gyno so soon?!

[Bertz]

at the end of my 5th day of prop at 75mg ED
this is my first cycle

well my nips are looking a bit puffy... i always thought i had pueberty related gyno and now i def know its gyno after doing a search and looking at pictures...

is it possible to get gyno so soon?!

i have plenty of nolva... i was taking .5mg of armidix EOD, well that was the plan...

i just took 80mg of nolva and will continue to do so

my question is do i need letro or will the armidix work in place of it? should i keep going with the nolva at 80mg ED and start doing armidix .5mg ED? or should i buy some letro also and run it with the both of them?!

i dont want bitch tits!

[Bertz]

bump

ami banned or something? seems like everytime i post these past few days i get no response

[MatrixGuy]

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ami banned or something? seems like everytime i post these past few days i get no response

Your not banned bro, i think its something to do with having "gyno" in your thread title, as i posted a something similar and didnt get much feedback.
Having you been taking Nolva everyday since starting the prop? and at what dose? I would try .5mg of l-dex every day with the nolva. You could run some letro at 1.25mg every day, but that might kill your sex drive, but would def sort any issues of gyno out.

[dirtyvegas]

post a pic... ide do the arimidex, its supposed to kill the estrogen to basically nothing.take the nolva at 60-80mg/day untill symptoms subside.remember if you already have gyno they will not cure it just stop it from progressing any further.

[Bertz]

well would it be adviseable to run the letro instead of the armidix? is it better? or run it at the same time?

[boywonder10101]

I have a friend who got gyno on only one of his pecs the day after his first prop injection.

[Bertz]

that sucks

i hate this... im lookin pumped in the gym and my ****in nipples just kill it!

anyone?!?! is letro better than armidix...? should they be run together?

[nomore1324]

bro take arimidex thats what i hear does the job, especially with early small time gyno, most people ion this forum are all about letro, try arimidex see if that doesnt take care of it.

[Bertz]

well i did some research... letro is newer and far more effective, should have just gone iwth that and by the way here is a pic of my ugly fat nips

[mustangz]

i dont know much but that dont look like gyno.some poeple just have puffy nipples like yourself.imo

[thejuiceisloose]

well i did some research... letro is newer and far more effective, should have just gone iwth that and by the way here is a pic of my ugly fat nips

Well do your nips itch or are they sensitive to touch? What is your bf %?
Just a thought but it may just be fat, if your bf % is high

This is a pic of gyno....I dont think yours looks even remotely close to that

[Deezuhl]

Well do your nips itch or are they sensitive to touch? What is your bf %?
Just a thought but it may just be fat, if your bf % is high

This is a pic of gyno....I dont think yours looks even remotely close to that

that is an extreme case.. his can definitely be gyno.. i have a mild case but have asked 20 people i know if my chest looks odd or abnormal and they always say they it looks normal what am i talking about..

[MatrixGuy]

well i did some research... letro is newer and far more effective, should have just gone iwth that and by the way here is a pic of my ugly fat nips

I would say there was a slight case of gyno there IMHO ALTHOUGH it may just be fat. I would start running some letro at .5mg ED bro just to be safe.

[flabbywussy]

well would it be adviseable to run the letro instead of the armidix? is it better? or run it at the same time?

letro takes up to six weeks to fully "kick in" so get it now and start running it. also up the a-dex to 1mg /day until the itchyness goes away keep the nolva @ 80mg/day unless it's tamoxifen then run it @100mg/day (tamox is weaker then nolva) after six weeks if the symptoms persist stop the l-dex and continue with letro(keep the nolva @20mg) if the syptoms subside taper off the letro and continue nolva @20mg/day and a-dex @.5mg/day

[flabbywussy]

well i did some research... letro is newer and far more effective, should have just gone iwth that and by the way here is a pic of my ugly fat nips

if there's no soreness or itchyness and it doesn't look irritated around the nipple the it's not gyno.

you just look a little bloated to me.

just remember 2 weeks b4 every cycle start your nolva and l-dex so it's already concentrated in the blood. nolva takes about 2 weeks and letro almost 2 weeks in my experience

[The Baron]

Some homebrew prop can contain high levels of estrogen... speaking particularly of synovex prop.

If your nipples are suddenly sensitive, itchy, or painful, or if there are small lumps behind or around them, or if the nipples suddenly increase in size, you are looking at gyno, and you need to hit the nolva hard, right away. Meanwhile, start on an AI like arimidex or letro. Letro seems to knock my libido down harder than liquidex or arimidex but it is much more effective. Keep using the nolva... absolutely don't stop it until you have been on an AI for a month.

