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    Quote Originally Posted by gbrice75 View Post
    When you think about the pathways/precursors that ultimately lead to testosterone, it makes sense. Fat > Cholesterol > Pregnenolone > DHEA > Testosterone. I know I left a couple out, e.g. prog, etc. but for the purpose of this discussion this example should be sufficient.

    Having said that, I wouldn't recommend people jump onto a diet that has them getting 30% of daily calories from fats. For one, we're all different, and both 15% and 30% are arbitrary numbers. Second, we have to bear in mind that fat is still most likely (or better put, most readily) stored as bodyfat. Point being - there is a fine balance that each individual needs to find for his/herself.
    Yes but people are not finding out what works for them, there seems to be a fanboi mentality of this board lately that fats are bad and fat makes you fat, and as u said fat is stored as fat. Its using the right fats at the right times to have proper delivery of fats to help promote test production and weight loss. Every post in the past 5 weeks on lean bulking seems to be like "WATCH OUT BROTHER , DONT EAT FATS." Yes ask any good body builder on his show prep, butter, fish oil and other animal fats are consumed in large amounts.

    Its painful to see this forum is going into teh direction of just use more gear to look jacked, dont eat fat just have massive carb refeeds and you will be swole and the idea that everyone has a very high LBM but refuse to get proper tested to take in account , brain, bone density and organ mass. so their rmr is way off for finding true tdee. Is a generation of gear use for aesthetics and goggling diet plans. Heck how many board members are using UD2.0 that are 12-18% body fat when they could easily lose the weight with a simpler approach and then they stall when they get sub 11% and dont get me started on the whole " bro im losing fat weight only and no muscle mass , im so jacked" then they say they are losing 3-4lbs a week. When even the most amateur bodybuilder knows to avoid mass loss you have to go at it slow .5-1lb a week deficit or its defiantly muscle mass you are losing. hence 12-16 week cuts , and some hard gainers is 20--22 week cuts.

    thread hijack!

    but everyone looks up to you guys , a bit too much they dont even learn what they need to eat or what their actual requirements are. If gbruce or 405 said i have to eat 2400 calories that's what im gonna eat! its painful to read threads in the diet forum lately.

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    damn bud!

    you are really taking this to the extreme. i am glad that you are posting all of this for others to see that everyone works differently and that there is no one diet out there for everyone.

    are you still using peptides?

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    Hey cajun thx dude.. Yes still on peps , non training days i do pre cardio and pre bed, training days pwo and pre bed..

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    Looking fantastic 405!

    How many days/week do you train/eat at maintenance?

    It doesn't look like you've gained any BF. Awesome work!

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    ^^ thx twitz

    As far as how many days i eat at maintenance.. The answer: none! And everyday all at the same time!

    Since i cycle carbs and by default calories my "maintenance" intake is more an average of cals consumed over a week as opposed to over a 24hr period.. This enables me to have a lot of freedom in my diet while staying lean.

    I owe a LOT of this to fasting. I fast EOD.. All day from waking til usually 1900.. These days are also where i do my cardio.

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    Holy crap.. Talk about solid! Nice work

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soar View Post
    Holy crap.. Talk about solid! Nice work
    Thx pal!

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    Great work mate!.......you know your body very well now and it shows.......you can now enjoy the foods you like while maintaining a great body, for me that is the ultimate goal! well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by energizer bunny View Post
    Great work mate!.......you know your body very well now and it shows.......you can now enjoy the foods you like while maintaining a great body, for me that is the ultimate goal! well done.
    yeh thx EB.. it is good to know ur body.. i am still learning! the longer we do this the better we get!

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    ^^ what he said!

    also i hit a PR today on deads: 415lbs x 3 (yes!) pretty happy with that, went up 50lbs from my previous 365 x 5.. i suspect i could probably add at least another 30lbs, maybe 50lbs for a 1 rep max of 445-465.. ill save it for another day. id also like to note this was at the end of my workout after doing some pretty heavy rows and shoulder presses and lawnmowers (or whatever u call em)..

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    Quote Originally Posted by --->>405<<--- View Post
    ^^ what he said!

    also i hit a PR today on deads: 415lbs x 3 (yes!) pretty happy with that, went up 50lbs from my previous 365 x 5.. i suspect i could probably add at least another 30lbs, maybe 50lbs for a 1 rep max of 445-465.. ill save it for another day. id also like to note this was at the end of my workout after doing some pretty heavy rows and shoulder presses and lawnmowers (or whatever u call em)..
    Congrats! Glad to know there's one lift I'm currently beating you in. I don't feel like a dick saying this since I can't touch your squat, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbrice75 View Post
    Congrats! Glad to know there's one lift I'm currently beating you in. I don't feel like a dick saying this since I can't touch your squat, lol.
    LOL.. yeh i have not been very aggressive with this lift as i feel it carries the most risk. what is ur PR dead BTW? (target) LOL..

