Tongkat Ali

[Papi93]

I purchased some Redkat from *************. Biotest claims that it takes a one month to feel the full effects from their product. I looking for the libido effects. I have been one for two weeks and it appears to be working already. My nuts are swole and my loads are bigger on my mamasita's face. I'm not sure if it's increasing my sex drive though. When did you guys experience the tongkat kicking in? It can be with a different brand. Thanks bros!

[305GUY]

well i've been taking a gram of 100:1 tongkat for about a week and dont feel shit. we'll see if i feel anything next week. Whats the ratio for the redkat?

and your username was striker b4 correct?

[Papi93]

well i've been taking a gram of 100:1 tongkat for about a week and dont feel shit. we'll see if i feel anything next week. Whats the ratio for the redkat?

and your username was striker b4 correct?

Another member said that he found the ratio to be 200:1. The supplement gurus find that hard to believe considering the cheap price I get it for. They say it is a quality product though.
I changed my username because I was feeling depressed seeing it. I had to drop martial arts so I could save money for my wedding and my future step-daughter. I chose the name that my mamasita calls my in the sack. It helps keep my spirits up.

[chest6]

stryker?

[Papi93]

stryker?

Yeah, it's me. ?Que pasa, Chest?

[BG]

Ya I just started tonkat a week ago, no go.

[Papi93]

Ya I just started tonkat a week ago, no go.

Many members claim it is the shit for libido. Many recommend its addition in PCT, as well. I thinking of getting some Arimidex and using it for 4 weeks to increase my test levels.

[305GUY]

Ya I just started tonkat a week ago, no go.

which tongkat are you using?

[305GUY]

Many members claim it is the shit for libido.

Yeah thats why i bought that damn thing. People talk about it like its soooo crazy!

I thinking of getting some Arimidex and using it for 4 weeks to increase my test levels.

Yeah Bryan keeps suggesting that and i'm thinking about it also. Let me know how it goes for u.

[Papi93]

Yeah thats why i bought that damn thing. People talk about it like its soooo crazy!



Yeah Bryan keeps suggesting that and i'm thinking about it also. Let me know how it goes for u.

He said it will double test levels. I'm thinking that libido will go along for the ride. Bryan, what's your opinion on this subject? Need your input, please.

[chest6]

Looks good to go to me, Im sure you will like the results of those two.

[Papi93]

Looks good to go to me, Im sure you will like the results of those two.

I just purchased Liquidex from AR-R. I will let you guys know how it goes.

[BG]

Many members claim it is the shit for libido. Many recommend its addition in PCT, as well. I thinking of getting some Arimidex and using it for 4 weeks to increase my test levels.

let me know how that turns out, could barely get it up for the girl the other night.

[BG]

which tongkat are you using?

Physician formulas 400 mg

[Papi93]

let me know how that turns out, could barely get it up for the girl the other night.

Me too. I was getting it on with my mamasita and it started to get soft whenever she rode . I guess that's what we get for playing chemists with our body . I also purchased some viagra because the cia wasn't all it was cracked up to be.

[Bryan2]

He said it will double test levels. I'm thinking that libido will go along for the ride. Bryan, what's your opinion on this subject? Need your input, please.

Dont qoute me on doubling test but it will deffenatley raise test levels for sure.

As far as libido (actually wanting to have sex more is person dependant)

tongat helps this department in actually wanting to have sex

I remember i oded thinking it was milk thistle once and took around 4-5 grams and DAM I had sex like 7 times that day

[RUI-Products]

Any more info guys

[Papi93]

Dont qoute me on doubling test but it will deffenatley raise test levels for sure.

As far as libido (actually wanting to have sex more is person dependant)

tongat helps this department in actually wanting to have sex

I remember i oded thinking it was milk thistle once and took around 4-5 grams and DAM I had sex like 7 times that day

Sorry about misquoting you. I should have worded it better. Just a little mentally tired from all the time I have spent on this site today. I was thinking if it raised test levels that your libido would go for the ride. Test injections raise your test levels above normal and you libido goes through the roof. I realize that arimidex will not raise it above high normal but you would think there would be a spike it test levels. How long is the active life of arimidex? I'm using 4 pills of Redkat five days per week. I'm not sure how many grams of tongkat I am getting. I guess I should go with the powder next time. Damn, Biotest not labeling their bottles properly .

[Papi93]

Any more info guys

[chest6]

Are you having this problem because of any cycles, did you just finish one papi (stryker) or what...

[Papi93]

Are you having this problem because of any cycles, did you just finish one papi (stryker) or what...

Yeah, I just finished PCT three weeks ago. My nuts are up to par but my libido hasn't returned to normal yet. It is coming back but I want it back now. My woman is a porn star in bed and I don't want to disappoint. She tells me sex is great but I don't want to take any chances. It's Papi because I don't deserve the username of striker anymore . Sorry about the confusion.

[BG]

Me too. I was getting it on with my mamasita and it started to get soft whenever she rode . I guess that's what we get for playing chemists with our body . I also purchased some viagra because the cia wasn't all it was cracked up to be.

I hear ya, going to get some trib., dont want to turn to viagra unless I have to.Thinking about my boys girlfriend helped a little(JK ), just started clomid so hope it was just a little down time after hcg.

