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    Exclamation Need some serious advice

    Hers is the deal. i want to cut up and lose about 5 % body fat while putting on some good muscle. I know i need a test and i was thinking either prop or test e. I just dont know what other compounds to use. I heard clen and t3, but clean has some nasty sides. i really dont want to look like a zombie from sleepong 2 hrs a night and shaking like i have parkasins disease either.. I want to gain some muscle because my last cycle of eq and test e left me smaller than i was before, it was just too long for me to handle 16 weeks all together and it was doomed from the start. i just need a cycle that will help me cut up and gain some muscle in the process.. im 6'3 187lbs and between 13-16 % bf and 20 years old. i want to be around 9 or 10 % or lower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokdogg14
    Hers is the deal. i want to cut up and lose about 5 % body fat while putting on some good muscle. I know i need a test and i was thinking either prop or test e. I just dont know what other compounds to use. I heard clen and t3, but clean has some nasty sides. i really dont want to look like a zombie from sleepong 2 hrs a night and shaking like i have parkasins disease either.. I want to gain some muscle because my last cycle of eq and test e left me smaller than i was before, it was just too long for me to handle 16 weeks all together and it was doomed from the start. i just need a cycle that will help me cut up and gain some muscle in the process.. im 6'3 187lbs and between 13-16 % bf and 20 years old. i want to be around 9 or 10 % or lower. i also need some diet help. i was thinking 1-1.5 grams of protein and cut my carbs while i do cardio and play hockey..
    There is a forum devoted to nothing but diet and it has really good info. As to what kind of cycle you should run for what your after, I think I will let someone else answer. I am curious though as to how did you end up being smaller than you were when you started after a 16 week cycle of eq and test e?

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    exactly what i wanna know...and thank you for telling me there is a forum devoted for diet questions.. you have shown me the way and forgive me for my mistake

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokdogg14
    exactly what i wanna know...and thank you for telling me there is a forum devoted for diet questions.. you have shown me the way and forgive me for my mistake
    Hey anyone can make a mistake. I forgive you

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    you definitely need to concentrate on your diet if you want to cut. check out the diet forum and you'll learn a lot. as far as the clen, my experience is that its not going to interfere at all with your sleep as long as you take it by 2pm or so.

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    ok i understand about the diet forum. , but i thought this was a steroid forum. I just want to know what co,pounds are better than others for cutting and gaining muscle. i heard prop and winny were good to gether and i heard that clen and t4 is good

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    i'm taking prop and tren together and love it. i'm definitely on the tren bandwagon. i love the stuff.

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    cutting and bulking at the same time wont happen. Do u want to shed fat or gain 15lbs? Or do you just want 5 or maybe 10lbs of lean muscle?

    Depending on what you want is how your diet will hafta be set up. Once you have your diet set - you can then choose which steroids you'd like to take. Im not sure what to tell you here since a 16 week test E/EQ cycle made you lose weight.

    Im also a tren fan but if your looking to add some weight idunno if i'd use it. I mean - you lost weight with EQ...... tren may only be worse. The only thing i can think of was your diet wasn't properly constructed. Maybe the cal's were too low.

    Anyways - you should be able to gain lean mass with prop/tren but you hafta have a diet that works and self control to stay witht he diet. Otherwise - fuhgedaboudit

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