cycle:

500mg a week of Test-E along with 800mg a week of Primo for 10 weeks.

Should I shorten my cycle from 10 weeks to 8 weeks?

[Ronnie Rowland]

If I'm not comfortable being constantly "on", what's the best way to keep my gains after ceasing the following cycle:

500mg a week of Test-E along with 800mg a week of Primo for 10 weeks.

Should I shorten my cycle from 10 weeks to 8 weeks ? I would keep the test/primo cycle at an 8 week reload then do a 2 week deload using only 200 mgs of test-e weekly. Following the deload do a full pct using hcg at 2500 ius eod for 3 weeks. Keep up a good diet and training program and you will maintain as much as you possibly can.There's not anything else you can do other than go on HRT permanetly when off cycle.

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[mockery]

with the 20 week method of STS

week 1-8 600mg test 400 mast
week 9-10 300mg test 200 mast
week 11-18 750mg test? 600 mast
week 19-20 300mg test? 0 mast?

still torn between winny and anavar , anavar at the price is expensive but id prefer to run var over Winny. and conflicting stories on how long you can run both compounds. not sure if STS is oral friendly, but id like to run the var at 60-80 mg a day. this is my 5th cycle but i haven't cycled in 3 years. This is for lean body recomp not so much a "cutter"

thanks in advance and ill wait patiently for your opinion.

[Ronnie Rowland]

with the 20 week method of sts

week 1-8 600mg test 400 mast
week 9-10 300mg test 200 mast
week 11-18 750mg test? 600 mast increase test to 1 gram weekly..everything else looks great!week 19-20 300mg test? 0 mast?

Still torn between winny and anavar , anavar at the price is expensive but id prefer to run var over winny. And conflicting stories on how long you can run both compounds. Not sure if sts is oral friendly, but id like to run the var at 60-80 mg a day. Yes you can use orals with STS! This is my 5th cycle but i haven't cycled in 3 years. This is for lean body recomp not so much a "cutter" [B]winstrol is somewhat more effective than anavar but i personally would go with anavar because it's more user friendly on the joints. Combining masteron and winstrol will really dry out your joints and cause pain for many. I would not use masteron and winstrol without using some deca to help counteract joint pain. A test/mast/var combo is great for getting shredded! [/b]

thanks in advance and ill wait patiently for your opinion.

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[Yellow]

Ron,

If you were me and had only 2 carbs meals in low-carb day, what would you choose for the best time? The workout time is in the evening after finishing work at office (around 6 PM).
Breakfast and Post-Workout? or Breakfast and Pre-Workout?

[The Titan99]

Ron,

If you were me and had only 2 carbs meals in low-carb day, what would you choose for the best time? The workout time is in the evening after finishing work at office (around 6 PM).
Breakfast and Post-Workout? or Breakfast and Pre-Workout?

I'm interested here too Ron. I always assumed to put the both in the morning.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Ron,

If you were me and had only 2 carbs meals in low-carb day, what would you choose for the best time? The workout time is in the evening after finishing work at office (around 6 PM).
Breakfast and Post-Workout? or Breakfast and Pre-Workout? Breakfast and pre-workout would be better and add in a few fats pre-workout to keep from running out of energy..By not taking in carbs post-workout you will lose even more body fat!

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[Yellow]

Ron,

If you were me and had only 2 carbs meals in low-carb day, what would you choose for the best time? The workout time is in the evening after finishing work at office (around 6 PM).
Breakfast and Post-Workout? or Breakfast and Pre-Workout? Breakfast and pre-workout would be better and add in a few fats pre-workout to keep from running out of energy..By not taking in carbs post-workout you will lose even more body fat!

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That's great, Big Ron..
I'll do as what you said.

My usual schedule is I workout at 6 PM in the evening (after finishing work at office). I train for 1 hour and do low-moderate intensity cardio (120-130BPM) for 25-30 minutes then post-workout at 7.30 PM I have 50 gram protein from good quality whey protein isolate.
Then 45-60 minutes later (about 8:15 PM), I have a dinner consists of 9 oz of boneless chicken breast + 1 cup of steamed broccoli + 1 tablespoon of extra virgin olive oil (since you recommend taking out carb post-workout).
My last meal of the day is at 11 PM which consists of 1 scoop of whey protein isolate + 1 cup egg whites + 1 whole egg + 1 tablespoon of peanut butter.
Right after finishing meal, I go to bed at 11.15 PM

My concern is does the fat content of last 2 meals at night affect the GH release & blunt the GH?
How does it compared to if I incorporate carbs at dinner (2 slices of whole wheat bread) but removing the extra virgin olive oil?

[Ronnie Rowland]

That's great, Big Ron..
I'll do as what you said.

