These seem to be 2 camps on AR. Those who think the toxicity of orals is overhyped and those who think it is understated.

My searches have not found any posts that document toxicity with studies showing elevated liver values correlated with oral cycles.

Anyone have something definitive that would lead us to a conclusion like - "you can do Halo @40ED for no more than 5 weeks" .. or .. "Dbol should only be run 4 weeks"

Bottom line - where did these rules of thumb for oral cycles thumb come from?