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    Quote Originally Posted by --->>405<<--- View Post
    LOL.. yeh i have not been very aggressive with this lift as i feel it carries the most risk. what is ur PR dead BTW? (target) LOL..
    I've never specifically gone for PR for either reps or 1RM, but my best to date was 435 x 7. Next goal would be 495 x 5... but I won't even attempt it until I start 'bulking' again later this fall. Ain't gonna happen while I'm cutting, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by --->>405<<---
    ^^ what he said!

    also i hit a PR today on deads: 415lbs x 3 (yes!) pretty happy with that, went up 50lbs from my previous 365 x 5.. i suspect i could probably add at least another 30lbs, maybe 50lbs for a 1 rep max of 445-465.. ill save it for another day. id also like to note this was at the end of my workout after doing some pretty heavy rows and shoulder presses and lawnmowers (or whatever u call em)..
    Awesome!

    Now you just need to get what you set out to do, bench 405!

    Great work man

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00ragincajun00 View Post
    Awesome!

    Now you just need to get what you set out to do, bench 405!

    Great work man
    LOL.. ur rite! i hope to maybe achieve this when i bulk starting in june/july. i plan to run 2 bulks between now and this time next year. i suspect i will get it during one of these times..

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    Well this is week 5 of maintenance and i think my body has finally adjusted fully to the increase of carbs and cals. I have lost some water and appear leaner than when i finished my cut!

    I am very happy with my current metabolic state as being able to eat 1500-1800cals one day and 4500-5000cals the next and maintain 10% bf is freaking awesome! I dont know how much of this is being helped by the peptides and carnitine but im not gonna concern myself with this.

    Until this point maintenance for me has not gone well. As a matter of fact it has always turned into a mini bulk of sorts because i was gaining weight anyways and didnt feel like dealing with reducing cals afer having come off a cut. I was hungry!

    Im thinking maybe my body has made some (hopefully) permanent metabolic/nutrient partitioning shifts toward the positive side as a result of optimal hormone levels over the last yr and a half plus consistent good diet and exercise. I was a bit uneasy as to how i would do with maintenance this time and feel very pleased with the amount of food and freedom of choice i have and also feel very in control of my body composition, a trait i have never possessed until now!

    I must say im in the best shape of my life at 38yrs old and hope to continue to improve. Just today i decided to do a 5 mile run for cardio and it was no problem. It wasnt even uncomfortable in the least. My heart and cardiovascular system must be very fit because i could pretty much run with my mouth shut if i wanted to and breathe out of my nose. My pace was about 8:30(ish) per mile so i wasnt crawling either. Very relaxed..

    I also owe a lot of my dietary freedom to fasting which i have mentioned a good bit on here. Anyone that wants to try it i highly recommend it! I can say nothing but good things about it. The freedom it affords me in being able to eat poor (but tasty choices) without gaining fat plus the size meals i get to eat now is just fabulous!!

    That is all for now.. I will probably get my wife to take some pics of me one of these days with her camera as the self taking phone pics dont do me justice..

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    Het 405 what r petidies and carnitine ? Jw

    Also when u fast ur eating nothing not even veggies? What do u usally eat after ur fast? Thanks

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    carnitine and peptides both can be used to burn more fat than u could burn without them. i suggest u google it!

    the carnitine i use is injectable (IM) and to maintain saturation use 6mL per week split into 2 x 3mL injections. it must be timed with 75-100g mostly high GI carbs to shuttle the carnitine past the blood brain barrier by utilizing endogenous insulin released as a result of the large carb consumption. be sure not to ingest any fats or proteins immediately with the carbs..

    the peptides i use are GHRP-2 and MOD GRF (1-29)

    they are growth hormone releasing secretagogues that when injected sub q cause an endogenous growth hormone pulse. they also release ffa's into the blood for oxidation..

    do some research...

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    ok it only [artially worked??

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    ok lets see if this image shack thing works for me and i am not actually an idiot!

    this is how i break my fast: big salad + teriyaki beef, peppers, onion.. yes
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    I remember reading this when you first started about 2 years ago and you're still going. Love checking in and seeing what you are up to time from time, always something new!

    and I see a mountain dew in your fast breaking!

