I am thinking about including both of them in my next cycle. I knwo that can lead to a lot of progesterone, but it seems that the two drugs together could have some very desirable effects on strength and mass. If I do, I will run it with plenty of B6 and maybe throw some winny in too to prevent prg. gyno (if you think that would help). Any of you guys ever run the two together? If so what kind of results did it yield? I will run it with test of course. THanks