If it is gyno, then you know next time to start the nolva the same day you start your prop or other test. You can try running 20mg ED and if you are feeling brave, cut it back to 10mg but be ready to readjust the dosage appropriately.

[Angel of death]

That is not gyno at all. My nipps get EXACTLY like that on cycle and for a month or two after it, if theres no lump, theres no gyno. Its estrogen related fat storage.

[Bertz]

well fellas they are not itchy or sore, and there are no lumps... but they definately did swell in this past week. They have never been this large. I have asked people if they look funny but htey say they dont see anything, well i do.

I now know im sensative to gyno... i'll bump the nolva up to 100mg and start running the a-dex at 1mg ED till my letro comes in

I could get my BF down, im at about 14% right now...

[MCMARK]

my nips are really sensitive and even hurt alittle ,but only when they get hard from cold ect.. i keep wondering if im getting a little gyno or its in my head..to ur question i think from what i read the increase of nolva should do the trick..im only doing 10 nolva while on my gear but might up it to c if nips stop hurtin..gl

[kn0bbme]

i think i have a similar case. iposted pics and some people say it is gyno and others say it is not. imo i do have some gyno. and i believe that if your nipples have just recently gotten puffy than yes those are signs of gyno. i would get some letro and run it a 1.25 ed or evry other day and that should def get rid of it. otherwise run your nolva. as you are in the early stages of gyno (if indeed u have it) and i have read that upping the nolva for a few days will stop any further progression.

[flabbywussy]

i think i have a similar case. iposted pics and some people say it is gyno and others say it is not. imo i do have some gyno. and i believe that if your nipples have just recently gotten puffy than yes those are signs of gyno. i would get some letro and run it a 1.25 ed or evry other day and that should def get rid of it. otherwise run your nolva. as you are in the early stages of gyno (if indeed u have it) and i have read that upping the nolva for a few days will stop any further progression.

weren't you just a few days ago asking about gyno and letro and what not?

you know i think it's really funny when people just copy what other people say in other threads and credit it as thier own

[kn0bbme]

Flabwussy did give me advice and in no way did I want to take credit for his super genius knowledge that would make me a celebrity on this board. Next time I will not share any advice I have learned from others with anyone on this board without your permission. Don't let it go to your head and grow up I offered advice that I though he would like to hear.

[bignatt]

I would run nolva and ldex i dont like letro you can get an estrogen spike if you dont taper off properly and it has effects on libido

[flabbywussy]

Flabwussy did give me advice and in no way did I want to take credit for his super genius knowledge that would make me a celebrity on this board. Next time I will not share any advice I have learned from others with anyone on this board without your permission. Don't let it go to your head and grow up I offered advice that I though he would like to hear.

hey bro this is what you reply after i help you out when you post a thread about your gyno problem!? well then F@CK YOU !! YOU INCONSIDERATE B@STARD LAST TIME I HELP YOU ON ANY OF YOUR THREADS YOU F'IN JERKOFF! SO BASICALLY ALL YOU DID WAS TAKE MY INFO SPONGE IT UP AND THEN STAB ME IN THE BACK?! SO I WANT ALL THE OTHER MEMBERS TO SEE WHAT KIND OF PERSON YOU ARE.... ONCE YOU GET WHAT YOU WANT THEN U F@CK THE OTHER PERSON OFF HUH?if you think you're contributing to this site by passing around 2nd hand information from other members that you might not even know to be correct...WELL THEN YOU MY FRIEND ARE SADLY MISTAKEN AND A MORON


STICK TO ASKING QUESTIONS NEWB!, NOT ANSWERING THEM!

[flabbywussy]

i think i have a similar case. iposted pics and some people say it is gyno and others say it is not. imo i do have some gyno. and i believe that if your nipples have just recently gotten puffy than yes those are signs of gyno. i would get some letro and run it a 1.25 ed or evry other day and that should def get rid of it. otherwise run your nolva. as you are in the early stages of gyno (if indeed u have it) and i have read that upping the nolva for a few days will stop any further progression.

BY THE WAY YOU'RE WRONG PUFFY NIPS ARE NOT SIGNS OF GYNO

[Habanero]

well i did some research... letro is newer and far more effective, should have just gone iwth that and by the way here is a pic of my ugly fat nips

I don't think that is gyno. That is probably just your normal genetic disposition. Nipples come in all shapes and sizes. I know some days for some reason mine look kind of like yours and then the next day they are small and tight. Who knows.

[kn0bbme]

Does anyone else think that I pissed off flabwussy. I really stabbed you in the back by offering someone info that was offered to me. I must be a terrible person trying to help others with my newly acquired knoledge.