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    one final note here (well not final but u know wat i mean).. i am taking the next 2 days completely off! my body is telling me it needs a break and im listening to it! u know since october i have been on an EOD protocol or [1. cardio/fast, 2. cardio/fast, 3. train... REPEAT] protocol.. well since october i bet u i have not taken 5 days off! literally! i either do cardio or lift everyday.. i know for sure i took 2 rest days for christmas and thxgiving and one other rest day and thats all i can remember.. that makes 3.. well call 2 additional ive forgotten so 5 days off in 5.5 months.. this makes my first sentence in this post a little more clear to yall im hoping!

    my groin on both sides is tender as a MOFO from racing some younger taller guy yesterday on the last 1/4 mile of my fasted 5 mile run.. LOL.. i guess im getting old.. for those of u who are wonderiing we tied but i did have to slow down because i was spent.. i pushed my legs as hard as i could and they just wouldnt go any harder. had they been fresh i wouldve won.. whats funny is i came up beside him and neither of us looked at the other and both just started running faster and faster LOL until we were full on sprinting.. he was prob 22-23years old and prob 6'2" and i doubt he was on the tail end of mile 5..

    my poor groin.. i must be getting older! so in any event i am taking tomorrow and saturday off from working out but i will be fasting both days..

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    ^^ JB wat up dude! thx for stopping by ur always welcome!

    yeh the diet dew man gotta love it!

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    2 day fast! thats pretty hardcore!.......what if anything do you consume on these 48 hour fasts?............obviuoslytons of water but what else? coffe? green veg?

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    Quote Originally Posted by energizer bunny View Post
    2 day fast! thats pretty hardcore!.......what if anything do you consume on these 48 hour fasts?............obviuoslytons of water but what else? coffe? green veg?
    its not a 48hr fast.. its about 21-24 hr fast .. 2 days in a row..

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    Quote Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

    its not a 48hr fast.. its about 21-24 hr fast .. 2 days in a row..
    What's up with the fast 405??? Is this for an ultra fasted cardio?? Could you elaborate I haven't been following your log very closely lately.... I've started posting on mine again... Come check in man; I started it bc of seeing yours... The accountability factor really keeps you on point

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    405, im lookin around on google or amazon for a body fat reader. I'm not very handy with calipers and I've been meaning to by one of these electric ones. I know you recommended one on here, just can't seem to find it.

    There is a bunch on amazon but I dont want to get a crummy one

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    bioimpedance IMO is a waste of money. ud do better to just take tape measurements and use the mirror and photos to track progress. if u want to find out an accurate BF% go to a bod pod or get a dxa scan..

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    Fyi guys im doing cardio here in a minute.. I just couldnt bring myself to take the day completely off!

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    405. Do u use cutting supplements like phen for ex?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GirlyGymRat View Post
    405. Do u use cutting supplements like phen for ex?
    the only thing i have used is: ECA, L-Carnitine, peptides..

    currently im on L Car and peps.. may run some ECA leading up to this cruise.. down the road when i grow up ill run T3.. that ll me next year..

    in reality i havent seen anything work better than a good properly run carb cycle and cardio coupled with alternate day fasting

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    Just stopped in to check on you. Nice work!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by slfmade View Post
    Just stopped in to check on you. Nice work!!!!!
    Hey dude!! Look wat the cat dragged in! hope ur doing well man.. Thx for stoppn by and try to come around more often dude.. Say hey to browngirl for me

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    ^^^ yeh ill come chek urs out

    Fasting is part of semi new protocol im doing to stay relatively lean with more dietary freedom

    Legs: SOB..
    Warm up squat:
    135 x 10
    225 x 7
    315 x 5
    405 x 3
    405 x 9 drop set 315 x 15 drop set 225 x 20 ( MOFO SOB!!)

    Superset squAt with triple drop set leg extension.. Them strait to leg curl same thing..

    Then repeat one more time!!

    Also did some calves.. Planned on maybe abs but gonna pass. Im thru dude. Forget about even considering cardio. Drop sets to failure are where its at if u have no workout partner like me (i prefer this) ..

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    I know you like the UD2.0 diet... ive just read the book! excellent read and very interesting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by -KJ- View Post
    I know you like the UD2.0 diet... ive just read the book! excellent read and very interesting!
    yes it was. i suggest u read stubborn fat solution!

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    ill try get my hands on it... have you implemented UD2? i know you carb cycle but the training behind it also

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    Quote Originally Posted by -KJ- View Post
    ill try get my hands on it... have you implemented UD2? i know you carb cycle but the training behind it also
    yeh i ran the whole thing for like shoot 8 weeks or so back in feb-april (ish) 2012

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    Quote Originally Posted by --->>405<<--- View Post
    yeh i ran the whole thing for like shoot 8 weeks or so back in feb-april (ish) 2012
    Ill look back.. would like to see beginning/end stats and results cheers 405!

    Also looking at regular carb cycling

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