[Bryan2]

Sorry about misquoting you. I should have worded it better. Just a little mentally tired from all the time I have spent on this site today. I was thinking if it raised test levels that your libido would go for the ride. Test injections raise your test levels above normal and you libido goes through the roof. I realize that arimidex will not raise it above high normal but you would think there would be a spike it test levels. How long is the active life of arimidex? I'm using 4 pills of Redkat five days per week. I'm not sure how many grams of tongkat I am getting. I guess I should go with the powder next time. Damn, Biotest not labeling their bottles properly .

Well it is person dependant because estrogen actually does play a role in libido as well. It all depends on the how the said persons body reacts to minimal estrogen when it comes to libido.

Ive seen some not be effected and some have been.

As far as how high your T levels can get they "can" get up to 400% of baseline but again its person dependant and the length of administration is another factor on if the levels will continue rising.

If you are more interested in ciontinueing to be anabolic and having more ease at building LBM then you would want to go with the ldex .......but you could be one of the ones effected negatively and libido could fall as well.


I recomend upping your dose of tongat until you start seeing libido raising effects.

GET A BLOOD TEST!!! this will be able to show you if you are infact recovered and if the lowered libido is acting through a case of lowered T levels

[Bryan2]

Any more info guys

If you are reffering to the AI method of raising test levels then here is a study you might want to see

Estrogen suppression in males: metabolic effects.

Mauras N, O'Brien KO, Klein KO, Hayes V.

Nemours Research Programs at the Nemours Children's Clinic, Jacksonville, Florida 32207, USA. [email protected]

We have shown that testosterone (T) deficiency per se is associated with marked catabolic effects on protein, calcium metabolism, and body composition in men independent of changes in GH or insulin-like growth factor I production. It is not clear,,however, whether estrogens have a major role in whole body anabolism in males. We investigated the metabolic effects of selective estrogen suppression in the male using a potent aromatase inhibitor, arimidex (Anastrozole). First, a dose-response study of 12 males (mean age, 16.1 +/- 0.3 yr) was conducted, and blood withdrawn at baseline and after 10 days of oral arimidex given as two different doses (either 0.5 or 1 mg) in random order with a 14-day washout in between. A sensitive estradiol (E2) assay showed an approximately 50% decrease in E2 concentrations with either of the two doses; hence, a 1-mg dose was selected for other studies. Subsequently, eight males (aged 15-22 yr; four adults and four late pubertal) had isotopic infusions of [(13)C]leucine and (42)Ca/(44)Ca, indirect calorimetry, dual energy x-ray absorptiometry, isokinetic dynamometry, and growth factors measurements performed before and after 10 weeks of daily doses of arimidex. Contrary to the effects of T withdrawal, there were no significant changes in body composition (body mass index, fat mass, and fat-free mass) after estrogen suppression or in rates of protein synthesis or degradation; carbohydrate, lipid, or protein oxidation; muscle strength; calcium kinetics; or bone growth factors concentrations. However, E2 concentrations decreased 48% (P = 0.006), with no significant change in mean and peak GH concentrations, but with an 18% decrease in plasma insulin-like growth factor I concentrations. There was a 58% increase in serum T (P = 0.0001), sex hormone-binding globulin did not change, whereas LH and FSH concentrations increased (P < 0.02, both). Serum bone markers, osteocalcin and bone alk****e phosphatase concentrations, and rates of bone calcium deposition and resorption did not change. In conclusion, these data suggest that in the male 1) estrogens do not contribute significantly to the changes in body composition and protein synthesis observed with changing androgen levels; 2) estrogen is a main regulator of the gonadal-pituitary feedback for the gonadotropin axis; and 3) this level of aromatase inhibition does not negatively impact either kinetically measured rates of bone calcium turnover or indirect markers of bone calcium turnover, at least in the short term. Further studies will provide valuable information on whether timed aromatase inhibition can be useful in increasing the height potential of pubertal boys with profound growth retardation without the confounding negative effects of gonadal androgen suppression.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial

PMID: 10902781 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[Disciple]

I say throw in some 6-0x0..I'm on it right now and its doin good things for the libido i must say you can get the androstentrione(sp?) powder cheaper from bulk ntrtion..also i was takin axis HT by bsn....that stuff is real good for me atleast but expensive as all heck......yohimbe products are good for keepin a good quality hard on .i say definitly try the yohimbe it is pretty cheap too....hope that helps

[Papi93]

Well it is person dependant because estrogen actually does play a role in libido as well. It all depends on the how the said persons body reacts to minimal estrogen when it comes to libido.

Ive seen some not be effected and some have been.

As far as how high your T levels can get they "can" get up to 400% of baseline but again its person dependant and the length of administration is another factor on if the levels will continue rising.

If you are more interested in ciontinueing to be anabolic and having more ease at building LBM then you would want to go with the ldex .......but you could be one of the ones effected negatively and libido could fall as well.


I recomend upping your dose of tongat until you start seeing libido raising effects.

GET A BLOOD TEST!!! this will be able to show you if you are infact recovered and if the lowered libido is acting through a case of lowered T levels

I'll increase my dose on tongkat. I think I will save my bottle of liquidex until my libido normalizes. Thanks for your help, Bryan.