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Cycle:
wk 1-10 500mg Sustanon (250mg twice a week)
wk 1-10 300mg QV Deca (One shot a week)
wk 2-10 30mg QV Anavar (ED)
wk 1-10 20mg Nolvadex (ED)
wk 1-10 1.5mg Letrozole (EOD)
PCT: (3 weeks after last Sust/Deca shot)
day 1- 300mg clomid 20mg nolva
day 2-10 100mg clomid ED 20mg nolva ED
day 11-21 50mg clomid ED 20mg nolva ED
how does this look? should I run letrozole in pct as well?
Give me your feedback.
Thanks!
VET Retired
On cycle drop the nolva to 10mg ed. PCT 10-20mg.
Letro in PCT as well. (helps beef up natty test production)
Banned
Why you shooting Sust 2X week? Shoot ED or EOD.
Slinabolic Vet / Retired
I agree, and shoot the deca twice EW.... 150mg in each shotOriginally Posted by Stout1
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bah, myth... its an engineered test blend.. eod is bah... people need to understand how testosterone works in your body... sust eod is rather pointless...
VET Retired
Sust was designed to give stable blood levels for up to 4 wks. You're only taking into account the prop what about the phenlyprop and others?
Slinabolic Vet / Retired
Here we go again....
can you please tell me how test works?
Slinabolic Vet / Retired
then why waste your time with sust...
want me to post the blood graphs again?
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...anyhow I suppose I'll get great gains... as many others have shooting sust one time a week... same with deca.
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I am not a professional.. however my trainer who has his Master's Degree in Exercise Science, and also his PES from NASM and countless other certifications.. he is a pretty smart guy - he is also a body builder of 17 years... he is about 5'9'' 236 lbs 6-8%bf... what he tells me.. I tend to believe.. being that he has a lot of experience...
Slinabolic Vet / Retired
He has learned the old school way.... I think that not looking at the whole picture is not a good thing. You posted your cycle up for opinions. We gave them to you, then you told us we are wrong b/c your trianer says its ok... whatever. I know I have seen enough graphs and had my own experiences with this crap. Do whatever you want. I was merly trying to help... oh and 30mg of var is a waste IMO... but what do I know...
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from personal experience, sustanon works better when shot eod.
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I do appreciate your opinions very much.. and perhaps I'll try shooting EOD for a total of 500mg a week... and see how it goes, from my own experience. So thank you. No disrespect intended.
Banned
Then why even shoot sustanon? Just stick to Test E or Cyp.
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Explain to me this line of thinking.
Slinabolic Vet / Retired
Hey no problem
Here is a blood level graph of sust. THere is a large difference of 250 even mon wed fri, compared to ED... EOD would be a little choppier...
Oh I think the ED injects were 125 ED... I think
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The reason you are getting gains is b/c you are using gear. JUst because you are gettting gains doesnt mean you are doing it safe or correctly.
Look at it like this:
Hey I can shoot Test at 2 grams one week. 500mg the next. 1 gram the next. THen not any for a week and then back at 2 grams. I sure i will be gaining like a mad man. Does that mean its right?
Last edited by Stout1; 01-16-2005 at 07:25 PM.
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then why take somthing that 30mg of is going to be basically wasted? I love when people explain themselves by saying i grew well off sust 1 or 2 times a week thats my reasoning for it not being needed to shoot eod. Well guess what your obviously going to grow but your wasting about 60mg of it from the prop!
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I suppose if I were to shoot 250mg Sust on Monday and Thursday
and Deca 150mg Monday and Thursday my levels would be more stable than once a week, but not as stable as ED or EOD...
Slinabolic Vet / Retired
Well if you want to get deca stable E3D is great.... So might as well use test enanthate because that too gives great levels at E3D...
Which is what you are doing with sust shooting it twice a week... but it has prop, phenalprop (sp?) and undeconate(sp?)... so the half lives of those are way different.... PITA in my opinion....
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call me dumb but what is PITA?
Slinabolic Vet / Retired
Pain In The Ass...
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..shots... literally.. hah
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They're right... sustanon has two test esters that are OUT of the body in 2-3 days. Injecting ED or EOD will keep these levels more stable and consistent... BUT even with that, the MG's are still going to be too low with only 500 a week.
I'm sure you know how propionate works, the other short acting ester is phenlyprop which both are only active for 1-2 days. At a dose of 500mg a week, you're going to be getting a dose of roughly 30mg of prop every 3 days. I wouldnt even inject prop at 30mg ever day, let alone every 3 days. Now, we havent even mentioned the phenlyprop yet, its the same situation there. You're basically going to be wasting the 2 of the 4 compounds.
Even if you do inject every day or every other day, the MG's are going to be so low, you'll either want to raise the overall weekly dosage, or add more propionate with the sustanon.
I ran sustanon this summer very successfully in a cutter... here is what it looked like
Weeks 1-10 Sustanon 700mg a week / 100mg ED
Weeks 1-10 Prop 525mg a week / 75mg ED
Weeks 10-12 Prop 700mg a week / 100mg ED
Week 13 -- PCT
I also had EQ in there
Thats how you run sustanon my friend
VET Retired
How are you wasting the prop? You inject, the prop gives rapid blood testo levels, when it starts to taper the phenprop takes over.
Hey Mr. Sparkle take your blood chart and shove it.
Before to got into steriod research, a friend of mine was going to the doc getting a polysterone (sust) shot E3W and got HUGE.
I guess we'll never agree on this one.
VET Retired
Nope E.C phenprop last way longer than that, high blood levels for 5 days.
Shall i pull out my blood chart?
Banned
If you say so... but the dose is still wayyyyy to low. I guess 30mg of prop is good huh?
Slinabolic Vet / Retired
Big--><--me
Thats for makin fun of my graphs.... jerk!
But I will say this.... will you grow? yeah, will you get hooooge.... I dont know your wasting gear with sust
your right though, we will never agree...
I say again single esters pwn j00!!!!!111111one
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don't be jelous because I've been chatting online with hot babes, aaaall day. Besides, we both know Im training to be a cage fighter...
Slinabolic Vet / Retired
why dont you come down here and see what happens when you try and hit me!?!
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"your mom went to college"
VET Retired
ha! ha! ha! Cat fight!
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If that is the case with SUS, how often should I be shootin my Test E?
Banned
2X a week or E3D
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"I Own You"
i think ur cycle is fine, duno y every1 has a prob with it, ive tried both sust every otha day and once a week, got gd gains on both, tho i cant realli compare results since i took anadrol on the latter cycle.
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