[Bertz]

I don't think that is gyno. That is probably just your normal genetic disposition. Nipples come in all shapes and sizes. I know some days for some reason mine look kind of like yours and then the next day they are small and tight. Who knows.

habanero it could be my genetic disposition but my nipples were never like this before, there just weird now... im getting used to it, i just hate not being able to wear tight shirts... gotta wait till my letro kicks in.

and fellas fellas... i appreciate all your input, no need to fight like this we're all just trying to learn more arent we?


but on another note... 8th day... my arm pump was amazing never had it like this before... up 7 pounds also... could be just water

[surfnsailor]

Flabwussy did give me advice and in no way did I want to take credit for his super genius knowledge that would make me a celebrity on this board. Next time I will not share any advice I have learned from others with anyone on this board without your permission. Don't let it go to your head and grow up I offered advice that I though he would like to hear.

Flabwussy does a great service, is this the way you repay him.

[flabbywussy]

Does anyone else think that I pissed off flabwussy. I really stabbed you in the back by offering someone info that was offered to me. I must be a terrible person trying to help others with my newly acquired knoledge.

you stabbed me in the back by telling me to grow up and being a sarcastic moron in your previous posts.

i was not saying you stabbed me in the back by passing along info that you heard from me.

the reason i'm upset is because you don't have enough knowledge and experience about the "gyno" topic to be giving other people advice even if you gather the information from a knowledgeable other member.

if you find information and studies from doctors then go right ahead and post it up, but to take information you gather from another member and take it as fact is just plain ignorant ,because i am not a doctor,nor a chemist and the information i give may not always be true to the "T". the information i give is from my first hand experience and may not always work with someone else.


so now that i have explained what you coudn't understand there should be no reason for any more of this pointless arguement.

thank you have a nice day

[flabbywussy]

Flabwussy does a great service, is this the way you repay him.

i'll remember to stay away from your posts in the future when you need help.

not a great way to start off making friends buddy

[Jtt23]

letro takes up to six weeks to fully "kick in" so get it now and start running it. also up the a-dex to 1mg /day until the itchyness goes away keep the nolva @ 80mg/day unless it's tamoxifen then run it @100mg/day (tamox is weaker then nolva) after six weeks if the symptoms persist stop the l-dex and continue with letro(keep the nolva @20mg) if the syptoms subside taper off the letro and continue nolva @20mg/day and a-dex @.5mg/day

Wait... Wait.. WHAT??? Nolvadex IS Tamoxifen Citrate correct???

Isn't that like saying that Winstrol is stronger then Stanozolol????

Or that Cialis is stronger then Tadalafil citrate??

I'm a little confused.....

[flabbywussy]

Wait... Wait.. WHAT??? Nolvadex IS Tamoxifen Citrate correct???

Isn't that like saying that Winstrol is stronger then Stanozolol????

Or that Cialis is stronger then Tadalafil citrate??

I'm a little confused.....

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...adex+tamoxifen

[kn0bbme]

i didnt want to start war but i didnt understand what you were saying when u had stated that i stabbed u in the back. u made it sound like u were pissed because i didnt appreciate your input to me sounded a little cocky...
whqatever its behind me
be good bro

[Bertz]

well fellas

i thought i had gyno then... my nips were just a little puffy

now my rip nip is twice the size of my left... i have a large lump about an inch above my nipple... is that normal for gyno? its very tender and sore

been doing 100mg of tamox past 2 days and been on letro 2.5mg ED for 2 weeks now... before i was just running 20mg of tamox ED...

i did a lot of hard drinking this past weekend, i visited home and all i did was drink... stupid i know i know


but god damn this sucks!

[CRUISECONTROL]

well fellas

i thought i had gyno then... my nips were just a little puffy

now my rip nip is twice the size of my left... i have a large lump about an inch above my nipple... is that normal for gyno? its very tender and sore

been doing 100mg of tamox past 2 days and been on letro 2.5mg ED for 2 weeks now... before i was just running 20mg of tamox ED...

i did a lot of hard drinking this past weekend, i visited home and all i did was drink... stupid i know i know


but god damn this sucks!

I know the feeling bro I've got a lump under my right nip and it hurts like hell
I didnt know I was prone to gyno and wasn't on tamox its definitly a buzz kill

[Bertz]

yea ti sucks... but its not under the nipple its above it... ever heard of it?

[bolin]

yes man that is gyno starting up....... take 80mg of nolva e/d till it clears up then take 20mg till end of pct...... (talking by experience)

[hellapimpin]

that sux dude..hope you get rid of it

[Bertz]

its starting to subside now...

but have you guys ever heard of lumps above the nipple... meaning higher up on your pec?