My usual schedule is I workout at 6 PM in the evening (after finishing work at office). I train for 1 hour and do low-moderate intensity cardio (120-130BPM) for 25-30 minutes then post-workout at 7.30 PM I have 50 gram protein from good quality whey protein isolate.
Then 45-60 minutes later (about 8:15 PM), I have a dinner consists of 9 oz of boneless chicken breast + 1 cup of steamed broccoli + 1 tablespoon of extra virgin olive oil (since you recommend taking out carb post-workout).
My last meal of the day is at 11 PM which consists of 1 scoop of whey protein isolate + 1 cup egg whites + 1 whole egg + 1 tablespoon of peanut butter.
Right after finishing meal, I go to bed at 11.15 PM

My concern is does the fat content of last 2 meals at night affect the GH release & blunt the GH? Fats do not blunt the release of GH at night only carbs can do that some at night. Also do not drink whole eggs raw beause they are not pasteurized. Only liquid egg whites are safe to consume uncooked! How does it compared to if I incorporate carbs at dinner (2 slices of whole wheat bread) but removing the extra virgin olive oil? This is a very good question and it really just depends on your body type. Some actually do better on the carbs at dinner while others do better with fats. Give it a try both ways and see where you stand.

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[Yellow]

That's great, Big Ron..
I'll do as what you said.

My usual schedule is I workout at 6 PM in the evening (after finishing work at office). I train for 1 hour and do low-moderate intensity cardio (120-130BPM) for 25-30 minutes then post-workout at 7.30 PM I have 50 gram protein from good quality whey protein isolate.
Then 45-60 minutes later (about 8:15 PM), I have a dinner consists of 9 oz of boneless chicken breast + 1 cup of steamed broccoli + 1 tablespoon of extra virgin olive oil (since you recommend taking out carb post-workout).
My last meal of the day is at 11 PM which consists of 1 scoop of whey protein isolate + 1 cup egg whites + 1 whole egg + 1 tablespoon of peanut butter.
Right after finishing meal, I go to bed at 11.15 PM

My concern is does the fat content of last 2 meals at night affect the GH release & blunt the GH? Fats do not blunt the release of GH at night only carbs can do that some at night. Also do not drink whole eggs raw beause they are not pasteurized. Only liquid egg whites are safe to consume uncooked! How does it compared to if I incorporate carbs at dinner (2 slices of whole wheat bread) but removing the extra virgin olive oil? This is a very good question and it really just depends on your body type. Some actually do better on the carbs at dinner while others do better with fats. Give it a try both ways and see where you stand.

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No, I don't take both egg whites & whole eggs raw, Ron.. I mix 1 cup of egg whites and 1 whole egg in a bowl and beat them.. Then I lightly cook them in a frying pan (not overcooked).

I am an ecto-endo type person.
If my dinner at 8.15 PM (it's about 45-60 minutes post workout) consists of 9 oz of boneless chicken breast + 1 cup of steamed broccoli + 2 slices of whole wheat bread (substituting the extra virgin olive oil with whole wheat bread), Do you think it blunts the release of GH at night, since I go to bed at 11.15 PM?
But my last meal of the day at 11.00 PM just consists of protein & fats (1 scoop of whey protein isolate + 1 cup egg whites + 1 whole egg + 1 tablespoon of peanut butter).

[frsttmer]

When doing the Deload is it ok to just do 1 shot of test a week for the 2 weeks,
As in
Deload
Week 1- 250mg( 1 shot)
Week 2- 250mg (1shot)

Or
Week 1- 125mg twice a week
Week 2- 125mg twice a week
Testosterone enanthate

[Ronnie Rowland]

when doing the deload is it ok to just do 1 shot of test a week for the 2 weeks,
as in
deload
week 1- 250mg( 1 shot) <do this version!
week 2- 250mg (1shot)

or
week 1- 125mg twice a week
week 2- 125mg twice a week
testosterone enanthate

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[frsttmer]

Awesome man, I'm in my first Deload now, and I'm pretty pumped about this. I already did the 250 in one shot, 1 more to go and then I reload. Which I am also pumped about.
Just wanted to make sure I made the right choice
Thx for the reply!

[600@50]

Hey Ronnie. I was rereading the first part of the Slingshot method and have a question on actual workouts. I'm a powerlifter and would like to know your opinion on the Westside Louis Simmons method of training. Specifically the 1 max effort workout and the 1 speed day workout per week for each lift. What are your thoughts on the multiple short rest 45-90 seconds between sets on speed day? Is this beneficial or too short of a rest period. Also Westside basically maxs out on some movement each week. Not necessarily the lift itself but something that is supposed to benefit the lift. It may be inclines or weighted dips for the bench press or just a max set of 6, 8 or 10 reps. Thanks man.

[Dtrain17]

Is there a big difference in having dextrose vs just gatorade for pwo?
Also a guy told me if you take "Dell" it can lower blood pressure if it increases on cycle or if you already have high BP, is this good or is there a different thing I should use? Thanks!